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Vessel Logistics, a San Francisco-based cannabis distribution company, found that more than 1,142 acres of cannabis farms hold state permits. They can produce up to 9 million pounds of crop every year, but the permitted wholesale market can realistically support 1.8 million to 2.2 million pounds.

“Thus, even when a 50 percent cut in production is accounted for, a significant oversupply is unavoidable in 2019,” the report concluded. 

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article228...

 

Oversupply isn’t a bad thing for us consumers. I bought a $7 eighth (tax included() last weekend. Now, it wasn’t as good as the $20 eighth I bought the next day, but variety is the spice of life and nothing wrong with budget buds. Edible prices finally dropping around here, also got a 50 Mg THC cookie (technically 10 servings) for $6 too. 

Mids.

if that...

Weed still gets me high 

I also like a $50 bottle of wine, but don’t mind a $10 bottle occasionally.  Likewise, sometimes a can of Rainer hits the spot and other times I want a nice craft beer. Nothing wrong with joints of mid’s At $7 an eighth. It was still 15% THC. 

No federal bailouts for these famers, eh?

Phil Murphy said an oz should cost about $400 plus $42 tax.

 

 

^^^^^$400 + $42 tax seems about right for NJ.  When I was trimming / packaging manager at a dispensary back in 2015-16, we were selling eights for $60 and quarters for $120 including tax for medical.  So the number you cite doesn't seem out of line.

Is New Jersey unable to grow enough weed for a surplus? 

Still illegal here, Slack. 

Only medical is available 

The illegal market is substantially cheaper 

Once the legal recreational market is US wide AND the big boys fine tune their operations the most anyone will pay for bud is $150 an oz. While that may not be the best of the best, it will be more than fine for all but the most discriminating consumer. Those people will be served by boutique growers who, besides selling top notch bud, will also be selling the sizzle of "rarity."   

 

We just went to a store for the first time. Fun.

 

Oversupply isn’t a bad thing for us consumers. I bought a $7 eighth (tax included() last weekend. Now, it wasn’t as good as the $20 eighth I bought the next day, but variety is the spice of life and nothing wrong with budget buds. Edible prices finally dropping around here, also got a 50 Mg THC cookie (technically 10 servings) for $6 too.

this is the attitude that allows things like fast food and the low quality industrial food system to thrive in america - who cares where it came from, who made it, or whats in it...its cheap and fills me up/gets me drunk/gets me high.

i know lots of folks and have been to lots of farms that produce the type of cannabis that retails for around the $10 an 1/8th price, and its never a very nice operation. the old saying "garbage in, garbage out" rings true. if you are smoking low quality weed and dont know the farm it was grown on, there is very likely alot of garbage that went into making your garbage weed so cheap.

its common knowledge amongst almost all plugged in growers that you can buy test results from even the most reputable labs. if i wanted to i could send garbage moldy weed filled with pesticides to SC Labs, make a few phone calls, head down in person and have passing results to take the dirty product to market. its not just possible, its easy. especially when it comes to cheap weed, test results in CA mean absolutely nothing. 

in all probability the person who owns the dispensary you shop at is a profiteering blackmarket holdout and isnt looking out for you, your health or your product. nor is the state. they have the $$$ from their taxes and regulatory fees and they could give fuck-all about what kinds of molds, mycotoxins or potentially harmful agricultural chemicals a bunch of potheads are inhaling.

vote with your dollar is real. if what you buy tends to be cheaper, lower quality herb, that is what the market will turn into. it took decades to bring the beer industry back from having nothing available but the standard pisswater american brands, and if smokers continue to vote for industrial, low quality weed with their dollar, they will one day wake up to find that the small farmers who grow good weed have dried up, safety regulations have been relaxed, and most of what is available will be the cannabis equivalent of mcdonalds...and finding some good herb if you dont live in big cities or gentrified hipster towns will be the equivalent of finding high quality or healthy food in the bulk of middle/rural america - difficult with few options.

these coming years are the ones that will shape and define what the cannabis industry in america will be, and continuing to buy cheap crap will ensure that cannabis goes the way of almost everything else in america - food, TV, politics, pop music, most consumer goods, etc - cheap, mass produced crap.

