The Contemporary State of Psychedelia

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In this ongoing series, I will be updating this board on the contemporary state of the world of psychedelic music.

Some briefs from the last 24 hours:

  • A Gofundme campaign has been started for guitarist Peter Walker, whose Woodstock home burned down in a fire early Monday morning. The guitarist, a mainstay of the Greenwich folk scene and contemporary of Karen Dalton, Sandy Bull and many others, later became close to Timothy Leary, providing the house music for many of Leary's LSD experiments of the mid and late 1960s. Walker, whose influence can be heard throughout the contemporary iterations of the "American Primitivism" scene, has recently recorded for Jack White's Third Man Records, as well as recorded an album with Wilco's Nels Cline and members of Mercury Rev.

 

  • Both Steve Gunn and Jessica Pratt have announced new albums set for release in early 2018, on Matador and Mexican Summer, respectively. Steve Gunn has announced a tour for Winter '19 where he will share the bill with Mary Lattimore and Meg Baird, who just released a collaborative album; Jessica Pratt has a scheduled tour in support of Kurt Vile (who is currently touring Europe with Lattimore & Baird).

 

I look forward to this opportunity to keep the Phil Lesh fan community aware of the cultural, philosophical, political and artistic goings-on in the contemporary psychedelic scene. Needless to say, the dual announcements of tour & album from two underrated gems like Steve Gunn and Jessica Pratt has elevated today to "uncommonly solid Wednesday" status.

Look forward to your (sub)missives about the scene. What is your feedback on Uni? I can see them busting out. 

I'm not really into a lot of the glam/art curve of the psych spectrum, so while I can't personally get behind them I'm with you and on them busting out. Can definitely see fans of Foxygen or some of the bands where garage meets prog like Ghost of a Saber Tooth Tiger, mew+, or even Tame Impala  getting into them.

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard

>> King Gizzard

Prolific, but for all the gimmickry and the huge fanbase, I have yet to see them put out a defining document as a band. 

The method they put out for releasing that open-source album (Nonagon Infinity?) was novel, allowing labels and individuals to press their own copies.

That said, there's a reason that our favorite classic psych band was known for minimal commercial product to tour behind, low-key visuals, and barely moving onstage.

music aside, this is a very exiting time for psychedelia in general as well as psychedelic drugs. the styles and sounds of psychedelic music have seeped into mainstream rock, pop, and hip hop like never before...there hasnt been this much psychedelic influence in music since the late 60's - early 70's.

rappers are starting to rap about psychedelics. ab-soul, a friend of kendrick lamar, as a song called "pineal gland" where he raps blatantly about smoking DMT. thats just once small example, but its safe to say psychedelic use has hit the mainstream, even in the mainstream hip hop world.

indie rock, or whatever you want to call the evolution of what was indie rock a decade ago, is incorporating lots of psychedelic noise and sounds, and again, psychedelic use is more common than ever in this group.

the john hopkins studies on mushrooms and the maps studies on mdma have really opened the public perception, and it now seems commonplace that most open minded people with some kind of experience with psychedelics or being around them have a very accepting view of psychedelics. most people now seem to understand they can produce profound spiritual experiences, whereas 10 years ago most people just seemed to think they made you feel funny and hallucinate.

this period of psychedelic use and culture is the biggest its been since the peak of LSD use in the 60's. but this one is very different, and IMO through the lens of history will be far, far more important to psychedelics than the 60's was. during this psychedelic renaissance we are actually bringing them into the mainstream, society is just starting to be ready to accept them, real meaningful research is being done, US governement agencies are calling for the rescheduling of mushrooms, there is a ballot in CA to legalize mushrooms, and the ways in with psychedelic culture are seeping into the mainstream are more meaningful and lasting than what happened in the 60's...the 60's are now seen as a silly caricature, something to make hippie jokes about, whereas the psychedelic influence happening now is much more subtle, slow, and will be permanent. 

the 60's were so close to the puritanical, nuclear family lifestyle of the 40's and 50's...it was just 20 or 30 years after the depression...anyone who think psychedelics had a chance if leary just didnt fuck it up is out of their minds. ikt was gaining popularity in research, but once the unchangable thing that is psychedelic culture started to show its head, it would be shut down asap.

if you had asked me 10 years ago, i would have said that none of these changes would happen in my lifetime...but here we are.

