Thread Starting Workshop
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St. Mark
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Hey gang. As promised, a helpful workshop on starting successful threads will soon commence.
If you've ever started a thread only to watch it sink to the bottom like the weighted corpse of an unfortunate mobster, this workshop is for you!
We will cover:
1.) Thread ideas
2.) Thread titles
3.) Content
5.) Execution
6.) Thread hosting
7.) Dealing with trolls
8.) Bait posts
9.) Knowing your audience
10.) Thread bumping
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I mean I'm already signed up,
I mean I'm already signed up, but obviously really excited to participate in this thread. I'm loving counting carefully through the steps as you've outlined, 1–10.
All my favorite stationary nearby and accounted for.
Thank you, for putting this thing together, St. Mark.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
Oops, a double post! Ha ha ha
Oops, a double post! Ha ha ha ha.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Furious E
This should b beneficial for
This should b beneficial for all, even seasoned posters
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
9.) Knowing your audience
9.) Knowing your audience
Helps to start out on a forum such as this where the total participant number is in the single digits
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bluelight
I'm a sucker for #8.
I'm a sucker for #8.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Obviously the enthusiasm for
Obviously the enthusiasm for this project is extremely high, and I know we're all excited to get started!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
sorry, too busy watching
sorry, too busy watching sesame street and picking out socks. maybe next time your grace.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: |-|/-\|_|_
Furious E, will you be my
Furious E, will you be my sponsor?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Tim
Ill just get stoned and sit
Ill just get stoned and sit in the back row and make fun of your hair or lack of.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
That's a shame, Fly. I
That's a shame, Fly. I believe you would greatly benefit from some mentoring here.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
I’ll post some links to some
I’ll post some links to some failed threads so people can see what one looks like.
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/consensus
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff-1
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/moe-webcast-cap-tonite
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/mobius-onion-ring
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/yonder-mountain-stream-soon
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/love-spock
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/are-you-kind
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/tulsa-chris
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Thank you, Timmy.
Thank you, Timmy.
Deeply disturbing stuff there. Yikes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Links to jamgrass streams
Links to jamgrass streams will never produce more than a dozen posts.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger
This is cool will there be
This is cool will there be any PowerPoint slides? I’m better with pictures
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Oh, there’s going to be
Oh, there’s going to be pictures. Slacker will do a tutorial for us.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
Nick says you're a hipster.
Nick says you're a hipster.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Al
I have always enjoyed Mark's
I have always enjoyed when Mark starts a new thread. I look forward to this
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
>>will never produce more
>>will never produce more than a dozen posts
Whatever happened to quality over quantity?
No one cares about quality anymore. They just go with populism.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Six, that statement reeks of
Six, that statement reeks of the kind of underachievement we're hooiho to remedy here.
Stick around. You'll learn some things.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk
St. Mark, is Hoover's last
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: (~)};)StealYourFace
the edit function is your
the edit function is your friend...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Excellent question, Fabes.
Excellent question, Fabes.
Yes, advanced techniques will be taught to a small, hand picked collection of promising Zoners following the completion of the Thread Starting Workshop.
That class will be led by Timmy Hoover, with support from other members of the Jr. Admin Team.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Al
Please sign me up. Thanks
Please sign me up. Thanks
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk
Do low t zoners have a shot
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go?
Is this the actual workshop
Is this the actual workshop or is this pre-workshop banter?
This is my first workshop, and i don't know how they work shop.
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Al, Fabes; I like what I"m
Al, Fabes; I like what I"m seeing here so far.
LM, this is the pre-workshop mixer. Feel free to grab a drink, relax, and settle in. This is going to be a good one.
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>>This is going to be a good
>>This is going to be a good one.
Starting to feel like one of those "big announcement coming Friday" threads....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
We'll cover that in Section 5
We'll cover that in Section 5, Fishcane.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
hooiho?
hooiho?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba
Awesome thread, as i've
Awesome thread, as i've always had a very hard time trying to picture what kind of picture I should picture when picturing...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
>>>>>6.) Thread hosting
>>>>>Thread hosting
>>>>>Starting to feel like one of those "big announcement coming Friday" threads....
