The prosecution is overdoing it intentionally (as they should)
Anyone who has ever listened to testimony in these types of cases is hearing something markedly different than they usually hear out of law enforcement officers on the witness stand.
Chauvin will be convicted as a sacrificial lamb offered to restore faith in a completely broken policing system.
This is but one man. An entire system is guilty here, and will continue on as such. The other three might get some kind of probation.
You know police just killed a 13 year old boy in Chicago right? Rest In Peace Adam Toledo.
Well, by my understanding of Minnesota law (which isn't much), I believe he will be convicted of second degree manslaughter or third degree murder.
I believe it is likely the prosecution will convince jurors that George Floyd's death was caused by chauvin's negligence beyond a reasonable doubt.
that would meet the standard for second degree manslaughter.
I believe it will be quite a bit more difficult than this to convince jurors that Chauvin was operating with a "depraved mind", which would be necessary to find conviction for third degree murder.
personally, I don't believe it's really "possible" (mechanically) for an officer otherwise acting in good faith (as Chauvin will most certainly testify he was) to simultaneously be suffering from a depraved mind. It's kind of either-or. Testimony from witnesses (including first responders) who were actually pleading with chauvin as he was killing George Floyd may be enough to establish depraved mind? I don't know.
the only "out" I see for defense is to convince the jurors that while his actions may have indeed been negligent or against his training or laws or whatever, they did not cause George Floyd's death. FWIW I've probably only watched about 10% of this trial live so far.
"Depraved mind" is odd: MURDER 1N THE THIRD DEGREE—DEPRAVED MIND—DEFINED. Under Minnesota law, a person causing the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently. dangerous t0 others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, but without. intent to cause the death of any person, is guilty 0f murder in the third degree.
Basically, they'd have to prove that he knew it was wrong and was potentially deadly, he did it anyway, but really didn't mean to kill him.
The whole think is probably a turf war anyway. Bodega sells drugs with Chauvinism, Floyd steps on their pink, fake twenty appears out of nowhere, next thing you know, the whole country can't breathe. It's a sham(e)
>Today, a jury in Minneapolis did the right thing.
For almost a year, George Floyd’s death under the knee of a police officer has reverberated around the world — inspiring murals and marches, sparking conversations in living rooms and new legislation. But a more basic question has always remained: would justice be done?
In this case, at least, we have our answer. But if we’re being honest with ourselves, we know that true justice is about much more than a single verdict in a single trial.
True justice requires that we come to terms with the fact that Black Americans are treated differently, every day. It requires us to recognize that millions of our friends, family, and fellow citizens live in fear that their next encounter with law enforcement could be their last. And it requires us to do the sometimes thankless, often difficult, but always necessary work of making the America we know more like the America we believe in.
While today’s verdict may have been a necessary step on the road to progress, it was far from a sufficient one. We cannot rest. We will need to follow through with the concrete reforms that will reduce and ultimately eliminate racial bias in our criminal justice system. We will need to redouble efforts to expand economic opportunity for those communities that have been too long marginalized.
And as we continue the fight, we can draw strength from the millions of people — especially young people — who have marched and protested and spoken up over the last year, shining a light on inequity and calling for change. Justice is closer today not simply because of this verdict, but because of their work.
Michelle and I send our prayers to the Floyd family, in the hopes that they may find peace. And we stand shoulder-to-shoulder with all those who are committed to guaranteeing every American the full measure of justice that George and so many others have been denied. - Barak Obama
The jury's verdict delivers accountability for Derek Chauvin, but not justice for George Floyd. Real justice for him and too many others can only happen when we build a nation that fundamentally respects the human dignity of every person. The trauma and tragedy of George Floyd’s murder must never leave us. It was a manifestation of a system that callously devalues the lives of Black people. Our struggle now is about justice—not justice on paper, but real justice in which all Americans live their lives free of oppression. We must boldly root out the cancer of systemic racism and police violence against people of color.
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The prosecution is overdoing
The prosecution is overdoing it intentionally (as they should)
Anyone who has ever listened to testimony in these types of cases is hearing something markedly different than they usually hear out of law enforcement officers on the witness stand.
Chauvin will be convicted as a sacrificial lamb offered to restore faith in a completely broken policing system.
This is but one man. An entire system is guilty here, and will continue on as such. The other three might get some kind of probation.
You know police just killed a 13 year old boy in Chicago right? Rest In Peace Adam Toledo.
Rest in peace George Floyd.
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Which of the three choices do
Which of the three choices do you think they'll hit him with?
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Well, by my understanding of
Well, by my understanding of Minnesota law (which isn't much), I believe he will be convicted of second degree manslaughter or third degree murder.
