St. Mark you sure it didn't have anything to do with this?
Patriot Prayer
Patriot Prayer is a far-right[1] group based in the Portland, Oregon area.[2][3] Patriot Prayer describes itself as advocating in favor of free speech,[4] and opposing big government.[5][6] The group has organized pro-Trump[7] rallies and other protests in predominantly liberal areas, in which it has been met with large numbers of counter-protesters.[8][9] White nationalists have attended some of the rallies organised by Patriot Prayer, sparking controversy.[10][11][12] In August 2017, in the wake of the Unite the Right rally, Joey Gibson, the founder of Patriot Prayer, denounced racism[13][14] and denied that Patriot Prayer is connected to the alt-right.[15]
On February 25, 2018, Gibson announced that he would be running as a Republican in the 2018 election for the United States Senate seat from Washington. He seeks to unseat incumbent Democrat Maria Cantwell.[4]
The Proud Boys, a far-right group,[24] have also been present at several of his events.[25][26][27]Gibson has also drawn internal criticism from his habit of using violence against members of his own organization after consuming alcohol.[28]
Quick question- if #theresistance is "not playing around", how come y'all letting a bunch of Trump supporters put the perma brain damage on Antifa kids up in Portland? Where's the response?
Actually, let me be more pointed; if far leftists like yourself are openly calling for and engaging in street violence with the far right, how do you think you and your folks are going to realistically fare against a bunch of ex military, skinhead, armed white nationalists?
>> who don't want to lose our Democracy to Authoritarianism.
Packing the courts is the definition of Authoritarianism.
As Huq and Ginsburg note, court-packing is a frequently used tool in the toolkit of would-be authoritarians.
To give a few examples:
In 2004, Hugo Chavez’s allies in the National Assembly of Venezuela expanded the Supreme Court from 20 members to 32 and packed it with Chavez loyalists.
In 1946-47, Argentina’s populist president and former military coup conspirator Juan Perón successfully impeached four out of the country’s five Supreme Court justices in a bid to consolidate power.
In 1989, Argentine President Carlos Menem, fearing Supreme Court opposition to his privatization schemes, expanded the court from five to nine members and packed it with sympathetic judges.
In 2012, Juan Orlando Hernandez, then the president of Honduras’s National Congress and today the increasingly dictatorial country’s right-wing president, conspired to sack four of the five Supreme Court justices and replace them with his allies.
As part of Viktor Orban’s rise to power as Hungary’s dictator, in 2010 he and his Fidesz party amended the rules of Supreme Court appointment so that the opposition no longer had to assent to nominees; in 2011 they expanded the number of judges from 11 to 15; in 2012 and 2013 they expanded terms on the bench from nine to 12 years and eliminated the 70-year age limit previously in place. These moves, together, resulted in 11 out of 15 judges being Fidesz loyalists.
Poland’s authoritarian nationalist Law and Justice party in 2017 seized control over the Supreme Court by pushing legislation that gives the ruling party the ability to appoint new judges and the power to dismiss judges below a certain retirement age (which happens to disproportionately enable the dismissal of judges critical of the Law and Justice party). In the wake of massive public opposition, the president vetoed the legislation, only to accept a very similar bill months later. All this followed the party’s 2015 decision to not swear in judges appointed by their predecessors and to force a supermajority requirement on the court, effectively weakening it.
Among many other attempts to weaken the judiciary, Turkey’s authoritarian President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, then the prime minister, in 2010 pushed through a referendum increasing the Constitutional Court’s size from 11 to 17 and enabling him and his loyalists to fill the new vacancies.
I mean, why do we have a bunch of college kids LARPing around far right rallies dressed up like revolutionaries in black bandanas carrying weapons and getting into street fights with skinheads?
Is that not the official position of #theresistance? If it's not, why are you publishing 'WANTED' posters encouraging direct confrontation (presumably in public, on the street) with Trump administration officials & their supporters? Don't you think there's a correlation between escalating rhetoric, direct confrontations and violence, like we see in that video?
Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Individual freedoms are subordinate to the state and there is no constitutional accountability under an authoritarian regime.[1] Juan Linz's influential 1964 description of authoritarianism[2] characterized authoritarian political systems by four qualities:
1. Limited political pluralism, that is such regimes place constraints on political institutions and groups like legislatures, political parties and interest groups;
2. A basis for legitimacy based on emotion, especially the identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat "easily recognizable societal problems" such as underdevelopment or insurgency;
3. Minimal social mobilization most often caused by constraints on the public such as suppression of political opponents and anti-regime activity;
4. Informally defined executive power with often vague and shifting powers.[3]
>>> I mean, why do we have a bunch of college kids LARPing around far right rallies dressed up like revolutionaries in black bandanas carrying weapons and getting into street fights with skinheads?
Always a few bad eggs I guess?
Maybe they're paid by George Soros?
>>> If it's not, why are you publishing 'WANTED' posters encouraging direct confrontation (presumably in public, on the street) with Trump administration officials & their supporters? Don't you think there's a correlation between escalating rhetoric, direct confrontations and violence, like we see in that video?
It's called "Public Shaming" St. Mark.
It's been happening for quite awhile. (Centuries)
Non violent and effective.
Now you can't control how somebody will react.
Usually some low intelligent derelict will respond the way you are describing.
Anyone who is fighting skinheads in the streets of America, I'm routing for them. Not going to join them but would love to attend a match and lob urine filled sandwich bags at skinheads on the pitch.
Not just skinheads being accosted. When someone retaliates against "the resistance" and results in death, it's going to be bad. "the resistance" just doesn't know how out gunned they are & it will get worse & worse. you can play "the resistance" all you want just be prepared for things to rapidly deteriorate if push comes to shove.
That's fighting St. Mark sometimes you get your ass kicked no matter how good at it you are. To many people in this country are afraid of getting the shit beat out of them and grab a weapon in fear.
Trump Staffers Complain They Can’t Get Laid in D.C.
Single Trump staffers are having a hell of time trying to find dates, according to Politico. More than 30 “millennial staffers” spoke to the magazine about being ostracized by most of Washington D.C.’s social scene, and the area they’re having a particularly hard time with is dating.
White House aides say they basically become radioactive once they admit to prospective suitors that they work for the the current administration in any capacity. This is especially true on dating apps where people either immediately bitch them out for enabling the president’s creepy nativist agenda or just immediately delete the match. From Politico:
When it comes to disclosing their affiliation with Trump, no ground is more fraught than courtship. “Trump supporters swipe left”—meaning “don’t even bother trying”—might be the single most common disclaimer on dating app profiles in Washington.
Those Antifa folks are mostly kids looking for kicks fighting right wingers. Guess there is worse things those kids could be doing with their time and many will graduate to more sophisticated activism. I missed the last one, but have been down to a few of the protests and actually got hit by a stinger ball fired by the cops last summer. Didn't hurt that bad.
Here is a pic from that protest:
Ender: Interesting you mentioned the current court packing schemes in Poland and Hungary. I was in Warsaw this past weekend and we went down to the Supreme Court building (about five blocks from our Airbnb) to see if there were any protests going on, but it was a Saturday and it was pretty quiet.
