Show your support Trump fans!

It’s amazing, I never picked up on the fact that Evangelicals and Right-Wing white-power groups LOVE Russia and Putin and have for years! I always thought it was Country First, but now I’m realizing that a significant portion of our population is actually Jesus first and White People first so much so that they fell In Love with Vlad while Obama ran the shop here. 

Pretty fucking amazing. 

Here’s part of an announcement/love letter that the Southern, Republican group “League Of The South” wrote when they announced they were starting a Russian language website for all of their Russian friends in their fight against America:

”We understand that the Russian people and Southerners are natural allies in blood, culture, and religion. As fellow Whites of northern European extraction, we come from the same general gene pool. As inheritors of the European cultural tradition, we share similar values, customs, and ways of life. And as Christians, we worship the same Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and our common faith binds us as brothers and sisters.

We Southerners believe in societies based on real, organic factors such as shared blood, culture, and religion, and all that stems naturally from these salient factors in the human experience. As fellow White Christians who are grounded in the sublime traditions of our common European cultural heritage, we believe that the Russian people and the Southern people are natural allies against the destructive and impersonal impulses of globalism.”

Can’t make this shit up.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/league-of-the-south-reaches-out-to-ru...

...

Is that you Ender? ^^^

Not understanding your POINT.

That looks like a guy who is big into Putin - see the way he’s almost putting up a Nazi salute? Crazy 

I think that's the dude who didn't know Puerto Rico was part of the US.

I bet he likes guns though.

Good point, racism in the south and in Russia.  Hadn't thought of that parallel. 

And how are "organic factors such as shared ..... culture, and religion "....organic?  There is no carbon in culture or religion. 

Factual Reporting: MIXED

Notes: Right Wing Watch keeps track of a variety of organizations, but the groups they track do tend to be conservative extremists in one regard or another. All reporting is one sided favoring the left, while attempting to report the right negatively. Right Wing Watch does occasionally take statements out of context and they sometimes source to far left sources. Overall, this is a left biased website that is mixed for factual reporting.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/right-wing-watch/

Your on to something neo-luddite...

The root is the link between Russian State Religion and American Evangelicals.

>> And how are "organic factors such as shared ..... culture, and religion "....organic?  There is no carbon in culture or religion. 

or·gan·ic

denoting a relation between elements of something such that they fit together harmoniously as necessary parts of a whole.

...

>>>>Factual Reporting: MIXED 

Here is the league of the south website: http://leagueofthesouth.com/

Here is the league of the south website message to Russian Friends: http://leagueofthesouth.com/to-our-russian-friends/

Perhaps instead of spending your time chasing down the veracity of my news source, you could have checked out the actual league of the south website to see if it’s true, which it is. 

Your effort to obscure this fact in an underhanded effort has been noted and is not appreciated. 

Bucky,

Real news sources aren't biased completely to one side. If that's what's you read and source from, you can't help but be biased.

League of South has only 9000 members and is only important as a "news story" if you are trying to make an inflammatory, partisan point. It's says nothing about Trump voters or the South in general.

Media Bias Fact Check: Ender 

Factual Reporting: Skewed, Misleading, Derp.

weird thread

Media Matters ^^^

Factual Reporting: HIGH

LOL

No there there Bryen.

So Hillary lost the election because Wikileaks published Podesta's emails exposing the DNC rigging the primary?  

Nostrovia Bryen! 

Bernie supporters already knew that type of $hit was going on but feel free to change subject from Treason to Whataboutism. Thom Jr. move!

Obvious troll says what? 

Bryen - This is a "Show your support Trump fans!" thread.

You've done that.

Now keep showing us just how much.

Why I’m No Longer a Russiagate Skeptic

Facts are piling up, and it’s getting harder to deny what’s staring us in the face.

By BLAKE HOUNSHELL July 20, 201

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/20/confession-of-a-no-lo...

Politico from wiki...

Ideology and influence:

In a 2007 opinion piece, progressive watchdog group Media Matters for America accused Politico of having a "Republican tilt".[62] In contrast, in 2011 politically conservative The Daily Caller declaimed Politico as having a pronounced liberal bias.[63] A 2012 study found that the percentage of Politico readers that identify as Democrats—29%—is the same percentage that identifies as Republicans.

     I realize I'm in the extreme minority here, I'm just trying to cautiously engage, I believe that you believe that Russia is the reason people walked into voting booths and voted Trump instead of Clinton, I am attempting to respectfully disagree, [humorous graphic aside...attempt at levity] I believe people rejected Hillary because she was a terribly flawed human being, I find it difficult to believe she was anyone's first choice on this message board.  As I've said before on other threads I think the world of you guys...I'd enjoy having a beer together and discussing politics, I realize this has taken on a polarized dynamic, I'm just making the point that all is not as it appears & beware the spoon fed narrative, Hillary lost because she's such a terrible person...my personal theory is she lost because the anti war vote realized she represented war in perpetuity, I'd love to hear someone's opinion on that in particular.

Who's got my hetty Russian stealie, yo?

Bryen I had multiple republican friends in the days leading up to 2016 election say did you see that thing on facebook about Hillary Clinton. Russian proaganda hello!

Facebook's Zuckerberg congratulated Trump after 2016 election: report

BY ALI BRELAND - 07/19/18 05:15 PM EDT

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/397959-zuckerberg-congratulated-tru...

...While many CEOs, including IBM’s Ginni Rometty, publicly congratulated Trump after his Election Day victory, few of them provided services that played such a pivotal role in Trump’s campaign operations.

