Well the dickhead just signed the bill today, but I heard the delay from the useless posturing will cost millions of people benefits for a week. Happy Holidays, eh? What a legacy.
That's a misunderstanding, Racket. There were two bills passed. Timing of their passage seems to combine them, but they are two different bills. And a lot of people are confused about that.
One was the COVID relief bill. The other was the bill that funds the government and all it's operations (including foreign aid) until next fall. At least that's how I understand it.
in 2007, Roberts wrote the majority opinion, siding with a principal who had suspended a student for displaying a banner that said “Bong Hits 4 Jesus.”
I'm glad we send support to other nations. I'm happy to chip in my $10.31. I wouldn't mind if they double it. People are so scared of big numbers. Doing math makes it emotionally sustainable.
Agreed RRG. But after donating paper products to a local homeless youth resource center last week, I was gonna go to Costco to get more and some canned goods for the food bank, but got told they'd rather have my $$$ at this point. Help on the way.
I heard today the lapse in benefits hits 12 million people and will mean no money this week but the bene's will be retroactive. Hope folks can get by. All because he signed at 7 PM Sunday and not by midnight Saturday. What a dick.
speaking of that, I have a friend who is an evangelical stoner that wanted to start a website called "Christ and Cannabis", but i think it was just one of those high ideas.
The House passed a second 3 trillion dollar relief package in May, and another 2.2 trillion dollar relief package in October. McConnell refused to bring either up for debate in the Senate. Pelosi cannot force McConnell to bring the legislation to the floor of the Senate.
What could have Pelosi done to get the Senate to vote on the two relief packages passed by the Democratic controlled house?
I dressed up as Moses for a Halloween party my freshman year in college. My staff was a 5' Graphics.
It was kind of a double-edged sword. It was a bitch to haul that thing around, but it kept getting packed. Seeing as how I ate a couple of 10-strips, pulling all those tubes became a physical and mental chore.
The House passed a second 3 trillion dollar relief package in May, and another 2.2 trillion dollar relief package in October. McConnell refused to bring either up for debate in the Senate. Pelosi cannot force McConnell to bring the legislation to the floor of the Senate.
What could have Pelosi done to get the Senate to vote on the two relief packages passed by the Democratic controlled house?
Same thing happened last year with the Pentagon budget, and I think the year before. The Reps keep giving them more than they want or need, and the Dems have to pass the budget to get anything else through.
Give ogkb a break. He got jumped out of the Nitrous Mafia for giving out free balloons and demanding management to provide healthcare and parental leave benefits.
I knew a guy who was involved in that particular organization, still trying to figure out how he stuffed his cargo shorts with $20,000 worth of $20 bills
What game am I playing, pyramid. I'm not a member of congress, nor do I work in government. I'm just some guy. But I understand that legislation needs to pass House and the Senate, and McConnell is the gatekeeper in the Senate.
What could have Pelosi done to force McConnell and the Senate to vote on the 3 trillion dollar relief bill and the 2.2 trillion dollar relief bill passed by the House?*
And how does M4A get a vote in the Senate?*
* legislation must pass both the House of Representatives and The Senate and approved by the President.
^see. surf is the perfect example of trumpism for the establishment.
trump bad, dem good enough. that's what is killing our country, and surf thinks he is doing good. really sad and shameful.
him and his likes brush off how we can't even have stimulus monthly, like every other rich ass nation, b/c he's been so conditioned to believe rugged capitalism for the peasants is acceptable. incredible stuff.
lumber, i get it.
you don't think fighting for what the majority of people want is worth anything.
you go along w/ what the corporations tell you is good enough, under the guise of pragmatism, incrementalism and whatever other nonsense you justify it by.
the corproate media has fully latched onto your brain, and won't let go.
But I as stated before, you wear your ignorance like a point of pride..
>you don't think fighting for what the majority of people want is worth anything.
you go along w/ what the corporations tell you is good enough, under the guise of pragmatism, incrementalism and whatever other nonsense you justify it<
Sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Tell me how to get these things get through the Senate.
>>>>>him and his likes brush off how we can't even have stimulus monthly, like every other rich ass nation, b/c he's been so conditioned to believe rugged capitalism for the peasants is acceptable. incredible stuff.
How did I brush it off? Of course we should have monthly payments.
Hopefully the dems win the senate so all of these stout Democrats can see their party is just as evil as the other side and they will have no one left blame but themselves.
For eight years you stood there and disregarded war crimes committed by our government with Obama at the helm.
You also sat there and watched as Obama laid down the groundwork for trade legislation which made modern day slave labor more efficient in outside countries for American capitalists and communists.
You sat by and watched as the federal government rounded up immigrants and put them in cages .
You sat by and said nothing for eight years because it was "your guy", but now you're all some sort of activists.