I am also looking forward to the upcoming sophomore release by The Claypool Lennon Delirium. There seems to be a groundswell of psychedelic music recently. 

Saw Mary Lattimore open for Julianna Barwick back in July. She's well worth checking out. Hope that tour makes it down here.

Agree, Daylight. I know it's been mentioned here before, but it wouldn't make sense to have this discussion and not include mention of Jesse Jarnow's lauded book Heads: A Biography of Psychedelic America, a great read.

Also worth mentioning is a quirky snapshot of the New England psychedelic scene in the late 60s that author/musician Ryan Walsh published this year, Astral Weeks: A Secret History of 1968. Cults, mafioso, Van Morrison, public broadcasting all figure into it, also a great read.

When's the last time you took psychedelics?  Did you go see music?  Do you make any music of your own? 

Approximately six months ago, I went out that night saw a free concert of experimental jazz at a conservatory here in Boston, and the music of my own making is done purely for my own enjoyment and I am patently incapable of mixing psychedelics and personally playing music.

Do you enjoy going out to see live music on psychedelics? When was the last time you did so?

>> Mary Lattimore open for Julianna Barwick 

Solid bill. Mary Lattimore is great, and she's really tied in with the Philly scene. A lot of her music is done with Jeff Zeigler, who produced the landmark album Lost in the Dream by The War on Drugs.

Nice thread and brilliant take on King gizzard, couldn't agree more.

will the next Steve Gunn tour b solo, duo or with a band?

.>>>>>the 60's are now seen as a silly caricature, something to make hippie jokes about,

 

And you were doing so well until this.

You and a few others may see them that way, but most people interested in the subject know that what is happening now could not have happened without the explorations and contributions of the psychedelic pioneers of the 60s.

Back then, we were just doing it - in real time. There was no thought of the future or of any political ramifications stemming from what we were doing - we just wanted to "be here now".

Mary Lattimore & Meg Baird LP coming next month, they were on tour recently

https://threelobed.bandcamp.com/album/ghost-forests

>>>. ab-soul, a friend of kendrick lamar, as a song called "pineal gland" where he raps blatantly about smoking DMT. 

 

Brave dude. 

Ty Segall & White Fence, Harlow's Sacramento Oct 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhWZ1HkWG00 

Old deadhead Jeffrey Alexander's Dire Wolves project new album coming

https://jeffreyalexander.bandcamp.com/album/paradisiacal-mind

The black community has been into ecstasy for a while.  Never heard about the use of lsd etc on a large scale.

Yes, I'm aware of Chance The Rapper.

One of the reasons I migrated to the electronic music scene in the early to mid-nineties was it seemed like the heir apparent to everything that blossomed in SF in the 60’s. After coming back into the dead music scene around 2005 it was funny to me that it seemed like time had stood still. Meanwhile on the EDM side of things everything kept evolving with Sasha Shulgin as and updated stand in for Bear. There was a whole world of new psychedelics in the 2C family that people in the Dead scene either ignored or just didn’t know about. Erowid sprung up on the web and there was dance safe, and hundreds of 500 hundred person plus parties every weekend, and of course that thing in the desert that were all drenched in the further exploration of psychedelia.

 

Can definitely see fans of Foxygen or some of the bands where garage meets prog like Ghost of a Saber Tooth Tiger, mew+, or even Tame Impala  getting into them.

Good call on fans of those bands digging Uni. Especially GOTSTT since the leader of Uni is also one half ot GOTSST. Add in the production credits of Dave Fridman and there is a lot of direct lineage and cross pollination in that mix. When I saw Uni recently I got that gut feeling that I was seeing a band that was just starting to hit it's stride. I was also amazed at the buzz the rest of the audience had. Since the night was a celebration of the life and music of Joe Strummer, and Uni's jam is nowhere near Joe's vibe, smart money would have been that they didn't go over that well. Not only did they go over well, a lot of the people there are still talking about the, including me. 