Facebook also considered the campaign an "innovator" when it came to marketing on its platform, according to internal documents obtained by BuzzFeed News...

...Facebook's role in the 2016 election continues to be a topic of debate. The company has faced criticism for how its platform was manipulated by Russian trolls seeking to interfere in U.S. politics, and for its lax policies that allowed Cambridge Analytica, a British research firm used by the Trump campaign, to improperly harvest data on 87 million Facebook users...

>>>>people rejected Hillary because she was a terribly flawed human being 

REALLY???? 

Compared to Donald Trump, informed people decided to choose HIM over her because SHE WAS a “terribly flawed human being”.

Did these people think that the multi-divorced, casino-owning, multiple bankruptcies, racist liar was the GODDAMNED DALI LAMA????

Thats a load of shit buddy, and that’s my opinion on that in particular. 

If people voted for Trump over Clinton because they believe that he is a more morally sound individual, then those people are uninformed assholes. 

And people here don’t give a shit about a fucking war in Afghanistan unless their loved ones are the poor souls fighting over there so you can forget that weak argument as well. 

Trump is what he calls everyone else, a fucking Loser who gives a shit about himself and thinks he’s the Boss and everyone should bow to him instead of serving the citizens of our country. 

It's hardly irrelevant, it's the basis of the entire theory as why Hillary lost, to deny that is extraordinary.  Again, complete respect, much love, let me buy a round of beers, appreciate the discussion, thanks!  

"And people here don’t give a shit about a fucking war in Afghanistan unless their loved ones are the poor souls fighting over there so you can forget that weak argument as well."

I strongly disagree

>> And people here don’t give a shit about a fucking war in Afghanistan unless their loved ones are the poor souls fighting over there so you can forget that weak argument as well. 

Ok, we'll forget about your strawman argument. 

The reason why Hillary lost(taking the election at complete face value)

-- I didn't vote for Hillary because she's deeply flawed, it's her coronation, she ran the worst campaign in history, my vote doesn't matter, we need a change,  she's a neo con

-- I voted for Trump cause fuck that bitch!!!!  

-- The chorus of both -- 'the emails, pizzagate, Bill & Epstein....'  

You all suck... And I congratulate all of you for fucking this country!  Great job!  

's up, Bryen?

Maybe Cenk Uyger was in on it...

https://youtu.be/41I5prAOB98

Hey Let me ask you guys who think that Hillary and wars and the continuation of such wars were a big reason people voted for Trump, what specifically would lead you to believe that Trump would end all wars that we are in and not start any others? 

Please, thank you. 

I never knew President Bone Spurs was such a Peace-nick!! Is that why he didn’t serve in Vietnam?? Was he at the protests??

what a joke 

Here’s why Hillary lost. A large segment of our country couldn’t stomach having a Black President > Woman President segue in their setlist of life. 

DEAL WITH IT 

(I’ve seen that thrown on the end of internet discussions figured I’d give it a shot)

"Hey Let me ask you guys who think that Hillary and wars and the continuation of such wars were a big reason people voted for Trump, what specifically would lead you to believe that Trump would end all wars that we are in and not start any others?"

Comparatively speaking, yes, Trump is much less likely to engage in foreign entanglements than Hillary, I believe enough people recognized that to tilt a close election from one side to another, the anti war vote is not the biggest single issue voting block, but it's significant enough to decide an election...no one can deny Hillary made the calculation to position herself as a neoconservative in regards to foreign policy, I think history will show that to be a mistake on her part, mistake may be the wrong word, you're either a war monger or you're not, she certainly wore that moniker as a badge of honor, it became her identity and in my opinion lost the election.

HRC problems were taking banking cash & Clinton foundation cash donations. She also openly kissed up to military Industrial complex as a senator so as to win over GOP war hawks for a presidential run in future.

Enough of the whataboutism Brye Yr Thom (sorry Byren just having some fun appreciate the civll discourse)

I don't think it's "whataboutism" when the discussion is did or did not Russia impact the 2016 election, I believe people declined to vote for Hillary because they saw her for what she was, war in perpetuity.  

>>>>Comparatively speaking, yes, Trump is much less likely to engage in foreign entanglements than Hillary

Based on what? And please be specific!!

i can sit here and write “comparatively speaking someone who is 6’5 is obviously MUCH SHORTER than someone who is 6’0” but that doesn’t make it so. 

Please tell me specifically what or why would you think that Trump is “much less likely to engage in foreign entanglements than Hillary.”

ill give you another chance, thanks 

>>>>Comparatively speaking, yes, Trump is much less likely to engage in foreign entanglements than Hillary
"Based on what? And please be specific!!"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-military-idUSKBN13W06L

Oh so it’s based on the words that come out of his mouth, that’s what I thought. It’s not based on any of his previous actions because obviously he’s new at all of this. You trust him. 

May I ask where you were born and raised? 

Maybe Bry doesn't understand what indictments mean kinda like Trump not knowing what a apprenticeship was. Right Invanka...WTF!

"Why are you refusing to dicuss the indictments?"

feel free to discuss your points regarding the indictments, are any of them in regards to the the Trump Campaign coordinating with Russian operatives?  I think everyone has conceded their attempts to meddle in the election, what's the point you're making in regards to the indictments.  And again, I appreciate the discussion, thanks!

Where are you from dude? 

^^^^^Trumplandia

Mueller & FBI speaking with Manhattan madam who worked for Roger Stone

I am still not sure why I was called a Trump fan on my first visit here.