Mark is Nick?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Sixxy, Surfdead; we're gonna
Sixxy, Surfdead; we're gonna need y'all to move to the back of the auditorium. Thanks, guys.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
No problem. I always let
No problem. I always let those who really need these remedial classes get the best seats. I'm just here for the free hooiho, anyway.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
That's the kind of attitude
That's the kind of attitude that'll get you two posts in a 'This Day In GD History' thread, Surf.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
I would like to remind
I would like to remind everyone that Mark is volunteering his time and expertise for this.
I will be making a donation to Sensi Nugjar's 529c college fund. I suggest y'all do the same in recognition of this fairly unique educational opportunity.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
Already got that beat in this
Already got that beat in this one, but thanks for the encouragement.
You guys keep at it. Always nice to see the younguns trying out their wings.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Do we get a free meal after
Do we get a free meal after the "seminar"? You're not going to keep us past the designated time frame ... like those time-share "people" did?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
You get a "meal".
You get a "meal".
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Thank you, Ned.
Thank you, Ned.
As you can see folks, it's often the mindset we have going into a thread that determines the outcome. This opens our first lesson.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Al
Mark, are you planning to do
Mark, are you planning to do any 1 on 1 sessions?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
A few more examples of
A few more examples of threads that were complete duds:
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/groovy-thrift-shoppe-score
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/wall-what-wall
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/pil
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/attention-dungeons-and-dragons-fi...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
One on one coaching is
One on one coaching is available, Al. EMOTW
We'd like to invite all the Zoners responsible for the threads Timmy has linked here to join us. Your're the reason we're here today, guys.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Here’s a good example of a
Here’s a good example of a thread that could have put up some good numbers if the thread was hosted a little better.
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/reggae-zone
The lesson here is don’t start a thread and expect the community to do the lifting for you. I mean have you seen our community? Especially with so few active members it’s important to respond to posts in your threads and help direct the conversation while making others feel welcomed while at the same time smiting the trolls.
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Also it’s important to not
Also it’s important to not “over host” a thread. You want to get people talking to each other and not over insert yourself. This thread almost made it 100 posts but the OP ran it into the ground.
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/rainbows-unicorns-and-pecking-order
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Mark: I'm considering
Mark: I'm considering starting a Royal Wedding thread.
The thread will be welcomed and showered with praise. I think it can go 100+.
Thoughts?
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Topical threads can go either
Topical threads can go either way, Ned. It's important to have a strong and original position on the issue going into it.
For example, trolling Princess Diana. That could put up some numbers, especially among British Zoners. They're a sensitive bunch.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
I don't know, Mark. Seems
I don't know, Mark. Seems like the successful threads need to somehow involve PZ/VLZ hot buttons like guns, The Family Band, shitty sports like the NBA or maybe BMW drivers (we have an X1, for the record).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Talking about others and
Talking about others and framing admin as fascists puts up some numbers as 6ravy demonstrates here:
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/nestor-todd-least-one-joe-tulsa-z...
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All beloved PZ/VLZ material,
All beloved PZ/VLZ material, Ned.
Think to yourself "How might I piss off as many people as possible?" and use that as your Mental Point of Origin (MPO). That's the special sauce.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
we have an X1, for the record
we have an X1, for the record<<<
Everything has become so much more clear.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
FoM jumping ahead to Section
FoM jumping ahead to Section 7 here. Slow your roll, airline thread guy
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Chum rhymes with FUN!
Chum rhymes with FUN!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
I think this might be a good
I think this might be a good time to point out that posting identical threads on multiple dbmb platforms is a cry for help.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
FoM jumping ahead to Section
FoM jumping ahead to Section 7 here. Slow your roll, airline thread guy<<<
Is there going to be a "breakout session" for cross-thread troll responses?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
I think this might be a good
.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
>posting identical threads on
>posting identical threads on multiple dbmb platforms is a cry for help.<
lock.him.up.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Insufferable.