>>Sasha Shulgin

his PiHKAL and TiHKAL books are must reads.

Why is that guy special? 

Dire Wolves weren't bad. 

Alexander Theodore "Sasha" Shulgin (June 17, 1925 – June 2, 2014) was an American medicinal chemist, biochemist, organic chemist, pharmacologist, psychopharmacologist, and author. He is credited with introducing MDMA("ecstasy" or "molly") to psychologists in the late 1970s for psychopharmaceutical use and for the discovery, synthesis and personal bioassay of over 230 psychoactive compounds for their psychedelic and entactogenic potential.

PiHKAL: A Chemical Love Story is a book by Dr. Alexander Shulgin and Ann Shulgin, published in 1991. The subject of the work is psychoactive phenethylamine chemical derivatives, notably those that act as psychedelics and/or empathogen-entactogens. The main title, PiHKAL, is an acronym that stands for "Phenethylamines I Have Known And Loved".

The book is arranged into two parts, the first part being a fictionalized autobiography of the couple and the second part describing 179 different psychedelic compounds (most of which Shulgin discovered himself), including detailed synthesis instructions, bioassays, dosages, and other commentary.

The second part was made freely available by Shulgin on Erowid while the first part is available only in the printed text. While the reactions described are beyond the ability of people with a basic chemistry education, some tend to emphasize techniques that do not require difficult-to-obtain chemicals. Notable among these are the use of mercury-aluminum amalgam (an unusual but easy to obtain reagent) as a reducing agent and detailed suggestions on legal plant sources of important drug precursors such as safrole.

Through PIHKAL (and later TIHKAL), Shulgin sought to ensure that his discoveries would escape the limits of professional research labs and find their way to the public, a goal consistent with his stated beliefs that psychedelic drugs can be valuable tools for self-exploration. The MDMA ("ecstasy") synthesis published in PIHKAL remains one of the most common clandestine methods of its manufacture to this day. Many countries have banned the major substances for which this book gives directions for synthesis, such as 2C-B, 2C-T-2, and 2C-T-7. In the United Kingdom, all but phenethylamine are illegal.

 

I discovered that I love being stoned. And listening to tunes. And going to Disneyland. And beer. I love beer. I like many kinds of beer. Cold beer. I love beer. 

Lots of good stuff coming out of scandanavia

Øresund Space Collective  ~ Raga for Jerry G      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Spjz_iOU8

 

Sista Maj  ~ Series of Nested Universes      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0btJUvx00k

^ add: Goat for scandahoovian psychedelia

and Australia is a rich vein of psychedelia beyond Tame Impala and King Gizz who are both awesome live.   

Naxatras out of Greece.

Saw Feral Ohms a couple weeks ago, and Howlin Rain the week before that.  I was really surprised at the level of play from Howlin Rain, the best since the Isaiah Mitchell lineup.  Feral Ohms was also fantastic, in a more squally way. Looking forward to Lennon/Claypool in a couple of days.

I like to wander the bandcamps, came across a band called Sundays and Cybele.  They are Japanese and really like Pink Floyd.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmh0XE1yq8M

Also, The Magpie Salute is covering Agitation Free's Laila Pt 2, which gets them mad props in my book.  

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For years i thought this shirt Jerry wore said "MARS", pretty sure it says "MAPS", John Kahn is wearing a MAPS shirt on the bonus footage of the Egypt box set sailing the Nile


https://maps.org/

Lots of x pushing.

I know a guy that says it's life changing 

Well, I can't remember the guy's name right now, but I know microdosing is kind of the in-thing right now among a certain set. There was also a study a few years back about tiny doses of L being used to treat cluster headaches, which I thought was really cool.