^I stated it before, if Obama were a Republican, Democrats would have called him O'bomb-a
Timpane, there is also the matter of the filibuster. Unless the filibuster is eliminated, 60 votes are needed bring a bill up for a vote in the Senate. This forces a certain level of compromise.
lumber your response to ignoring the demand for representing the people, finally, is telling and you have always shown your card to be what i stated above -- your incrementalism has doesnt shit for anybody, and things are only worse.
your argument is outdated and simply stated, just wrong.
demand the vote for m4a. let's see who can stand up there and tell us why we can't have the bare minimum, during a pandemic.
have you seen? the evil socialist is actually trying to stand up to mcconnell -- something your establishment refuses to do -- ever.
Lumber, it's ok man. The first step is admitting you have a problem. In this case it seems to be denial and that's fine. Just come to grips and stop making petty excuses. After that we can all move on together or at least try.
This is a better thread to continue the never ending argument than the zonie thread. Watching Alan desperately trying to gain attention is just pretty sad.
Btw, I don't really no who you're talking to BK and no one asked you who you voted for.
Did you vote for Hilary and Jill Stein at the same time? How did you go about th at? Kinda funny how you tried to give pyramid shit for writing in Bernie but you voted for stein. Hypocritical like always, BK.
Lumber, it may be hard to see the countless excuses you have made up and down to is thread for democrats but I suggest starting at your first post and then scrolling down and just write out all of them for yourself. Cheers.
Lol, crazy that you believe your own trash. I don't even have to call you on that. There are like four thousand threads with evidence that I'm not going to go through. You're the number one bullshit artist in the zone, Bk. Congrats. Keep trying to sound good in front of your peers, big guy.
>I suggest starting at your first post and then scrolling down and just write out all of them for yourself. Cheers.<
So you are as ignorant as Pyramid is regarding how our government functions.
Timpane, maybe you can tell me how Pelosi could have gotten McConnell to allow the Senate vote on the 3 trillion dollar or the 2.2 trillion dollar relief packages?
Lol, I'm pretty sure that you can go through each and every one of those posts and not find me ragging on anyone for their choice of vote. I did make my case as to why I didn't back Bernie. In your mind, that was me putting someone down. Ironically, you're the hypocrite when it comes to that. For all the shit you gave, and still give, your vote went to Biden.
^ Same old drawn out trash that you bring to the zone every thread.
Anyways, lumber pelosi and Biden wanted the 600$ package. They don't want anything good to happen under Trump. They're fine with letting this shit play out until Biden can look like some kind of a hero. It's the same thing she could have done at any point in her political career, which is to take an opposition to the corruption in the senate and congress but instead she is just another part of it. Just as before she stalled on the stimulus package before the election puting politics ahead of people who may have truly needed it at that moment. Would it have passed through the Senate? Maybe not but we won't know now because the house never put together a bill to vote on until after the election.
Hell; trump did more than pelosi did to get federal funds to people during the pandemic by releasing FEMA money for a month lol. Give me a break.
Like Trump, like Biden, like Obama, like Bush, like McConnel, pelosi is also trash.
If there are 4,000 threads with me putting down ogkb for voting Bernie, and everyone sees them all the time, how exactly would it make me look good to deny it?
Same old trash, huh? Kid, you are weak minded, lazy, and literally all you bring is negativity.
> Just as before she stalled on the stimulus package before the election puting politics ahead of people who may have truly needed it at that moment. Would it have passed through the Senate? Maybe not but we won't know now because the house never put together a bill to vote on until after the election. <
The House passed a 3 trillion dollar relief package in May and a 2.2 trillion dollar relief package in October. Neither was voted on in the Senate.
The proposal at the end of Oct included a one time payment, but no extension of unemployment benefits and it exempted companies from COVID-19 related liability until 2024.
> trump did more than pelosi did to get federal funds to people during the pandemic by releasing FEMA money for a month lol. Give me a break<
Yes, because this is within Trump's authority.
Pelosi has no such power.
As I stated, you are as ignorant as Pyramid when it comes to understanding how our government functions.
The second bill was trash. It was not at all designed to help American people but just more help to aid the corporations.
She stalled to help Biden win the presidency. You are just too brainwashed to see that reality and also you are trying to equate that second bill with the first stimulus which is just idiotic.
Pelosi had the power to push payments and more additional relief for unemployed workers and she didn't. Instead her and the rest of our corrupt government pushed through a second "relief" package that did t help anyone at all. We know this because the amount of unemployed Americans went up. Hard to admit when you're wrong but keep going I want to see what else you think you know about the government.
As of right now you have proven you know nothing about the power pelosi has as speaker of the house, btw.
You have no idea what Pelosi did or didn't push for. Typically, the Bill that gets sent from the House to the Senate is one that has been through committee, has been debated in back rooms, and has a good chance of being passed by the Senate.
I'm not going to make suppositions about what Pelosi wanted or not, because I have no idea. What I do know is that it took 8 fucking months for the House to send up a bill that Mitch would vote on. Got that? Eight months of political wrangling for a measly $600.
What we do know is that there's bipartisan support for a much bigger package, all the way up to the White House, and McConnell won't consider it.
>Pelosi had the power to push payments and more additional relief for unemployed workers and she didn't<
How? What grants here such authority?