"Where are you from dude?"

All over really, I don't get out much, but I've snowboarded Wisconsin, it was more of a valley than a mountain, attended a football game at Camp Randall, been to a bunch of concerts in East Troy...one of my favorite Wisconsin stories was playing the golf course at Alpine Valley behind the stage the day before the "Family Reunion" shows, so me and my buddy are playing golf during an extended sound check, the sound of Phil's bass was bouncing off the hillsides for most of the afternoon, good times!  Really think the world of you guys, wish we could have this discussion over beers, I certainly respect your opinion & views, thanks!

Oh so you’re an asshole. Got it. 

FYI I don’t respect your views you probably don’t even drink beer you cunt. 

Hillary was a flawed candidate, between 25+ years of conservatives demonizing her (some legit, some BS), and her pro corporate, pro fracking, pro wallstreet history (no bueno for liberals),  it was really always about the populists (Bernie and Trump).  The news agencies gave Trump literal 24 / 7 news coverage (worth hundreds of millions $),  everyone was fascinated with what he'd say next.  Hillary, very little coverage, Bernie (nada),  the other twisted Refuckthecountrycan'ts (nada coverage),  the media was addicted to the Donald.   (If it bleeds, it leads)

When wikileaks broke, it looked like the corrupt RNC was joined by the corrupt DNC.  No way Bernie was going to get DNC support, and there are a lot of innuendoes (as there is with Russian collusion) suggesting unethical behavior (and possibly illegal) by the DNC.  Fast forward to today, and there's even more evidence on the mutual corruption.

What's different, is Trump had collusion with Israel, likely Turkey, and of course everyone talks about Russia (but there was a lot more going on that just Russia).  Hillary and the DNC didn't get it.  Many feel that Bernie should have been the candidate.  So it's possible to be anti-trump and anti hillary even though one identifies as being liberal.

One almost comical aside;  on Facebook,  i've got hundreds of very liberal musician / artist friends, and hundreds of very conservative mining friends, and it's fascinating to watch the two sides do their thing.  But i've never seen both sides so united in their hatred of Hillary.  Amazing how many shared the same memes, jokes, unflattering pictures, etc...   never thought she could unite the extreme sides of both factions (even if it was against her).

There were millions of pro-trump, and pro-bernie memes out there...  a simple google / bing search revealed piles...   but there were literally NO pro-Hillary memes. Found that to be really strange (as someone who's well known for posting memes, this really was strange!!!).  There's several odd examples where memes are readily available, and not.  The Bundy's take over that Oregon "rest area" (LOL), and there were a bazillion meme's instantly out, almost like they were at the ready when the news broke.  When that bird landed on Bernies Lectern, piles of memes came out instantly.  Nothing Hillary did generated any kind of buzz for the social medias, while the opposition was loaded with them (from both populist camps).  

Either way,  that demonization likely kept people from going to the polls.  Low voter turnouts was the biggest killer of her campaign.  Now as to what Jill Stein (Green) was doing in Russia before hand, i'd like to know.  I don't think Gary Johnson (libertarian) made much of an impact.  The mass media (all forms) gave Trump a free ride, and Hillary a free deride.  Bernie was suppressed by both camps.  

I think folks focus too much on the "black" / "women" side of things.  While there is many truths in some stereotypes ( likes supporting likes ),  most of the vitriol I saw on Facebook was more policy based, or personality based, rather than typical bigotry based (some exceptions).   Most of the hatred I see between camps is based on policy, or misinformation on how the other is perceived, but nothing new there...

Personally, i'd love to see the RNC and DNC brought down...    but it looks more likely the entire Trump administration is guilty of high treason, and should be (forceably) removed from office. (which the constitution supports in cases of treason).  But the the republicans in the house and senate refusing to budge, how does checks and balances work to remove this filth when the party in charge would throw democracy into the grave purely for the sake of winning / maintaining power?  

In conclusion, FUCK the Republicans, and shame on you DNC...

Good stuff Noodler

Voted against republicans more than for democrats

Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren wing dem fan. They go 3rd party so do I. 3rd party needed to call BS on partisan cold war. Break the "for or against" dichotomy being employed for political self enrichment.

Bucky...didn't mean to upset you, I made mention of the ski resort in Wisconsin being a valley instead of a mountain not to disparage Wisconsin, I LOVE Wisconsin, it really was a valley, I'd never seen that before, but you snowboarded down into the valley and then rode the lift back up, I just mentioned that because it was unique.  I've also been to the Madison farmer's market, unbelievable...one of the great towns in America!  

Druba...nicely done with the links this past tour, it was appreciated!

You didn’t upset me Bryen I was just letting you know that you are a stupid cunt! 

Sorry that you were confused and I hope that clears things up between us. 

TRUMP

1. Sick

2. PHONEY

3. Disgusting

4. PIG

SPDP 

Sorry you feel that way, have a great weekend! 

Now why would the FBI tweet this this morning?

Coincidence??

Tod, do you think Sergey Lavrov gave Trump an encrypted phone last year?

Then this at Noon.

response to slackers pic above ^^^

Is Cohen In There ( can't even slice right =Fail )

YOU Bet He Is

Dotard Don

The top espionage prosecutor in the country is heading out the prosecution of Paul Manafort.

Coincidence?

How's #theresistance going this week, TOD?

