Drums live vs on tape are very different. I loved Drums when I was there, but I rarely listen on tape. The lights, the feel of the big drums and the beam...doesn't translate to tape, or even video, for me.
That being said, there were some epic drums that I LOVED. All 3 shows at Alpine in 87 were fantastic Drums.
Ha, yeah. They just gave Irish people last names of
what they had on their persons. Just can’t ponder
how anyone would want to see space more than one time. Watching those guys just dick around on there instruments for twenty mins doesn’t seem like fun for me
That's crazy talk. Just to be clear GD, with Garcia, first sets?
yup. i mean im comparing them to space also with garcia, not deadco space or something like that. but generally as a pretty hard and fast rule, the less singing there is, the more i like it. for me the jamming is #1 above all else and to many GD first sets with garcia just dont jam. the songs are great and if they had some jams i would like it way better than space. but 5 min of jamming in cassidy is not enough for me in a whole set. almost every song should be jammed out. that is the good part, and makes the following verses of a song so much more powerful. no jams = i dont really care. when i listen to the tapes i mostly skip over first sets except for 68-74, or i will just listen to a few of my favorite first set songs like BEW or LL>Sup and then skip on over to set 2. when i was seeing alot of post jerry dead shows i came to regard the first set as a warm up. not the greatest, but nessacary to oil and warm up the great machine to bring the serious goods for set 2.
yeah im def not saying one is better than the other, just what i am into. and its not that i dislike the vocals or first set tunes, i love them. but i love improv waaaaaay more.
I loved the second set jams but the drums and space, IMO, often took the life out of the room; especially when it was just one of the guys to come onstage w/the drummers.
Of course there were some killer themes in space that led to good jams but ultimately petered out.
for sure, drums is usually to long and on some nights the band was not 100% into space and it did take some energy out of the room...but at the same time youve got shows like 03/29/90(with the requisite single first set jam tune, birdsong), where some of the themes presented and explored during space is some of the bands best work of 1990. pretty much any drums>space sandwiched by verses of dark star is fucking killer.
space was at its best when it was noisy and grating but at the same time danceable, or at least containing something resembling melody, and when the tempo is high. for me, the space sections that tend to fall flat are where the focus is more on stuff like tone and texture of sounds, with each member each throwing out a few slow, drawn out notes drenched in effects.
i guess just having the chance for deep exploration, and being in a place where the band can take that leap is where i like to be in a GD show, even if that leap does not land successfully, which it often does not.
I liked the delineation between the sets and the way a show unfolded once the GD settled on formatting their shows. first set songs, second set songs, drums, occasional breakouts and outliers placed outside the norm. Formulaic, yes, but once JG kicked and the waters got a lil muddied I began to lose interest. The idea of a "breakout" after JG died became laughable. Do we really care that Dead&co played a new song?It was an EVENT when we were kids but who really cares now a days?
i thoroughly enjoy listening to drums and space. recently i have been diggin' the 78 drums-the long 20 min versions they did in 78, feb, may come to mind-great stuff.
but deadnco drums>space? no way.
>>>>>>when i listen to the tapes i mostly skip over first sets except for 68-74, or i will just listen to a few of my favorite first set songs like BEW or LL>Sup and then skip on over to set 2.
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I don't know, but I once saw
I don't know, but I once saw a show where the highlight was Samba in the Rain.
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Drums live vs on tape are
Drums live vs on tape are very different. I loved Drums when I was there, but I rarely listen on tape. The lights, the feel of the big drums and the beam...doesn't translate to tape, or even video, for me.
That being said, there were some epic drums that I LOVED. All 3 shows at Alpine in 87 were fantastic Drums.
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It was the best part of the
It was the best part of the Dead Co last summer for me - then I left
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>>>How bad must the show have
>>>How bad must the show have been to say Drumz was your favorite part of the show.
post 91' bad
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Lol. Drums> Space is my least
Lol. Drums> Space is my least favorite dead song ever, I think.