As for music, the European psytrance scene was pretty hot until a about 5 years ago when it started cooling down. The big electronic music festivals over there are Boom in Portugal and Ozora in Hungary. Every year they grow bigger and more people attend, and there's some pretty die-hard trippers around those parts.

Here in Chile the psychedelic scene had a brief and small renaissance from the early 2000's until 6 or 8 years ago, and has now faded far into the background. There are, however, always 'shamans' coming through with Ayahuasca and sometimes Kambó (psychedelic frog poison). There are groups of people who do Native-American type ceremonies, usually involving San Pedro, Peyote, Mushrooms and Ayahuasca and occasionally with psychedelic frog-butt juice, aka natural 5meo-dmt. There's always something happening, but someone really needs to get down here with a barrel of clean L to kick start the scene again. Anyone? Anyone? 

Les Claypool seems to enjoy psychedelia. 

I love acid.

Sweet thread.  Looking forward to seeing it unfold.  

Why do we stop taking psychedelics? What do we need to start taking them again?

I've been enjoying Mr. Elevator and the Brain Hotel;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYKPaYbhjVM

Who stops? I've definitely slowed down but I try to clean the pipes at least once or twice a year. My setting is way different than it once was, however. I go be by myself at a crappy little cabin at the beach, put on deep meditative music and go for the heroic dose of some fun guys. I haven't been able to go this year because of time constraints and an excess of responsibilities, but I'm planning on going in January.

>>> Why do we stop taking psychedelics?

You?

If I was to guess...it would probably get in the way of your "house hunting"?

>>> What do we need to start taking them again?

You?

A babysitter and a kick down?

I did it enough to hear and remember the sounds that I like. I wouldn't do it more just to try and elevate bad music like edm.

 

"elevate bad music like edm."

Lol, it's one thing to say you don't like it, a whole 'nother to just discard such a gigantic category of music with one simple declaration. I'm guessing there's a reason that thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people like EDM as the accompaniment to their journeys...

Why do we stop taking psychedelics? What do we need to start taking them again?

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Wavy reminds: Sealions beware the domoic acid.

I can see that I'm being rude and insensitive to the people in this thread by stifling the discussion with questions like that. 

I'll leave the thread but lurk because it is interesting to read the personal perspectives. 

If you stop doing psychedelics, why did you even start doing them in the first place?

Space is, was and will always be the place

EDM is great for psychedelic journeys. Boards of Canada alone can fuel a nice ride.

 

>>>the 60's are now seen as a silly caricature, something to make hippie jokes about,

>>And you were doing so well until this

People who laugh at the past while grooving on the present are a special kind of stupid.

I stopped because I have to walk to the elementary school twice a day. Who cut back their usage because of children and what age were they when you dove back in? 

I slowed, but never stopped.

I had some psilocybin after breakfast a few months ago. Someone asked me to try something and identify it and I guessed psilocybin.

Worth noting: this interesting opinion piece about contemporary use of DMT was just published on medium.com, discussing recent studies and a little bit of history, plus some snappy speculative writing about its place and use in current society. A breezy read.

Meanwhile, sessions for Chris Forsyth's new album have just wrapped up, and the cast of characters is indicative of a really promising title. And elsewhere, we'll begin sorting through this year's releasing and amassing a list of the best in psych and psych-adjacent music from 2018 in order to give you a sense of what's going on outside the jamband scene.

Sturgill's show was pretty rocking psychedelic the other day. blew me away.

 

Every time I take a look inside inside that old and fabled book
I'm blinded and reminded of the pain caused by some old man in the sky
Marijuana, LSD, Psilocybin, and DMT
They all changed the way I see
But love's the only thing that ever saved my life

i took a 10 year break when i had kids.

felt like the right thing to do...

>EDM is great for psychedelic journeys. Boards of Canada alone can fuel a nice ride.

