Now that the Russia scam has been disproven

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    ...the zone seems less political, kind of reminiscent of a simpler day, I wonder if it will have a similar effect on society as a whole, the zone being a microcosm and all.  
     A hundred years from now there will be college courses taught on how a collection of media organizations and elements from within the government knowingly brainwashed an entire society in an attempted coup attempt to overturn a presidential election...it's fascinating, from both a sociological & an anthropological perspective.
     

You're engaging in Sedition

 

     ^ the irony of that statement 

I don’t know if it’s been disproven or not, but what’s more important is that John McCain didn’t personally thank Trump for his awesome funeral. What a dick!

 

 

     "I don’t know if it’s been disproven or not"

     yeah right

Well, buddy, if every day you come on here saying that today it will be disproven, one of these days you may be correct - or not. As you know, I’m not convinced either way.

But can we get back to what’s really important, McCain being ungrateful and Kellyanne Conway’s husband being a loser?

Why do you do this here bryen? Stand up comedy practice

 

     Let me clean that up a bit...

     A hundred years from now there will be college courses taught on how a collection of media organizations and elements from within the government knowingly brainwashed an entire society in an attempted coup to overturn a presidential election...it's fascinating, from both a sociological & an anthropological perspective.
     

Trump is garbage regardless of collusion or not. 

If he isn't involved with Russia, there are still so many scumbag moves at this point that he should just step down.

The man is an American disgrace.

He is involved.  

 

     Thus begins the great pivot, "Now that the biggest political scam in the history of American politics is revealed...it doesn't matter because of x, y & z" this will certainly be interesting...please continue.

Do you have inside info that it has categorically been disproven? I haven’t yet seen it.

I repeat:  you are engaging in Sedition.

 

     If you'd call inside info access to cable television & the internet, then yes I do.

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies that we know of — the latest being longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone.  That group is composed of six former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including five of the six former Trump advisers) have pleaded guilty.  It’s a sprawling set of allegations, encompassing both election interference charges against overseas Russians, and various other crimes by American Trump advisers.

Some highlights:

>  George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser.  

> Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them).

> Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

> 13 Russian nationals and threeRussian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

>  12 Russian GRU officers

>  Michael Cohen

>  Roger Stone

Sure, nothing to see here

 

 

     ^ the now famous "process crimes" argument 

You're full of hot air, dude. Just stop because you're not convincing any one 

...with a brain, that is.

Bryen open your eyes. ..you're getting scammed...by Trump...the biggest scam artist in history! 

Please then post the proof. I don’t watch cable news, and I read the following news sites, none of which have disproven it: BBC, Fox News, Al Jazeera, Jerusalem Post, CNN, etc. Other than Infowars “reporting” that Mueller will find Pedogate instead of collusion, I see nothing.

 

  > If you'd call inside info access to cable television & the internet, then yes I do.<

 

 

Cable television--Carlson and Hannity 

The internet-- the American thinker and Breitbart 

 

Your sources are not credible. 

 

    "you're not convincing any one"

 

     I'm convinced you're not convinced, you're very convincing in that regard 

 

     Lumber, how about one more "wave that flag" for old time's sake?

Sedition

Brsyin', not old news, you've been waving that Russian flag nonstop for two years.  

 

 

 

    ^ Classic!

 

^Pathetic 

 

But it's a better look than your defense of child sexual abuse apologist,  Tucker Carlson 

 

 

 

     people willing to go on record as of March 21st, 2019 who still believe the fairy tale the Trump campaign conspired with Russia to impact the 2016 presidential election:

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You're on a list as a Seditionist.

With a Capital "S".

I’m sorry about the crooked font, I hope it doesn’t take away from the message. 

I took the next two days off for the NCAA basketball tournament and I woke up to take a piss and decided to take a bong hit and go back to bed and then I also looked here and saw this thread. I was then inspired to make the meme I posted and that’s when the font on the last two squares became a bit crooked. It’s not my best work, aesthetically at least. I think the story is still good though. 

 

     ...no spot taken

     people willing to go on record as of March 1st, 2019 who still believe the fairy tale the Trump campaign conspired with Russia to impact the 2016 presidential election:

1 ____________________
2 ____________________
3 ____________________
4 ____________________
5 ____________________
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Is there something you don't like about the Constitution that has prompted you to engage in Sedition?

 

     It will be interesting to observe the transition to "it doesn't matter", on that note...enjoy the day!

>>>took the next two days off for the NCAA basketball tournament

 

 

I don't get it.

Sedition

>>>>Please then post the proof.

Here you go buddy

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Yeah have a nice day you delusional idiot

Bry the mixer hahaaaa

If you ignore stupidity it just goes away

Great job on the visuals Bucky

 

 

Mr. Melania wears more make up than Tammy Faye Bakker and Phyllis Diller combined.

 

 

These Russian threads are more boring than anything else on this site. You guys need to get on with your lives.

  A hundred years from now there will be college courses taught on how a collection of media organizations and elements from within the government knowingly brainwashed an entire society in an attempted coup attempt to overturn a presidential election...it's fascinating, from both a sociological & an anthropological perspective.<<<<<

 

I thought this already happened with Ken Star and the whitewater investigation. 

Collusion and delusion

Bryen sniffs glue on the reg.

 

     So...how's everyone doing this evening?  

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Will barf release the report of sit on it? And are you a Russian stooge?

If you ignore stupidity it just goes away>>>

we already tried that

if you want to see what a real coup looks like...look at jfk.

 

     Seen any good movies lately?  How's the weather?  What's for lunch?  I'm probably going to have some General Tso's Tofu.  Has there been any breaking news as of late?  Have a great day!  

 

*** Breaking News ***

If you view the report (that we haven't seen) as black and white with simpleton views, like his 30+% Fox News base.

You'll probably continue to believe the same shit you've already swallowed.

 

 

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 T.O.D. on Saturday, March 23, 2019 – 11:27 am

 

If you view the report (that we haven't seen) as black and white with simpleton views, like his 30+% Fox News base.

You'll probably continue to believe the same shit you've already swallowed.

 

Thanks simpleton

 

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     ^ disgraceful, that's a fairly accurate example of what's wrong with your side of the aisle, it represents the general degradation of society, which will hopefully be rejected at the ballot box in 2020.  

More homophobia from tho6

As an FYI, there’s nothing homophobic about that picture. Within the intended context, it doesn’t represent fear of or anger towards gays. It’s saying that Trump sucks Putin’s dick.

It would be a more accurate representation if it showed Trump taking it in the ass from Putin and the mouth from Bibi.

waaaaaaaah you say thing about gay that hurt my feewings

waaaaaaaah you disparage orange man

waaaaaaaah im angry about thing you say on internet

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh boo hoo hoo

Trump sucking Putin's cock is homophobia, lol.

Newsflash, Trumps a cocksucker.

That's a crime?

Slutty Slacker can’t keep 6 out of his mouth or hands.

People who like authoritarian leaders lack the ability to think critically or independently. Education is key; authoritarians always attack it. I’d guess Bryen has about the same level of learning as Slack.

>>what's wrong with your side of the aisle

Puhleaze. Your side is protecting an admitted sexual assailant, falsely wrapping himself in a flag he doesn’t respect or care to understand. He obviously lies about his religiousity, has cheated his way through business dealings for years, and your side eats up that shit like it’s gourmet.  Think about it, if you can, it doesn’t take much to realize it’s all camera tricks, spray tan, and bleached blond b.s.

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     This has been possibly the biggest, most fraudulent scam ever perpetrated in the history of the republic, if it signifies the end of the democrat's presidential aspirations for generations to come it is both fitting and just.  

What the hell are you talking about, Bry? This whole thing represents the fortitude of our system. A process was followed, the DOJ didn’t override anything Meuller wanted to do, and a report was filed. Although Congress can still investigate things that were alluded to in the report, there was not a coup, nor will there be. Unless he chokes on a McNugget, your peacenik President Trump will be there until January, 2021.

Ass-Glitter Troll is trolling.

a report that you haven't seen doesn't prove or disprove anything.

 

 

     Brian...here's the thing that I sincerely acknowledge you and others do not understand, this scam did not happen out of thin air or happenstance, it goes all the way to Obama's Oval Office, in the coming days and weeks it will become public knowledge.  Take an hour of your life and research "crossfire hurricane".

^ weak-assed conspiracy thinking at its worst

 

Trump = death of GOP for generations. Deal with it, "Bryen"

 

     ^ that's rich

>>>>  disgraceful, that's a fairly accurate example of what's wrong with your side of the aisle

 

I'm old enough to remember when "Bryen" used to claim to be a Bernie bro.  

Facade is slipping, Blert.

 

    "I'm old enough to remember when "Bryen" used to claim to be a Bernie bro."

     I never claimed to be a "Bernie Bro", although I do have an affinity for the guy and have stated he was absolutely ripped-off in 2016.

     

>>>What the hell are you talking about, Bry? This whole thing represents the fortitude of our system?

 

right?

Many people were justifiably indicted and prosecuted.

If u were delusional enough to b concerned a wrongful coup of poor ol' innocent president marmalade man baby was taking place wouldn't u b relieved to see that was clearly not the case, at least as far as this investigation goes?

"I do have an affinity for the guy and have stated he was absolutely ripped-off in 2016."

^^^

self-admission of a Bernie bro

 

    "Many people were justifiably indicted and prosecuted."

     For process crimes that have nothing to do with Russian collusion.

What can the Democrats do to Trump, Trump Jr or Kushner? 

^ Stick their pepperoncinis up their pears, turning them into putos milanesas grilled over electric heat. Duh...

Sedition will not go unchecked

>>>>>Sedition will not go unchecked

 

Can you provide current examples of those checks and their effectiveness? 

"process crimes" = things that  you or i would do hard time for but are magically excused for Republican political operatives.

"process crimes" = things that  you or i would do hard time for but are magically excused for Republican political operatives.

 

     FOM,

       Why don't you go cry to Anderson Cooper about my sedition?

Trump the scam-artist who scammed his way Into office continuously scams this country?

Yes, Greg. How long are Democrats going to allow it? 

6 more years?

It's really a question of how long you're going to allow it, Slacker. Stop trying to blame someone else. Get a pitchfork and march or something already.

President Trump made 8,158 false or misleading claims in his first two years

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/2019/01/21/president-tru...

 

     Gravy...I have unconditional love in my heart for you, but please...for the love of everything that is good in this world, please research the links I have provided.  Namaste 

For the love of God, Bry,  won’t you please pull your head out of Trump’s ass?!  I will pray for you.

 

     Nancy, I will pray for you...believe it or not I already prayed for you just like I said I would a long time ago.  I have unconditional love for you.

Unconditional everything

 

root of the (your) problem

Swim in scummy water and you are scum

pride / or  prejudice 

A bathtub for blind  bigots 

 

you unconditional and blind support is freaking un-American

 Just like the scum that you worship

 

     keep believing the lie...I couldn't care less, there will be plenty of people thrashing around in the wake of this scam.

     John Brennan, a traitor to this country

     https://youtu.be/6OYFuzz9iY0

Bryen,


Adimittedly, I only read the beginning of Fake News NY Times article.  But, to me it sounds like the biggest potential mistake that occurred during the Crossfire Hurricane investigation was that it was not as "transparent" as Comey's actions about the Clinton investigation, which occurred days before the election.

 

"....The facts, had they surfaced, might have devastated the Trump campaign: Mr. Trump’s future national security adviser was under investigation, as was his campaign chairman. One adviser appeared to have Russian intelligence contacts. Another was suspected of being a Russian agent himself.

In the Clinton case, Mr. Comey has said he erred on the side of transparency. But in the face of questions from Congress about the Trump campaign, the F.B.I. declined to tip its hand. And when The New York Times tried to assess the state of the investigation in October 2016, law enforcement officials cautioned against drawing any conclusions, resulting in a story that significantly played down the case.

Mr. Comey has said it is unfair to compare the Clinton case, which was winding down in the summer of 2016, with the Russia case, which was in its earliest stages. He said he did not make political considerations about who would benefit from each decision.

But underpinning both cases was one political calculation: that Mrs. Clinton would win and Mr. Trump would lose. Agents feared being seen as withholding information or going too easy on her. And they worried that any overt actions against Mr. Trump’s campaign would only reinforce his claims that the election was being rigged against him...."

 

     Johnny D...I appreciate the opportunity to discuss your post, you're scratching the surface which is somewhat encouraging, the original scam was eavesdropping on the Trump campaign, the pendulum effect was figuring out a way to justify it...hence the "crossfire hurricane" scam.  It's sickening, research it.  These people are the absolute scum of the earth.

I got pretty much the same thing from that NYT article: if anyone got fucked by Crossfire Hurricane, it was Hillary.

Bry, if you’re going to keep posting about traitors, sedition, coups, etc, you’re going to have to start presenting hard fact to back it up. As the one making accusations of capital crimes, you better have real proof. In all these threads over all these months, you’ve given absolutely none of that. You’re just another conspiracy theorist.

 

 

     "Methinks thou dost protest too much" 

     
     https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBrennan

 

     * Briank...really?  You're seemingly brighter than that...or are you just full of malarkey? 

 

     Brian, I'm going to leave it at this, because I really need to get some sleep...do you actually believe this nonsense?  Are you amongst the brainwashed masses?  You seem a bit smarter than that.

Cut the crap dude. You are the one who is clockwork orange fake fox news brainwashed

 

The sky isn’t falling, the Republic isn’t crumbling, there’s no Deep State conspiracy against Trump, and Hillary didn’t steal the Democratic primary from Bernie.

Things aren’t perfect and fucked up shit occurs, but that’s true for any government at any time in history on any continent.

If you really believe that shit, offer real proof, not incoherent webs of inferences. When accusing someone of a capital crime, even more so.

Brian,

 

He's gonna get back to you after consulting his incel handler on 4chAN.

 

I’m always amazed at how late some people stay up arguing and/or trolling on a dbmb. I think he hit 4:30 am Pacific Time. No wonder he’s paranoid.

 

    "The sky isn’t falling, the Republic isn’t crumbling, there’s no Deep State conspiracy against Trump, and Hillary didn’t steal the Democratic primary from Bernie.  Things aren’t perfect and fucked up shit occurs, but that’s true for any government at any time in history on any continent."

     Translation: "nothing to see here, move along"  which I'm sure will be one of many futile tactics...that, and sophomoric memes, it's like a Mensa gathering with you guys!

 

Your problem, Bry, is that you extrapolate what you want to suit your own narrative, and then you react to it by attacking. That is absolutely not what I said or meant.

I will ask again, Einstein, where’s the real proof of what you’re saying? I want links to facts, not more conspiracy opinions by internet hacks. The onus is on you, not the rest of us to blindly believe you. And more importantly, when accusing of capital crimes, you better have more than just bluster.

>>t's like a Mensa gathering

 

It's true. We are all smarter than you. We may have been at some of the same concerts, but you totally missed the message and are now shilling for the enemies of freedom, liberty, and fun.

17155192_10212574782863873_3173006150476425514_n.jpg

Bry's problem is that I see right through his soft troll of this whole site and his transparent attempt to mock everyone here into some kind of meaningless argument while touching on all the fascist bullet points he's been spoonfed by his bootlicking masters.