Gonna need to start bulking up if you're gonna go toe to toe with the fascists, TOD. Let me suggest getting good at the compound lifts, and adding about 3000 calories a day to your soy-based diet.
Ha! I'm just busting your balls, TOD. All you really need for #theresistance is a twitter account. You got this, comrade.
I found a picture of one of those "no border" signs at the recent ICE detention facility protests:
Here is another shot of the encampment at the ICE detention center. The upside down American flag with the anarchy symbol painted over it is a nice touch:
i like "the tod" (nod to "scrubs", had a very good friend named todd that passed away suddenly last year), he's very passionate about his politics, aint nothing wrong with that.
I'm hoping that once the opportinistic politicians get their respective votes from this issue in the mid terms, sober minded law makers can tackle immigration comprehensively and implement a practical system that completely replaces the goat fuck currently happening at our borders.
One of the main drivers of Trump's ascension was the complete and total lack of anything resembling a coherent solution from Dems. You can't just shrug your shoulders at a problem of this scale and act like you're a humanitarian. That's how dumb ideas like building a massive wall between the US and Mexico actually start sounding reasonable to people who are pissed and already lacking good judgement.
Glad to see Dise has found a constructive way to work through her guilt over voting for that idiotic Russian troll candidate in the general. Maybe next time, when the choice is so obviously important, it won’t be so difficult.
It would be nice if Mark read a little about the history of antifa in Europe and at least tried to understand their philosophical motivation for open confrontation. I’m not saying you have to support it but at least you’ll know why they do what they do (and how it’s deeper than an anti-skinhead punk rock skirmish).
The Times also noted that all 193 House Democrats have signed onto a proposal that “enhances technology used to monitor the border, and provides $110 million in grants annually for collaboration between local law enforcement and Border Patrol agents.”
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the young Democrat who identifies as a socialist and stunned the Democratic establishment Tuesday when she upset veteran New York Rep. Joe Crowley in a congressional primary, flatly denied in an interview with NPR on Wednesday the oft-printed accusation that she is for open borders.
“We have to have a secure border,” she told host Steve Inskeep. “We need to make sure that people are, in fact, documented.”
We care about protecting our country, but we don’t think we need to protect the border by putting children in cages,” Ms. Pelosi said. “We want to be smart and strong — not reckless, rash and ruthless in this case.”
Thirty Democrats in the House have sponsored a bipartisan immigration bill this year that gives the young undocumented immigrants known as Dreamers a pathway to citizenship. It also enhances technology used to monitor the border, and provides $110 million in grants annually for collaboration between local law enforcement and Border Patrol agents.
All 193 Democrats in the House and 23 moderate Republicans have signed a “discharge” petition to force a vote on that bill and other immigration proposals.
In the Senate, all but one Democrat voted for similar immigration legislation sponsored by Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and Senator Chris Coons, Democrat of Delaware.
And all but three Democrats voted for yet another bipartisan proposal to provide a pathway to citizenship to Dreamers, authorize $25 billion to build barriers and hire personnel at the border over the next decade. It would also prohibit green-card holders from sponsoring adult children.
Democrats also consistently supported border security measures before Mr. Trump took office.
In 2013, every single Democrat in the Senate voted for the so-called Gang of Eight immigration overhaul bill that would have provided about $40 billion for border enforcement, including deploying thousands more agents and building 700 miles of fencing. (The House never voted on the bill.)
And in 2006, 26 Senate Democrats voted to build 700 miles of walls and fences on the southwestern border. Mr. Schumer was among the Democrats who supported that proposal — a fact that even Mr. Trump has repeatedly acknowledged, as recently as last week.
"It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.....even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’.
The House of Representatives has introduced a bill called the “Unmasking Antifa Act of 2018,” which carries a potential 15-year prison sentence for anyone caught engaging in behaviors typically associated with anti-fascist activists.
Keep defending this criminal administration, Bag O'Shit
You cried wolf for eight years under Obama. Now we have a real wolf alienating our allies, praising authoritarian leaders, attacking the free press, attacking American businesses, attacking the FBI, attacking the DOJ, starting a trade war with our allies, and lying at an unprecedented rate(even for a politician.)
The above is an abbreviated list.
Yet you continue to defend the un-american, criminal Trump administration.
Dominant themes in the far-right disinformation campaign:
- trying to label Antifa as a terrorist org.
- trying to link Antifa to the Democratic party
- trying to shift narrative to "both sides" to deflect from the rise in right-wing extremism
- anti-BLM
“A report from the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point found that from 1990 to 2012, far-right extremists were responsible for 670 fatalities, 3,053 injuries and 4,420 violent attacks in the United States. No such data exist for antifa, but in the three decades of antifa’s organized existence in America, only one known fatality caused by a member of an antifa group has been recorded, when in 1993 a multiracial skin shot a Nazi skin during a fight at a gas station in Portland and was convicted of manslaughter.”
You are comparing apple to oranges. You have data for one group and nothing for another.
From your link:
A report from the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point found that from 1990 to 2012, far-right extremists were responsible for 670 fatalities, 3,053 injuries and 4,420 violent attacks in the United States. No such data exist for antifa...
So in the absence of data, you can't assume anything.
I read the article. The source was fine, your two bullet summary of the article was, at best, ignorant and, at worst, a lie.
But now I see you copied that summary from here (the same twitter feed as above). Stop getting your news from twitter. You can't summarize ideas in 140 character blurbs.
>>> A report from the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point found that from 1990 to 2012, far-right extremists were responsible for 670 fatalities, 3,053 injuries and 4,420 violent attacks in the United States. No such data exist for antifa
You left this out while splicing what I posted.
A report from the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point found that from 1990 to 2012, far-right extremists were responsible for 670 fatalities, 3,053 injuries and 4,420 violent attacks in the United States. No such data exist for antifa
but in the three decades of antifa’s organized existence in America, only one known fatality caused by a member of an antifa group has been recorded, when in 1993 a multiracial skin shot a Nazi skin during a fight at a gas station in Portland and was convicted of manslaughter.”
You listed the number of injuries and violent attacks from one group and not another. There is no basis for a comparison. You aren't even looking for the data. You are just looking to confirm your biases.
Now a lot of people have a non realistic view of Antifa because of right wing propaganda.
Just look at what St.Mark said,
"I mean, why do we have a bunch of college kids LARPing around far right rallies dressed up like revolutionaries in black bandanas carrying weapons and getting into street fights with skinheads?
Is that not the official position of #theresistance? If it's not, why are you publishing 'WANTED' posters encouraging direct confrontation (presumably in public, on the street) with Trump administration officials & their supporters? Don't you think there's a correlation between escalating rhetoric, direct confrontations and violence, like we see in that video?"
Hopefully St. Mark and others take time out and actually educate their selves instead of perpetuating the problem,
Maybe next time, when the choice is so obviously important, it won’t be so difficult.
Um..idiot, I live in California, my vote didn't matter then and it won't 'next time' either. There's no difficult choice at all. I still vote down ticket but the big races are already decided before I even get my ballot. No guilt here. Nice try though :)
Hecklers spoil another Mitch McConnell meal by blaring 'Fight The Power'
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell may need to start ordering takeout in Louisville.