Have you guys overthrown that FAScISssT FUCcKING NAZI DRUMPF CHEEeeTO FUCKFAceee aaarrghhhhhh!!!!111!!! yet?

Tom, Bryen, do you guys think Sergey Lavrov gave Trump an encrypted phone last year?

boys, you need to pace yourselves or you're gonna end up like this

     From a sociological perspective, it's fascinating, it seems as if sooner rather than later this matter is going to break one way or the other, either the Trump campaign conspired with Russian operatives to gain an unfair advantage over Hillary Clinton or this will be revealed to be the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.  Kids will read about this in school a hundred years from now.  My guess, and it's mostly based on intuition, is the latter, when that is revealed it will certainly be an interesting moment in history.  It seems everyone is "all in", eventually the cards will be on the table.  

You’re a fraud 

    I think this is reaching such a crescendo as far as our society is concerned, we should know soon one way or the other...this darkness has got to give.  If it turns out Trump collided with Russian operatives and conspired to gain an unfair advantage and steal the presidency the very first thing I'm doing is typing the words "I was mistaken" on this message board.  Maybe I am mistaken, I'm often correct but I'm not always correct, no one can say one way or another, we're all just speculating.  

    The republic will survive, I'd say by late September we ought to have some definitive answer, as a collective society we're starting to enter a sort of "Alice in Wonderland" state of surrealism, it feels like it's reaching a critical mass.

    I hope everyone has a good weekend, I appreciate the back & forth...Bucky, I'm sorry you're upset, I think a lot of you & Badger Nation, have a great evening!  

     "This too, shall pass."

I think there is another phone in the soccer ball.

Seems like one party supports facts, like sciency shit and stuff, like getting experts together and throwing it all out on the table, try and devise something resembling intelligent...    the other is more about their God, and their tribe can do whatever the fuck it wants, with no costs or consequences, while they want to destroy, kill, slaughter those damn snowflake libtards on the other side (I blame that Newt Gingrich guy).   Pretty consistent observation of mine.  Lots of fun insults to go around, but when it comes to substance,  there's a pretty huge gap between parties.  It's no longer big biz vs the serfdom...  now both sides have their oligarchs.  (Support the Koch bros pipeline, or Warren Buffett moving that oil by train).  

(Had a family member work at the white house for 20 years, and the way the two parties operate couldn't be more different!)   

>>>Seems like one party supports facts, like sciency shit and stuff

You mean like how gender is only a "social construct", and we can raise children as non-gendered "theybies"? 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna891836

pinched at birth 

There's plenty o' crazy to go around these days, Noodler.

The reasonable and the decent will find no shelter on either side of the aisle.

"Poor plodding people, who other than name, try to remain exactly the same" 

Bryen  Bryen on Friday, July 20, 2018 – 05:51 pm

Bucky...didn't mean to upset you,

 

Bucky Badger    On Wisconsin on Friday, July 20, 2018 – 06:17 pm

You didn’t upset me Bryen I was just letting you know that you are a stupid cunt! 

Bryen    Bryen on Friday, July 20, 2018 – 10:27 pm

...Bucky, I'm sorry you're upset, ...

troll 

As the snowflakes continue to melt the resulting water will rise causing a severe flood. People up high will be challenged.  Sink or swim?

But it will end with a murder/suicide.   Melania fires the last shot........

Just to be clear it's not Russian "Meddling"...

"Meddling" is what the villain in Scooby Doo accuses the Scooby Gang after they've been caught. 

The Russians "Attacked" the US via Cyber Warfare and continue to do so every minute of everyday.

None of us know what went down and may continue to be going down.

I'm an unaffiliated voter who has voted my conscience for better or worse (e.g. G.W. Bush) for 37 years. Bounced between "center left" and "center right" over those years. Socially liberal with a fiscal conservatism.

If we are indeed a nation guided by the rule of law and where people are presumed innocent until proven guilty, then by that definition, Trump, his administration, his family, his campaign and the GOP at large, are to be presumed innocent until proven otherwise. That said, the rule of law must be allowed to run its course and that means the investigation must be allowed to be conducted unencumbered and if guilt is proven, those guilty must be held to account. 

Right now, the Mueller team, compared to virtually any and all other investigations in years past or those others (Congressional) associated with this episode, has appeared to conduct itself at the highest level of professionalism (tons of "no comments", no press conferences on big marble steps ala Ken Starr back in the day, etc.). While the Trump side has clearly taken the opposite approach throughout with individual lawyers - hired or not hired, associates, family members, administration officials, GOP party & Congressional members and Trump himself, all doing a huge amount of talking and spinning. 

Circumstantially, there certainly seems to be a shit ton of evidence that something went down (e.g. huge number of meetings, wild and growing web of contacts, etc.). When you factor in the approach by the GOP et al (first deny, then reluctantly acknowledge, but to only that one, then deny others, then reluctantly acknowledge, but only that one....rinse and repeat scores of times) and the large scale talking and spinning which, to me, really simply keeps giving the fire oxygen, it's getting harder and harder to think that there's "nothing there". Of course, one must also factor in that Trump's well established ethical and moral bankruptcy doesn't do him any favors either. These activities are not hearsay. They are incontrovertible facts which can be proven with a few clicks to Trumps own personal tweets and scores of available audio and video recordings. However, until connected and proven on a criminal scale, they are indeed, circumstantial.