 

I see you, Bryen. I know what you are doing. If you leave here I won't be sad. I have no idea why you stay as you contribute nothing of substance.

 

     So, what your basically saying is Brennan had nothing to do with the original scam...I'm assuming you've researched that, correct?

 

    *Note:  I acknowledge the futility of trying to debate this, if it's not checkmate, please explain your next move, thanks 

 

    

>>>So, what your basically saying

lol, sure, if that’s what you got out of it...

 May I ask, do you smoke a shit ton of herb and also have insomnia?

   FOM,

       Why don't you go cry to Anderson Cooper about my sedition?<<<<

If the time ever comes, I will do whatever it takes.

Lets hope it doesn't get that far for everyone's sake.

 

 

     ^  comedy gold

 

     So Comey, Clapper & Brennen publicly & FALSELY accuse Trump of treason and THAT'S not sedition?  Please explain that one, thanks!

 

     * and oh by the way, I couldn't care much less about this "discussion", it's basically deteriorated into classless memes and doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on a lost cause...justifying a failed coup attempt and the systematic brainwashing of an entire population base, obviously some of you are still impacted.

And your thoughts on priests raping little boys?

Thanks!

Trump the scammer

 

     As you grow older, and wonder why the democrats never win another presidential election, some of you, not all of you, but some...should take a good long look in the mirror.

That's what I thought, thanks!

KYS OP

No collusion. Victory for Donald, which also supports Bryan’s approach to said subject. 

As for obstruction of justice. Barr seems to be saying that Mueller report indicates that the evidence could go both ways & that Barr has chosen to be on the no to obstruction side. All this is predicate on my understanding of Barr’s summary. 

Abstruction?  What abstraction?

Lies?  What lies?

ymmv

07A6DE6C-0CE3-45CB-83D5-4E260C613EC6.jpeg>>>>No collusion. Victory for Donald, which also supports Bryan’s approach to said subject. 

Please don’t drink the kool aid. What you saw and have read over the last two years actually happened. Russia fucking with our election, Trump talking repeatedly with Putin, Trump laundering Russia  money is NOT A SCAM

 

 

 

 

No kool aid drinking here. Just stating what I read & hear. 

Yes Russia did bad things.  As for what Donald & Co either did or did not do, Mueller’s conclusion seems to b that Nothing illegal happened. 

  The obstruction question remains open. Barr reached a conclusion that there was no obstruction. “While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,” Mr. Barr quoted Mr. Mueller as writing.

 

https://www.justsecurity.org/63084/trump-organization-executives-prosecu...

The mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, and money laundering conspiracy statutes all have a five year statute of limitations. The limitations period would not start to run until the final act in the conspiracy.

So for example, should SDNY wish to pursue money laundering charges against Individual-1, they would have five years from the time check # 002821, signed by Donald J. Trump totaling $35,000 drawn on Trump’s personal account associated with the Trump Organization at Capital One NA, was deposited by Michael Cohen. The date of the check is 08/01/17. Five years from August 2017 brings us to August 2022. (There may exist later dated checks in 2017 but the above check signed by Donald J. Trump is the latest dated check available on the public record at this time.)

At that point, Trump may no longer be in office — and no longer the beneficiary of a Justice Department policy prohibiting indictment of a sitting president.

Money laundering has a maximum statutory criminal exposure of twenty years imprisonment and a $500,000 fine. If found guilty sentencing guidelines will focus on the total amount laundered which at this time, based on Michael Cohen’s testimony would be $385,000. By any calculation President Trump, his son, and his long time CFO could be looking at jail time if the will to prosecute exists at SDNY or the NY State Attorney General’s office, who —  unlike a federal prosecutor — is not bound by the DOJ position on indictability of a sitting president.

whatever it takes

So there shouldn't be any problems with getting the translator's testimony now if they have nothing to hide.

Chomsky on Russian Interference and Trump collusion, March, 2019

"It's so farcical that i barely read the reports- it's a joke."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtqWezfIhMY

 

     FOM, while you're on the phone with Anderson Cooper about my sedition, you may want to tip him off to the White House press secretary...she basically said the same thing this morning.

 

"White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders called Mueller being unable to establish Trump 2016 campaign coordination with Russians “a great reminder also of the rule of law … but it’s also a sad reminder of the lack of accountability that started to seep into the media and into Democrats that have gone out for the last two years actually over two years and accused the president the United States of being an agent of a foreign government.
“Take a second and let that sink in, take a minute and realize how outrageous and how serious and how malicious an accusation like that is,” she told CNN. “They literally accused the president of the United States of being an agent for foreign government, that’s equivalent to treason — that is punishable by death in this country."

“There are a lot of people who should answer questions,” a clearly agitated Sanders said under a warm early spring sun. “If Congress is so gung-ho to call people up to the Hill, the list I would start with [former FBI Director James] Comey, [former Director of National Intelligence James] Clapper, [former CIA Director John] Brennan and other people in the FBI who perpetuated this absurd lie and this absurd idea that the president of the United States was somehow a foreign agent, colluding with another government.”


http://www.rollcall.com/news/whitehouse/white-house-says-democrats-tried...

 

     First thing I have to say is I love you people unconditionally...second thing I would say, if I live to be 100, I'll never forget the absurdity of "FacaOnMars" threatening me with sedition, I'll laugh & raise a glass to that obnoxious threat when I'm an old gentleman.

     https://youtu.be/wXVLgB6SbsE

You are fuuuucked up dude. waaay long gone

 

     In my opinion, it is my belief that John Brennan is guilty of treason, I am against capital punishment, so I would find something constructive for him to do for a while, but make no mistake, he is guilty of treason.  There's a famous saying about a failed coup attempt, I forget what it is at the moment, anyways I'm glad for this country and this message board that this is finally behind us.

     https://youtu.be/S1BSmwJb6gs

 

     ^@6:05

 

     Namaste...don't take any wooden nickels, keep it real, all's well that ends well, protect the vibe

     https://youtu.be/5w_Z2tZaS6s

 

     Marvin Gaye Live in Amsterdam 1976 (Full Concert)

     https://youtu.be/Oxp-VUSniq4

  

  

  

    https://youtu.be/QNydcwDriuU

   ^ the superstylie 

 

     Ray Charles

     America the Beautiful  

     https://youtu.be/TRUjr8EVgBg

 

 

     America  

     Simon & Garfunkel

     https://youtu.be/3pWK9KASwFU

 

     Jimi Hendrix

     Yasgur's Farm

     Bethel, NY

     The National Anthem 

     https://youtu.be/TKAwPA14Ni4

   

     Whitney Houston   

     The National Anthem 

     https://youtu.be/N_lCmBvYMRs

 

     The Mall 

     https://youtu.be/Bz81ZO0qfvI

>> In my opinion, it is my belief that John Brennan is guilty of treason, I am against capital punishment, so I would find something constructive for him to do for a while, but make no mistake, he is guilty of treason.  

Speaking of magnanimity and grace in victory. our POTUS suggested on Tuesday that the origins of the Mueller investigation could be traced to the Obama White House,  “This should never happen to a president again,” Mr. Trump said. “We can’t allow that to take place.”  Plus more of the same.  “The Mainstream Media is under fire and being scorned all over the World as being corrupt and FAKE,” Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter on Tuesday. “For two years they pushed the Russian Collusion Delusion when they always knew there was No Collusion. They truly are the Enemy of the People and the Real Opposition Party!”  Plus a side (political) observation; “People love it when you attack the press.” 

Emboldened in victory, the Trump administration has made a decision to ask a federal appeals court to invalidate the Affordable Care Act.  Cue Nancy Pelosi.  “The Republicans did say during the campaign that they weren’t there to undermine the pre-existing condition benefit, and here they are, right now, saying they’re going to strip the whole Affordable Care Act as the law of the land,” Ms. Pelosi told reporters Tuesday. 

Not all Republicans are happy either.  “Not only is this a poor political move, this decision hurts real people who will unfairly lose their health insurance coverage as a result,” said Representative Tom Reed, Republican of New York. “We need to work to find ways to fix our health care system — not blow it up.”  Susan Collins pronounced herself “very disappointed” with the Justice Department’s position.  “I thought it was bad enough when last year they wouldn’t defend parts of the law, including the parts protecting people with pre-existing conditions,” Ms. Collins said. “This goes far beyond that and I think was a huge mistake.”

 

 

     NYCDAVE,

     It's what it is, pure treason in my opinion, in other news the sky is blue and water is wet.

Hear me well 
Seein' ain't always believin' 
Just make sure it's the truth that you're seein' 
Eyes sometimes lie, eyes sometimes lie 
They can be real deceivin'

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FK_hftXn4dk

 


Bob Marley - The Legend Live @ Santa Barbara County Bowl 1979 full

https://youtu.be/imfiY8ZVZ0g

 

     I'm not a huge Little Feat fan, I think they're not as exceptional as some people believe them to be...to be completely honest about it. oh by the way, some Little Feet songs can be quite annoying & not that great.

 

     John Lennon

     Mind Games

     https://youtu.be/H6G2s6LNQQY

 

     John Lennon

     Watching the Wheels

     https://youtu.be/uVXR2LYeFBI

 

     John Lennon  

     All We Are Saying Is Give Peace A Chance

     https://youtu.be/C3_0GqPvr4U

 

 

 

 

     In fairness...I do like this one

 

     https://youtu.be/RNqv85coyTw

 

 

Being the extreme narcissist Trump is...

You would think if the Mueller report had the littlest amount of positive in it he would release it immediately.

But now we got the slow walk, cock block.

Good thing most people with even the littlest amount of intelligence see what's going on.

 

 FEAR

 I Don't Care About You

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyM4uAJBujA

 

 

 

 

Now it's Sedition AND a "witch hunt"

 

     FOM, are you in contact with Anderson Cooper in regards to Sarah & myself?  I'm wondering if we should have a joint defense?  [you're probably too young to get that joke]

Bryen and the Red Hat Cult

 

>Cults aren’t as easy to spot as you might think. Most cults don’t wear robes or live in communes. In fact, most cult members don’t even realize they’re in a cult

 

1. The leader is the ultimate authority
If you’re not allowed to criticize your leader, even if the criticism is true, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults begin with a charismatic leader who claims some supreme knowledge. They may call themselves a prophet, messiah, messenger, or an enlightened teacher. They can also be CEOs, military officials, politicians, and self-help gurus.

Cult leaders convince members to forfeit their critical thinking ability in return for a sense of belonging, authority, and purpose. To members, it doesn’t matter what the evidence or logic may suggest, the leader is always right, and their misdeeds are always justified. Criticism of the leader is forbidden.

2. The group suppresses skepticism
If you’re only allowed to study your organization through approved sources, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults view critical thinking as an infectious disease and every effort is made to suppress it. Doubting members are encouraged to isolate themselves from outside influences and focus solely on the doctrine of the cult.

Criticism is forbidden. People who contradict the group are viewed as persecutors and are often given labels like “anti,” “apostate,” or “suppressive person.” Members are discouraged from consuming any material that is critical of the group.

3. The group delegitimizes former members
If you can’t think of a legitimate reason for leaving your group, you’re probably in a cult.

Because the cult considers itself the ultimate authority on truth, it can’t imagine anybody leaving it with their integrity intact. Thus, it has to perpetuate a false narrative that former members were deceived, proud, immoral, or lazy.

If former members speak out, they are dismissed as bitter, angry, dishonest or evil. Cults often impose some kind of shunning to shame former members and prevent them from infecting other members with the truth.

4. The group is paranoid about the outside world
If your group insists the end of the world is near, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults position themselves as the sole refuge from an evil outside world that is intent on their destruction. Cults thrive on conspiracy theories, catastrophic thinking, and persecution complexes.

In an effort to draw in more paying members, cults are often very aggressive in their recruitment efforts which are usually justified as “saving” people from the evil world. Those who reject the cult’s message are unelect, prideful, evil, or stupid.

5. The group relies on shame cycles
If you need your group in order to feel worthy, loved, or sufficient, you’re probably in a cult.

Cult leaders trap members in shame cycles by imposing abnormally strict codes of conduct (usually prescriptions about diet, appearance, sex, relationships, media), guilting members for their shortcomings, and then positioning themselves as the unique remedy to the feelings of guilt which they themselves created.

Cult members are made to believe they are insufficient or unworthy on their own and that the only way to become worthy is to confess their shortcomings to the group or leader. The leader then becomes the meditiator of worthiness and the foundation of the member’s self esteem.

Leaders who can make followers feel bad about anything can use shame to manipulate followers into doing anything, even if it’s against their own self-interest or better judgment.

6. The leader is above the law 
If you’re held to a different moral standard, specifically in regard to sex, you’re probably in a cult.

A prevalent idea among cult leaders is that they are above the law, be it human or divine. This idea allows them to exploit their followers economically and sexually without repercussions.

When confronted, they do not confess, but create justifications for their impropriety. Sexual grooming of members is common. Loyal cult members will perform any amount of “mental gymnastics” to justify or ignore the leader’s behavior.

7. The group uses “thought reform” methods
If your serious questions are answered with cliches, you’re probably in a cult.

Indoctrination or “brainwashing” is the process through which a cult slowly breaks down a person’s sense of identity and ability to think rationally. Behaviors like excessive fasting, prayer, hypnosis, scripture reading, chanting, meditation, or drug usage can all be used to increase a person’s vulnerability to the leader’s suggestions.

The hallmark of indoctrination is the use of thought-terminating cliches. Platitudes like “follow the leader” or “doubt your doubts” are regurgitated over and over so that members don’t have to critically analyze complex issues.

8. The group is elitist
If your group is the solution for all the world’s problems, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults see themselves as the enlightened, chosen, and elect organization tasked with radically transforming individual lives and the entire world.

This elitism creates greater sense of group unity and responsibility centered on a united purpose. However, this sense of responsibility is often manipulated by cult leaders who coerce members into risky financial behavior, sexual favors, free manual labor, or heightened recruitment efforts in order to “further the cause.”

9. There is no financial transparency
If you’re not allowed to know what the group does with their money, you’re probably in a cult.

A group that refuses to disclose its finances is a huge red flag. Ethical organizations have nothing to hide. Cult leaders tend to live opulently while their followers are required to make financial sacrifices. Members are often encouraged to pay their offerings even if it means putting their families at risk.

10. The group performs secret rites
If there are secret teachings or ceremonies you didn’t discover until after you joined, you’re probably in a cult.

Cults use secret rituals as rites of passage that solidify a member’s loyalty to the group. Initiation into these rites usually only comes after a member has undergone certain tests or made adequate financial contributions.

Often, cult initiations are confusing, bizarre, or even offensive. This mental dissonance between their sense of confusion and their loyalty to the “inner circle” convinces the initiate to double their efforts in order to properly appreciate the proceedings. This only further entrenches them in a shame cycle, making them even more susceptible to manipulation.

 

     Nancy...I truly have love in my heart for you, I know we've had our differences, but I truly think you have a lot of redeeming qualities, enjoy this day!