Insufferable.
FOM, start your own "cross-thread troll responses" thread and see how it goes. (Over/Under opens at 4.5 posts).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Al
Will ham samies be served at
Will ham sammies be served at lunch? I recall that ham thread you started a few years back was off the hook.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Being lashy-outtie and a kind
Being lashy-outtie and a kind of crazy can get you some numbers
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/symbols-all-pot-thread-0
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
JR has always been adept at
JR has always been adept at starting threads with a little something for everyone
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/things-zoners-you-dont
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
JR's thread is an excellent
JR's thread is an excellent example of a tried and true principle in successful Zone thread starting: Zoners love talking about Zoners. Threads focused on zone-centric topics are 74% more likely to be successful. Fact.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Insufferable<<<
Insufferable<<<
^ I don't believe I've ever used this word, I know it's not the first time for you (but again, the beamer explains a lot).
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Al
Will there be a chapter on
Will there be a chapter on the classic reverse troll move? As i recall dogman executed that perfectly on briank
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
who are you al gator?
who are you al gator?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Al
My old pal Turtle, i see u
My old pal Turtle, i see u
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Counter-trolling techniques
Counter-trolling techniques will be discussed in depth in Section 7. I'd like to ask that Zoners refrain from trolling in this thread until myself and the other instructors are available to support you through the correct execution.
For now, let's look at this epic failure of a thread from Six as an example of what not to do in Section 1
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/when-does-death-co-summer-tour-start
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
FOM...are you making
FOM...are you making judgments on me based on a car my wife chose to buy? LOL...talk about shallow
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Don't do this:
Don't do this:
http://vivalazone.org/other-stuff/capitalize-first-letter-after-colon
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Since when does "explanation"
Since when does "explanation" = "judgment"?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
OK, so what does it explain?
OK, so what does it explain?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Glad to see you've now
Glad to see you've now embraced "calm cool reasoning".
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Does one need to judge
Does one need to judge Charles Emerson Winchester to understand why he might use the words he uses?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
OK, so what does it explain?
Your lack of answering a direct question speaks volumes.
Again, what does it explain?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Al
1 final question. If both of
One final question. If both of the instructor's have been banned, how can they teach the class?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Gator, we’ll cover proxy
Gator, we’ll cover proxy posting and the darkwebzone in the follow up course.
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I like the ambition Al is
I like the ambition Al is showing here.
Anyway, does anybody have any questions on Section 1?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
For starters, it explains the
For starters, it explains the choice of your vocabulary.
A Winchester never "sweats".
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger
I Like this photo as a response I hope it’s ok
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
For someone who likes to poke
For someone who likes to poke the bear, you sure do have thin skin.
How's that for being direct?
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hsia
hsia
hooiho says it all
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
>>>>>How's that for being
>>>>>How's that for being direct?
I give it a four out of ten.
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>> hooiho says it all
>> hooiho says it all
Is that the subtitle of an undergrad philosophy text?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
nedb: we own a BMW
nedb: we own a BMW
FOM: That explains a lot
nedb: what does it explain?
FOM: you have thin skin.
Yes, very direct response.
Again, what does it explain?
Me pressing you for an answer doesn't make me thin skinned. I'm just curious what your answer is.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
>>Is that the subtitle of an
>>Is that the subtitle of an undergrad philosophy text?
You'll have to ask Professor Mark. He coined the term.
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Oh, okay. And you want to
Oh, okay. And you want to turn it into... a meme, right?
You might have luck if you walk around in 3D repeating it, maybe if you think about it while perched, like an owl up on somebody's shoulder.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
it's a cool word embrace it
it's a cool word
embrace it
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Section 2, Thread Titles.
Section 2, Thread Titles.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Insufferable.
Insufferable.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Not bad, FoM. A single word
Not bad, FoM. A single word thread title requires very strong content to get numbers, which we will cover in Section 3.