Personally, I was not a Hillary fan for a host of reasons, but compared to Trump, she was the lesser of two evils. I live in NY state and have watched Trump for decades, well before he became a reality TV personality. From watching him blow up the USFL to listening to him debase women including his own daughter on the Howard Stern show, the fact that our nation elected him to the highest office in the land is a concept that I will never get over. Watching 30 some odd percent of the nation fall in behind him as his behavior on the national and world stages debase our standing and everything we at least used to stand for continues to amaze and sadden me. In this particular topic of innocence or guilt, I can't help but think that they doth protest too much. Imagine, if you will, what if Trump et al simply came clean right out of the gate with a list of all of the "meetings" or if they chose to have one simple message "we acknowledge that the Russians attempted to interfere, we will be immediately instituting sanctions against them to hold them accountable and we will be taking the following measures to ensure that they or any other nation will not be able to meddle in the future and we, in full support of the investigation will cooperate, not engage in public comments and look forward to the Special Counsels report"? That response, to me, is what I would want my nations leadership to follow. 

How are you guys going to counterattack? With force?

"Bryen, you mocked Russian collusion, you inferred that the Russian aggression did not sway voters, and others throw out the improbable extradition of Russian nationals charged. These are nothing but red herrings ment to discredit,  distract,  and undermine an investigation that has charged thirty-one people, three companies, and have had five people plead guilty, who are now cooperating with investigators.  Plus, the investigation has uncovered evidence which led to investigation of Michael Cohen. And then there's the Butina investigation. Evidence of Trump/Russia collusion has not yet been seen, but this latest round of indictments are getting closer(things are getting hot for Stone)

So my point is, that regardless of any measurable affect on the voters, crimes were committed. This investigation must be allowed to continue and the President needs to be held accountable for his obstruction."

Good morning, one thing I'm learning here is the notion that it's not about whether or not the election was impacted, but rather if or if not violations occurred...that's more or less the discussion point, correct?  If so, that's interesting, at that point what the thought process is in theory is to protect democracy, we're going to unseat a duly elected president, not because the election was impacted one way or another, but a violation may have occurred, is that pretty much the argument?

Also, I'm certainly not meaning to troll Bucky, I've tried to overly polite, maybe that's trolling, if so I'll curtail my niceties...like I said before, I'm just trying to cautiously engage here realizing I'm in the extreme minority, my intent is to possibly learn a thing or two about the dynamic of the discussion points, my gut feeling is this will break one way or another very soon, until then let the speculation & debate continue, it is certainly fascinating...and again, all the very best to everyone here, thanks!

>>> Good morning, one thing I'm learning here is the notion that it's not about whether or not the election was impacted, but rather if or if not violations occurred...that's more or less the discussion point, correct?  If so, that's interesting, at that point what the thought process is in theory is to protect democracy, we're going to unseat a duly elected president, not because the election was impacted one way or another, but a violation may have occurred, is that pretty much the argument?

Just so we're clear... Fuck no!

Cyber Warfare is War. Period.

Tod, are you a warrior?

"The violations are crimes. If the president violated the law through a conspiracy with Russian nationals,  or by obstructing the investigation, he should absolutely face impeachment.  The president is not above the law."

     So from now on should all presidential election results go to a "pending legal review" stage to investigate possible legal infractions?  What if Hillary had won?  Would a review of legal improprieties by either her or her campaign, whether or not they had anything to do with the outcome of the election, subject her to removal from office?  I suppose your answer would be yes, I get it...what I sense is happening, and maybe I'm mistaken, is this is seemingly taking on an "ends justifies the means" feel to it, a "by any means necessary" approach to "save democracy", when ironically it's doing the exact opposite.

Not at all Bryen.

David Axelrod, noted Dem, has been pushing back against rushing to impeachment for the reason you just noted. 

That said, IF illegalities are proven, then we must hold any and all accountable.

With regards to your Hillary comment. First and foremost, the notion of rule of law and accountability should not be a partisan question. If Hillary had won and what has played out in the Trump admin (secret meetings, denial of meetings, etc, etc, etc.) then absolutely it would warrant a Special Counsel investigation. I would take a minute to add here that there is video footage of Trump during a debate televised around the world accusing Hillary of "rigging" the election and refusing to say whether he would "accept" the results. 

>>> So from now on should all presidential election results go to a "pending legal review" stage to investigate possible legal infractions?  What if Hillary had won?  Would a review of legal improprieties by either her or her campaign, whether or not they had anything to do with the outcome of the election, subject her to removal from office?

Nice deflection Mr. Word Salad.

Here's what we know...

Russia STOLE American documents through a cyber “break in”, these stolen documents were then funneled to the Trump campaign via Wikileaks.  

They accepted and used these (knowingly stolen) documents to help the campaign.  

As the investigation becomes more public, we are learning how dates are lining up to what the GRU did and the actions the Trump campaign took in response.  

- Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.

- The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

-  Intelligence chiefs reportedly told the Republican president-elect, among other things, about the evidence pointing to Vladimir Putin's direct role in Russia's election interference. Their presentation, according to the Times, included a reference to a highly-sensitive piece of information: the United States had learned from human sources about Putin's role, suggesting American intelligence had come directly from someone close to the Russian president.

Bryen -

What do you have to say about this^^^?

Because this means Trump knew and is a willing participant STILL to this day.

>>> You are a troll...

ftfy

Consider:

1) Hours before he was set to sit down with Putin in Helsinki, Trump tweeted this out: "Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!" The US President blaming a special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election -- an investigation run by his own Justice Department! -- for the lack of good relations. Staggering.