 

     A Grateful Day with Brother David Steindl-Rast 

     Gratefulness.org

     https://youtu.be/zSt7k_q_qRU

Yes, you speak like a cultist. I will continue to pray that you can extract yourself from your cult and worship of false idols. Your misguided beliefs and attempts to bring others into your cult are pathetic. Love to you too, brah. 

 

 

Bry is slightly less delusional than Jondr

We all love you, Bry. And yes we know you love us all. And Jesus loves you too. Now kindly STFU with your Trumpisms.

 

‘But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you’

 

 

     Nancy, it's completely groovy and cool if the process of de-programming takes longer with you than others...but Donald Trump is not an operative of the Russian government.  Do you understand that?  

 

     

     The Troggs

     Love Is All Around

     https://youtu.be/WO6glz0wpmo

jerry was not a republican.

Here we go...

 

     As you know, I'm a huge Turtle fan...I thought of you when the sea turtle was featured in the Brother David Steindl-Rast video...to your comment..."How would Jerry vote?", I think, being a registered California voter, he would have "written in" Ron Paul the last 3 presidential cycles.

So was Stein even a consideration?

Bernie??

JFC... this dude.

 

     Dr. Ron Paul

     https://youtu.be/obOLzwSn6sY

 

    ^ Druba, adrift in a Facebook reality, in some respect, it's not even his fault 

“Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.”

~ Jerry

I didn’t know Jerry personally, but from what I’ve read my guess is that Jerry didn’t vote.

As for Nancy’s theory that Bryon is a member of a cult, I’ve never considered this B4 but Nancy may have a legitimate concern.

It’s nice 2 hear that everyone here (or at least most everyone) loves everyone else here. NFA

if Bryan is indeed a member of the cult of Donald, there is a way out. A light at the end of this dark tunnel. 

May the force be with you. 

Whatever it takes, for real

Spinners For Trump 2020

This reminds me of that time when the country was soooo relieved after the non-partisan investigation into Obama's birth certificate was resolved. Remember? Remember how the FBI cleared Obama? Oh wait...it wasn't the FBI, it was Donald J. Trump trying to unduly unseat a sitting POTUS on tin-foil wrapped bullshit. Treasonous?

Oh yes....remember how the country came together and there was a shower of olive branches coming over from GOPer land. Remember how the country mourned the sudden loss of Justice Scalia and Obama nominated Merrick Garland? Remember that Bryen? 

Plant Ice > Wind

 

     FOM, at what point do your accusations of sedition become seditious?  By the way...I would never in a million years go down that road...you're entitled to your own definition of sanity.  By the way, I love you unconditionally.

Who cares?  Why do you? 

If someone(Trump) is truly innocent, he should embrace and encourage the releas of the Mueller report. It would vindicate him completely and strengthen his base even further. Isn't this obvious? Similar to his tax returns. But no. As Mueller said, he did not exonerate Trump from the obstruction charge. So there is obviously some heavy stuff in there that he doesn't want us to see. Also seems crazy that Trumps PERSONAL lawyer is in prison as wel as his campaign manager, but the Orange Anus has skated free. What a country

heartheartangryangrycrying By the way, I love you unconditionally

 

You do have a point:  if this oligarchical paradigm becomes fully entrenched & I try to whip up people in protest, then yes, I'd be considered to be "seditious".

You can "rorschach this away" in your mind all you want, but the fact still remains that Trump has repeatedly made statements and accusations that undermine the rule of law and credibility of our nation's law enforcement agencies while whipping up nationalistic fervor.

I too love you unconditionally, but will nonetheless do whatever it takes if it ever comes down to it.

 

 

     Scott, I am encouraged that seemingly you are curious as to what may have actually happened...that is better than most.  The treason that transpired began with President Obama, you will read about the details in the days and weeks to come.  I'm going to go work on my golf game, have a beautiful day!

 

     FaceOnMars...get a life

I still love you unconditionally

 

    ^ you should!

It has nothing to do with "should", it just is.

 

     and I you

 

     Did you see the "pebbles on Mars" post the other day?

So if only 1 in 3 Americans agree with Bryen and 2 in 3 think he's off his rocker we'll be okay down the road. White nationalists and their apologists will always lurk as a subset of society. The Republican Party however will be working for years to rid Trumpism from their brand.

 

       https://vivalazone.org/user/768

 

     ^ that"s what is wrong with this community/society 

 

     Across the Universe   

     https://youtu.be/90M60PzmxEE

I appreciate the kudos, Bryen, although I am pretty sure I am not alone in wanting to see the report and know what happenned. In fact it appears many people in both sides of the aisle want this. If I was accused of something, and knew I was innocent, I would be screaming from rooftops to release anything and everything. Its very strange.

As for the Obama/treason angle, I am perplexed. Are you saying the Mueller report will reference this? Or are you quoting what Trump said? Are his boys still down in Hawaii searching for the real birth certificate?

Hoaxy Changey

Name calling always worked for you Bryen? Don't be a juvenile troll.

 

    "I appreciate the kudos, Bryen, although I am pretty sure I am not alone in wanting to see the report and know what happenned. In fact it appears many people in both sides of the aisle want this. If I was accused of something, and knew I was innocent, I would be screaming from rooftops to release anything and everything."

     ...as he has, in case you haven't noticed 

 

     You'll observe in the next few days the actual treason...fasten your seatbelt 

 

     Gandhi - Trailer (1982)

     https://youtu.be/4pENM42-QB8

 

     Let it Be

     The Beatles 

     https://youtu.be/QDYfEBY9NM4

Thirty years old news? 

...as he has, in case you haven't noticed 

 

but the report Bryen, the report. Not what Trump has said, but what is in the report. What is Mueller referring to that does not exonerate him? that is all I want to know.

 

     Scott, thank you for your concern...if there's absofreakinloutly no underlying crime, can obstruction actually occur?  Honestly...are there possibly other things for the resistance to resistify?

Must make you feel pretty proud to support a racist who loves Russia more than the US.

Good to see how your allegiances run...

 

    ^ clinical insanity 

Do you enjoy going to the rallies in your MAGA hat and screaming "lock her up"?

>> if there's absofreakinloutly no underlying crime, can obstruction actually occur?  

Ask Martha Stewart.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AL8chWFuM-s

 

>    clinical insanity 

 

 

so hard for Bry to preach the Christian gospel and the Trump gospel at the same time

 

 

be best!?

 judge not, that ye be not judged, brother Bry?!

 

 You are loved, and we pray for your salvation and enlightenment

 

 

 

 

    ^ I'm pretty sure I was at that one...September 1st, 1990

 

     You make a good point, I shouldn't judge anyone from buying into the scam, nor should I throw the first stone, I have made many mistakes myself, the homily from a couple weeks ago was about exactly that, keeping in mind your own faults while you call others to task.  It really is an exceptionally unique situation, it's not everyday there's a systematic coup attempt in the United States of America, so obviously I'm a bit defensive of our republic, but it's a good opportunity for me to say that if you were innocently caught up in this rather than knowingly perpetuating a lie, I do not place blame with you.  If you were on the other side of that fence, and knowingly advanced this scam, you are the absolute scum of the earth.

tall boy ipa's at 6am

 

    ^ CNN...what a joke, I remember stopping into the CNN Center at the Omni shows in Atlanta 1990.  That CNN is even on television after this scam is a sad statement on the gullibility of our society.

F this troll^...

 

     Actually, I was not at the Shoreline show on September 1st, 1990, I was at the Berkeley Greek Theatre JGB show August 5th, 1990...hitchhiked from Wyoming, it was Brent's wake.

 

     https://youtu.be/XpMKvFVsp4c

^Wrong again. I was there, It was a JGB show at the Greek, no more, no less.

But yeah, supporting everything Trump does to the Nth degree?

Yes , you are absolutely the scum of the earth.

 

     Local County Line...you're certifiably insane, if you were actually there that day when Jerry sang "Tears of Rage" and don't think you were present for Brent's wake, you're probably one of those guys that grew up in California...which is completely beautiful, but considered themselves "on the road", when they were never actually "on the road", but can attest to having seen Garcia many times...not that there's anything wrong with that. 

>>>>considered themselves "on the road", when they were never actually "on the road"

 

 

What does this mean? 

Oh pious brother bryen, you just need to pray harder for him. Wait, how about an exorcism, kind  holy man?

 

And seriously, you’re in no position declaring anyone to be insane. Put on your red hat and listen to the music play. God help you

 

 

     As an aside...I always thought that lyric was purposely, with intent, designed to be a "double entendresque" lyric, in that Garcia's pronunciation of the lyric sounded a lot like "Humboldt County Line", which is a "tip of the hat" to the psychedelic revolution of consciousness & ecotopia.

 

  Nancy, you're so funny, I do love you very much. 

Bry took IT out when he  typed that. 

 

 

 god bless his small mind, his little heart and his wee pecker

Damn Bry, your sticktoitiveness is impressive. You really are like the Energizer Bunny. 

 

     I'm gonna sing you, a hundred verses in ragtime, I know this song it ain't ever gonna end...gonna march you up & down the Humboldt County Line, take you to the leader of a band!!!!! 

Can I get an honest answer to my question and maybe a little more unconditional love? 

 

     Nancy, I'm going to leave you a drink at the Boom Boom Room on Fillmore, namaste!

 

     Knotesau, what I meant by that comment:  There's a bit of a dynamic to guys like "Local County Line", and oh by the way, I may be mistaken...but often is the case that guys who basically never traveled to see Garcia can claim to have seen Garcia a bunch because they happened to grow up in California and obviously Jerry played there 35 nights a year, Local County Line may have seen Garcia east of the Rockies a bunch of times, who am I to say?  I get that to many that may not matter, perhaps it doesn't.  It's just an observation that may or may not be correct...not that it matters I suppose.

You loved Jerry but chose not to move to SF to see him more often? 

What were you afraid of leaving? 

 

     I was at virtually every Garcia performance on the west coast for the last 5 years of his life.

Well,  I'll give you one thing "Bry", you are very good at being wrong.

I grew up in NY.

"....guys who basically never traveled to see Garcia..."

Yeah, tell that one to my Mom. She'll get a good laugh.

 

 

     I'm glad to stand corrected.

 

     If you were at the Greek, which was the first Garcia performance after Brent passed away, I'm somewhat surprised you didn't feel as if it was Brent's wake...I'm pretty sure that's how most of us felt about it.

Coast to coast travel is bad for the environment. 

Did you ever see Brent fix up on stage? I heard it was a sad sight. 

 

    "Coast to coast travel is bad for the environment."

     ^ my carbon footprint was pretty minimal 

was there.

Brent Mydland (October 21, 1952 – July 26, 1990)

https://jerrygarcia.com/show/1990-08-05-greek-theatre-berkeley-ca/

 

SET 1

How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved By You)

Stop That Train

Forever Young

Run For The Roses

That's What Love Will Make You Do

My Sisters And Brothers

Tears Of Rage

Deal

SET 2

Midnight Moonlight*

Harder They Come*

And It Stoned Me

Waiting For A Miracle

Evangeline

Think

That Lucky Old Sun

Tangled Up In Blue

SHOW NOTES

* w/ Bela Fleck

>>>>>>>     ^ my carbon footprint was pretty minimal 

 

 

 

All the fuel was leaded, dude. You were were smokestack spewing black smoke following a smokestack smoking black smoke. 

 

     Knotesau, how in the world do you purport to know about my carbon footprint????

     As fate would have it, I hitchiked to that show, so explain to me how that put carbon in the air?

     Kind of a funny story, I may have told it here before, but me and a guy named Red were on the side of the road at 3:00 in the morning, IN THE ABSOLUTE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, WYOMING, when a school bus stops, they are headed to the Berkeley Greek Theatre...anyways, there's a Ford Escort that is tagging along, the girls driving the car ask me & Red to drive the Ford Escort, so me & Red go from standing on the side of the road moments earlier to driving a Ford Escort so the girls could sleep on the bus, they had the Louisville, Kentucky cassette tape of Weather Report Suite: prelude, parts 1 & 2 in the stereo system, it was a real "moment" for me & Red.

>>>>>As fate would have it, I hitchiked to that show, so explain to me how that put carbon in the air?

>>>>>so me & Red go from standing on the side of the road moments earlier to driving a Ford Escort 

 

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I can't believe how many don't see how he is constantly mocking and insulting you, yet you still engage him.

 

      Grateful Dead

      Fillmore West

      Hey Jude

      3.1.69

      https://youtu.be/o0ms_1vkl18

 

 

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Your pejoratives always have a penis. 

Oh boy, looks like the Main Stream Media is at it again...

 

Mueller report 'undoubtedly' proves conspiracy, obstruction: Judge Napolitano

By Julia Limitone Published March 27, 2019 Politics FOX Business

 

Judge Andrew Napolitano said there positively "some" proof of Trump-Russia conspiracy and obstruction of justice in the 700 page report.

“In the 700 page summary of the 2 million pages of raw evidence there is undoubtedly some evidence of a conspiracy and some evidence of obstruction of justice,” he told FOX Business’ Neil CavutoOpens a New Window.. “Just not enough evidence.”

 

“If there were no evidence of conspiracy and no evidence of obstruction the attorney general would have told us so—he didn’t.”

 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/mueller-report-undoubtedly-proves-c...

>>> Your pejoratives always have a penis. 

 

And you're gobbling a troll's balls.

Who is that? 

Slack, I'm going to leave you a drink at Tilden.

Namaste

#unconditionallove

Shifty on the case.....good luck

Unconditional love... pious prayer... constant mocking and insults... cults... carbon footprints...Christian gospel... Trump gospel... who is or is not on the road... clinical insanity... accusations of sedition... JGB at the Greek... Spinners for Trump... brainwashed masses... fluffers... kool aid... Plus lots of fun music & cartoons!

What a fun thread. Most of which is above my ability 2 grock but still so fun. 

Thx Zoners. 

rut roh

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Fake Steele dossier? Who determined  it was fake? 

Lassen, what source are you relying on to claim that the Dossier is fake? And no, Rand Paul doesn't count. Either does Bry. 

 

 

Rand Paul voted against the wall and now he is trying to make the cultist forget. No different than Lindsey Graham behavior. Distract the rubes. 

Maybe some day Donnie will invite Rand to play golf with him. 

Fake Steele dossier? Who determined  it was fake?>>>>>

 Rand heard the Great Orange One say it, this makes it so.

Oh, and then Lassen saw Rand Paul tweet it and fell for it. Got it. 

 

 

The Trump ass kissers are immune to facts. Do you golf, Lassen?

Lassen has had anger issues in the past on the zone. I also assume that he is middle age plus and white

^ Ha, not even dude. You better get going now JR, i think Rachel Maddow is on. She needs your support more than ever since the Trump Russia conspiracy theory has been debunked and her ratings are in free-fall.

Have a nice night!

 

 

Not sure what angry, middle age plus, and white have to do with Rachel Maddow?

^ you forgot to add failing Rachel Maddow and debunked Trump Russia to your statement.

 

^^ Umm, you forgot to add "dodgy dossier" comrade.

What year will the dossier matter? 

BREAKING, Rand heard it from Dumpo, Rand tweeted it, Lassen then read the tweet and posted it assuming it was fact. There ya have it.

^ hey, Mannfred just posted a Pelosi tweet that might be more agreeable with you. Get in there!

you don't want Barr to release the Mueller report, Lassen?