I believe it is likely the prosecution will convince jurors that George Floyd's death was caused by chauvin's negligence beyond a reasonable doubt.
that would meet the standard for second degree manslaughter.
I believe it will be quite a bit more difficult than this to convince jurors that Chauvin was operating with a "depraved mind", which would be necessary to find conviction for third degree murder.
personally, I don't believe it's really "possible" (mechanically) for an officer otherwise acting in good faith (as Chauvin will most certainly testify he was) to simultaneously be suffering from a depraved mind. It's kind of either-or. Testimony from witnesses (including first responders) who were actually pleading with chauvin as he was killing George Floyd may be enough to establish depraved mind? I don't know.
the only "out" I see for defense is to convince the jurors that while his actions may have indeed been negligent or against his training or laws or whatever, they did not cause George Floyd's death. FWIW I've probably only watched about 10% of this trial live so far.
like rrg said it is indeed brutal stuff.
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Has anyone mentioned that
Has anyone mentioned that they, (chauvin & floyd), both worked at the same club yet?
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"Depraved mind" is odd:
"Depraved mind" is odd: MURDER 1N THE THIRD DEGREE—DEPRAVED MIND—DEFINED. Under Minnesota law, a person causing the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently. dangerous t0 others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, but without. intent to cause the death of any person, is guilty 0f murder in the third degree.
Basically, they'd have to prove that he knew it was wrong and was potentially deadly, he did it anyway, but really didn't mean to kill him.
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The whole think is probably a
The whole think is probably a turf war anyway. Bodega sells drugs with Chauvinism, Floyd steps on their pink, fake twenty appears out of nowhere, next thing you know, the whole country can't breathe. It's a sham(e)
RIP George Floyd
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Prosecution bringing it...
Prosecution bringing it...
Truth.
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Verdict is in
Verdict is in
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They can find him guilty
Heard an analyst say: They can find him guilty without knowing if the INTENT was to kill
better Fucking be guilty on all charges, and then prosecute the other complicit cops
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GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS
GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS
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Say His Name !!!
Say His Name !!!
George Floyd !
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The work must and will
The work must and will continue, system-wide, nation-wide.
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Good job jury.
Rarely do you see justice these days.
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>Today, a jury in Minneapolis
>Today, a jury in Minneapolis did the right thing.
For almost a year, George Floyd’s death under the knee of a police officer has reverberated around the world — inspiring murals and marches, sparking conversations in living rooms and new legislation. But a more basic question has always remained: would justice be done?
In this case, at least, we have our answer. But if we’re being honest with ourselves, we know that true justice is about much more than a single verdict in a single trial.
True justice requires that we come to terms with the fact that Black Americans are treated differently, every day. It requires us to recognize that millions of our friends, family, and fellow citizens live in fear that their next encounter with law enforcement could be their last. And it requires us to do the sometimes thankless, often difficult, but always necessary work of making the America we know more like the America we believe in.
While today’s verdict may have been a necessary step on the road to progress, it was far from a sufficient one. We cannot rest. We will need to follow through with the concrete reforms that will reduce and ultimately eliminate racial bias in our criminal justice system. We will need to redouble efforts to expand economic opportunity for those communities that have been too long marginalized.
And as we continue the fight, we can draw strength from the millions of people — especially young people — who have marched and protested and spoken up over the last year, shining a light on inequity and calling for change. Justice is closer today not simply because of this verdict, but because of their work.
Michelle and I send our prayers to the Floyd family, in the hopes that they may find peace. And we stand shoulder-to-shoulder with all those who are committed to guaranteeing every American the full measure of justice that George and so many others have been denied. - Barak Obama
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>Today, a jury in Minneapolis
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Both of these Senators
Both of these Senators represent us well. Oregon Senator Jeff Merkley:
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U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders:
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The jury's verdict delivers accountability for Derek Chauvin, but not justice for George Floyd. Real justice for him and too many others can only happen when we build a nation that fundamentally respects the human dignity of every person. The trauma and tragedy of George Floyd’s murder must never leave us. It was a manifestation of a system that callously devalues the lives of Black people. Our struggle now is about justice—not justice on paper, but real justice in which all Americans live their lives free of oppression. We must boldly root out the cancer of systemic racism and police violence against people of color.
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Toast d.c.
Toast d.c.
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This asshole needs to rot in
This white supremacist pos asshole needs to rot in prison for the rest of his days,,
along with the rest of em,, from trump on down.
DOJ Weighs Charging Derek Chauvin for 2017 Incident Involving Black Teen
https://www.theroot.com/doj-considers-charging-derek-chauvin-in-2017-inc...
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sentenced to 22.5 years
sentenced to 22.5 years
how long does the zone think he will remain alive in prison?
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Plenty of white Supremacists
Plenty of white Supremacists and guards there will have his back, so he will remain alive far too long