2) Following a two-plus-hour one-on-one meeting with Putin -- Trump pushed for that format -- the two men held a joint news conference. In that presser, Trump repeatedly makes clear that both sides are to blame for the Russian interference in the 2016 election -- even as he continued to cast doubt on whether the Russians meddled at all. "I hold both countries responsible," Trump said in response to a question from the American press about Russia's interference. "I think that the United States has been foolish. We've all been foolish. We're all to blame."

3) In the same news conference, Trump said that he didn't "see any reason why it would be" Russia who meddled in the election. The following day, Trump tried to correct the record; "In a key sentence in my remarks I said the word 'would' instead of 'wouldn't,'" he explained.

4) Then, on Wednesday, Trump was asked whether he believed Russia was still targeting US elections. "No," he responded. But, apparently that "no" was in response to taking questions from reporters, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders. Of course, Trump went on to take more questions, so...

5) On Thursday, word breaks -- on Twitter natch -- that Trump has invited Putin to Washington for a second summit this fall. Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, on stage at the Aspen Security Conference, is clearly stunned by the news of a second summit -- and acknowledges that he still doesn't even know what happened in the first summit.

None of that is definitive proof of anything. What it does make clear, however, is that dismissing the idea that there is something more nefarious going on here is now willfully blinding oneself to facts. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist or even an amateur sleuth to see a very, very odd pattern of behavior here. And one that has very little political upside for Trump. His party universally opposes his soft stance to Russia and Putin. Polling suggests a majority of Americans do not believe that Trump performed well in Russia.

So why does he just keep doing and saying things that make Russia smile and America grimace? You can no longer dismiss any explanation. Not after this week.

https://twitter.com/Isikoff/status/1018991836629815302

>>> So why does he just keep doing and saying things that make Russia smile and America grimace? You can no longer dismiss any explanation. Not after this week.

If kompromat ("compromising material") isn’t a pee tape or the years of mob money laundering but as simple as...

Trump knows that Putin swung the election for him to win.  

Now knowing that Trump was informed, with evidence, by the Intelligence Community on 1.6.17 but he continues to lie about it every day.

It's an attempt to cover up for what Putin has on him, his Electoral College win.

It's that simple...

Right in front of our faces.

Putin taped everything!

75 + meetings publicly know meetings between Russians and Campaign operatives.

Text and messaging (years) between Donald Trump Jr. and Emin Agalarov (pop star) whose the son of 

Russian Oligarch Aras Agalarov with close ties to Putin.

Numerous meetings with Kislyak and high level Trump associates.

Etc, etc, etc...

Putin taped everything, that's the kompromat, the TAPES.

Top Republicans are fucked.

You know why they won't go against Trump and stand tall for the United States of America.

Because they've been taped too.

Some of you seem to think the Russian attacks couldnt change the outcome of the 2016 election. To believe that, you would have to believe their massive campaign couldnt influence less than half a percent of the electorate. Thinking what they did brought an extra 110,000 to the polls isnt unreasonable at all. Although that may be one of the more insidious reasons were saddled with Trump, being bound to an anachronism is pretty bad as well, not to mention the completely incompetent campaign Clinton ran. 

Nyet.  I vant Trump nesting doll.

 > I get it...what I sense is happening, and maybe I'm mistaken, is this is seemingly taking on an "ends justifies the means" feel to it, a "by any means necessary" approach to "save democracy", when ironically it's doing the exact opposite.

"You are mistaken.  The investigation began because of credible intelligence about the Russian operation. And it began before Trump won. Your premise is ridiculous and is an attempt to distort the argument."

Good afternoon, unconditional love for the group, I'm not just saying that, I really do love you guys, having probably never met most of you, I hope I've been respectful...I realize this is a minority opinion, it's my hope that through dialogue we can gain a better understanding of the discussion points...

"credible intelligence"

^ "therein lies the dilemma", and I believe we're making progress, would there not be an inherent conflict of interest if said "intelligence" had a dog in the fight?  Like war in perpetuity?

Namaste

    -Bryen

 "What we need is love"

https://youtu.be/vPZydAotVOY

>and I believe we're making progress, 

What you believe doesn't matter. Facts matter and you seem to have a problem with facts. Love you too, brother. 

Trump apologists are fucking morons.

Peace out. 

PEACE OUT!  :)

long time fan of Nancy in the Sky, one of the "greats" of the zone to be sure...big fan :)

Am I to believe everyone here believes in Hillary's foreign police?  Would Marley?  Garcia?  You'd argue that matters not, but isn't that the alpha & omega of a presidency?

One of the theories of human existence is the Gaia Theory, which is basically the planet Earth responds from the perspective of self preservation to various threats, some people, at least one person believes that Hoffman's discovery was a manifestation of the Gaia Theory...at the exact same moment in the timeline of humanity that we stumbled upon our own nuclear annihilation.

You could subscribe to the notion that there's nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be and we're all on this message board in July for a reason, if so, maybe collectively we can bring about a better understanding of the debate.

Namaste

    -Bryen

Edit: "Hillary's foreign police" should read..."Hillary's foreign policy"

https://youtu.be/OCiLxRCBf40

...the point I was making escaped me momentarily, but that maybe the Gaia principle took over on Election Day on an unexplainable subconscious level with voters "realizing" that Hillary would bring about WWIII?

I'd appreciate a legitimate response to that question, thanks!

https://youtu.be/P8FE03J_bNw

Sane people don't start nuclear wars. Whatever you think about Clinton's ethics, she's not insane, not stupid, not incompetent.