Is 300 pages too much for you?

Maybe it is triple spaced in large font so that the orange shitgibbon can try to read it.

^ Dude, i still see you like to project things onto others that have never been said or remotely intimated. From my post of a Rand Paul tweet, how did you come to that conclusion? Geez

Release the report, i'm totally supportive of that.

And if there's evidence in the report of an indictable or impeachable offense, then i support that as well.

Donnie  also said he supported releasing the full report. He also said he would release his taxes. Donnie is full of shit. Don’t be like him, Lassen. 

>>>>   "Dude, i still see you like to project things onto others that have never been said or remotely intimated"

 

Lassen, I apologize for misinterpreting your post. 

I presumed from your following post:

>>>>   " hey, Mannfred just posted a Pelosi tweet that might be more agreeable with you. Get in there!"

 

that you disagreed with Pelosi.

If you, instead, agree with Pelosi, then I welcome you to the ~80-90% of Americans who share her sentiment.

Comrade drump should just make fox the official state media outlet.

^ Turtle, do you listen to corporate media at all?

^Nice work Nancy, Jeff looks like a real nice guy!

So, you believe that Mueller's report has damning information, and after 2+ years of work, the AG just discredits the report, and no one associated with the Mueller probe has anything to say? They are just silent on the fraudulent portrayal of the findings by Barr? Ifg so, then fuck, that special counsel thing is flawed to the nth degree..

Is that what you believe is going on here?

Surely there will be leaks, no? There's not a chance in hell the contents of that report will not get out.. no way, no how.

We will see the report, one way or another.. and i cannot wait to see what it says

Disclaimer. I don't like CNN or any corporate news, including Fox. But, this claims to be taken directly from Steele's comments in his deposition.

Steele says he used unverified information to support details about web company in dossier

By Katelyn Polantz, CNN

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/steele-information-dossier/index...

While I understand why many want the full un-redacted report and all the evidence to be released, one thing keeps bothering me about that possibility. Anonymous grand jury testimony is a sacrosanct cornerstone of our legal system for many good reasons. If all that is requested by some in Congress is provided, the chances of that testimony not being leaked is practically nil. I think providing that information to anyone outside the court is a very slippery slope that will permanently harm our legal system. Why would anyone give testimony in a grand jury against people with power if it wasn't anonymous? If identified, it would be all to easy for the powerful who are accused to extract vengeance in a myriad of ways. If not for the anonymous nature of grand juries most organized crime cases would never come to trial because those who testified would disappear for good. 

p.s. if the AG released that information to Congress, there would be a very good chance that the AG would stand trial for releasing it. Basically the AG would have to break the law in order to release all the information demanded. 

^ damn, well said. Impressive!

Liars

lie

 

 

fools believe 

If not for the anonymous nature of grand juries most organized crime cases would never come to trial because those who testified would disappear for good. >>>>

That happens anyway. They figure out who leaked what at some point. While that is still a valid point this report should at least be shared with at least one neutral party to determine if Barr is covering anything up. Everyone with half a brain knows Barr is covering for orange dumpo. If its not shared with a non partisan person the credibility of Barrs statements on the report have ZERO credibility. Lets be realistic, we have a 700 page report that took two years to put together and Barr comes back with a two page summary in two days.

so the argument is that if the report came out people would get killed?

I can't recall, did anybody get ice'd because of the Ken Starr report?

At this stage of the game:  if I were Adam Schiff, I'd have concerns for my life.

^ sounds like a juicy conspiracy. Who are the players that could potentially be involved in this murderous plot?

Did you watch the House Intel Committee hearings from yesterday?

Adam Schiff: "I say this to the President, and his defenders in Congress: You may think it’s okay how Trump and his associates interacted with Russians during the campaign. I don’t. I think it’s immoral. I think it’s unethical. I think it’s unpatriotic. And yes, I think it’s corrupt."

 

     I'm super busy today, I have other matters to attend to...I'm trying to fine-tune my golf game.  The way I see it, the democrats are "all-in" on the biggest scam in the 243 years of this republic, that is to say, what else are they possibly going to do when they are so obviously guilty of fraud and malfeasance?  It will be interesting to see how far they are willing to take this scam, earlier this month I posted this article drawing a parallel between this scenario and a Seinfeld episode...it's a more accurate analogy with each passing day.

 

     


A place in The Hamptons
Seinfeld NBC

https://youtu.be/5rkAzBXgCjc

http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/14/russia-hoax-begins-unravel-gaslighti...

>>  The way I see it, the democrats are "all-in" on the biggest scam in the 243 years of this republic, that is to say, what else are they possibly going to do when they are so obviously guilty of fraud and malfeasance? <<

 

You're so far off the reservation it's worrisome. 

An FBI/DOJ investigation is not politically based. Who exactly is "They" and what fraud and malfeasance are you specifically talking about. If there was some derp state coup, was it their intent to NOT prosecute and unseat POTUS? lol

Logical void is illogical.

<<You're so far off the reservation it's worrisome. >>

You wanna talk being off the reservation, this is the face of it, and millions upon millions of Americans watched and believed her bullshit for the past nearly 3 years

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That happens anyway. They figure out who leaked what at some point. While that is still a valid point this report should at least be shared with at least one neutral party to determine if Barr is covering anything up. Everyone with half a brain knows Barr is covering for orange dumpo. If its not shared with a non partisan person the credibility of Barrs statements on the report have ZERO credibility. Lets be realistic, we have a 700 page report that took two years to put together and Barr comes back with a two page summary in two days.

Knowing how the DOJ works, I find it highly unlikely that the AG was the ONLY person who read the Mueller's report and Barr probably did not write the summary alone either. I'm all for a review by a "neutral party" but again that party has to be part of the DOJ or laws of grand jury testimony being secret would again be violated. How does one find a party that appears to be neutral within the DOJ?

As for testimony leaking anyway, sometimes it does and mostly it doesn't because of the serious penalties bestowed on those are held to the secrecy of grand jury proceedings. By no means do they always leak. 

 so the argument is that if the report came out people would get killed?

No. The argument is that there are numerous downfalls to the breaking of anonymity of those who testify before a grand jury. The grand jury process is based on that anonymity. If testimony gets out, the accused can destroy evidence, tamper with witnesses and, yes, sometimes kill a witness. There are also possibly repercussions from testimony that is not given credence by the grand jury but paints a negative picture of an accused. Even if the grand jury decides that testimony is suspect, word gets out into the public and the accused, often without committing any wrongdoing, gets tried and found guilty in the public's eye based on suspect testimony that some of the public insist is the gospel truth. Why would a person testify if their whole life could be ruined without the promise of anonymity? As I said originally, there are many possible repercussions in the breaking of that anonymity. There are countless more besides the ones I have mentioned. The wholesale gutting of the grand jury process by demanding secret testimony based on what Congress wants is a very slippery slope...a slippery slope that has repercussions that should scare each and everyone of us. 

Just to clear up some stupid shit: the investigation began on a Rep president under a Rep Senate and Rep House. The investigation itself was legal, and did not overstep bounds of either time or authority. The final report did not convict anyone, let alone on political grounds.

We have a justice system and rule of law. It was followed. Calling what happened malfeasance, treason, whatever, is the real threat to our Republic. Do you not understand that? 

What’s more, Trump is now going off on how it’s wrong to use the legal system to play out politics. And he’s still leading the “lock her up” chants.

Jesus Christ, when did conservatives become whiny, hypocritical, petty bitches with their heads up their asses?

 

     We find ourselves in the Information Age, the details of the treasonous acts will be common knowledge in the days and weeks to come, nothing we say on this message board will impact that.  Enjoy the day, I do love you people, for whatever that may be worth.

     https://youtu.be/5G2LtPvPemw

Seriously, f this guy^

>> the details of the treasonous acts will be common knowledge in the days and weeks to come <<

Got it. lol

So, it’s okay to accuse people of capital crimes without any proof? Is that how the rule of law that governs our Republic works?

Was it treason when Trump et al constantly said Obama was born overseas and shouldn’t be president? Wasn’t he trying to overthrow a sitting president based on fiction?

Sickening, Bry. The Republicans, in droves,  are stopping to Trump’s level and somehow justifying trash and criminalizing the rule of law.

 

    "So, it’s okay to accuse people of capital crimes"

     Wasn't that what you were doing for 675 days?

     The irony is your accusations were false.

^ Isn't that exactly what you're doing now?

And, like BK stated, wasn't Trump himself LEADING the effort to de-throne Obama? holy shit.

Nowhere, ever, did I accuse Trump of anything. I’ve been through this multiple times with you.

Okay, I have accused him of being a douchebag, but only a fucktard could deny that.

 

      Namaste 

milquetoast deflection

I find it highly unlikely that the AG was the ONLY person who read the Mueller's report and Barr probably did not write the summary alone either.>>>>

Pure speculation, even if someone else did read it you can be assured it was someone loyal to Trump. If the report is not shared with a neutral party then Barrs biased two pager statement has ZERO credibility.

How does one find a party that appears to be neutral within the DOJ?>>>

It could be an independent council from the Senate. Thats not an easy answer. Still no credibility unless it gets reviewed and verified by someone trustworthy.

 

Who is more trustworthy than Mueller?

Worrying about the sanctity of our legal system as though we haven't witnessed what's become of it.....    For fucks sake

Morons

 

love morons

 

braying like an ass on mt lassen   

Jesus Christ, when did conservatives become whiny, hypocritical, petty bitches with their heads up their asses?

 

NAMASTE and STFU

 

 

Bryen, can you disprove the fact that you're nothing but a stinky troll.

 

     By all means...continue to flail about in your impossible task of rationalizing the biggest scam in the history of western civilization, it couldn't have happened to a nicer group of people.  Have a great weekend!

ga ga?

 

     Please...defend Brennan, who is a traitor to this country.

     
     https://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/65603

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     ^ expect more of the same...it's sad

Biggest scam in the history of Western Civilization...

I can think of a few thousand bigger scams, but okay.

 

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     Jerry Garcia and John Kahn 

     Ripple 

     May 5th, 1982

     https://youtu.be/gtEbE4Oxkbk

 

    "I can think of a few thousand bigger scams, but okay."

     ...said the guy who willingly took part, and continues to take an active role in perpetuating the scam.

 

 

     For Emily Whenever I May Find Her

     https://youtu.be/Li0-PXsrRHs

     https://www.e-chords.com/chords/simon-garfunkel/for-emily-whenever-i-may...


What a dream I had
Pressed in organdy
Clothed in crinoline of smokey burgundy
Softer than the rain
I wandered empty streets
Down past the shop displays
I heard cathedral bells
Tripping down the alleyways
As I walked on

And when you ran to me
Your cheeks flushed with the night
We walked on frosted fields
Of juniper and lamplight
I held your hand

And when I awoke and felt you warm and near
I kissed your honey hair with my grateful tears
Oh, I love you, girl
Oh, I love you

 

     ^ one of the great songs penned during the revolution of consciousness 

 

     Kathy's Song

     https://youtu.be/9FE6JTtCLK0

 

      ^ kind of a funny story, but I was at that show, it was the last show of the last tour...making it the last Simon & Garfunkel show ever, if I'm correct, they made it a DVD.  So after the show ends, which was one of the great shows of my life, I hop on a subway to 72nd & Broadway, which lets you out not far from the Beacon Theatre where Phil was playing that evening.  I showed up precisely at intermission, walked up to the door, explained to the doorman that I did not have a ticket, but could he please let me in anyways...he looked at me rather strangely, and then let me in.  I quickly found my friends and continued with one of the great nights of my life.

 

     Live from Madison Square Garden 2003

     https://youtu.be/Bqk2PpSiJ64

 

     Dark Star

     Hampton, Virginia 

     October 9th, 1989

     https://youtu.be/r3nNSTUC9cQ

     I was at this one...I left the house with one dollar in my hand, 35 rows back, Phil's side

 

 

 

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    Virgil Cane is the name

    https://youtu.be/PKW6jq3uooc

 

     I was there during the "Johnny Too Bad" bust out at the Warfield Theatre...it was a "moment" to be sure

 

     UB40

     https://youtu.be/-MJNSoRNX4Q

 

 

     

     The Slickers

     Johnny Too Bad

     https://youtu.be/lRm7j2UL3YY

 

      By the way...could San Francisco exist, dare I say be recognizable without the herbal technology of Humboldt County all these many years? 

Talk about opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

You should change your handle to Idiot Wind

>>You should change your handle to Idiot Wind<<

doesn't richard thompson have a better would-be handle lyric?

>>>>>doesn't richard thompson have a better would-be handle lyric?

 

Yep.  Mr. Stupid.

Thanks Turtle.

 Can we give Bry ZOTY 2019 right now and move the fuck on?

 Can we give Bry ZOTY 2019 right now and move the fuck on?

 

     The Unbroken Chain "bust out"...correct me if I'm wrong, the first Unbroken Chain ever played publicly

     https://youtu.be/zYC8C_9v7zM

 

 

Bryen, "Continuing Robustly" lol.

 

 

 

 

y’all are posting in a bryen thread 

 

Weather Report Suite: Prelude, Parts 1 & 2

 

https://youtu.be/gF6KkGAnzCg

 

 

 

 

 

George Harrison – Be Here Now


Remember, now, be here now
As its not like it was before.
The past, was, be here now
As its not like it was before - it was

Why try to live a life,
That isn't real,
No how
A mind, that wants to wander,
Round a corner,
Is an un-wise mind

Now, is, be here now
And its not what it was before,
Remember, now, be here now
As its not like it was before - it was

https://youtu.be/sJjFzQHDA0k

 

     Valentine's Day 1970

     https://youtu.be/gmPhb-tWgBg

What a fool believes he sees

You might say you ain't got a hold on yourself
You might say you always try your best
You might say you only need a rest
You might say you can only fool yourself
I said fool yourself
I said fool yourself

Don't believe the words you read

>>>>What a fool believes

Damn it Dave, now you got that Michael McDonald song stuck in my head.

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     Ken, now that you're back from vacation...and by the way, thoroughly impressed with you & your family, your parents must be wonderful individuals, they raised two great gentlemen, please defend John Brennan, I'm curious as to the legal argument that would be put forward that he's not guilty of treason, thanks.

 

    * I realize that's an impossible task, but I'm curious what his defense might be

>>>>please defend John Brennan, I'm curious as to the legal argument that would be put forward that he's not guilty of treason,

You mean the former CIA director?   Sorry, I am not following all this as close as some and am unaware of any allegations the guy had committed treason.   What did he supposedly do?

>What did he supposedly do?

 

He dared to criticize Donnie. First Amendment rights now only apply to those praising the Trump regime/White Supremacists

"Bryen" only answers with YouTube links nobody clicks on...

 

 

     "He dared to criticize Donnie"

     ^ He did quite a bit more than that, soon it will be common knowledge..."now the die has shaken, now the die must fall" 

     

Okay, Bry, the onus is on you to prove him guilty. It’s not up to anyone to prove him innocent. Linking to opinion pieces without citations and facts doesn’t cut it. You’ve been yelling and screaming this shit for weeks, and have yet to provide a semblance of credible proof.