What are some other examples of successful thread titles?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
I'm laughing, but not sure
I'm laughing, but not sure about you know who.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Tim
Is it inappropriate to have
Is it inappropriate to have profanity in the title??
The word fuck always intrigues me.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Too long, FoM. A thread title
Too long, FoM. A thread title needs to capture interest without becoming overly tedious. Think of it as a teaser that will engage the reader/poster and inspire them to open the thread. For example:
Sixxy's Safe Word
See how that thread title tantalizes a prospective reader with the subtle promise of information/entertainment? It's an art, but also a science.
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Laughing, yet again.
Laughing, yet again.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
My safe word is now out
My safe word is now out thanks to you, Mark.
Hint: It begins with a "h".
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Just Jackin It venerated 439
Just Jackin It generated 439 posts
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/just-jackin-it
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Ross James is a Musical
Ross MF James is a Musical Genius
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Now, using our thread title
Now, using our thread title 'Sixxy's Safe Word' as an example, how would we effectively transition into content (Section 3)?
That's right; we would simply post "hooiho" in the OP. Do you see the artistry in the relationship between the thread title and the content there?
We've effectively and efficiently 1.) Grabbed the readers attention 2.) Implied value 3.) Remained engaging
That's how it's done. Any questions on this?
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I think it's pretty clear.
Couldn't be clearer.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain
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Tally hooiho!
Tally hooiho
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: charmskooldropout
Sorry I'm late. Does anyone
Sorry I'm late. Does anyone have a #2 pencil I can borrow?
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hey g-stain
hey g-stain
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Excellent. Now, some of you
Excellent. Now, some of you may be wondering why there is no Section 4. This is a fair question.
The reason, of course, is because the next step isn't actually up to the OP. Everything from here is a measured reaction to the response Section 1-3 inspires in the readership.
For our example, we might expect a response like
My wifee DOesnt pEG me You SUNOFABItchhhH1111!!!!
This is perfect, and will act as a bridge to Section 5 (Execution).
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6er has a bunch, he and 6ravy
>> Sorry I'm late. Does anyone have a #2 pencil I can borrow?
whispering: 6er has a bunch, he and 6ravy keep swapping them out between their fanny packs.
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excuse me?
excuse me?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
Oh sorry 6er I was just
Oh sorry 6er I was just saying you are always stuffed full of fresh pencils and maybe youve got an extra one in your fanny pack for Hounder? He showed up late?
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Sure. Always have a spare. It
Sure. Always have a spare. It's a good motto to follow.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
That's great I knew you'd
That's great I knew you'd have one in there somewhere.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Section 5 is arguably the
Section 5 is arguably the most important hooio in the entire process. Without strong execution, your thread is doomed to sink to the bottom in a heap of sad irrelevance, like this thread:
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/when-does-death-co-summer-tour-start
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Wow. That's some bad title
Wow. That's some real bad title gore.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
Hmm, seems a little early to
Hmm, seems a little early to be passing judgement on a thread that is still pretty fresh, but what the hooiho do I know.
I mean, that thread is still ATF on the first page of Viva - so it hasn't really sunk much yet.
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God, this is boring. Can we
God, this is boring. Can we take a break?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
There's not a lot of
I mean there's just not a lot of potential with a title like that, followed by that, frankly, limp OP. That OP is like the written equivalent of a flaccid penis.
No offense to OP.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
It's hard to look at, Ateix;
It's hard to look at, Ateix; but it does serve as a perfect example of what we're working not to do.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
ateix gets a boner when he
ateix gets a boner when he burns me. It's a fact.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: charmskooldropout
I'll do it!
.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
>> ateix gets a boner when he
>> ateix gets a boner when he burns me. It's a fact.
6er, that comment is sort of out of the boundaries of the purpose of this thread, and more than a little bit creepy.
Maybe reign it in a bit, old buddy?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
That seems very flaccid of
That seems very flaccid of you to whine like that. Reign it in? Oh my!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
>> Hmm, seems a little early
>> Hmm, seems a little early to be passing judgement on a thread that is still pretty fresh, but what the hooiho do I know.