 

>the illegal market is substantially cheaper 

 

medical marijuana was substantially cheaper than the "recreation" marijuana once all the taxes got tacked on. most people I know who used to buy "medical" are now just growing their own. and while it was always easy enough to find good weed on the black market, there was something very appealing about the variety and high quality weed in the legal pot shops. I do use the delivery services for CBD edibles when I can find a good deal. experimenting with baking has been hit or miss. I'm done being a guinea pig, last time I sampled a brownie from a batch I cooked up, I was trippin for 5 hours. Made me appreciate the edibles that have been tested and accurately labeled according to strength. And yes, I have too much weed, as does everyone I know who partakes. It's pretty funny actually. 

I get enough each year that I give it away to friends and family and still have plenty left by the next harvest. 

Black market around here now is $160/ounce at most for top shelf.

Edibles, body high

 

wtf, the emperor has no clothes

keep getting pesticide laced budget buds.

heavy metals?

 

turns out, you need skilled caring people to grow chem free...even then, it ain't easy?

^correct. 

It's really not all that hard. And you can keep your prices down even for the top shelf. Its the middle man making the money

Good for consumers, bad for growers.  With $100 pounds, many long time, smaller scale growers have suddenly found themselves without an income.  Many of these people had been making a living doing it for decades, and now they find themselves in their middle aged years with no income and no work history trying to start over from scratch.

Good for consumers? Sure, if all you care about is the price. Always amazes me how many people will go to great lengths to make sure they know where their food comes from and that its 'organic' or 'pesticide free' or 'free range', or blah blah blah. Some of them will then proceed to rip through an ounce of herb a week or whatever time frame and tell me its their medicine. So unless you grow it yourself you have no idea whats in it. That cool dude you get it from wouldn't bullshit ya, would he? nah. Keep smoking pesticides, and fuck cancer, right?

Hmmm

 

Daily marijuana use and highly potent weed linked to psychosis, study finds - NPR

 


https://apple.news/AjblOHk12RkuFQ1j7rShG4A

I think there’s more evidence that points to too much money causes psychosis…

 Kind of a long read   I believe it will be interesting to at least a few of the zoners I know

The Underground Marijuana Doctors of Texas - VICE


https://apple.news/AoHpFV-lERuaZHV-q1aNP6A

It’s a plant it should be free.. I love it pot becomes legal and all of a sudden all the capitalists become socialists. Govt must control production by limiting permits. If they want price controls why not use the same methods used for other fully legal crops. Not that those are so great or hey I have a great idea let the market work itself out in a free market 

Why can't it just be decriminalized and removed from schedule one.

 

The real money and solutions should be focused on hemp...hemp ethanol, hemp plastic, hemp bio diesel, hemp everything.  

Yes, you can have too much herb. When my dear friend Kenny passed away last year his brother called me to clean out his studio. Along with the numerous instruments and gear was around 4lbs of really nice buds. He had been a prolific grower for years. Pineapple express, big bud, blueberry NL, good shit. I was tasked with giving it away to Kenny's friends, 1 ounce at a time. Thats a lot to give away, and it wasnt as easy as it sounds. Considering that most folks grow around here, the normal reply was...I'm good, got a shit ton....Wound up making hash from the last LB.

California devalued pot many years ago with their own "War of the roses" and greed.

Does anyone else believe that article that long live the dead posted, or did you see the goblins hidden in the body of the article?

"Good for consumers, bad for growers.  With $100 pounds, many long time, smaller scale growers have suddenly found themselves without an income.  Many of these people had been making a living doing it for decades, and now they find themselves in their middle aged years with no income and no work history trying to start over from scratch."