You don’t understand the difference between fact and opinion, do you?

 

 

     Brian...one of the last "bitter enders" of the Russia scam

You also clearly don’t understand the basic tenets of our Constitution and legal system.

Tell me if I’m right: you’re an East Coast kid. Somewhere between 88-90 you stayed on Summer Tour and went to CA. You spangled on the Haight, which you believed gave you the right to call yourself “family.” Over the years you did a lot of acid. You’re now just a middle aged spunion, who hasn’t been laid in at least 7 years.

Am I more factual than your silly conspiracy theories?

 

 

     I did do a brief stint of busking on Haight Street if you must know     

I pretty much nailed it, didn’t I?

 

     Busking is a beautiful thing, it's always been my "Plan B", are you shaming me as a street musician?  Street musicians are people too!

BK left out the part about this angry white lonely misogynistic male  and Trump cultist with  a cache of weapons and a manifesto based on QAnon conspiracy theories.

 Oh, but he’s cool because he  has seen Jerry more than anyone. And he’s been to confession. 

 

     I am cool Nancy!!!!!

>>>>>Oh, but he’s cool

highly debatable 

I have no issues with busking. A bunch of dirt surfers banging pots and pans in a drum circle isn’t busking. That’s glorified begging.

Set 1:

Reddit  Deadhead Stories 

Makes A Few Adjustments 

Owns It 

Deader Than Thou >

Gaslight Suite >

Deader Than Thou (reprise)

#*Haight Street Blues >

#*Busking Is Beautiful 

Musicians Are People Too

 

End Set 1

# Acoustic 

* Last time played 4/2/88

 

 

     I'll take a few requests...I think I may be able to post audio, I'll have to figure that out, I specialize in acoustic Garcia tunes, although I have a few originals 

Bryencel

 Can you post an acoustic “Believe it or Not” for us? It seems like an apropos ditty for this thread. 

Shouldn't this thread be turned into a "mini-movie"?

 

     I may be able to post this...it's been in my repertoire for some time now, I'm going to consult with my technical people     

     https://www.e-chords.com/chords/joey-scarbury/believe-it-or-not     

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Redneck, I share so many of your thoughts/opinions/ideas, and I love and admire Jimmy Carter, but I can't see him saying "fuck y'all". I think Carter was the only great President in my lifetime. Could I be forgetting someone? I don't think so.

>>>>I love and admire Jimmy Carter, but I can't see him saying "fuck y'all"

"I'll whip his ass." - Jimmy Carter on Ted Kennedy, his opponent in the 1980 Democratic Primary.

The world could have been a very different place if it wasn't for that sandstorm in the desert outside Tehran.   Here is a bumper sticker I have on my 2000 Outback (which just died):

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I can hear him saying "I'll whip his ass."  That's farming talk. Yeah, just a simple twist of fate...

So a Trump cultist who is also an angry white misogynistic dirt surfer, banging on pots and pans in a drum circle.  Cool.

Turns out said cultist saw Jerry more then anyone else ever!  Plus he specializes in acoustic Garcia tunes & takes requests!!  Way cool.  

Turning this thread into a mini-movie.  Way beyond way cool.  Cold as ice even.  Now we B talking.

The wholesale gutting of the grand jury process by demanding secret testimony based on what Congress wants is a very slippery slope...a slippery slope that has repercussions that should scare each and everyone of us<<<

"deck chairs"

Anticipating & respecting how a precedent may play out into the future is all well and good; at the same time,would it actually matter if the larger ship (context) known as the Rule of Law had sunken as a direct result of said information not having been made publicly available?

 

 

EVEN AFTER Christopher Columbus sailed from Spain to the New World and back, some naysayers surely clung to their shattered superstitions like life preservers after a shipwreck. “Who cares what Columbus says?” they likely whined. “The Earth IS flat. Columbus must have turned around and come home before he fell over the edge.”

Today’s Democrats resemble those 15th century bitter-enders. No matter what, many insist that Donald J. Trump and Russia colluded to win the White House. Even after Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation finally repudiated their destructive myth, they still scream: “Collusion!”

House Intelligence Committee chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., is the spiritual leader of the Congressional Collusion Caucus. He told CBS’ “Face the Nation” on Sunday: “I did say that there is ample evidence, and indeed there is, of collusion of people in the Trump campaign with the Russians.” Schiff told the Washington Post,“Undoubtedly there is collusion.”

Rather than extract proof of these grave charges this week, my three phone calls and three e-mails to Schiff’s office and communications director Patrick Boland yielded silence.

Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., likewise parrots this Big Lie. As he told Fox News Channel’s Martha MacCallum on Tuesday about Trump, “Just because he’s not been criminally indicted for collusion doesn’t mean he has not conducted colluding behavior with the Russians.”

Democratic presidential candidate Robert Francis O’Rourke, a former congressman from Texas, said Saturday, “You have a President who, in my opinion, beyond a shadow of a doubt, sought to, however ham-handedly, collude with the Russian government, a foreign power, to undermine and influence our elections.”

Two finished inquests and a preview of a third all debunked “Trump-Russia collusion.” Here’s what Democrat collusioholics ignore:

Robert Mueller’s 19 prosecutors were hardly Trump lovers. They included at least 14 Democrats, 12 of whom were campaign donors. Two maxed out to Hillary. Prosecutor Jeannie Rhee represented the Clinton Foundation. Aaron Zebley lawyered for Justin Cooper, Hillary’s aide who smashed her mobile devices with a hammer.

Despite Team Mueller’s sparkling Leftist credentials, “The Special Counsel’s investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election,” as Attorney General William Barr’s March 24 letter to Congress summarized.

Indeed, Barr wrote, Mueller learned that GOP operatives ignored “multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.” Thus, Mueller will issue no further indictments.

Team Mueller’s judgments were sober.

Across roughly 22 months, Mueller and his 19 prosecutors deployed 40 FBI agents. They asked 13 nations for evidence.

They executed almost 500 search warrants, grilled some 500 witnesses, and issued more than 2,800 subpoenas. Mueller’s probe was no moist finger in the wind.

Mueller’s verdict mirrors the House’s intelligence panel’s March 22, 2018 decision: “The Committee found no evidence that meetings between Trump associates — including Jeff Sessions — and official representatives of the Russian government — including [Moscow’s] Ambassador Kislyak — reflected collusion, coordination, or conspiracy with the Russian government.”

The then-GOP House Intelligence Committee’s “no-collusion” conclusion emerged after it interviewed 70 witnesses and reviewed 300,000 documents — hardly a superficial exercise.

The Senate Intelligence Committee’s final study is expected in August or September, per NBC News. Meanwhile, Chairman Richard Burr, R–N.C., told CBS News last week that “we don’t have anything that would suggest there was collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia.” Burr was even clearer Tuesday: “There is no factual evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.”

As of February, Senate Intelligence had spent two years conducting 200 interviews and scrutinizing 300,000 records. Thus, its preliminary no-collusion results stand on solid ground.

All told, some 770 interviews and 600,000 documents (perhaps with some overlap) have prompted three independent investigations to declare — two definitively and one initially — that “Trump-Russia collusion” is a hoax.

How much more proof do Democrat flat-Earthers need before they can handle the truth?

     
https://www.unionleader.com/opinion/columnists/deroy-murdock-bitter-ende...

meanwhile in the real world

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Some on Mueller’s Team Say Report Was More Damaging Than Barr Revealed

WASHINGTON — Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/us/politics/william-barr-mueller-repo...

 

     Respectfully, to continue the charade of perpetuating the falsehood that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia at this late stage seems somewhat intellectually dishonest...I realize some of you are "all-in" at this point, but it's a bit sad.

Respectfully, to assume that William Barr's non summary summary of Robert S Mueller III's report is accurate, is sad.

If Muller's report proves that there was neither collusion nor obstruction, why not release the whole report?

At first even Donald enthusiastically called for the release of the report.  

In a series of recent tweets, Donald disparaged congressional Democrats for their efforts to obtain the full report.

Is it any surprise that President Donald Trump appeared to have backpedaled on Tuesday from his initial desire for special counsel Robert Mueller’s report to be released to Congress and the public?

 

     Dave, do you remember the day the Buzzfeed report came out a couple months ago and Mueller immediately issued a rare statement that very day saying it was malarkey?  Is the operational theory that William Barr announces  the office of special counsel stated in their report that the Trump campaign didn't conspire with Russia and Mueller is sitting around quietly allowing his report to be misinterpreted?  Think about that for a moment.

Waiting 4 Mueller 2 (immediately) issue a (rare) statement that this mornings NY Times report is malarkey. 

 

 

     I'm sure Mueller is comfortable with Barr's statement in spite of the best "journalistic efforts" of the New York Times to muddy the waters, so you may have a long wait.

    "The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election."

     You may want to take note of the lack of ambiguity or room for interpretation.

Robert Mueller’s Team Says Report Had More Troubling Details About Trump Than William Barr Revealed

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/special-counsel-investigators-mueller-rep...

 

Sounds like Barr and his team really AREN'T comfortable with Barr's statement...

meanwhile in the real world<<<

Seditious traitors

>>>>>meanwhile in the real world

 

not sure we can call a Govt Mule show the real world

"Sounds like Barr and his team really AREN'T comfortable with Barr's statement..."

If anyone cares, I meant to say 'Mueller and his team...'

Mueller is quoted as saying “While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,”

Barr and Rosenstein then added that they examined the obstruction evidence themselves, and decided that Trump’s conduct was not criminal. 

Sounds like Barr and Rosenstein read the report and gave Donald a clean bill of health. 

So like who needs to see the Mueller report when Barr and Rosenstein assure us that it’s all cool in the car pool?

Gently put down the glass of koolaid and step away from the keyboard.

 

If anyone cares, I meant to say 'Mueller and his team...'>>>

Obvious to some but thanks for the clarification.

 


Note to Team Mueller: If you don't indict, you can't incite

BY JOHN SOLOMON

I’ve covered the Justice Department for three decades, and seldom have I seen a story like the one published in the New York Times this week under the headline, “Some on Mueller's Team Say Report Was More Damaging Than Barr Revealed.”
What concerned me most is that the story’s anonymous allegations reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of the role prosecutors play, including special counsels such as Robert Mueller.
The job of prosecutors is not, as the Times headline suggested, to pen “damaging” narratives about people they couldn’t indict. And it’s not their job to air those people’s dirty laundry, or that of suspects outside of a grand jury room or a courtroom.

Mueller concluded there wasn’t evidence President Trump colluded with Russia to hijack the 2016 election, and therefore no indictment was warranted. And he punted on the question of obstruction, leaving his bosses — Attorney General William Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein — to determine that there wasn’t enough evidence to indict the president on that charge.
And, most significantly, there were no other people charged. That means Trump legally could not be named as an unindicted co-conspirator in an obstruction plot.
At that point, no federal prosecutor has the right to impugn an uncharged investigative target’s reputation through anonymous leaks or literary reports. They are not allowed to anonymously inject into the court of public opinion any “damaging” information about what they couldn’t succeed at offering in a court of law, as proof of criminality.

Prosecution isn’t a game of horseshoes or hand grenades where prosecutors get to score points or inflict damage without indicting the target. In fact, the Founding Fathers built a legal system specifically to avoid the tarring of citizens when there wasn’t enough proof to meet a criminal charge.
And nowhere is that intention to protect the citizenry more clear than in the rules governing grand juries. The federal justice system created grand juries so that evidence that was embarrassing or damaging to defendants could be weighed behind closed doors but never released if it did not rise to the level of provable criminality.
The Justice Department rules threaten any law enforcement officer or prosecutor with prosecution if they leak any proceeding that occurred before a grand jury. And the Justice Department rules governing grand juries unequivocally talk about the sanctity of protecting citizens who end up not being charged.
“The prosecutor must recognize that the grand jury is an independent body, whose functions include not only the investigation of crime and the initiation of criminal prosecution but also the protection of the citizenry from unfounded criminal charges,” the Justice Department rules say.

We know from statements the Justice Department made Thursday that grand jury subpoenas and testimony were so essential to the Mueller probe that nearly every one of the 400 pages of his final report contained some form of grand jury or classified information that needs to be redacted — i.e., protected from being used to level “unfounded criminal charges” against those not indicted.
When you see the rules by which prosecutors must abide, and compare it to the anonymous narrative in the Times article, one can see a real reason for concern.
Going to the court of public opinion to state there was “damaging” information in a probe that failed to prove criminal charges violates the letter and the spirit of the Justice Department manual. It also offends the essence of American justice that one remains innocent until proven guilty.
What’s most ironic about this Mueller probe leak is that it comes less than a year after former FBI Director James Comey was admonished publicly for holding a news conference to criticize Hillary Clinton for how she handled classified emails based on the results of an investigation that resulted in no criminal charges.
“We concluded that Comey’s unilateral announcement was inconsistent with Department policy and violated long-standing Department practice and protocol by, among other things, criticizing Clinton’s uncharged conduct,” the Justice Department inspector general wrote.

You’d think the Mueller prosecutors might have taken note of the admonishment.
So the first fault in the Times story rests clearly on the federal prosecutors who leaked to associates or directly to reporters.
I also believe the Times shares some fault. As a lifelong journalist I won’t criticize a news organization for reporting on a story such as this and quoting sources, especially if they were in a first-person position to really know. Journalists should strive to find out what their elected leaders such as Trump have done, whether criminal or not.
But I strongly believe — as did the news organization I worked for the longest in my professional career, The Associated Press — that we have an obligation as reporters to quote information anonymously only from first-hand sources.
There is compelling evidence — starting with the lead of the story — that the Times information comes anonymously from “associates” of the actual prosecutors. In other words, it is second-hand hearsay.

I’m not sure that rises to a strong journalistic standard.
Nonetheless, the bigger lesson here should be clear, both to the Mueller team members and the reporters who facilitated their anonymous griping.
In the American justice system, if you don’t indict, you cannot incite.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/437496-note-to-team-mueller-if-y...

Donald & Co greatest hits:  No collusion delusion > maga > build that wall > If you don't indict, you can't incite > keep America great > maga Reprise

 

Looks like Russian intel was able to dupe the Trumpers. No need to collude when duping works. 

 

 

     There were plenty of people who were "duped" as you put it...although perhaps not the people you may think.

 

     Druba, when the truth comes out, you'll understand the irony of that political cartoon.

I'm waiting for the actual Mueller report. 

 

 

 

"If there were no evidence of conspiracy and no evidence of obstruction the attorney general would have told us so—he didn’t."

--Judge Andrew Napolitano (Libertarian)

 

     Google the four words "what did Obama know"* and you'll begin to scratch the surface of what actually happened here.

 

    *As in "What did Obama know and when did he know it?".  Have a great day, you're welcome.

Lock Obama up. Others to jail include Saturday Night Live (all of ‘em) , NY Times, Washington Post, John McCain, Barbra Bush & Hillary.

The deep state has been plotting against Don since B4 his dad was born German. MAGA.

>> "what did Obama know"* <<

 

As the chief LEO of the USA the POTUS hopefully knew a lot.

What don't you understand about counter-intelligence investigations? If there's nothing illegal going on people will be cleared.