I mean, that thread is still ATF on the first page of Viva - so it hasn't really sunk much yet.<<<
Wrong. That thread is doomed to fail, Six. This is exactly what we're working to address here today. Please stay focused.
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Btw 6er not sure what "ATF"
Btw 6er not sure what "ATF" means, but OP refers both to "Original Post" and "Original Poster."
Don't want you to get mixed ideas. I recognize it might be a little late for all that. I can see you're getting a little worked up.
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Above The Fold. Try google.
Above The Fold. Try google. It works.
Of course it could also stand for Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba
(No subject)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Ateix brings up a salient
Ateix brings up a salient point that relates to the bigger picture of Section 5; the true engine of the Zone is posters who overreact to content (Section 3).
Remember this, and learn to appreciate it. We can't be successful otherwise.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
>Again, what does it explain?
>Again, what does it explain?<
that there is a 98% chance that your wife drives like an asshole?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Furious E
>>>Wrong. That thread is
>>>Wrong. That thread is doomed to fail, Six. This is exactly what we're working to address here today. Please stay focused.
i have to agree and it's a perfect example for the 1st 3 sections of this work shop.
that title didn't grab me at all.
even a simpleton like Tulsa Chris learned early on that he could achieve more posts by phrasing the title in the form of a rhetorical question such as, "who likes fucking dead co?" Or " dead co. Summer tour, do u really wanna do this?"
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You didn't strike me as a
Didn't strike me as a newspaper man, 6. Interesting.
So, is that a vape pen in your cargo pants or are you just excited to be posting?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Turtle jumping ahead to
Well said E. I see Turtle is jumping ahead to Section 8 here. Let's refocus, gang.
Section 6, Thread Hosting. Now, taking the example I posted above, you should see the grim consequence of not being committed to your thread.
Get this in your head! Commitment is 80% of effective thread hosting.
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Good guess, turts.
Good guess, turts.
However, she's just a bad driver with no ill intent.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
The term came from newspaper
The term came from newspaper, but is now commonly used by website designers for the area that first appears before you scroll down at any given website.
btw - the Death & Co. thread was meant for one other Zoner to see. Never expected it to catch fire - and it already performed its purpose.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
oh i see ned.
oh i see ned.
she want to buy my Outback? $10K.
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Didn't strike me as a website
Didn't strike me as a website man, 6. Interesting.
So... vape pen?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
OMG an Outback....does that
OMG an Outback....does that make you a Lesbian?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba
(No subject)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
The other 20% of Thread
The other 20% of Thread Hosting is really where the art of Zoning comes into play. Showing up matters, but showing up well is what separates the men from the boys.
Here's an example of exemplary thread hosting
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/thread-starting-workshop
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
>OMG an Outback....does that
>OMG an Outback....does that make you a Lesbian?<
30% chance lesbo
75% chance granola friendly.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
OMG an Outback....does that
OMG an Outback....does that make you a Lesbian?<<<
And while you're at it, what is the vehicle of choice for "Boulder Yoga Moms"?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain
>>Here's an example of
>>Here's an example of exemplary thread hosting
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
>>>>>>Hmm, seems a little
>>>>>>Hmm, seems a little early to be passing judgement on a thread that is still pretty fresh
lol
It’s the freshest.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Excellent segue to Section 7,
Excellent segue to Section 7, G'stain. I can always count on you to turn the letters for me; like a fat, male version of Vanna White who likes to plays cowboys and Indians.
I am your Pat Sajak. Get me coffee.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Dealing with trolls comes
Dealing with trolls comes with the territory when you're doing good work on a successful thread. Section 7 is going to cover various approaches to troll management.
Before we get started, does anybody have any questions so far?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba
I've always questioned
I've always questioned authority, and since you're the authority, what question should I ask you?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
That's a broad question,
That's a broad question, Noodler. Let's stay focused on Section 7 here.