The Kentucky Republican abruptly left Sarino, an Italian restaurant in Schnitzelburg, on Sunday night after protesters blared Public Enemy's "Fight The Power" and yelled "no justice no peace."
I'm all for nonviolently expressing your dislike of administration officials in public if you see them. I have yet to but if I run into Stephen Miller he'll know. They need to know that YES, while your staff and your base may kiss your ass, a lot of Americans are fucking pissed. Make their lives uncomfortable. When you do good, you get treated extra special nice. Only fair to get treated like shit when you are being one. Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaej_HbaqZU
I'm all for confronting white supremacists and xenophobes (which is essentially what folks mean then they use "fascist" or "nazis" these days) in whatever means is appropriate to the situation, which usually would not entail violence. However, when white supremacists are publicly out in force I am all for people disrupting their activities. I am not offended by an occasional punch of a nazi.
What I have really liked over the last year is that thanks to antifa getting out there and publicly confronting the nazis, other people who had not realized that white power was growing have stepped up to say "Yeah, fuck those guys". And that led to Boston, where a happy hugging anti fascist throng overwhelmed the city and prevented the nazis from gathering. Gainesville, where students and citizens again outnumbered the bad guys and inside where Richard Spencer was speaking they drowned him out by singing Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down". White supremacists were emboldened by Trump's victory but while organized white power is still out there, they have had to largely go underground and stop walking around waving their flags like they aren't the dirty scum. For many years people just assumed white supremacists were a joke, and look, our fucking country elected a white supremacist president. They are not a joke, they are an infection which we let fester. The good people must step up and let it be known that this shit is not acceptable. Make it funny, make it peaceful, whatever works for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs4P1kKK-5k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba8gVp3WaT0
As for successful protests, although the administration is trying everything they can to prevent having to reunite families, it was largely citizen outrage that put a slow down on the separations. Knowing now how (willfully) unprepared they were to ever unite these families again, can you imagine what a cluster it would be if they were still imprisoning hundreds of kids every week? Yes, I know this is Miller's plan because he believes that the USA is so filled with racists that people will vote for them BECAUSE of what they did. That may be so, but sometimes you just have to play it straight and say "Fuck that and fuck you".
Next time time you’re at a rally (every month or two is your pace, self-stated, so it should be soon), take a look at the signs being carried. “They” are usually the intended audience or subjects of those messages. “They” are the ones dissembling, gerrymandering, and obfuscating in order to lower voter turnout. “They” call limiting hard-won civil liberties patriotic. “They” stoke age-old racial divisions to further an economic agenda for the elite. “They” have fascistic tendencies, at least.
Watching the left eat it’s own tail again and again as the smaller number of conservatives stay organized and hold the reins of power is getting old and it’s fucking up the country for a generation, at least. Time for it to stop.
California always goes blue for the GE there's no secret about that. You still haven't identified who 'they' are but when you do, ask them if the California vote in the GE cost hillary the election, or if it was the electoral college, mmmk? You have a nice day :)
With the creation of ICE, Congress duplicated an already bloated bureaucracy. We spend more on immigration enforcement than on all other federal law enforcement combined, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, Secret Service, U.S. Marshals and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
We spend more on deporting college students or day laborers than investigating and jailing, as Trump put it, “bad hombres.” Simple math will tell you this federal agency is a burden to taxpayers.
The ARA (Anti-Racist Action) also pioneered a tactic known today as doxing — exposing fascists and racists in order to shame them in their communities. Back then, it was a lot more labor-intensive. “When you see someone passing out white supremacist flyers or not getting prosecuted for hate crimes, you dig deeper and try to find out who the person is,” explains an anti-fascist in western Pennsylvania with two decades of experience who goes by Lady. “We would make a list of their actions against our friends, neighbors and the community. We’d write it into a little story and put it on a flyer with a picture of them we’d usually have to snap ourselves. Then we’d walk around their community and put the flyer on light poles and cars. We’d usually call it something like, ‘Meet your neighborhood racist.’”
Protesters who cover their faces could spend more than a decade in prison under an anti-anti-fascist bill by House Republicans.
The “Unmasking Antifa Act,” introduced last month by Rep. Dan Donovan of New York, would impose harsh penalties on anyone who “injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates any person” while wearing a mask or disguise. The legislation, which could send people to prison for up to 15 years, mirrors controversial state laws originally designed at cracking down on the Ku Klux Klan. But unlike those state laws, Donovan’s bill is a direct shot at leftist protesters. And it might be unconstitutional, experts say.
“The thing I think is kind of funny is that the title is refers to ‘antifa,’” Ruthann Robson, a law professor at the City University of New York told The Daily Beast. “One issue there would be: is this law targeting a certain group of people?”
Robson is the author of Dressing Constitutionally: Hierarchy, Sexuality, and Democracy from Our Hairstyles to Our Shoes, which examines the intersection of law and constitutional rights, including anti-mask state laws.
“That would be a way to argue that it was unconstitutional,” she said. “Is it general, or just targeting this group? Because a law targeting some group’s expression would be more problematic. You could call it viewpoint discrimination. There could even be some equality arguments.”
Mark Bray, a Dartmouth College lecturer and the author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, which charts anti-fascism’s history, said politicians often speak too broadly when referring to the movement.
“Whenever I see politicians talking about antifa, the level of information they have is minimal,” he told The Daily Beast. “In a certain sense, they’re talking about what they perceive as leftists.”
>> The ARA (Anti-Racist Action) also pioneered a tactic known today as doxing — exposing fascists and racists in order to shame them in their communities. Back then, it was a lot more labor-intensive. “When you see someone passing out white supremacist flyers or not getting prosecuted for hate crimes, you dig deeper and try to find out who the person is,” explains an anti-fascist in western Pennsylvania with two decades of experience who goes by Lady. “We would make a list of their actions against our friends, neighbors and the community. We’d write it into a little story and put it on a flyer with a picture of them we’d usually have to snap ourselves. Then we’d walk around their community and put the flyer on light poles and cars. We’d usually call it something like, ‘Meet your neighborhood racist.’”
Ateix - Incase you missed the article I linked earlier here it is again.
The Nazi-Puncher’s Dilemma
Inside the Antifa movement’s struggle to continue its long, colorful legacy of cracking white supremacist heads without alienating, well, just about everyone.
Stephen Miller has been with KKK Sessions and is a human piece of garbage. So I have no care in the world for what happens to that piece of sheep shit. He made is bed now sleep in it.
Hodgson says his determination springs from his anger at the xenophobia rising across the country. “You saw it after the referendum here, people thinking you could have the old days back when ‘we ruled the world’ and ‘things were made in Britain’. You can’t turn the clock back.” As to why has he been compelled by this march, rather than the anti-Brexit ones, Hodgson is clear. “Trump preaches hatred and greed and he is winding people up into a furore. Those are like the Nazi rallies, it is that serious.”
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This will backfire.
This will backfire.
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Have a nice day Mr. Miller.
Have a nice day Mr. Miller.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/07/09/steph...
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Already has (Chait is back
Already has (Chait is back from vacation and on a roll):
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/stephen-miller-owned-the-li...
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Did you enjoy your lunch
Did you enjoy your lunch Mitch?
The Louisville encounter was the second time in two weeks that McConnell's private life has been disrupted by a spontaneous protest.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/07/08/where-ar...