If you're suggesting Obama & Co. instructed FBI to create this Russian Hoax in order to torpedo the Trump campaign, they did a pretty shitty job by not telling anyone about it.

Your suggesting "what did Obama know" is very revealing.

 

     "It's not enough to speak, but to speak true."  -William Shakespeare

     

^ blah blah blah

"We learned about honesty and integrity - that the truth matters... that you don't take shortcuts or play by your own set of rules...

and success doesn't count unless you earn it fair and square."

~  Michelle Obama
 

 

     You'll figure it out, it may take longer for some than others...at the end of the day this will make Watergate seem like a bungled attempt at shoplifting.  

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    ^ it may take a while for some

     https://youtu.be/a4g35zDDElY

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     impressive 

Mirrors are very reflective.

 

     Any reflections on the treason of the failed coup attempt?

Let's start with actual definitions...

Coup: a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

So, no, I will not "reflect" on a false assertion. 

 

     Tom Fitton is a true American patriot, perhaps you could reflect on his remarks...or if unable to do so scramble to find a clever meme

     https://youtu.be/9V1-pyZaTxE

B-ryan = B-wrong 2.0

Comrade Bryen !

 

No doubt this forces the awards committee to add a 'Troll Of The Year' award.

 

Hey Bryen....are coups illegal? What about failed attempted coups?

I'll send $100 to the charity of your choice if anyone is ever indicted for treason and/or failed coup attempt (I''m not sure what the actual charge would be). Will you wager $100 and pay out if there's never any charges?

 

    "I'm not sure what the actual charge would be"

     Treason.

     Keep your money, your insights are an embarrassment of riches

 an embarrassment of riches <<<

 

rich in embarrassment would read better.

Yea, I'd be pretty embarrased posting those JW yootoobs. Sponsored by Reynolds Wrap...

You going to take the bet Bryen?

 

     Care to opine on Tom's discussion points?  Or should we just wait on more pictures?

Spell them out. I'm not here to transcribe that tripe. They said they tried to subpoena the Deep State (derp).

Care to spell Tom's discussion points?  Or should we just wait on more youtube links?

derp state

"Spell them out. I'm not here to transcribe that tripe."

...anxiously awaiting your valuable insight and/or pictures of cats


0:50 • accountability for the abuse of power
            that led to weaponizing the process

1:10 • illegal leaks of classified information 

1:30 • the media's role 

1:50 • Mueller's finding of no evidence 

1:55 • the dossier 

2:05 • presidential harassment 

2:20 • even after being disproven, the efforts to
           continue the scam

2:45 • Hillary planting the seeds of the scam in
           the 3rd debate

3:00 • Fusion GPS

3:25 • the cast of characters involved [Team
            Obama]

3:50 • the justification of spying on a rival
            presidential political campaign 

4:05 • James Comey setting the wheels in
            motion 

4:20 • Mueller purposefully extending the
            investigation longer than necessary 

5:05 • Judicial Watch's role in highlighting
            Mueller's abuses

6:05 • lawsuits filed on coup d'état discussions
            in the FBI & department of justice

6:15 • successfully obtaining the documents 

6:25 • uncovering the FISA applications

6:45 • NO FISA HEARINGS!!!!! [4 separate
            judges, no hearings]

7:35 • Christopher Steele's 13 meetings with
           the FBI during the campaign, 11 of which
           he picked up a paycheck from both the
           FBI and the Clinton campaign

7:45 • FBI fires Christopher Steele

8:35 • the successful FOIA request that
            uncovered the relationship between
            Christopher Steele, Fusion GPS & Bruce
            Ohr

9:05 • uncovering the Andrew Weismann-Sally
            Yates connection 

10:15 • forcing the Andrew McCabe recusal 

10:50 • the pursuit of justice continues 

Taking the bet?

 

     Thanks for the brilliant discussion.  I, nor the charity of my choice wish to gain from this tyranny, I'll cover Judicial Watch $100 for good measure.

lol...got it.

That print out reads like a Alex Jones 101 syllabus.

 

     I think we all "got it" Ned...care to share your thoughts on the subject?

No no no, Bryen. You know more than everyone. We will find out in time, though, right? Only a select group know the REAL truth. Thank goodness you're a member of that special group! We're blessed to have you here with Us!

 

     That's what I thought, have a great evening 

> accountability 

> accountability for the abuse of power
Donald abusing power?  Say it ain’t so.

> illegal leaks of classified information 

Like when Donald told Sergey Kislyak that he fired Comey?

> the media's role 

ah the fake news revelation 

> Mueller's finding of no evidence 

so Barr gave Donald Mueller’s Report? 

 

Discussing all this with Bryen is so fun. Of course considering how many times Bryen saw Jerry we all feel honored to talk politics

with him.  Or at least some of us do.

Thx 4 sharing your intuition, 

perception, 

awareness, 

discernment,

 understanding, 

comprehension, 

apprehension,

 appreciation, 

cognizance, 

penetration, 

acumen,

 astuteness, 

perspicacity, 

perspicaciousness, 

sagacity,

 sageness, 

discrimination, 

judgment,

 shrewdness,

sharpness,

 sharp-wittedness,

 acuity, 

acuteness, 

flair, 

breadth of view, 

vision, 

far-sightedness,

prescience and imagination.

The Zone is a better place for it. 

 

     You're welcome, it's been a labor of love 

>>>>The Zone is a better place for it. 

i respectfully disagree 

trump was such a bozo, the nfl owners wouldn't even let him in the club.

 

>> i respectfully disagree 

IMHO everyone out here can put in their 2 cents. 

I may not agree with their political stance, but since one can either discuss or ignore said defense, let people express their opinions.   

These Trumpers confuse me.  Like do they even believe these Trumpism’s or R they just fans of chaos & confusion. 

I tend 2 doubt that Bryen is serious in his defense of D, but I guess I could be wrong.  In the end, like so what. 

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>>>>I tend 2 doubt that Bryen is serious in his defense of D, but I guess I could be wrong.  In the end, like so what. 

because I don’t think trolls make any comment board a better place 

>> I tend 2 doubt that Bryen is serious in his defense of D, but I guess I could be wrong.  In the end, like so what. 

>>> because I don’t think trolls make any comment board a better place 

Duly noted. 

 

     I hope that those who observe these discussions take note that there are few, if any, repudiations of the discussion points...mainly just pictures of cats and disgruntled naysayers, grasping at the last straws of the scam.  I used to think these were generally nice people, as I'm sure some of them are...I'm not entirely convinced all of them are, perhaps I'm a bit overly frustrated at the lack of intellectual honesty at this point, although I'm sure many have redeemable qualities.

Not our job to debunk any of Bry’s  conspiracies. Besides, as a trump cultist and QAnon devotee, Bry isn’t capable of accepting facts or reality. Best we can do to help him is to offer up prayers and vibes. 

 

 

And music links, of course.

 

 

 

 

 

Cool charts but we still have Trump until someone beats him on SMACKDOWN or RAW.

Maybe a locker room takedown with a folding chair. 

those who observe these discussions<<<

can't help but wonder if you have a deep seated yearning to simply have a platform to be recognized; any platform at any cost; without regard for how it may undermine the most basic needs of others?

Prayers & Vibes 4 all participants   smiley

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNTltOGh5c

 

     Namaste 

     https://youtu.be/X48G7Y0VWW4

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Gyuto Monks Tantric Choir - The Perfect Jewel- Sacred Chants of Tibet

https://youtu.be/INIMACWzMsI

  >  I hope that those who observe these discussions take note that there are few, if any, repudiations of the discussion points<

 

For the past year, people have fact posted factual  information to counter your propaganda,  but you dismiss it with talk of a derp state coup; or like you just did regarding noodler's charts, you post a series of YouTube links, hoping to bury info in the thread. 

 

 

Are the any other conspiracy theories which you hang your hat on?

Moon landing a fake?

Climate change a scam?

Sandy Hook a false flag attack?

 

You've beaten your derp state coup conspiracy to death, please educate us with more knowledge from the fringe.

What does Dan Bongino do for the president? 

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Again, a "manufactured platform" to feel important.  

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hewty

"False Witness"

Someone falsely claims to be a witness of a murder & jumps in full hog - blaming an innocent (trapper from MASH) - simply to feel "important".

Those espousing Sedition in 2019 need to be held accountable in the same light ... not being aware of your mind's contortions is not an excuse.

 

     Ok, counter any of the discussion points I made note of yesterday Lumber, FOM [Captain Sedition]...have at it

 

    * I'll wait patiently 

 

     When cornered and bankrupt of all legitimate rebuttal, simply label it a conspiracy.

^When cornered and bankrupt of all legitimate rebuttal, simply label it a conspiracy<

 

You are alleging a conspiracy. So you not know the meaning of the word?

con·spir·a·cy

/kənˈspirəsē/

Learn to pronounce

noun

a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful

No, you prove your accusations, but please use factual information. The onus is on the one making the accusations. 

If i besmirch your character,  it would not your responsibility to prove me wrong, the onus would be on me to support my statement with facts...

For example,  i find you loathsome and abhorrent  because of your defense of the rapists among the Catholic clergy. 

 

Or you can go back through past threads to see much of your drivel addressed.

 

I see no proof in anything you have posted, simply opinions and accusations. 

Let me guess, the truth will be revealed any day now?

 

 

Any thoughts on the other conspiracy theories i posted?

Moon landing a fake?

Climate change a scam?

Sandy Hook a false flag attack?

 

 

     

      "I see no proof in anything you have posted, simply opinions and accusations." 

      That's complete malarkey as I'm sure you're well aware...I'll randomly pick one of the discussion points that is a matter of fact, how

      about this one:  

     "NO FISA HEARINGS!!!!! [4 separate judges, no hearings]"

Tucker Carlson floats a theory: What if Trump is secretly trying to sink his own reelection bid? 

 

     How about this one Mr. Lumber?

  • the successful FOIA request that
    uncovered the relationship between
    Christopher Steele, Fusion GPS & Bruce
    Ohr

>>  "NO FISA HEARINGS!!!!! [4 separate judges, no hearings]"

 

The people making this argument—including the president—are drawing a false equivalency between a FISA judge asking “tough, probing questions,” and holding a “hearing.”

The court’s letter and various public statements, as well as the statistical evidence, show that FISA applications are subjected to exacting scrutiny; the FISA Court is not a rubber stamp. And they show that this scrutiny is effectuated in many ways, most of them informal—e.g., regular or ad-hoc telephone calls and meetings between the Court and the government—rather than more formal hearings. The absence of a “hearing” on the Carter Page FISAs does not in any way suggest that the FISA Court treated the applications casually or carelessly.

 

https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-fisa-court-really-works

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     Dave, would you agree those FISA warrants were procured under false pretense?  [Which at this point is absolute matter of fact by the way]

>NO FISA HEARINGS!!!!! [4 separate judges, no hearings]<

 

See nycdave's post from 10:54 am.

 

>Dave, would you agree those FISA warrants were procured under false pretense?  [Which at this point is absolute matter of fact by the way]<

Your saying it is fact does not make it so, back it up with actual facts.

 >the successful FOIA request that
    uncovered the relationship between
    Christopher Steele, Fusion GPS & Bruce
    Ohr<

 

People in DC diplomatic circles know each other? SCANDALOUS!

 

Brayin', are you familiar with Steele's work in MI6?

 

 

    "FISA applications are subjected to exacting scrutiny"

    ^ please elaborate...this should be interesting 

 

     "are you familiar with Steele's work in MI6?"

      Are you referencing the foreign agent Hillary hired to collude with Russian agents...that Christopher Steele?

 * I'll wait patiently<<<

How long do you expect us to continue to "play along" while you go in circles with no long term memory?

Again, you apparently need a platform to feel "important" and obviously don't give a shit if you're willing to abandon reason to stand on the bodies of your brother's and sisters,

There might be unconditional love inside you, but it's clearly not steering the ship.

I also suspect you're too much of a coward to sign off on your claims; in so far as ultimately being held accountable for Sedition.

 

     ^ Captain Sedition...a one trick pony

     Care to opine on any of the discussion points?

^Are you referencing the foreign agent Hillary hired to collude with Russian agents...that Christopher Steele<

more allegations not based on facts.

 

Are you familiar with Mr Steele's work in MI6?

 

 

I am truly interested on your thoughts...

Sandy Hook a false flag attack?

 

     

 

     "more allegations not based on facts"

     Which allegation are you disputing Mr. Lumber?

     A) Hillary hired Christopher Steele to impact a presidential election 

     B) Christopher Steele is a foreign agent

     C) Christopher Steele colluded with Russian agents 

 

     Is that checkmate?  Let me know, I'd like to get on the golf course soon, thanks

 

 

When is Trump releasing the FISA stuff?

A) Steele was hired by Fusion GPS, who was originally contracted by folks at the Washington Free Beacon. 

B) Steele was not an agent working on behalf of any government,  he was employed by an American company  

C)An allegation not based on facts

 

Your turn...

Are you familiar with Mr Steele's work in MI6?

 

And....

 

I am truly interested...

Moon landing a fake?

 

 

 

 

     ...that's what I figured, total denial of reality, clever move

^Yep, no facts from you, just opinions and allegations. 

 

And you never answer the questions that you are asked.

Why is that?

 

     

     A) Steele was hired by Fusion GPS, who was originally contracted by folks at the Washington Free Beacon. 

     Let's discuss Fusion GPS, namely the traitor Glenn Simpson 

     B) Steele was not an agent working on behalf of any government,  he was employed by an American company  

     Was Christopher Steele an American, or a foreign spy?

     C) An allegation not based on facts

     You're either delusional or intentionally disingenuous with malice & forethought 

 

     * Is that checkmate?  I really do have a busy day on the links, if you're not acquiescing I'll check in later

 

 

A) Go ahead 

B) He was an employee working for an American company. It's illegal for an American company to hire a foreign citizen?

C) Again, no facts. Prove your allegation , or fuck off.

On  2013, Carter Page wrote; "Over the past half year I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the Kremlin.”

On March 21, 2016 Donald Trump announced Page as a foreign policy advisor in his campaign.  After news reports began to appear describing Page's links to Russia and Putin's government, Page stepped down from his role as the Trump campaign advisor.  Upon his departure, Trump campaign communications director Jason Miller said of Page, "He’s never been a part of our campaign. Period."

While Bryen is busy golfing, I’m curious why he would bring up Carter Page as proof of Donald’s innocence of anything & everything.  Though since Bryen saw Jerry more times then anyone ever, that must mean something. I guess. 

Anything going on in here?

 ^ Captain Sedition...a one trick pony<<<

I don't really give a rat's ass about anything else.

The legal system simply needs to be allowed to proceed ... and let the chips fall where they may.

Without any proof the legal system has been wholely compromised, you don't have a platform to stand on and what you currently believe to be your "voice" goes away ... unless you cling to it and contribute to havoc that will be unleashed upon on other's lives. 

Perhaps you need to find your true inner voice.  I know it's there.  Remember, "unconditional love"?

 

     Interesting development  

     https://youtu.be/QVxdW--0DnA

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    ^ the bitter-enders meme brigade

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     Brilliant work guys, strong effort

 

     Very clever Redneck, you have a genuine aptitude for this, keep up the good work...there's certainly a need for your talents in the resistance!  