FYI, EDM is a term that was coined in the late 2000s early 2010s to describe the highly commercial and corporate-friendly dance music that folks like Avicii and Swedish Dance Mafia were doing. Aside from the 4 on the floor beat, it sounds quite different than the house, trance and techno that came before it - it sounds NOTHING like the Chicago acid house popularized during the UK's "Summer of Love" when acid house and Ecstasy hit their shores at the same time, nor does it sound anything like classic 80s/90s Detroit techno. (P.S. EDM sucks) 

Boards of Canada predates that term by over 10 years. The term at the time for that type stuff was downtempo, or ambient beat music, or just electronica.

I would HIGHLY recommend Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient Works (esp. Vol. 2) as a starting point. It's from the late 80s/90s which many consider to be the golden age of beat driven electronic music.

 

 

Is Marin County swing a thing? 

You are mostly correct HotnannySF, as I meant to post IDM - but EDM came out.

Also - BOC was often called ambient electronica - not so much downtempo although some of their music shares much with downtempo music.

What is idm?

Oh yeah IDM that's like Autechre, later Aphex Twin, Squarepusher.... and even lots of the glitchy electronic music like the Mille Plateaux label, Clicks and Cuts compilation, even Basic Channel and more minimal stuff that sound like you're washing the underside of a big steel boat. Love that stuff. Saw a bunch of it in SF in the early 2000s including Autechre and Squarepusher. Kit Clayton is a dude here who did a bunch of great stuff too   

>>Is Marin County swing a thing? 

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George Harrison 

Be Here Now

https://youtu.be/He2yrzwgTtI

 

Albert Hoffman

Hofmann's Potion 

https://youtu.be/OpSLjdPiSH8

 

My favorite line from the film...

 

"Many would come to view it as a spiritual anecdote to the Atom Bomb"

 

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The Best of George Harrison

 

https://youtu.be/oJz3qEOhoUM

 

A Whiter Shade Of Pale - Procol Harum 1967

https://youtu.be/Mb3iPP-tHdA

 

 

Astronomy Domine - Pink Floyd 1970

https://youtu.be/5uj8IIzbrv8

 

New Potato Caboose - Psychedelia

https://youtu.be/GOS1NLMHEcM

>>>and even lots of the glitchy electronic music

Like Burial? Or is he later glitch?

 

What kind of music is Four Tet?

 

And where do you put music like Grouper and other JOMF offshoots?

 

I like the music and don't always pay attention to the labels - so thank you for your lessons.

I think Burial is a weird mix of dubstep and Basic Channel type sub aquatic techno. Not my thing but not bad at all.

Four Tet guy makes a hybrid indie rock electronica stew. I think that stuff changed over the years so hard to pin down with terminology

Grouper/JOMF stuff is all just direct or indirect descendants of the 90s Drunken Fish/Roy Montgomery/Flying Saucer Attack style heavy drone psych.

Just look at that discography.... one of the most underappreciated psych rock labels ever. So much good stuff

https://www.discogs.com/label/23611-Drunken-Fish-Records

Of course, not everyone loves heavy distorted delayed feedback guitar on every song....it's like punk rock meets John Cale/Tony Conrad with some cheap weed and wine

Why would one stop, it opens your mind to exploration beyond any  realm...:)  I recently went to a wonderful festival local to me, the musicians are very talented and take you places that I forgot I could go. Since getting sick i find that it helps me, in limited amounts and when it feels right...I drop.

Not so much to get high or f'd up ( I don't drink or do any other drugs...ever) but to "be" in a state of "me" and "us" ...it's beautiful and very relaxing. Def helps with anxiety and this article hits it on pretty good. For me it has to be with really good music, at that little festival I actually ....saw thru time, it was just perfect ..;)



Here is a good read, I totally believe in this....

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/magazine/how-psychedelic-drugs-can-he...




Hope everyone is fine, I popped in and the title caught my attention.

I like heavy distorted delayed feedback guitar on lots but not all songs. 

 

Really nice piece about the Grateful Dead's cultural legacy in modern times, touching on aspects from the cosmetic and mundane, down to the influence that the band has had on underground / DIY culture.