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lumber is right
lumber is right
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Hillman - If you agree with
Hillman - If you agree with lumber.
Could you explain how "this will backfire"?
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^tod, trump voters who have
^tod, trump voters who have been driven away by his inhumanity and intolerance will view the alternative as just as bad.
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And when someone get hurt,
And when someone get hurt, the blame will be laid on Democrats/the left/ liberals/ the resistance/ antifa
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>> And when someone get hurt,
>> And when someone get hurt, the blame will be laid on Democrats/the left/ liberals/ the resistance/ antifa
Preemptive victimization!
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OCLT - Dude, they ran over a
OCLT - Dude, they ran over a woman and killed her.
"There are fine people on both sides" - Trump
They put children in cages and also have "lost" many.
The people who think your Medicare should be gutted while Trump's family, cabinet and donors get millions of dollars in tax cuts don't like your tone.
The people who want to make cancer patients uninsurable think you're being uncivil.
Fuck Whataboutism and Fuck the Trump voters!
I could careless if they don't like their tactics used against them.
They're the minority, this shit won't stand.
So what if they snowflake out, it's game on!
No Comfort For Fascists!!
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All true, and it will
All true, and it will backfire.
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Have you guys seen that video
Have you guys seen that video making the rounds of the Antifa dude in Portland getting knocked the fuck out?
https://youtu.be/xauLYyGQcWg
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St. Mark you sure it didn't
St. Mark you sure it didn't have anything to do with this?
Patriot Prayer
Patriot Prayer is a far-right[1] group based in the Portland, Oregon area.[2][3] Patriot Prayer describes itself as advocating in favor of free speech,[4] and opposing big government.[5][6] The group has organized pro-Trump[7] rallies and other protests in predominantly liberal areas, in which it has been met with large numbers of counter-protesters.[8][9] White nationalists have attended some of the rallies organised by Patriot Prayer, sparking controversy.[10][11][12] In August 2017, in the wake of the Unite the Right rally, Joey Gibson, the founder of Patriot Prayer, denounced racism[13][14] and denied that Patriot Prayer is connected to the alt-right.[15]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Prayer
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Yeah that was the dumb "rally
Yeah that was the dumb "rally" it took place at, TOD.
Apparently the Antifa kid is now suffering permanent brain damage (I mean on top of whatever his previous condition was).
Thoughts & prayers.
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The guy who started Patriot
St. Mark -
The guy who started Patriot Prayer, Joey Gibson.
Gibson founded Patriot Prayer in 2016.[2][3]
On February 25, 2018, Gibson announced that he would be running as a Republican in the 2018 election for the United States Senate seat from Washington. He seeks to unseat incumbent Democrat Maria Cantwell.[4]
The Proud Boys, a far-right group,[24] have also been present at several of his events.[25][26][27]Gibson has also drawn internal criticism from his habit of using violence against members of his own organization after consuming alcohol.[28]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Gibson_(political_activist)
If nothing else, interesting where you go YouTube'n.
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Am I suspect, TOD? Lol
Am I suspect, TOD? Lol
Quick question- if #theresistance is "not playing around", how come y'all letting a bunch of Trump supporters put the perma brain damage on Antifa kids up in Portland? Where's the response?
Actually, let me be more pointed; if far leftists like yourself are openly calling for and engaging in street violence with the far right, how do you think you and your folks are going to realistically fare against a bunch of ex military, skinhead, armed white nationalists?
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Who said anything about
Who said anything about condoning any street violence?
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>> Who said anything about
>> Who said anything about condoning any street violence?
Redneck.
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I've been to 5 Marches
I've been to 5 Marches/Rallies since The Trump Regime stole the election.
Not one of them violent and it felt good to participate with like minded caring, compassionate people
who don't want to lose our Democracy to Authoritarianism.
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>> who don't want to lose our
>> who don't want to lose our Democracy to Authoritarianism.
Packing the courts is the definition of Authoritarianism.
As Huq and Ginsburg note, court-packing is a frequently used tool in the toolkit of would-be authoritarians.
To give a few examples:
In 2004, Hugo Chavez’s allies in the National Assembly of Venezuela expanded the Supreme Court from 20 members to 32 and packed it with Chavez loyalists.
In 1946-47, Argentina’s populist president and former military coup conspirator Juan Perón successfully impeached four out of the country’s five Supreme Court justices in a bid to consolidate power.
In 1989, Argentine President Carlos Menem, fearing Supreme Court opposition to his privatization schemes, expanded the court from five to nine members and packed it with sympathetic judges.
In 2012, Juan Orlando Hernandez, then the president of Honduras’s National Congress and today the increasingly dictatorial country’s right-wing president, conspired to sack four of the five Supreme Court justices and replace them with his allies.
As part of Viktor Orban’s rise to power as Hungary’s dictator, in 2010 he and his Fidesz party amended the rules of Supreme Court appointment so that the opposition no longer had to assent to nominees; in 2011 they expanded the number of judges from 11 to 15; in 2012 and 2013 they expanded terms on the bench from nine to 12 years and eliminated the 70-year age limit previously in place. These moves, together, resulted in 11 out of 15 judges being Fidesz loyalists.
Poland’s authoritarian nationalist Law and Justice party in 2017 seized control over the Supreme Court by pushing legislation that gives the ruling party the ability to appoint new judges and the power to dismiss judges below a certain retirement age (which happens to disproportionately enable the dismissal of judges critical of the Law and Justice party). In the wake of massive public opposition, the president vetoed the legislation, only to accept a very similar bill months later. All this followed the party’s 2015 decision to not swear in judges appointed by their predecessors and to force a supermajority requirement on the court, effectively weakening it.
Among many other attempts to weaken the judiciary, Turkey’s authoritarian President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, then the prime minister, in 2010 pushed through a referendum increasing the Constitutional Court’s size from 11 to 17 and enabling him and his loyalists to fill the new vacancies.
https://www.vox.com/2018/7/2/17513520/court-packing-explained-fdr-roosev...
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I dunno, TOD. Who is saying
I dunno, TOD. Who is saying that?
I mean, why do we have a bunch of college kids LARPing around far right rallies dressed up like revolutionaries in black bandanas carrying weapons and getting into street fights with skinheads?
Is that not the official position of #theresistance? If it's not, why are you publishing 'WANTED' posters encouraging direct confrontation (presumably in public, on the street) with Trump administration officials & their supporters? Don't you think there's a correlation between escalating rhetoric, direct confrontations and violence, like we see in that video?
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Here’s a video we should all
Here’s a video we should all watch: https://youtu.be/MopJQFMsdZ0
It’s Produced and Directed by Uncle Sam
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Authoritarianism is a form of
Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Individual freedoms are subordinate to the state and there is no constitutional accountability under an authoritarian regime.[1] Juan Linz's influential 1964 description of authoritarianism[2] characterized authoritarian political systems by four qualities:
1. Limited political pluralism, that is such regimes place constraints on political institutions and groups like legislatures, political parties and interest groups;
2. A basis for legitimacy based on emotion, especially the identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat "easily recognizable societal problems" such as underdevelopment or insurgency;
3. Minimal social mobilization most often caused by constraints on the public such as suppression of political opponents and anti-regime activity;
4. Informally defined executive power with often vague and shifting powers.[3]
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No packing the court but
No packing the court but stealing it's majority is ok
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No, the Merrick Garland thing
Nugs, I agree that the Merrick Garland thing was fucked from the get-go.