You got any facts yet, bryen? 

 

     If you are still in a state of denial that this was anything other than a failed coup attempt you obviously have plenty of company on this message board and pockets of society, but that doesn't make you any less wrong.  When I use the term "brainwashed", I'm not being figurative, I'm being quite literal.  History will take note of the magnitude of this unprecedented, coordinated effort on behalf of media organizations and elements within our government that have taken otherwise functional, intelligent minds and transformed them by the millions into mush.  There will be a time in the not too distant future when you will hesitate to admit you were so easily fooled.

>> When I use the term "brainwashed", I'm not being figurative, I'm being quite literal, history will take note of the magnitude of this unprecedented, coordinated effort on behalf of media organizations and elements within our government that have taken otherwise functional, intelligent minds and transformed them by the millions into mush. <<

 

Would you agree that Trump's attempt to undermine Obama's legitimacy regarding his birth certificate, etc was a similar coup attempt and to "literally" brainwash?

>> History will take note of the magnitude of this unprecedented, coordinated effort on behalf of media organizations and elements within our government that have taken otherwise functional, intelligent minds and transformed them by the millions into mush.  

So history will show that Donald & Co did nothing wrong ever & that the deep state is comprised of elements within our government & media  organizations. Why is everyone always picking on poor put upon Donald?  Side note; will history also prove that Barak wasn’t born in America & that we locked her up?  

yes Yes YES....and OBAMA locked up all those bambinos.

"Bryen" hates this investigation but thinks it's just fine that Trump tried to oust a sitting president by

claiming, with zero proof, that he wasn't born in the USA.

Sound like a coup attempt to me....

What do you say about this?

Yes, we already know, nothing except one of your deflections.

Have at it! 

Love to everyone! Especially to that white guy who tried to get that black guy kicked out of office!

 

     Chuck Todd in absolute freak mode...that should tell anyone paying attention something.  

 

              A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

    -Marcus Tullius Cicero

     Speaking to the Roman Senate, as recorded by Sallust in The Catiline War (c. 40 b.c.).

Still no facts, Brayin', 

 

Please provide evidence that 

A)Chuck Todd is a traitor 

B) Glen Simpson is a Traitor 

C) Christopher Steele colluded with Russians. 

 

Facts please.

 

 

And...

Sandy Hook...false flag attack?

Let me see if I understand this. So Chuck Todd, Barak Obama, plus the FBI & CIA have all committed treasonous acts. 

If memory serves me well, reason is punishable by the death penalty. Is that we are going?

 

Lol @ Chuck Todd ... he's in the minor leagues compared to the likes of Hannity; who is one of the biggest Seditionists going at the moment ... so much so that his speech might one day be recognized as a new "fire in a crowded theater" yardstick for Sedition.    If all of this weren't so dangerous / scary, I'd find it fascinating re: implications pertaining to the 1st Amendment.

 

     I just thought of Chuck as a barometer of sorts, I suppose I should have spelled that out for some of you.  Today was a seismic event, if you're not up to speed on things turn on any cable news outlet.  I realize there are many of you who are innocently in over your head with what is happening, let me go out of my way to not cast blame...but you may want to figure out what side of the fence you're on, if you've been procrastinating on that front, today might be a good day to figure it out.  We are witnessing history.  

Bryen sounds like a homeless person ranting on a street corner.  

Bryen, do you mean to sound condescending?

Barometer of the comb forward maybe ... at least I'm not aware of there being such a thing as "Chuck Todd Kool-Aid" akin to Hannity fanatics or ditto heads.

The only seismic event is the wholesale establishment of a phony investigation as somehow having any semblance of legitimacy

You and other two-bit Seditionists must feel real big?

 

    "Bryen, do you mean to sound condescending?"

     If that seems condescending, I apologize, I'm trying to get a gauge of the room...moreover, let me redouble my efforts to be respectful, the gravity of the event requires it.  Today was significant, a watershed moment in the 243 years of the republic.  At the end of the day, you have an affinity for one of the great musicians to have ever walked the earth to have stumbled onto this website, I'm honestly trying to do everyone a favor by explaining what is taking place, I'll attempt to do so without sounding condescending.

 

    "The only seismic event is the wholesale establishment of a phony investigation as somehow having any semblance of legitimacy"

     Is there a "Zoner Ironic Statement Award", or "ZISA", presented at the end of the calendar year?  

 I'm trying to get a gauge of the room<<

 

This corner says GFY, troll!

 

     It's a process...anyways, the next few days will be fascinating, fasten your seatbelt.  You'll remember where you were when this treason becomes common knowledge, this was the Orwellian tyranny you read about in high school.  At some point it will reach a critical mass that will dwarf the efforts of the propagandists.  We are witnessing a critically important event in the history of the republic.

     Namaste.

     

>>> I'm honestly trying to do everyone a favor by explaining what is taking place <<<

While it's possible that you are sincere in your belief that you're doing everyone a favor, in no way is it a favor.

I have the impression that you think you're giving "everyone" info they should believe, but no. It doesn't matter how many times you say something, it won't become true by repetition. My son used to tell us that we didn't understand what he was saying if we disagreed with him. His teenage self thought that if we understood, we'd agree with him and since we didn't, he'd try again. It was truly tedious.

 

     Judit, respectfully, what I'm guessing is the difference in that analogy, is that I happen to be correct, for whatever that may be worth.  I fully appreciate the fact that I'm going against the grain, but that "in and of itself" shouldn't impact my ability to do so. 

     https://youtu.be/Z26BvHOD_sg

 

     

George Harrison – Be Here Now Lyrics
Remember, now, be here now
As its not like it was before.
The past, was, be here now
As its not like it was before - it was

Why try to live a life,
That isn't real,
No how
A mind, that wants to wander,
Round a corner,
Is an un-wise mind

Now, is, be here now
And its not what it was before,
Remember, now, be here now
As its not like it was before - it was

https://youtu.be/sJjFzQHDA0k

 

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     Pink Floyd

     Atom Heart Mother Suite (Full Song)

     https://youtu.be/Fku7hi5kI-c

 

     If

     https://youtu.be/e2G8EWy-plM

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     Pink Floyd

     Any Color You Like

     https://youtu.be/bK7HJvmgFnM

 

     Pink Floyd

     Interstellar Overdrive  

     https://youtu.be/4o2sA0vpA-4

 

 

     Pink Floyd 

     Astronomy Domine

     https://youtu.be/QawLRFL0Js0

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     When You Wish Upon A Star - sung by Jiminy Cricket (Cliff Edwards)

     https://youtu.be/HKh6XxYbbIc

 

     This song is a double entendre*...it appears to be a song about love, which it is, but it's also a song about psychedelic consciousness 

     https://youtu.be/uIR0KXi58yg

 

 

 

    * great band name

 

     Aretha Franklin  

     Bridge Over Troubled Water

     Switzerland, 1971

     https://youtu.be/FoVezjpRgKE

>> Today was significant, a watershed moment in the 243 years of the republic.  

Bryen is in celebratory mode. Donald has his Roy Cohen.  He said on Wednesday that he would scrutinize the F.B.I.’s Russia investigation, asserting that they had spied on the Trump campaign. His remarks are certain to please our POTUS, who has alleged that his campaign was targeted out of political malice.  

So what if the Russians did anything.  Perhaps it was a 400 pond hacker.  Let’s go after Obama’s spies.  

In addition Bryen plans to redouble his efforts to educate Zoners.  

Oh joy. 

 

>>> While it's possible that you are sincere in your belief that you're doing everyone a favor, in no way is it a favor.

I have the impression that you think you're giving "everyone" info they should believe, but no. It doesn't matter how many times you say something, it won't become true by repetition. My son used to tell us that we didn't understand what he was saying if we disagreed with him. His teenage self thought that if we understood, we'd agree with him and since we didn't, he'd try again. It was truly tedious. <<<

 

Very well said Judit.

 

Bryen after taking a spanking ALWAYS YouTube's it up, tries to bury it and that's what a troll will do.

 

Bryen = Troll

What benefits has Putin received from his puppet Trump? What was the quid pro quo?

 

Bryen after taking a spanking ALWAYS YouTube's it up, tries to bury it<<<<

^ this, with perhaps a subconcious element of jumping in the shower and vigorously scrubbing one's body while repeating "not clean, not clean"

Sedition

 

The FBI plot to spy on Donald and throw the presidency to Hillary has at least two severe factual issues to overcome before it is seen as anything but ludicrous.

first, why did the FBI hide the Russia investigation until after the election?

second, why did the FBI throw Clinton under the bus a week before the election with the bogus claim that they just found new emails, which was untrue?

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I find the accusations of treason, towards a legal investigation, extremely disconcerting. It’s also terrifying that Barr has made a willy-nilly claim of spying. It’s this kind of shit that is the real threat to our Republic.

Hillary was investigated for years on nothing but political grounds. Had she become POTUS, and then used her power to “investigate the investigators, it would have been just as scary.

There was no fucking coup. It was a legal investigation, and Trump wasn’t indicted. That’s exactly how a valid investigation should go. 

Do people really not see that Trump’s rhetoric on this is the real threat?

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I find the accusations of treason, towards a legal investigation, extremely disconcerting. It’s also terrifying that Barr has made a willy-nilly claim of spying. It’s this kind of shit that is the real threat to our Republic.

Hillary was investigated for years on nothing but political grounds. Had she become POTUS, and then used her power to “investigate the investigators, it would have been just as scary.

There was no fucking coup. It was a legal investigation, and Trump wasn’t indicted. That’s exactly how a valid investigation should go. 

Do people really not see that Trump’s rhetoric on this is the real threat?

I don’t know about the rest of you, but I find the accusations of treason, towards a legal investigation, extremely disconcerting. It’s also terrifying that Barr has made a willy-nilly claim of spying. It’s this kind of shit that is the real threat to our Republic<<<<

As I've been saying, it's Seditious from the accepted / established Rule of Law and institutions.

It's been going on for a long time, but it's now been taken on in a more official capacity ... although Barr is crafty enough to still walk the line re: plausible deniability.

Dems need to bring him back and hold his feet to the fire and commit one way or the other.

It really has to come from patriots on both sides of the aisle. This isn’t a partisan issue, it’s one that cuts to the core of our system.

It really has to come from patriots on both sides of the aisle. This isn’t a partisan issue, it’s one that cuts to the core of our system.

It really has to come from patriots on both sides of the aisle. This isn’t a partisan issue, it’s one that cuts to the core of our system.<<<<

Of course it does, but are you holding your breath?

For this reason, Dems need to up their game to compel their colleagues on the other side of the aisle to "commit" one way or the other ... essentially forcing their hand.

>> What benefits has Putin received from his puppet Trump? What was the quid pro quo?

Here are twelve ways that Putin has received his payout:

Putin’s Goal: Weaken and divide the transatlantic alliance.

Putin’s Payout:Trump undermines US relationships with European allies and calls the US’s commitment to NATO into question.

Putin’s Goal: Degrade the European Union and foster pro-Russian political movements.

Putin’s Payout:Trump attacks the EU and actively supports anti-EU, Kremlin-backed parties.

Putin’s Goal: Disrupt American leadership and dominance of the global economic order.

Putin’s Payout: Trump is eagerly pushing for an all-out trade war with Europe

Putin’s Goal: Build global resentment and distrust towards the US and stoke anti-American sentiment.

Putin’s Payout: America’s closest allies are explicitly suspicious and distrusting of the US because of Trump’s rhetoric and actions.

Putin’s Goal: Relieve economic and domestic political pressure from US sanctions on Russia.

Putin’s Payout: Trump tries to roll back, impede, and blunt the impact of sanctions at every step.

Putin’s Goal: Legitimize his regime in the eyes of the world.

Putin’s Payout: Trump repeatedly praises and defends Putin, lending the credibility of the US presidency to Putin’s standing.

Putin’s Goal: Revive Russia’s status as a great power and gain international recognition for its illegal seizure of Crimea.

Putin’s Payout:Trump publicly says that Crimea is part of Russia and calls for Russia to be welcomed back into the international community with no concessions.

Putin’s Goal: Continue to sow discord in Western democracies and avoid repercussions for interfering in American and European elections.

Putin’s Payout: Trump dismisses Russian interference and has done nothing to prevent future interference, putting him at odds with his own intelligence community.

Putin’s Goal: Soften America’s adversarial stance toward Russia.

Putin’s Payout: Trump is shifting the Republican Party’s generations-long hawkish views on Russia.

Putin’s Goal: Destabilize the US from within.

Putin’s Payout: Trump attacks US institutions while driving divisive politics and eroding democratic norms.

Putin’s goal: Advance the Kremlin’s narrative to shape global perceptions.

Putin’s payout: Trump has repeatedly, and inexplicably, parroted Kremlin talking points across a range of global issues.

Putin’s goal: Undermine international norms and democratic values abroad.

Putin’s payout: Trump has repeatedly failed to respond to human rights violations or support democracy abroad, creating a more permissive environment for autocrats to crack down.

 

Who benefits more from a continuation of an adversarial relationship with Russia? The American people or the military industrial complex?

Why would the State Department under Hillary Clinton approve the Uranium One deal that would give control of U.S. uranium production to a Russian controlled company? Does that seem right?

Was Hillary in charge of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States?

 

Because those are the agencies that approved the uranium one deal.

Obama and Clinton also implicitly signed off on the deal by raising no objections. Does that make it right?

Congress also authorized military action against Iraq and Afghanistan too, were those decisions right?

 

Sounds to me Timmy that if something has the full weight of powerful governmental and corporate interests, in spite of the hypocrisy of the action in question, you don't question it.

You're a model citizen Timmy!

What hypocrisy?

You believe in Bigfoot, don’t you?

^ huh, what da fug?

LOL

>>>   Uranium One deal that would give control of U.S. uranium production to a Russian controlled company

 

 

first hint that you are either an idiot, a troll, or both, is when you use phrases like "control of US uranium production".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/26/fact-check-what-...

 

Yeah, perhaps i could've phrased that more accurately. Notwithstanding that mistake, you would think the Russia phobes on this dbmb would take exception to a deal that is beneficial to our arch enemies and possibly indicative of a national security threat.

Go run along now Steve, big brother needs you to kiss its ass some more

>>>>>possibly indicative of a national security threat.

 

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States didn’t think it was a threat.

You realize you’re echoing debunked right wing conspiracy theories, right?

 

 

Dude, that deal should never have been approved. No conspiracy.

Were talking THE RUSSIANS here buddy- remember we hate them?

>>>>>that deal should never have been approved

 

Why not?

The level of cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Imagine if the Uranium One deal went through under Trump..  HOLY FUCKING END OF THE WORLD IT WOULD BE AROUND HERE

>> Yeah, perhaps i could've phrased that more accurately. <<

LOL.

Wasn't the FISA application and subsequent "spying" on Carter Page after he left the Trump campaign?

The amount of real estate that Hillary still takes up in people like Lassen and thoms brains is both funny and sad. 

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JR, i hope you and Rachel recover from your derangement syndrome!