The obvious question is "How do I deal with trolls trolling my threads with their trollish trolling?"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba
Aren't they descendants of Mr
Aren't they descendants of Mr Trolley?
(my threads don't last long enough to get trolled, I figure they come in handy in the zones mycology layers where death turns back to life again, only with smells)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
>>>my threads don't last long
>>>my threads don't last long enough to get trolled,
That's precisely what we're hoping to change with this informative workshop.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
>>It’s the freshest.
>>It’s the freshest.
Certainly not as fresh as anything you have posted. I apologize.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Right on cue, a troll arrives
Right on cue, a troll arrives to our thread. Would anybody like to take a guess as to how we should handle this troll?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Special counsel investigation
Special counsel investigation so they can continue to troll for years.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Special counsel
Special counsel investigations will be covered in the Advanced Class.
In this case we're going to do two things. 1.) Quote the troll post. Now, some of you may notice this move is the exact opposite of the long-standing internet meme to "not feed the trolls".
>>>Certainly not as fresh as anything you have posted. I apologize.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
Only at Viva is an apology
Only at Viva is an apology considered trolling. lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
The second thing we're going
The second thing we're going to do is respond to the post. Now, there are a myriad of anti-troll defenses we can employ here. We will cover these options in more technical detail in the Advanced Class.
For now, the important takeaway is simply to respond. One general rule of thumb in counter-trolling is this: be measured in your response. Don't just fly off the goddamn handle an go all scorched earth here. For example:
>>>Certainly not as fresh as anything you have posted. I apologize.
GO FUCK YOURSELF RARRRRR!!!
Too much^. Way too much. Instead, try something like this:
>>>Certainly not as fresh as anything you have posted. I apologize.
Your wife fucks you with a strapon.
Do you see the difference there? The first reponres is angry and unhinged; the second response is factual and measured. That's what we're aiming for.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
scroll, scroll, scroll, fart.
scroll, scroll, scroll, fart. what a waste of bandwidth, and creepy too.
Make it stop. post counts mean nothing and this is weak sauce, like Colorado green chile
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Any ruling on what percent of
Any ruling on what percent of posts can come from the OP before it’s just attention whoring? A truly successful thread shouldn’t need constant massaging.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
Thats #11 BK. Im certain the
Thats #11 BK. Im certain the wonder twins will get to it.
or not...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
BK, go ahead crunch the
BK, go ahead crunch the numbers and let us know where Mark is at?
The standard set by Vorty was that less than 40% of the posts by OP before it becomes just padding the numbers. There was a whole thread about this due to Tulsa Chris and his over-posting.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Fly, what would you say your
Fly, what would you say your most successful thread ever was? You can be the judge of what constitutes success for this exercise.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Testy, testy...
Testy, testy...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>>> this is weak sauce, like
>>> this is weak sauce, like Colorado green chile <<<
Hey now, let's not attack an innocent, slow-cooked delicacy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
Hoov- I dont really keep
Hoov- I dont really keep track of that kind of stuff. I leave that to the people who feel self important about their involvement here. You seem to keep a spreadsheet or something. Its kind of weird.
Sorry Ned, that was a little low. I take it back.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
>>>>I dont really keep track
>>>>I dont really keep track of that kind of stuff.
Read: I've never started a successful thread.
Again, folks; measured and factual. That's the big takeaway here. Any questions?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
>>>>>Hoov- I dont really keep
>>>>>Hoov- I dont really keep track of that kind of stuff.
You just keep track of threads others start that you don’t like. Got it. Weird, but we’ve all got our “things”.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
Wonder Twin powers ACTIVATE!
Wonder Twin powers ACTIVATE!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
"I'm not really a fly."
"I'm not really a fly." [blows raspberries, pretending to buzz]
– Unknown
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Fly, you’re gonna have to
Fly, you’re gonna have to change your nickname for us. Looks like there’s more than two people that don’t think too much of you.