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>>> I mean, why do we have a
>>> I mean, why do we have a bunch of college kids LARPing around far right rallies dressed up like revolutionaries in black bandanas carrying weapons and getting into street fights with skinheads?
Always a few bad eggs I guess?
Maybe they're paid by George Soros?
>>> If it's not, why are you publishing 'WANTED' posters encouraging direct confrontation (presumably in public, on the street) with Trump administration officials & their supporters? Don't you think there's a correlation between escalating rhetoric, direct confrontations and violence, like we see in that video?
It's called "Public Shaming" St. Mark.
It's been happening for quite awhile. (Centuries)
Non violent and effective.
Now you can't control how somebody will react.
Usually some low intelligent derelict will respond the way you are describing.
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Anyone who is fighting
Anyone who is fighting skinheads in the streets of America, I'm routing for them. Not going to join them but would love to attend a match and lob urine filled sandwich bags at skinheads on the pitch.
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We used to beat up skinheads
We used to beat up skinheads at punk shows in Denver back in the 90's. Got our asses kicked a few times, too.
Luckily we weren't a bunch of pussies like #theresistance.
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Not just skinheads being
Not just skinheads being accosted. When someone retaliates against "the resistance" and results in death, it's going to be bad. "the resistance" just doesn't know how out gunned they are & it will get worse & worse. you can play "the resistance" all you want just be prepared for things to rapidly deteriorate if push comes to shove.
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Here's some resistance for
Here's some Resistance for you St. Mark.
This happened yesterday.
Protesters confront Ivanka Trump on family separations
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/396253-protesters-confr...
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That's fighting St. Mark
That's fighting St. Mark sometimes you get your ass kicked no matter how good at it you are. To many people in this country are afraid of getting the shit beat out of them and grab a weapon in fear.
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Thanks for the warning
Thanks for the warning Hillman, I would expect nothing less from you.
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what the hell does that mean?
what the hell does that mean?
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Nobody got beat up? wait,
Nobody got beat up? wait, what?
Shunning definitely doesn't work...
Trump Staffers Complain They Can’t Get Laid in D.C.
Single Trump staffers are having a hell of time trying to find dates, according to Politico. More than 30 “millennial staffers” spoke to the magazine about being ostracized by most of Washington D.C.’s social scene, and the area they’re having a particularly hard time with is dating.
White House aides say they basically become radioactive once they admit to prospective suitors that they work for the the current administration in any capacity. This is especially true on dating apps where people either immediately bitch them out for enabling the president’s creepy nativist agenda or just immediately delete the match. From Politico:
When it comes to disclosing their affiliation with Trump, no ground is more fraught than courtship. “Trump supporters swipe left”—meaning “don’t even bother trying”—might be the single most common disclaimer on dating app profiles in Washington.
https://www.spin.com/2018/06/trump-staffers-dating-dc-politico/
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Yep, 30 guys went to a
Yep, 30 guys went to a magazine and said they couldn't get laid. Totally believable.
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>It's called "Public Shaming"
>It's called "Public Shaming" St. Mark.
It's been happening for quite awhile. (Centuries)
Non violent and effective.<
Actually, TOD, your original post is closer to this...
Remember what happened to Dr. Tiller?
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I've been to 5 Marches
I've been to 5 Marches/Rallies since The Trump Regime stole the election.
Not one of them violent and it felt good to participate with like minded caring, compassionate people
Five? In a year and a half?! You must be exhausted, such an activist!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
what rally was the most
what rally was the most effective? can you repeat that?
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Dise - I'm quite good.
Dise - I'm quite good.
Must be all the "Cardio" which is also "pussy" besides the "resistance" according to St. Mark.
But thanks for compartmentalizing my activism.
TTYL
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Court packing isn't just the
Court packing isn't just the purview of the right wingers. FDR's scheme was one of the most blatant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Procedures_Reform_Bill_of_1937
Those Antifa folks are mostly kids looking for kicks fighting right wingers. Guess there is worse things those kids could be doing with their time and many will graduate to more sophisticated activism. I missed the last one, but have been down to a few of the protests and actually got hit by a stinger ball fired by the cops last summer. Didn't hurt that bad.
Here is a pic from that protest:
Ender: Interesting you mentioned the current court packing schemes in Poland and Hungary. I was in Warsaw this past weekend and we went down to the Supreme Court building (about five blocks from our Airbnb) to see if there were any protests going on, but it was a Saturday and it was pretty quiet.
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Cardio is, in fact, for
Cardio is, in fact, for pussies.
Gonna need to start bulking up if you're gonna go toe to toe with the fascists, TOD. Let me suggest getting good at the compound lifts, and adding about 3000 calories a day to your soy-based diet.
Ha! I'm just busting your balls, TOD. All you really need for #theresistance is a twitter account. You got this, comrade.
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I've been to twice as many
I've been to twice as many rallies than T.O.D. has, but he's doing all the heavy lifting here on viva!
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TOD is the new B-Wrong.
TOD is the new B-Wrong.
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lol! I will say some of TOD's
lol! I will say some of TOD's threads are interesting enough to post on. I'll take privileged hippie politics over DS's daily doggy blog.
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Fair, for sure.
Fair, for sure.
I've taken a bit of a shine to TOD, actually.
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I found a picture of one of
I found a picture of one of those "no border" signs at the recent ICE detention facility protests:
Here is another shot of the encampment at the ICE detention center. The upside down American flag with the anarchy symbol painted over it is a nice touch:
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Stay adorable, Portland...
Stay adorable, Portland...
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i like "the tod" (nod to
i like "the tod" (nod to "scrubs", had a very good friend named todd that passed away suddenly last year), he's very passionate about his politics, aint nothing wrong with that.
i thought liberals werent asking for no borders?
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That anti-ICE encampment
That anti-ICE encampment looks like a real shithole.
You really can't put gutter punks in charge of anything.
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http://thephilzone.net
http://thephilzone.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1542
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Portland sounds like it's
Portland sounds like it's overrun with rebellious teenagers.
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I'm not for no borders, but
I'm not for "no borders", but that doesn't mean we need to be psychopaths about families seeking asylum or citizenship here.
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I'm hoping that once the
I'm hoping that once the opportinistic politicians get their respective votes from this issue in the mid terms, sober minded law makers can tackle immigration comprehensively and implement a practical system that completely replaces the goat fuck currently happening at our borders.
One of the main drivers of Trump's ascension was the complete and total lack of anything resembling a coherent solution from Dems. You can't just shrug your shoulders at a problem of this scale and act like you're a humanitarian. That's how dumb ideas like building a massive wall between the US and Mexico actually start sounding reasonable to people who are pissed and already lacking good judgement.
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Glad to see Dise has found a
Glad to see Dise has found a constructive way to work through her guilt over voting for that idiotic Russian troll candidate in the general. Maybe next time, when the choice is so obviously important, it won’t be so difficult.