While I think this is a bummer, and speaking as an avid partaker, I don't really feel sympathy for people who came up in the illegal world and then complain because the legal market has screwed them. First, they knew all along their product was illegal. There was never any guarantee that there would be any role for anyone in the legal market just because you grew illegally before. Second, man, I've seen those buckets full of cash, and not small quantities. If you were growing and never put away some acorns for the future, then damn, that's pretty dumb and short-sighted. Finally, everyone knew legalization was coming sooner or later. Here, there, anywhere. Keeping that in mind, if you want to stay in the growing business after it's legal, then start setting things up legally in advance. Permits, measurements, fees, whatever. Legalization is good for us all, for the planet, for the consumer, for the grower, for the taxes. So yeah, sorry for the several million you made and squandered over the last 20 years, but hey, I hope you enjoyed it while you could. Now, the rest of us want to live in a world where we can puff without being hunted like criminals. Know what I mean? :)

As for love matters' first article, the major flaw you find in every single pot study over the last 50 years is that for some reason (cough, cough, corporate funding, cough, cough), they're always quick to point out correlation and let you assume that that means causation. There has never once been an article demonstrating a biological or chemical causative link between cannabis and psychosis or other mental illnesses. What has been show is that there is a correlation between the two. To me, that means that people who are prone to mental illnesses are more likely to consume cannabis as it may provide them with a degree of comfort that they haven't found elsewhere. Of course, without proper therapy, these symptoms may be repressed but will sooner or later emerge as more evident symptoms. In short, mentally ill people are more prone to consuming marijuana but it may provide relief but not complete healing without therapy. 

AGAIN: there has never once been any causative link shown between cannabis and the biology/neurology of the brain demonstrating that it can CAUSE psychosis. But you know, the press never seems to mention that possibility.

And just to be clear: I have no problem with paying more for the high-quality boutique goods. I'm too old to smoke schwag anymore...

Legalizing and treating it like its still a drug and thats Its bad for you still makes no sense. 'Controlling' it is a mistake.  If it was just decriminalized and left at that it would all work its way out. The problem is these politicians 'agree' to legalize but still consider it to be bad for you...like a negotiation or something they will legalize but only if they can tax it and make a shitload of money off it. We never needed dispensaries before, you basically had to be cool or kind enough to be able to get the good genetics and if you were good enough you could grow your own. 

So it's easy to grow organic high end ganja on a decent scale?

Anyone know what tho6 is saying? 

G-reg, while I agree that the process of legalization requires careful consideration for all angles, I think you're way off that controlling it is a mistake. The plantations in California are an environmental nightmare, often full of pesticides and fertilizers being leached into the soil along with tons of trash and rubble. Also, why is it fair for someone to be pulling in a half mill a season and not have to pay any taxes? We all pay taxes. You don't get to just get crazy rich without making some kind of contribution to your society. If the corporations can't do it, why should the growers? 

You may be from Cali or wherever, but where I came from there was no 'be cool and you'll get good bud' going on. You had to struggle to get some schwag, work your way around the cops and figure out a way to not end up in prison, which sooner or later, most of us did. So maybe it was working for you and a group of people in whatever cool place you were, but that's not the reality for the majority. So, should all those people (of color?) have to end up in jail so that Cali and others can cling to the status quo? Fuck no.

And Turtle, I'm not sure if you were askin me, but no, it's not easy. I know that first-hand. But I still think it should be taxed and regulated.

^^it aint rocket science, but its work. Well worth the effort.

Hemp doesn't need pesticide. Control and regulate that. All paper products and most plastics could be made from hemp. I live in Michigan not cali..but i guess  since the early 90s for me it was all about knowing the right people. If it were just decriminalized the weed would get out and perhaps the inner cities people you mentioned could buy some grow equipment and grow their own or whatever. 

No more regulated than tomatoes.

 

Meh. Wake me up when there’s too much live rosin. 

6ravy, what is your comrade tho6 trying to say? 

I don’t even know what you’re saying....and I’ll guess you’re ignorant of live rosin, too. 

Young Rosin is playing live?

How much live rosin does it take for you to survive every day? 

You a morning toker or an evening fiend?

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>>Young Rosin is playing live?

precisely!