Trump is incompetent, stupid, evil, and insane. I'm much more worried that Donnie will get us into a nuclear war because he has no idea of how international diplomacy is carried out, nor does he care.

But not to worry; now that Putin is our lord and master I guess we can assume at least he won't attack us.

My friend Lee has fallen in with this orange mania. He's insane. He truly believes that all liberals think like so-called SJWs. And that's just the beginning. It's maddening. 

"You're right,  they have a dog in the fight. They are attempting to protect the US from a foreign attack, and to determine if any US citizens cooperated with the foreign attackers."

ok

https://youtu.be/qvC0klpk8nY

https://youtu.be/_9gfLMGj0NY

https://youtu.be/8V_hCqO6UQs

https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/trump-homosocial-not-homosexual

https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/all-new-viva-members-voted-trump

https://youtu.be/_DkwXuGk2x4

https://youtu.be/PNt3yfeQmA0

^ you watch that video and defend your candidate, you have the floor, goodnight.

Bryen, posting links to other politicians, or talking about other candidates, will never make the guy you are defending’s actions any more defensible. That’s just goofy.

 It’s clear that you and Thom ( and others? ) deflect because there’s nothing you can say that can make your guy a decent human being - I think you understand there's no glimmer of hope of that. 

It also seems odd that you have said numerous times that you love all of us. Bah.

Judit,

     I do have unconditional love in my heart for all of you, if that were not the case I wouldn't say so, but it is in fact the truth, if I am repetitive then please forgive me.  My point with the references to Hillary [and that last video really does perfectly summarize what I believe she represents, which is an unapologetic neoconservative bent for perpetual war] is that you can't have the never ending [what is it now 17 months?] Russia discussion in a vacuum, Hillary lost because she was a war monger of the highest order, it was her identity and she wore it like a badge of honor.

     I get that's not the popular notion, but it's the truth, people are quick to forget that in the mad dash to vilify all things Trump.  One of the reasons it fascinates me with this particular scene is I always thought as a community we were the embodiment of the anti war movement, yet it seems as if everyone here wishes Hillary would have somehow been handed the presidency by any means necessary...that seems odd to me.

     I feel like I've been pretty respectful, I certainly respect the venue, if there's room for a dissenting opinion I'll go ahead and grab the spot, oh by the way, I'm pretty sure I'll be proven correct, we'll see, love and respect to all, I'm not just typing those words, that's how I really feel, for what it may be worth.

     Enjoy the day, thanks!

    -Bryen

"Do you think you can address the issue without bringing up Clinton or the idiotic deep state nonsense?"

I'll give it a shot, then I have to go to sleep...I think the point being made here is that it doesn't matter if the election was impacted one way or the other, what matters is that according to the intelligence community, without a doubt, there is 100% matter of fact proof* that Russia hacked Podesta's emails and exposed the DNC, and that someday soon it may very well be established that an associate of Donald Trump was somehow involved, if so, that would trigger the process of unseating a duly elected president...is that correct?

* so far that's been Rosenstein's account at the podium a few days ago based on somewhat debatable evidence, I think there are people actually debating it, so by definition it's debatable [staying within the requested boundaries here I hope you'll agree, making a good faith effort]

Cool, thanks nor'easter, I appreciate that!  I suppose we'll find out soon enough, in all sincerity, I have a better sense of the debate than a couple days ago, so there's that...we live in interesting times.  Again, thanks!

https://www.expressnews.com/news/news_columnists/ brian_chasnoff/article/Trump-I-love-war-6630963.php

How Donald Trump Learned to Love War in 2017 – Foreign Policy

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/12/.../how-donald-trump-learned-to-love-w......

Dec 29, 2017 - But in his first year, he expanded every war he inherited. ... President Trump has maintained or expanded the wars that he inherited from his ...

Bryen -

Lot of Hillary hate coming from you...

It's ok to hate Hillary.

There's a woman on here from the West Coast that has made it well known (about as much as you) how she feels about Hillary.

She uses "Dog Whistle" speak such as yourself...

You know, "Warhawk" or "Warmonger" etc.

Maybe start a thread?

Lot of passive-aggressive, washy,  grovelling for attention, butt hurtedness deflection, cranked to 11, crying out from your posts.

So again...maybe start a thread?

or

Do you just have HDS??

(Hillary Derangement Syndrome)

     Good morning, I've been thinking about what seems like 2 rules implemented here...don't bring up Hillary, the Trump/Russia discussion has nothing to do with why Hillary lost...ok, I guess I can somewhat understand that, seems a bit convenient, but ok, fair enough.  The second "rule" seems to be "idiotic deep state nonsense" is off limits as well, on that front, we are to believe the intelligence community is/was a level playing field, that's a bit of a stretch, I think if anyone really had an honest assessment of that particular issue they would acknowledge the deck certainly seems stacked.

     I'm going to leave it there for a while, I've enjoyed the discussion, if you're able to catch any of the Open, it's on NBC, if Tiger starts making putts it could be one of the all-time moments in sports, I hope you guys have a wonderful day!

troll

Bryan you ignorant slut, you took the Russian bot bait hook line and sinker.

You are the perfect case scenario dumb fuck amerikan consumer, so stupid you long ago stopped thinking for yourself. You are the easy target meat.

Trusting only their sources that reinforce your ignorance.  Hows it feel being so detached from reality ?

The terms, bag of hammers and box of rocks are too mild for your kind.