It would be nice if Mark read a little about the history of antifa in Europe and at least tried to understand their philosophical motivation for open confrontation. I’m not saying you have to support it but at least you’ll know why they do what they do (and how it’s deeper than an anti-skinhead punk rock skirmish).
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>I thought liberals werent
>I thought liberals werent asking for no borders<
The Times also noted that all 193 House Democrats have signed onto a proposal that “enhances technology used to monitor the border, and provides $110 million in grants annually for collaboration between local law enforcement and Border Patrol agents.”
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the young Democrat who identifies as a socialist and stunned the Democratic establishment Tuesday when she upset veteran New York Rep. Joe Crowley in a congressional primary, flatly denied in an interview with NPR on Wednesday the oft-printed accusation that she is for open borders.
“We have to have a secure border,” she told host Steve Inskeep. “We need to make sure that people are, in fact, documented.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-perspec-zorn-open-bor...
We care about protecting our country, but we don’t think we need to protect the border by putting children in cages,” Ms. Pelosi said. “We want to be smart and strong — not reckless, rash and ruthless in this case.”
Thirty Democrats in the House have sponsored a bipartisan immigration bill this year that gives the young undocumented immigrants known as Dreamers a pathway to citizenship. It also enhances technology used to monitor the border, and provides $110 million in grants annually for collaboration between local law enforcement and Border Patrol agents.
All 193 Democrats in the House and 23 moderate Republicans have signed a “discharge” petition to force a vote on that bill and other immigration proposals.
In the Senate, all but one Democrat voted for similar immigration legislation sponsored by Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and Senator Chris Coons, Democrat of Delaware.
And all but three Democrats voted for yet another bipartisan proposal to provide a pathway to citizenship to Dreamers, authorize $25 billion to build barriers and hire personnel at the border over the next decade. It would also prohibit green-card holders from sponsoring adult children.
Democrats also consistently supported border security measures before Mr. Trump took office.
In 2013, every single Democrat in the Senate voted for the so-called Gang of Eight immigration overhaul bill that would have provided about $40 billion for border enforcement, including deploying thousands more agents and building 700 miles of fencing. (The House never voted on the bill.)
And in 2006, 26 Senate Democrats voted to build 700 miles of walls and fences on the southwestern border. Mr. Schumer was among the Democrats who supported that proposal — a fact that even Mr. Trump has repeatedly acknowledged, as recently as last week.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/us/politics/fast-check-donald-trump-d...
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"It will be seen that, as
"It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.....even the people who recklessly fling the word ‘Fascist’ in every direction attach at any rate an emotional significance to it. By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’.
http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc
“The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable"
― George Orwell, Essays
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Here's a Bill introduced on June 18th.
"Unmasking Antifa Act of 2018"
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The House of Representatives
The House of Representatives has introduced a bill called the “Unmasking Antifa Act of 2018,” which carries a potential 15-year prison sentence for anyone caught engaging in behaviors typically associated with anti-fascist activists.
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Keep defending this criminal
Keep defending this criminal administration, Bag O'Shit
You cried wolf for eight years under Obama. Now we have a real wolf alienating our allies, praising authoritarian leaders, attacking the free press, attacking American businesses, attacking the FBI, attacking the DOJ, starting a trade war with our allies, and lying at an unprecedented rate(even for a politician.)
The above is an abbreviated list.
Yet you continue to defend the un-american, criminal Trump administration.
Wave your flag Bag O'shit...
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Two groups go to
Dominant themes in the far-right disinformation campaign:
- trying to label Antifa as a terrorist org.
- trying to link Antifa to the Democratic party
- trying to shift narrative to "both sides" to deflect from the rise in right-wing extremism
- anti-BLM
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T.O.D.,
T.O.D.,
Please source your posts. Otherwise, people might think those are your own thoughts and words.
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- 30+ years of Antifa
- 30+ years of Antifa activity in the US: 1 fatality caused by a member of an Antifa group
- 20 years of far-right extremist activity in the US (1990-2012): 670 fatalities, 3,053 injuries, & 4,420 violent attacks
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nazi-punch-antifa_us_59e13ae9e4b03a...
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“A report from the Combating
“A report from the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point found that from 1990 to 2012, far-right extremists were responsible for 670 fatalities, 3,053 injuries and 4,420 violent attacks in the United States. No such data exist for antifa, but in the three decades of antifa’s organized existence in America, only one known fatality caused by a member of an antifa group has been recorded, when in 1993 a multiracial skin shot a Nazi skin during a fight at a gas station in Portland and was convicted of manslaughter.”
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T.O.D. ,
T.O.D. ,
You are comparing apple to oranges. You have data for one group and nothing for another.
From your link:
A report from the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point found that from 1990 to 2012, far-right extremists were responsible for 670 fatalities, 3,053 injuries and 4,420 violent attacks in the United States. No such data exist for antifa...
So in the absence of data, you can't assume anything.
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Ender - You've used Huff Post
Ender - You've used Huff Post as a source many times.
Did you read the whole article I posted?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
I saw this on HuffPost.
I saw this on HuffPost.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b44ea86e4b07aea7544c4ea
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I read the article. The
I read the article. The source was fine, your two bullet summary of the article was, at best, ignorant and, at worst, a lie.
But now I see you copied that summary from here (the same twitter feed as above). Stop getting your news from twitter. You can't summarize ideas in 140 character blurbs.
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>>> A report from the
>>> A report from the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point found that from 1990 to 2012, far-right extremists were responsible for 670 fatalities, 3,053 injuries and 4,420 violent attacks in the United States. No such data exist for antifa
You left this out while splicing what I posted.
A report from the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point found that from 1990 to 2012, far-right extremists were responsible for 670 fatalities, 3,053 injuries and 4,420 violent attacks in the United States. No such data exist for antifa
but in the three decades of antifa’s organized existence in America, only one known fatality caused by a member of an antifa group has been recorded, when in 1993 a multiracial skin shot a Nazi skin during a fight at a gas station in Portland and was convicted of manslaughter.”
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Ender -
Ender -
Anybody that wants to learn FACTUAL history of Antifa can read that article...
Or
You can stick or keep your head in the sand.
Your choice.
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T.O.D.
T.O.D.
You listed the number of injuries and violent attacks from one group and not another. There is no basis for a comparison. You aren't even looking for the data. You are just looking to confirm your biases.
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Ender - Is the Combating
Now a lot of people have a non realistic view of Antifa because of right wing propaganda.
Just look at what St.Mark said,
"I mean, why do we have a bunch of college kids LARPing around far right rallies dressed up like revolutionaries in black bandanas carrying weapons and getting into street fights with skinheads?
Is that not the official position of #theresistance? If it's not, why are you publishing 'WANTED' posters encouraging direct confrontation (presumably in public, on the street) with Trump administration officials & their supporters? Don't you think there's a correlation between escalating rhetoric, direct confrontations and violence, like we see in that video?"
Hopefully St. Mark and others take time out and actually educate their selves instead of perpetuating the problem,
unless you support Fascism.
Again, the choice is yours.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nazi-punch-antifa_us_59e13ae9e4b03a...
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In fact, why are you
In fact, why are you comparing "all far-right extremist groups" with just antifa?
Why don't you compare all far-right extremists groups to all far-left extremist groups?