 

 

 

     

     People wishing to publicly apologize as of April 18th, 2019 for falsely accusing the Trump campaign of conspiring with Russia to impact the 2016 presidential election:

1 ____________________
2 ____________________
3 ____________________
4 ____________________
5 ____________________
6 ____________________
7 ____________________
8 ____________________
9 ____________________
10 ___________________

OMG

"Bry" still loves his Russian puppet.

Thats cute.

Hahahaha hahhhahahahh hah

 Mueller suggests a pattern of behavior by Trump to harm the investigation.
Mueller says obstruction laws apply to presidents who use their executive powers corruptly.
 The report explicitly states that the investigation did not clear the president.
 Vol. II, Page 182: If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.

The report laid bare that Mr. Trump was elected with the help of a foreign power, and cataloged numerous meetings between Mr. Trump’s advisers and Russians seeking to influence the campaign and the presidential transition team — encounters set up in pursuit of business deals, policy initiatives and political dirt about Hillary Clinton, the Democratic candidate for president.

History will be kinder to racist elf Jeff Sessions than Bill Barr.

>>>History will be kinder to racist elf Jeff Sessions than Bill Barr.

Isn't that the case.  It's a fucked up world when Jeff Sessions has some of the most integrity of the whole fucked up bunch,

 


     I realize these are difficult days for some of you, when I experience a depressing event, I often listen to this song for encouragement.  
     

     A failed coup attempt is an extraordinary moment in history, but the sun will surely rise tomorrow, and continue to shine on this great nation...perhaps we've learned something as a society.


Julie Andrews
https://youtu.be/33o32C0ogVM

Phil Lesh & Friends
https://youtu.be/mD25tJT9sW8

My Favorite Things
Rodgers & Hammerstein 1959

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings
These are a few of my favorite things

Cream colored ponies and crisp apple strudels
Doorbells and sleigh bells and schnitzel with noodles
Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings
These are a few of my favorite things

Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes
Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes
Silver white winters that melt into springs
These are a few of my favorite things

When the dog bites, when the bee stings
When I'm feeling sad
I simply remember my favorite things
And then I don't feel so bad

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings
These are a few of my favorite things

Cream colored ponies and crisp apple strudels
Doorbells and sleigh bells and schnitzel with noodles
Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings
These are a few of my favorite things

Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes
Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes
Silver white winters that melt into springs
These are a few of my favorite things

When the dog bites, when the bee stings
When I'm feeling sad
I simply remember my favorite things
And then I don't feel so bad

How could anyone in their right mind consider Trump's presidency some sort of victory?  

little donnie

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     Edelweiss

     https://youtu.be/mMuTDdWXbNo

I can't believe you saps are still badgering one another about this horse shit.

You sound like idiots.

Just let Bry embrace the lies they feed him and the rest of us will embrace what is actually going on. 

Let It Be

 

 

     The Rasmatazs, the Nancys, the Lumbers...the FOMs of this world will always defend treason, as long as it's a "means to an end", they're "all in" supporting the failed coup attempt.  Obviously the brainwashed masses will continue to watch CNN & MSNBC and flop about on various message boards like fish on the deck of a boat.  There are many lessons to be learned from the last two years, the psychological experiment of the "Svengali Effect" may be the most curious of all, aspects of the media have established a literal hypnotic impact on the most vulnerable.  We live in interesting times.

 

Fuck you, Brayin'. You either did not read the report,  are too stupid to understand the report,  or you are a POS.

I believe that it is the latter 

Bryen is using the ol' Nick-esque reverse I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I-ism troll. Except, Nick was harmless.

Bryen is actually doing Putin's bidding, directly, which is kind of fucked up if you think about it.

Bryen, you're being used. Pull up your pants and clean the side of your mouth.

 

 

    ^ a "snapshot" of the resistance, stay classy Ned

Bryen, the russian troll.

Just a troll, not Russian, not conservative, and I doubt he believes 1/10 of the shit he types. He’s here to do what he’s doing. My guess is that he’s a sock.

Fire on the Mountain > Victim or the Crime > Throwin Stones. 

e. Baby Blue

Silly wabbits, you can't change a trump'rs mind.  

Their minds are totally controlled, and have been stuffed into fox's mold, and Bry will do as he is told.

You ain't changing that type of mind.  One that's incapable of deciphering fact from fiction,

and lacking the ability to ever learn the difference. Stunted, if you will. It's actually a type of retardation.

Y'all just sound silly trying.

May as well just ---

 

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More like why is he trying to change our minds? 

He'd have better luck on another list. Any suggestions ?

The Julie Andrew's list

The Weenie Hut Jr list

The Ed Sheehan List

the FOMs of this world<<<

... feel great angst at having to confront so directly our fellow brothers and sisters who've lost their way, but feel it's worth the effort now up front even if "nothing works" in effort to help you to abandon emotion and adopt reason in your overall thought process.

 

 

     I'll put it another way...either you've made your peace with treason, having rationalized it a thousand ways, which I suspect is the case with the vast majority of you, or you're completely brainwashed.  There's a third scenario, which I hope is the case for those who have yet to weigh in, that you want no part of this tyranny.  I hope that for you all, I hope it for the generations of your families.

Let me also put it another way:  ned is 100% correct, you're acting like just another one of Putin's "zombies"

 

     I will hope good things for Ned.

Let me put it this way... either you've made your peace with obstruction of justice, not to mention someone working for the same goals as Russia and Assange, and having rationalized it in a thousand ways, which one can suspect is the case with Bryen, or he’s completely brainwashed.  There's a third scenario which has been discussed ad nauseam. 


 

 

     ...while I hope good things for Ned, and all of you for that matter, some of you are truly the most classless, crass, obscene, grotesque, vile, in-the-gutter lowlifes I've ever had interaction with, as disgusting as it has been, I don't feel badly for myself, it is what it is, I feel sorry that you're going through life at such a low wavelength of consciousness as to be capable of typing the trash you've written, it's regrettable.

    Have a nice evening.

 

   note:  Dave, you're clearly brainwashed 

Bryen. Thanks for sharing your impressions of me.

Have a swell evening. 

 

     You're welcome, all the very best

I'd bet $100 that Bryen hasn't got laid for quite some time.  Talk about delusional incel behavior...sheesh!

 

    ^ exhibit A

Bryen IMHO you can (on occasion) amuse.  

Do you participate in this discussion to be a contrarian, or because you enjoy doing whatever it is that you do?

Just wondering. 

Peace. 

 

     Peace be to you Dave, and I truly mean that, I'm obviously the only one on this message board with the possible exception of Lassen who seemingly has the slightest clue as to what is happening, I've tried to give everyone here the benefit of the doubt, but I think reality is setting in...that as long as the end result is to the group's liking, seemingly the vast majority of you would be more than willing to embrace tyranny.  I hope I'm wrong, but I'm starting to doubt that I am.  If that's true...that as long as it's successful, most of you would be perfectly fine with a coup d'état, it is nothing less than stomach turning.

Hey Bry have you considered letting someone in the administration know about your ongoing efforts here at viva? You could land a job. I bet they would consider you to be a courageous patriot...maybe heroic. 

 

     Greg, if you were ever able to get a clue, that would be reward enough for me.

> I'm obviously the only one

obviously 

> with the possible exception of

wait so U R not the only one?

> reality is setting in...

The jury is still out on this one

>  stomach turning

 Rolaids: This medication is used to treat symptoms caused by too much stomach acid such as heartburn, upset stomach, or indigestion.  Antacid that works by lowering the amount of acid in the stomach.

> I'm obviously the only one

obviously ----- seemingly 

> with the possible exception of

wait so U R not the only one?  Dave, that was an attempt to qualify a statement, correct me if I'm mistaken, other than Lassen are there any others?

> reality is setting in...

The jury is still out on this one  ----- I'm writing extemporaneously, the thought finally dawned on me that most of the people on this thread would have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with any nefarious mechanism necessary to unseat a duly elected president.  Anyone with a base level cognitive ability that has read this thread would agree.

>  stomach turning ----- it really is.

 Rolaids: This medication is used to treat symptoms caused by too much stomach acid such as heartburn, upset stomach, or indigestion.  Antacid that works by lowering the amount of acid in the stomach. ----- If they could only bottle intestinal fortitude.

Bryen you are never alone in the zone.

 

     Thanks Jaz, happy 420, namaste 

Bryen, between your extemporaneous musings, knowledge of nefarious mechanisms and base level cognitive skills, let me convey some impressions. The report seems to show “total exoneration,” except when it’s “total bullshit.”  Is it possible that Trump’s absolution by team Mueller didn’t come about because his intentions were innocent, but because his methods were incompetent or his edicts were brushed aside? Trump seems to keep getting saved from walking into oncoming traffic, only to complain that someone keeps yanking his collar. 

 

     Dave...respectfully, what you're failing to realize is the natural tendency for a guy to react like any human being might when he is falsely accused, and oh by the way, an absurdly transparent coup d'état via weaponizing the media and elements within the intelligence community.  When the truth comes out about the tyranny, not only will it make your head spin, but the feigned outrage regarding the president's reaction to the treason will seem ironic & inconsequential.

The deep state hypothesis mixed in with the irony of that old 'when the truth comes out' postulate.  

Fun stuff.  This zoner examination of the Russian scam has been a blast.  Enjoy the night.  

 

     Enjoy the evening Dave...by the way, I'm correct, so there's that.

We have a president who cannot be trusted on even the littlest things.

 

 

     The spying on the rival presidential campaign started in January 2016.

      

     https://youtu.be/q0ni8jHOfxg

 

   • What did president Obama know and when did he know it?

   • Where is he exactly, and does that country have an extradition treaty with the United States?

 ...while I hope good things for Ned, and all of you for that matter, some of you are truly the most classless, crass, obscene, grotesque, vile, in-the-gutter lowlifes I've ever had interaction with, as disgusting as it has been, I don't feel badly for myself, it is what it is, I feel sorry that you're going through life at such a low wavelength of consciousness as to be capable of typing the trash you've written, it's regrettable<<<<

What ever happened to unconditional love?

 

 

I'm curious...

What wavelength of consciousness does one need to attain in order to defend pedophile priests?

 

 

 

Bry are you kirley? Is that your clue?

Obama is chilling with his homies in Kenya, praying to Allah and watching videos of Boku Haram. Although we have extradition with Kenya, the government won’t fuck with Obama’s warlord protectors.

Obama is a lost cause. Have you thought about focusing some energy on the real criminal, Hillary?

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Is that a crime, Thod? 

 

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>>  Dave...respectfully, what you're failing to realize is the natural tendency for a guy to react like any human being might when he is falsely accused <<

 

You can't be serious. It's a natural reaction from someone with the mentality of a 12 year old. Or, someone who is afraid to be investigated. Or,  someone who is afraid to be investigated AND has a the mentality of a 12 year old (DING!).

>>> Is that a crime, Thod?

Nope, but whatever floats your boat...

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Pat Bagley from 4-19-19 in the Salt Lake Tribune.

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Let's compare.  Trump is a saint.

Obama
• ⁠Nothing

Hillary (Benghazi)
• ⁠4 years
• ⁠0 indictments

Hillary (Emails)
• ⁠2 years
• ⁠0 indictments

Trump (Mueller investigation alone)
• ⁠22 months
• ⁠Cost ~$25mil, but netted ~$48mil from unpaid taxes/fines/seized assets. ~100% ROI.
• ⁠34 Indictments (individuals)
• ⁠3 Indictments (companies)
• ⁠7 guilty pleas and counting
• ⁠1 conviction and counting

Some of the players:
• ⁠Indicted: Roger Stone
• ⁠Indicted: Paul Manafort
• ⁠Indicted: Rick Gates
• ⁠Indicted: George Papadopoulos
• ⁠Indicted: Michael Flynn
• ⁠Indicted: Michael Cohen
• ⁠Indicted: Richard Pinedo
• ⁠Indicted: Alex van der Zwaan
• ⁠Indicted: Konstantin Kilimnik
• ⁠Indicted: 12 Russian GRU officers
• ⁠Indicted: Yevgeny Prigozhin
• ⁠Indicted: Mikhail Burchik
• ⁠Indicted: Aleksandra Krylova
• ⁠Indicted: Anna Bogacheva
• ⁠Indicted: Sergey Polozov
• ⁠Indicted: Maria Bovda
• ⁠Indicted: Dzheykhun Aslanov
• ⁠Indicted: Vadim Podkopaev
• ⁠Indicted: Irina Kaverzina
• ⁠Indicted: Gleb Vasilchenko
• ⁠Indicted: Internet Research Agency
• ⁠Indicted: Concord Management
• ⁠Guilty Plea: Michael Flynn
• ⁠Guilty Plea: Michael Cohen
• ⁠Guilty Plea: George Papadopolous
• ⁠Guilty Plea: Richard Pinedo
• ⁠Guilty Plea: Alex van der Zwaan
• ⁠Guilty Plea: Rick Gates
• ⁠Guilty Plea: Paul Manafort (some charges)
• ⁠Found Guilty: Paul Manafort (some charges)

Some of the charges:
• ⁠Conspiracy against the USA (4 counts)
• ⁠Obstruction of justice (1 count)
• ⁠Obstruction of Proceeding (1 count)
• ⁠Conspiracy to obstruct justice (2 counts)
• ⁠Witness Tampering (1 count)
• ⁠Making false statements (10 counts)
• ⁠Failure to report foreign bank and financial accounts (7 counts)
• ⁠Conspiracy to defraud the United States (4 counts)
• ⁠Aggravated identity theft (28 counts)
• ⁠Identity fraud (1 count)
• ⁠Bank fraud (4 counts)
• ⁠Bank fraud conspiracy (10 counts)
• ⁠Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud (1 count)
• ⁠Conspiracy to launder money (2 counts)
• ⁠Filing a false amended return (1 count)
• ⁠Subscribing to false tax returns (5 counts)
• ⁠Assisting in preparation of false tax returns (5 counts)

 

This post aged well.

I miss 4winds.

I notice Bryen wasn't on the "best Garcia Band show" thread. Bummer. Was he arrested at the Jan 6th riot or is he still on tour ?

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I miss 4winds.<<<

Yes!

I notice Bryen wasn't on the "best Garcia Band show" thread. Bummer. Was he arrested at the Jan 6th riot or is he still on tour ?<<<

I'm not sure what happened to Bryen, but I suspect he's likely on the same trajectory; barring any major life-changing event that may have caused him to do some soul searching.

This thread was started a little less than a year before January 6th.   It's just mind blowing to see how the not-so-secret "decoder ring" of projection hits the nail on the head with MAGA.  Of course, Bryen was referring to the so-called "silent" coup in his OP ... which was repeated again and again, along with "duly elected" and "no collusion", for at least two solid years after the 2016 election.

Hahahaha By-Ron.......

He's  probably working for Trump by now....

Putin's actually pays his trolls, so more likely he took the paying gig 

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/infamous-russian-troll-farm-appears-t...

> Putin's actually pays his trolls

Was there ever any doubt that Tucker Carlson is on the Kremlin payroll?

Two points:

Mueller said his report "does not exonerate the president".

Why was said report so heavily redacted by Barr?

It's the textual equivalent of burying the bodies in the desert.

Putin's poodle ..... beyond pathetic. I am embarresed for Bryen, even if he is not