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And u call yourself a timpani
And u call yourself a timpani, tsk tsk
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space is always one of my
space is always one of my favorite parts. i like space better than most first sets honestly.
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I hear that.
I hear that.
one of the greater innovations of pl&f was actually jamming in the first set
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tool does a really cool drums
tool does a really cool drums.
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I liked about 50% of the GD
I liked about 50% of the GD Drums live, but only about 5% on relistening. I only liked about 10% of the Spaces live, and about 1% after the fact.
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one of the greater
all the best post jerry first sets read like second sets plus a brown eyed women, cumby, cassidy, bird song etc
and yes dany carey is a way better drummer than billy or mickey. dany also realizes it is usually best to keep the drum solo under 5 or 6 minutes.
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Ha, yeah. They just gave
Ha, yeah. They just gave Irish people last names of
what they had on their persons. Just can’t ponder
how anyone would want to see space more than one time. Watching those guys just dick around on there instruments for twenty mins doesn’t seem like fun for me
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That's crazy talk. Just to
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That's crazy talk. Just to be
yup. i mean im comparing them to space also with garcia, not deadco space or something like that. but generally as a pretty hard and fast rule, the less singing there is, the more i like it. for me the jamming is #1 above all else and to many GD first sets with garcia just dont jam. the songs are great and if they had some jams i would like it way better than space. but 5 min of jamming in cassidy is not enough for me in a whole set. almost every song should be jammed out. that is the good part, and makes the following verses of a song so much more powerful. no jams = i dont really care. when i listen to the tapes i mostly skip over first sets except for 68-74, or i will just listen to a few of my favorite first set songs like BEW or LL>Sup and then skip on over to set 2. when i was seeing alot of post jerry dead shows i came to regard the first set as a warm up. not the greatest, but nessacary to oil and warm up the great machine to bring the serious goods for set 2.
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I love GD first sets. I also
I love GD first sets. I also love vocals (especially Jerry).
I actually might listen to first sets more often than second sets these days.
Go figure.
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yeah im def not saying one is
yeah im def not saying one is better than the other, just what i am into. and its not that i dislike the vocals or first set tunes, i love them. but i love improv waaaaaay more.
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I loved the second set jams
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for sure, drums is usually to
for sure, drums is usually to long and on some nights the band was not 100% into space and it did take some energy out of the room...but at the same time youve got shows like 03/29/90(with the requisite single first set jam tune, birdsong), where some of the themes presented and explored during space is some of the bands best work of 1990. pretty much any drums>space sandwiched by verses of dark star is fucking killer.
space was at its best when it was noisy and grating but at the same time danceable, or at least containing something resembling melody, and when the tempo is high. for me, the space sections that tend to fall flat are where the focus is more on stuff like tone and texture of sounds, with each member each throwing out a few slow, drawn out notes drenched in effects.
i guess just having the chance for deep exploration, and being in a place where the band can take that leap is where i like to be in a GD show, even if that leap does not land successfully, which it often does not.
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"if the tunder dont get ya
"if the thunder dont get ya then the lightning will"
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I liked the delineation
I liked the delineation between the sets and the way a show unfolded once the GD settled on formatting their shows. first set songs, second set songs, drums, occasional breakouts and outliers placed outside the norm. Formulaic, yes, but once JG kicked and the waters got a lil muddied I began to lose interest. The idea of a "breakout" after JG died became laughable. Do we really care that Dead&co played a new song?It was an EVENT when we were kids but who really cares now a days?
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>>>tool does a really cool
>>>tool does a really cool drums
isn't every tool song basically just drums and vocals?
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i thoroughly enjoy listening
i thoroughly enjoy listening to drums and space. recently i have been diggin' the 78 drums-the long 20 min versions they did in 78, feb, may come to mind-great stuff.
but deadnco drums>space? no way.
>>>>>>when i listen to the tapes i mostly skip over first sets except for 68-74, or i will just listen to a few of my favorite first set songs like BEW or LL>Sup and then skip on over to set 2.
i do this a lot as well.