While Deadhead culture has continued to operate as a diminished, but consistent, force since Jerry Garcia’s death in 1995, in the last several years, it’s seemed closer to mainstream acceptance than any time since the early 90s. The Day of the Dead compilation, released in 2016, outed indie rock titans as fans, suggesting that if the National, Kurt Vile, Unknown Mortal Orchestra, and Courtney Barnett found the music worthy of exploration, maybe there was broader appeal than previously thought. Misguided thinkpieces on the resurgence in fashion publications spring up seasonally, with many seemingly baffled as to the Grateful Dead’s newfound popularity. And it would be negligent to not mention that a genuine pop star, the attention magnet that is John Mayer, is currently touring in the Garcia role with three of the band’s original members as Dead & Company.

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/pa5edb/grateful-dead-cover-band-re...

 

Meantime, the murals of this research library in Mexico City are worth checking out if you're looking for some eye-popping visuals:

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https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/biblioteca-miguel-lerdo-de-tejada

Ty Segall's cover of St. Stephen from his new covers record Fudge Sandwich

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IUJSjnC6e8

That didn't work. 

I love American stuff but right now I'd be really interested to learn of any really great Brazilian psych-folk or spacy Brazilian rock. Stuff with flutes is great.

Love the album that this song is on:
https://youtu.be/7N-DxLMGVAQ

Gonna try soon to compile some favorites that came out this year or relatively recently. It's been low-key a great year for psych music. Thanks for all the links, Hotnanny and everybody. Nice thread.

What didn't work, Knothead?

 

any of you new yoker people go to COSM Alex Grey's new place?

they have lots of things going on.

Yeah. I'm not a Yawker, but I've been to Alex Gray's compound. It's in Poughkeepsie, assuming it's still the same place.

My buddy used to book this Brazilian band called Garotas Suecas, not sure of their status these days. Don't know much on current psych down under

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzwsdjCK2Ew

Your comment though Ateix immediately makes me think of the great Paebiru LP by Lula Cortes & Ze Ramalho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUyvtwSV6A8

Nice, thanks.

I did not dig the St. Stephen. 

> I'd be really interested to learn of any really great Brazilian psych-folk or spacy Brazilian rock

You might want to give Boogarins a shot.

Low rider sucked but I'm a Man ain't bad.

Oh yeah I forgot about Boogarins. They have nice music but sound very American. Nothing wrong with that but there are many bands playing that style of indie rock 

...countless others are participants in something broader than themselves, vital players in an ecosystem of audio obsessives, mystery-loving historians, and completist fans...

"The Invisible Hit Parade: How Unofficial Recordings Have Flowered in the 21st Century" (link) by Jesse Jarnow​​

Worthwhile read on taping in the digital age, by the author of Heads. A veritable crash-course in audience taping from Charlie Parker to NYCTaper.

Speaking of "Head",  tempted to watch the cheesy movie from 1968 with "the Monkeys". Tomorrow (Weds, Dec 4) is the 25 anniversary of Frank Zappa's death, and he's got a great cameo in it.

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Wow, thanks for the update.


For Emily Whenever I May Find Her

https://youtu.be/Li0-PXsrRHs

https://www.e-chords.com/chords/simon-garfunkel/for-emily-whenever-i-may...


What a dream I had
Pressed in organdy
Clothed in crinoline of smokey burgundy
Softer than the rain
I wandered empty streets
Down past the shop displays
I heard cathedral bells
Tripping down the alleyways
As I walked on

And when you ran to me
Your cheeks flushed with the night
We walked on frosted fields
Of juniper and lamplight
I held your hand

And when I awoke and felt you warm and near
I kissed your honey hair with my grateful tears
Oh, I love you, girl
Oh, I love you

"without the explorations and contributions of the psychedelic pioneers of the 60s."

Plenty was going on in the 50's for those that were paying attention.  A strong argument can be made that lots of folks in the 60's got in the way of progress that was already being made.

^^^Head...w part writing credit to Nicholson, and besides Franks cameo, you have a Teri (still spelled terry) Garr appearance, and a Sonny Liston cameo.

 

Through somewhat of a fog, i kind of remember watching this once....may have to revisit this re-release etc, just for laughs.