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Ender - You say you read the
Ender - You say you read the article in the link in its entirety.
So you'll understand this when I say you're a "Savvy Propagandist",
but we see right through your bullshit.
Keep showing us who you are.
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Maybe next time, when the
Maybe next time, when the choice is so obviously important, it won’t be so difficult.
Um..idiot, I live in California, my vote didn't matter then and it won't 'next time' either. There's no difficult choice at all. I still vote down ticket but the big races are already decided before I even get my ballot. No guilt here. Nice try though :)
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Mitch can't catch a break.
Mitch can't catch a break.
Hecklers spoil another Mitch McConnell meal by blaring 'Fight The Power'
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell may need to start ordering takeout in Louisville.
The Kentucky Republican abruptly left Sarino, an Italian restaurant in Schnitzelburg, on Sunday night after protesters blared Public Enemy's "Fight The Power" and yelled "no justice no peace."
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/09/mitch-mcc...
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>>>>Just look at what St.Mark
>>>>Just look at what St.Mark said
Look at it!
I asked TOD if he could see the obvious correlation between escalating rhetoric, direct confrontation, and violence.
TOD actually doesn't see it, because #theresistance.
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Here's an article from the
Here's an article from the The Stanford Review about noted terrorist and Stanford comparative lit professor David Palumbo-Liu.
https://stanfordreview.org/antifa-thugs-find-a-champion-and-leader-in-st...
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St. Mark -
St. Mark -
Did you read this article in its entirety about the Factual history of Antifa?
Hope you did...
It actually addresses EVERYTHING you've said in this thread.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nazi-punch-antifa_us_59e13ae9e4b03a...
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HuffPo is a known propaganda
HuffPo is a known propaganda tool of the far left, TOD.
Clean your sources up, pal.
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I'm all for nonviolently
I'm all for nonviolently expressing your dislike of administration officials in public if you see them. I have yet to but if I run into Stephen Miller he'll know. They need to know that YES, while your staff and your base may kiss your ass, a lot of Americans are fucking pissed. Make their lives uncomfortable. When you do good, you get treated extra special nice. Only fair to get treated like shit when you are being one. Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaej_HbaqZU
I'm all for confronting white supremacists and xenophobes (which is essentially what folks mean then they use "fascist" or "nazis" these days) in whatever means is appropriate to the situation, which usually would not entail violence. However, when white supremacists are publicly out in force I am all for people disrupting their activities. I am not offended by an occasional punch of a nazi.
What I have really liked over the last year is that thanks to antifa getting out there and publicly confronting the nazis, other people who had not realized that white power was growing have stepped up to say "Yeah, fuck those guys". And that led to Boston, where a happy hugging anti fascist throng overwhelmed the city and prevented the nazis from gathering. Gainesville, where students and citizens again outnumbered the bad guys and inside where Richard Spencer was speaking they drowned him out by singing Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down". White supremacists were emboldened by Trump's victory but while organized white power is still out there, they have had to largely go underground and stop walking around waving their flags like they aren't the dirty scum. For many years people just assumed white supremacists were a joke, and look, our fucking country elected a white supremacist president. They are not a joke, they are an infection which we let fester. The good people must step up and let it be known that this shit is not acceptable. Make it funny, make it peaceful, whatever works for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs4P1kKK-5k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba8gVp3WaT0
As for successful protests, although the administration is trying everything they can to prevent having to reunite families, it was largely citizen outrage that put a slow down on the separations. Knowing now how (willfully) unprepared they were to ever unite these families again, can you imagine what a cluster it would be if they were still imprisoning hundreds of kids every week? Yes, I know this is Miller's plan because he believes that the USA is so filled with racists that people will vote for them BECAUSE of what they did. That may be so, but sometimes you just have to play it straight and say "Fuck that and fuck you".
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^^^ What she said!
^^^
What she said!
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^ ^^ What Alias said.
^ ^^ What Alias said.
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>>my vote didn't matter then
>>my vote didn't matter then and it won't 'next time' either
Exactly what they want you to think. After those ten (10!) rallies, you ought to know better.
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Who are "they"? lmao.
Who are "they"? lmao.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
#theresistance is doomed.
#theresistance is doomed.
Luckily, we have a functioning democracy that, even with its flaws, still allows for the peaceful transition of power.
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Really, Dise? And I’m the
Really, Dise? And I’m the idiot, huh?
Next time time you’re at a rally (every month or two is your pace, self-stated, so it should be soon), take a look at the signs being carried. “They” are usually the intended audience or subjects of those messages. “They” are the ones dissembling, gerrymandering, and obfuscating in order to lower voter turnout. “They” call limiting hard-won civil liberties patriotic. “They” stoke age-old racial divisions to further an economic agenda for the elite. “They” have fascistic tendencies, at least.
Watching the left eat it’s own tail again and again as the smaller number of conservatives stay organized and hold the reins of power is getting old and it’s fucking up the country for a generation, at least. Time for it to stop.
Have a nice day.
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>>>And I’m the idiot, huh?
>>>And I’m the idiot, huh?
I got this.
Yes.
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California always goes blue
California always goes blue for the GE there's no secret about that. You still haven't identified who 'they' are but when you do, ask them if the California vote in the GE cost hillary the election, or if it was the electoral college, mmmk? You have a nice day :)
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IKR, Mark? lol.
IKR, Mark? lol.
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>>>>Here's an article from
>>>>Here's an article from the The Stanford Review about noted terrorist and Stanford comparative lit professor David Palumbo-Liu.
>>>>>>https://stanfordreview.org/antifa-thugs-find-a-champion-and-leader-in-st...
Come on St. Mark everybody knows Stanford and Brooking Institute are known propaganda tools of the far right.
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Yeah, that's specifically why
Yeah, that's specifically why I posted that nonsense, Nugs.
Get on board here, man. This is long game work.
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Lmao, you guys never change.
Lmao, you guys never change. Never ever.
Well, Kirley says you’ve changed a lot Dise, but idk or care.
But watching your tag-team routine ain’t new and I’m happy to disrupt it. Maligning your would-be allies is fucking pathetic.
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Mentions Kirley.
Mentions Kirley.
Pretends he's laughing.
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lmao get back to me when Mark
lmao get back to me when Mark controls the outcome of the 2016 GE vote in California, dingus.
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My influence is admittedly
My influence is admittedly limited to philzone lolz and sometimes enforcing my 2 yo's nap time.
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As I recall from the picture
As I recall from the picture of Mark I saw posted on the old zone - he bears a striking resemblance to Stephen Miller.
Just a fun fact for those who note things here and file them away for later use.
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Looks like ol' Doxxy
Looks like ol' Doxxy McNarcsalot is up to his old tricks again.^
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I have narced on every single
I have narced on every single zoner. It's a world record.
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It's like a water truck and
It's like a water truck and vinegar truck collided in here.
Carry water for the right
The Soros's are coming BWAAH!
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Is that right, Six?
Is that right, Six?
I only remember the times you doxxed Dogman and Ateix.
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No, it's everyone. No zoner
No, it's everyone. No zoner left unturned. I've vanquished them all in the end. They are all in jail now. Every. Single. One.
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Cool.
Cool.