Wonder quintuplets maybe?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
well, when i smell shite...
well, when i smell shite...
I like fly. Less characters to type and suits my "fly on the wall" place in your (perceived) sandbox.
Why don't you just keep trolling for bumps, you know, for the database figures.
tee hee! what number are you guys on?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain
>>quintuplets maybe?
>>quintuplets maybe?
Dream on, HoovER. Having attix as your hipster lapdog or Magic 8-ball Slacker throw up a pic is hardly news—each one of you lives for/has been banned for the same.
Fly’s got your stinky number, too.
>>Any questions?
Yeah, who cut your hair?
J/K, we know you’re a bald hipster. Good luck with the Rogaine regime.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
G-stain,
G-stain
What you think you're writing:
What you're actually writing:
You're not really keeping your audience's attention.
Try harder.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
You’re his audience and he
You’re his audience and he has your attention.
Just saying...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
Oh, hi. Why are you
Oh, hi Briank. And, why again are you addressing me?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Meh...
Meh...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
>> Yeah, who cut your hair?
>> Yeah, who cut your hair?
Class, this is an excellent example of clear confirmation that your counter-troll has landed.
In this example, Gravystain stewed over being compared to a huskier version of Vanna White, and has returned to the thread to exact his vengeance. Obviously, this only serves to illustrate the fact that your counter-troll was effective. Textbook stuff.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
Exactly. Got it.
>>Meh..
Yeah that's what I thought.
Let me direct a similar question to G-stain: you run out of space in that thick dome yet?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
BK, didn’t you say you don’t
BK, didn’t you say you don’t participate in “these kind of threads”?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
>>BK, didn’t you say you don
>>BK, didn’t you say you don’t participate in “these kind of threads”?
My thoughts exactly. Him and G-stain are "above" trolling Lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk
Well i am ready to have my
Well i am ready to have my homework assignment ( ex zoner F’d in Ass) critiqued, although I think it would of gotten larger numbers if blueballs didn’t pull a dick move and point out it was a troll thread from this thread. But at the same time I know I need help.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: |-|/-\|_|_
Fly, BK and 6ravy always with
Fly, BK and 6ravy always with the [not always so] thinly veiled righteous indignation. yawn.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
I guess the alert went out on
I guess the alert went out on incelzone.net that Mark started a thread. I also assume Fo6 will be here shortly.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain
>>You're not really keeping
>>You're not really keeping your audience's attention
Your 10 min initial response time and three subsequent mentions of me says otherwise.
>>being compared to a huskier version of Vanna White
She’s anorexic. I’m good with it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
I'm sorry I rustled your
Sorry I took up permanent residence under that headdress G-stain
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
I'd like to thank Six, G
I'd like to thank Six, G'stain, BK, and Fly for stopping by to help us demonstrate some of the principles at work in Section 7.
You guys are free to head back to your sad little hovels over at garbage zone now. Thanks, guys.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
[round of applause.]
[round of applause.]
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: felina
Heard news of this workshop
Heard news of this workshop floating around the workspace...hope I'm not too late!
Above and beyond, Mark. Much appreciated.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
>> ex zoner F'd in ass
>> ex zoner F'd in ass
Wrong thread, BrianK.
But no I totally believe you that you're not interested in wading in the muck. Even though you just literally just accidentally posted the above in a thread titled "ex zoner F'd in ass."
I'll post it for you here, since you originally intended it in this thread.
Interneting can be so hard.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain
I’d love to stay and counter
I’d love to stay and counter troll a couple of you into another banning for shits and giggles, but I’ve got real stuff to do.
Later, haters.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
Sure, see ya later G-stain.
Sure, see ya G-stain.
Back to the incel zone with you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
i think I hurt some feelings.
i think I hurt some feelings. Sorry bout that. Dish-take?
What I want to know is when do we break for lunch. I believe i ordered the vegan box.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Felina, great to see you.
Felina, great to see you.