Your mind is totally controlled

It has been stuffed into foxnews mold

And you will do as you are told

2016 democratic primary vote count: clinton - 16,914,722    sanders - 13,206,428

2016 presidential election vote count: clinton - 65,844,610   trump - 62,979,636

she beat both of them fair and square

Clinton beat Sanders "fair & square" in the same way Trump beat Clinton in general "fair & square" lol

,>>>>>Hillary lost because she was a war monger of the highest order

>>>>>Dotard is having a bad day, threatens to nuke Iran.

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1021472980118003712

<<<The reason why Hillary lost

The extreme hubris of the  DNCs policy of "elevating pied piper candidates", specifically naming Donald Trump.   They literally assisted, as a matter of strategy, in creating this monster.

Also, not visiting the key states she lost might have had something to do with it.

Again. Hubris.

>>> Also, not visiting the key states she lost might have had something to do with it.

Nope.

Voter suppression alone in those states gave you Trump.

California Stein voters?

Things I've learned in this thread:

• Russia's impact on the actual results of the election is irrelevant 

• Hillary's strength as a candidate is irrelevant 

• The intelligence community provided a level playing field for both candidates 

Trumps #2 Fanboy, Bryen.

You're like a professional golfer when Tiger was in his prime.

You knew when you went to a Tournament that Tigers was in...

the best you could ever do was 2nd.

So of course Thom is Tiger in this comparison.

Sir Roberto Weir once sang "You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know"

Good debate see you all on the pitch in November

Would this explain Trump's skepticism of the intelligence community?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/carter-page-fisa-applications-fbi...

^ "idiotic deep state nonsense" 

he doesn't care.

What a coincidence...small world

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/alexander-downer-clinton-foundation/

So Alexander Downer didn't have ties to Hillary Clinton?

https://www.independentsentinel.com/alexander-downer-was-a-corrupt-clint...

Bryen is incapable of discussing Donald Trump without crying ‘..but Hillary’

Bryen loves us..and hates Hillary more than Trump 

don’t be like Bryen

That Trump tweet ^^^ is signaling what's gonna happen in the mid terms.

The Republicans are gonna cry Russia interfered in our election for the Democrats.

All the while trying to "Normalize" Trumps STOLEN victory in 2016.

Only play left... Pathetic!

"Of all the gin joints in all the world"  shocking coincidence 

Next tweet: Due to Russian interference elections will need to be canceled until we know what the hell is going on here.

and from Bryen: Blame Hillary! 

Could the sock puppet be any more obvious?

Correction: "Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world..."

https://youtu.be/Qa8d-jwFwds

What are the odds?  I'm sure it's pure coincidence.

"The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok," 

Pete Strzok...where have I heard that name before?  Oh that's right, he was in charge of the IC creating a level playing field, making sure everything was on the up & up....suggesting otherwise would be "idiotic deep state nonsense".

Stand up guy

https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/fbi-agent-peter-strzok-escorted-from-headq...

# 2 Fanboy -

You do know why there has been all the attacks on Strzok's character right?

You've heard of "The Americans" FX series...

Well that was based on Counter Intelligence bringing down the "Actual" Russian spies It was based on.

Here's just a lil tidbit for you...

Peter Strzok was the head in charge of that.

Knowing that, is it really that hard to believe "why" the Republicans attacked him?

But we've been through that already.

So again, you got...

Strzok'd the Fuck Out!!!

Brilliant 

Good morning Nor'easter, I see your argument's been reduced to name calling...nice, classy.

What Trump is referring to is the media's complicity in what amounts to a soft Coup D'état.  You seem like a pretty intelligent guy, I'm surprised you haven't at least begun to recognize what's happening here.  One of us is correct and one of us is not, we'll find out sooner rather than later...I believe that you believe you're correct, and I certainly don't question your love of country, have a nice day!

Passive aggressive much^^^?

"Get me a Coke please."

We shall see, in the meantime, take deep breaths & enjoy this great country, this is certainly reaching a crescendo...I understand how people become absolutely certain they're correct watching some of this coverage, it's cool, I get it, you believe it, that's a somewhat logical outcome for a lot of really good people, some of my closest friends are right there with you, I'm sure you're a good guy and a good American.  I happen to believe I'm correct, there are very good people who agree with me, we are about to find out, and oh by the way...the republic will survive.  Enjoy the day, it is a gift, we're all lucky to be here!

When you get smoking gun evidence, please share it with the group, that would be newsworthy. 

"“I have not seen one scintilla of evidence that this president colluded, conspired, confederated with Russia, and neither has anyone else, or you may rest assured Adam Schiff would have leaked it,”  -Trey Gowdy, 7.22.2018

That's why you'll at best be only #2 Trump Fanboy.

Your derp knows no bounds.

https://youtu.be/Re72di5phM0

Take all the time you need, there's no hurry 

Checkmate?

That's what I figured, if that day ever comes, I'm sure we'll all be made aware of it...in the meantime enjoy the speculation.

 https://youtu.be/wxiMrvDbq3s

Ohh...he's an angry elf!

The President had a press conference today.

It looks like the EU folded.

U.S soybean farmers are happy.

some light reading...

https://www.steynonline.com/8667/tinker-tailor-clapper-carter-downer-hal...

America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It is a 2006 non-fiction book by the Canadian newspaper columnist and writer Mark Steyn. It forecasts the downfall of Western civilization due to internal weaknesses and Muslim population growth in Western countries and the world generally.

Wouldn't put much stock in what this guy spews.