Thanks for stopping by.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan
With the creation of ICE,
With the creation of ICE, Congress duplicated an already bloated bureaucracy. We spend more on immigration enforcement than on all other federal law enforcement combined, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, Secret Service, U.S. Marshals and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
We spend more on deporting college students or day laborers than investigating and jailing, as Trump put it, “bad hombres.” Simple math will tell you this federal agency is a burden to taxpayers.
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You are welcome St.ephen
You are welcome St.ephen Miller Mark.
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Interesting lil tidbit about
Interesting lil tidbit about Doxing.
It was in the link I posted earlier.
The ARA (Anti-Racist Action) also pioneered a tactic known today as doxing — exposing fascists and racists in order to shame them in their communities. Back then, it was a lot more labor-intensive. “When you see someone passing out white supremacist flyers or not getting prosecuted for hate crimes, you dig deeper and try to find out who the person is,” explains an anti-fascist in western Pennsylvania with two decades of experience who goes by Lady. “We would make a list of their actions against our friends, neighbors and the community. We’d write it into a little story and put it on a flyer with a picture of them we’d usually have to snap ourselves. Then we’d walk around their community and put the flyer on light poles and cars. We’d usually call it something like, ‘Meet your neighborhood racist.’”
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Post some more tweets, TOD.
Post some more tweets, TOD.
Lol
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Nugs, please source your
Nugs, please source your comments. People might mistake those thoughts and words as your own.
Also, what you editorial said is a half truth according to poltifact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jul/15/luis-guti...
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6 should we call him St.
6 should we call him St. Stephen Bwaah!
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what ever return to sender
what ever return to sender
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>>>>> People might mistake
>>>>> People might mistake those thoughts and words as your own.
no way. if they don't originate in alternet, they have to be filtered thru alternet
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Did you guys know trump
Did you guys know trump donated money to the clinton foundation?
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/aug/28/david-plouff...
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Republican Congressmen Are
Republican Congressmen Are Pushing Anti-Antifa Bill
From conservative media obsession to GOP legislation, the bill could imprison masked protesters for up to 15 years.
KELLY WEILL 07.11.18 5:15 AM ET
https://www.thedailybeast.com/republican-congressmen-are-pushing-anti-an...
Protesters who cover their faces could spend more than a decade in prison under an anti-anti-fascist bill by House Republicans.
The “Unmasking Antifa Act,” introduced last month by Rep. Dan Donovan of New York, would impose harsh penalties on anyone who “injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates any person” while wearing a mask or disguise. The legislation, which could send people to prison for up to 15 years, mirrors controversial state laws originally designed at cracking down on the Ku Klux Klan. But unlike those state laws, Donovan’s bill is a direct shot at leftist protesters. And it might be unconstitutional, experts say.
“The thing I think is kind of funny is that the title is refers to ‘antifa,’” Ruthann Robson, a law professor at the City University of New York told The Daily Beast. “One issue there would be: is this law targeting a certain group of people?”
Robson is the author of Dressing Constitutionally: Hierarchy, Sexuality, and Democracy from Our Hairstyles to Our Shoes, which examines the intersection of law and constitutional rights, including anti-mask state laws.
“That would be a way to argue that it was unconstitutional,” she said. “Is it general, or just targeting this group? Because a law targeting some group’s expression would be more problematic. You could call it viewpoint discrimination. There could even be some equality arguments.”
Mark Bray, a Dartmouth College lecturer and the author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, which charts anti-fascism’s history, said politicians often speak too broadly when referring to the movement.
“Whenever I see politicians talking about antifa, the level of information they have is minimal,” he told The Daily Beast. “In a certain sense, they’re talking about what they perceive as leftists.”
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>> The ARA (Anti-Racist
>> The ARA (Anti-Racist Action) also pioneered a tactic known today as doxing — exposing fascists and racists in order to shame them in their communities. Back then, it was a lot more labor-intensive. “When you see someone passing out white supremacist flyers or not getting prosecuted for hate crimes, you dig deeper and try to find out who the person is,” explains an anti-fascist in western Pennsylvania with two decades of experience who goes by Lady. “We would make a list of their actions against our friends, neighbors and the community. We’d write it into a little story and put it on a flyer with a picture of them we’d usually have to snap ourselves. Then we’d walk around their community and put the flyer on light poles and cars. We’d usually call it something like, ‘Meet your neighborhood racist.’”
So the person DOXing people is anonymous? LOL.
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Nice try Pillman no Alternet
Nice try Pillman no Alternet
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>>> Post some more tweets,
>>> Post some more tweets, TOD.
Lol
Ateix - Incase you missed the article I linked earlier here it is again.
The Nazi-Puncher’s Dilemma
Inside the Antifa movement’s struggle to continue its long, colorful legacy of cracking white supremacist heads without alienating, well, just about everyone.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nazi-punch-antifa_us_59e13ae9e4b03a...
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Regardless of most anything
Regardless of most anything outside of an actual crime, doxxers are the lowest rung of the internet.
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Pfft! People who look like
Pfft! People who look like Stephen Miller are way worse than doxxers. It's not even a contest. Everyone knows this.
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6 have you explored possibly
6 have you explored possibly switching your web browser from Internet Explorer? It'll make you feel young again.
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No, it's actually doxxers and
No, it's actually doxxers and online pedos.
That's the bottom of the barrel.
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Your opinion no longer
Your opinion no longer matters, Mr. Miller. I am glad I finally doxxed St. Mark out for who he really is.
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Stephen Miller been with KKK
Stephen Miller has been with KKK Sessions and is a human piece of garbage. So I have no care in the world for what happens to that piece of sheep shit. He made is bed now sleep in it.
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My opinion certainly matters,
My opinion certainly matters, Six.
Your history of doxxing zoners is pretty shameful.
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Go complain to your boss
Go complain to your boss Trump, Mr. Miller. Have me stopped at the border.
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I'll have you put in a cage
I'll have you put in a cage and lost in a legal quagmire that will drag on for years, Sixxy.
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I look forward to the battle.
I look forward to the battle. I am the resistance!
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Good work in here Graivy.
Good work in here Graivy.
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>>>>I'll have you put in a
>>>>I'll have you put in a cage and lost in a legal quagmire that will drag on for years, Sixxy.
Don't worry six they will Catch & Release you. I don't mean the fishing term. Trumps new Obama policy.
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No, we're going to lock Six
No, we're going to lock Six up in a cage; and to be extra cruel, we're going to enforce a strict no buttfucking rule.
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Homophobia?
Homophobia?
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England will be a "Carnival
England will be a "Carnival of Resistance" during Trump's visit, with demonstrations planned at all points.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/07/uk-coalition-of-trump-pr...
Hodgson says his determination springs from his anger at the xenophobia rising across the country. “You saw it after the referendum here, people thinking you could have the old days back when ‘we ruled the world’ and ‘things were made in Britain’. You can’t turn the clock back.” As to why has he been compelled by this march, rather than the anti-Brexit ones, Hodgson is clear. “Trump preaches hatred and greed and he is winding people up into a furore. Those are like the Nazi rallies, it is that serious.”
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6 among fun of anybody for
6 making fun of anybody for their looks is pretty laughable.
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Timmy being an asshole is the
Timmy being an asshole is the norm.