Fabes, I will personally provide feedback on your thread within the next few hours. We really appreciate your positivity and engagement throughout the course.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain
Irony: guy living with his
Irony: guy living with his mom, trying to insult someone as incel.
Have fun with your mom’s computer today, attix. She making lunch soon?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
mac n cheese or chicken
mac n cheese or chicken fingers or pbj (no crust) + juice box?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
>>>I’d love to stay and
>>>I’d love to stay and counter troll a couple of you into another banning for shits and giggles, but I’ve got real stuff to do.
And this, my friends, is the end goal of a successful counter-trolling campaign.
The troll, now vanquished, makes up some excuse in order to shelter itself from further humiliation. This is sometimes called "playing disc golf" or "going sailing".
That wraps up Section 7. Nice work today, class.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
Making fun of
Bye, G-stain.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
and this is when the real
and this is when the real trolls are exposed for thinking too highly of themselves. Will this be on the exam? Can't I just find this stuff on D2L or google? Is it too late for a refund of this shit biscuit of a seminar? i mean, the lunch sucked. all we got was an ego sandwich with limp lettuce
number 9 number 9 number 9
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
water flowing underground
water flowing underground
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
My apologies folks; our
My apologies folks; our trolls are malfunctioning. IT will address this during our lunch break. See you guys in an hour.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
there is water underground
there is water underground
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
"Viva is full of douche bags
"Viva is full of douche bags and assholes. Never going back to that piece of shit." – Unknown performance artist
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Fly: please.
Fly. Please.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
3.7
3.7
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
You may ask yourself, well,
You may ask yourself, well, how did I get here?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
When I met 6, he asked me to
6 asked me to meet up with him by looking out for the guy with fanny pack & cargo pants, true story.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
Remove the water at the
Remove the water at the bottom of the ocean!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
what was his foot wear choice
what was his foot wear choice for that day ateix?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
Old running shoes. I was told
Gross old running shoes iirc
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: KeseyB
Nice thread; appreciate the
Nice thread; appreciate the factual humor!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
better than i expected ateix.
better than i expected ateix.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk
Was he wearing an anklet?
Was he wearing an anklet?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Fabes, please post a link to
Fabes, please post a link to the thread you mentioned earlier, and we'll break it down.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
wow wow wow. look at the
wow wow wow. look at the numbers this thing is pulling down. And so insightful.
my notes so far: trolling only allowed by select few, deflection a useful tool for egomaniacs would can't "take it", people wake up way early to "viva", some people can't laugh at themselves, only others.
what else teach?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
yes, bored at work (for
yes, bored at work (for turtle)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
One thing we didn't include
One thing we didn't include in the syllabus that deserves a quick mention- one sure sign that you've knocked it out of the park with a thread is when threads talking about your thread begin to appear. Here's a few examples:
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/thread-starting-troll-workshop-su...
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/hooiho
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: |-|/-\|_|_
if you open those threads,
if you open those threads, you can literally hear gnashing of teeth. very strange.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Mandys mirror is strong in
Mandys mirror is strong in this thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
>>>>if you open those threads
>>>>if you open those threads, you can literally hear gnashing of teeth. very strange.
That’s just Fo6 eating Cool Ranch Doritos.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Lol
Lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Fly, you should log in to
Fly, you should log in to .net. BK says it's chill.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
yes, bored at work (for
yes, bored at work (for turtle)<<
Funniest thing in this thread
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sound and Vision
>>ll just get stoned and sit
>>ll just get stoned and sit in the back row and make fun of your hair or lack of.
pretty accurate.
stroking your ego again?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits
Discrete Thread Bumping
Discrete Thread Bumping During Flamewars
Usually a random lol,lmao, etc. "I didn't read this shitty thread but you all need lives", but be creative!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Charlie
If I have to go to the
If I have to go to the bathroom should I raise my hand, or should I just go?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits
lol.
lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Someone got an A+ in section
Someone got an A+ in section 2
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/my-last-thread
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Excellent work there, Ben.
Excellent work there, Ben. Very proud of your progress through the workshop.