The second bill was the 3 trillion passed in May.
the third bill was 2.2 trillion, passed in October.
The bill you wanted her to pass was the Trump's proposal which had a one time payment, did not extend unemployment benefits, and shielded corporations from covid related liability until 2024.
She is also a member of Congress and can introduce legislation aside from lobby for it. She didn't. She could have and she didn't. She literally decides what gets put on the floor for a vote.
That's not the bill I wanted to pass and it would be on top of the 600$ payments with extended unemployment benefits as both would have been signed but I would have thought you'd have known that since you know so much about the government. With almost 8 million unemployed Americans none of these bills were even close to sufficient.
lumber thinks it's never the right time i do the right thing.
the lumbers, like pelosi and schumer, hold us back -- thing is, pelosi and schumer do it b/c they have masters -- lumber does it b/c he a dumb ass neoliberal fuck.
Lumber you are sitting around calling me ignorant to how our Congress works but it seems you are actually the one who is ignorant. Read up on how it works, please.
Lumber is saying I am ignorant and that Pelosi couldn't have done anything more but he is wrong. She could have absolutely done more. And no, no one did anything else because Congress is a corrupt trash hole where every one wants too look good.
But I disagree that it wouldn't have had a chance of passing. It would have passed in the house and actually might have had a chance in the senate seeing that at the time of the election the republicans were trying to gain support.
So, yes there was more she could have done and as the speaker of the house if she had sponsored a bill that included stimulus payments in October it most likely would have gotten support.
And you all know that Murderers, Rapist and Pedophiles in Prison are ALL receiving these checks , Even if they have been locked up for 25 years and more and not worked... WTF!!!
It could only have a chance of passing through Senate if Mitch the Bitch allowed it to come up for a vote. He wouldn't have. I think that's pretty clear cut.
Pelosi has to go. God knows why the citizens of SF keep electing her. To her credit, though, she was the only person that Trump seemed to have a semblance of fear in.
I'll say again what I've said before: Congress as a whole gets horrible approval ratings. At the same time, people give their elected officials high ratings. It's like they don't draw the simple conclusion that their people also suck and are part of the reason Congress as a whole does.. They keep re-electing all these shmucks, and here we are.
Cryotte sighting!! Lol. Well I guess this thread was worth it after all.
Mitch was up for re election in what looked to be a tight race at the time so I think there was more of a chance than looked like on the surface. Pelosi could have at least tried to fight for stimulus payments and drawn up a bill but she passed. It could definitively helped trumps re election bid so I think that played into her and all the other Democrats decision not to push for it.
And yes it's disgraceful and Bernie and the others know what they did. They aren't Saints or anything like that and played politics.
Until Citizen's United gets overturned and sweeping campaign finance reform is passed, this is what we have to live with. We're all fucked as a result.
>Pelosi could have at least tried to fight for stimulus payments and drawn up a bill but she passed.
how many times do you need to be told that she did - the bill known as the Heroes Act HR 6800. A 3 trillion dollar stimulus package passed by the House on May 12, 2020. Not her fault Mitch tabled it.
and more recently (yesterday), the House, under Nancy's leadership and direction, passed a bill for $2000 stimulus checks. Again, Mitch and the GOP majority in the Senate shot it down.
>She is also a member of Congress and can introduce legislation aside from lobby for it. She didn't. She could have and she didn't. She literally decides what gets put on the floor for a vote.<
She did. 4 bills, 2 passed the Senate.
McConnell refused to consider the other two bills the House passed, 3 trillion and 2.2 trillion.
>before the election puting politics ahead of people who may have truly needed it at that moment. Would it have passed through the Senate? Maybe not<
I disagree that it wouldn't have had a chance of passing. It would have passed in the house and actually might have had a chance in the senate seeing that at the time of the election the republicans were trying to gain <
McConnell stated publicly that the Senate would not consider the legislation. The Senate was on a tight schedule to get Barrett confirmed before the election.
The legislation was higher than they wanted and she didn't want to look like she was negotiable with republicans. Again, we live in a failed state. They could have made an arrangement but the dems didn't want to budge either. So stop making excuses for them. They are part of it as well. The 2000$ payment stimulus was just a play that they knew wouldn't pass after the 600$ one did. Sad to see the dems try to deflect that one away from themselves when pelosi got on her stage and talked about how "significant" it was.
the GOP, Mitch and Trump really didn't want any stimulus checks and finally agreed to $600. It was the only way any Bill would pass in the GOP controlled Senate. Of course Trump was bluffing but Nancy was ready to respond and did. Again Mitch blocked it. Fact. Your fantasy is stale
Completely disagree and I believe your wrong, Nanc. They could have passed this sized bill earlier but then they chose not to continue negotiations because a second stimulus would have proved well for Trump in his campaign so the dems kept high balling knowing to republicans would turn it down. Pelosi knew the score would be around this number since their first negotiations. The republicans were going to get their way, yes but if they had passed this same bill earlier then we would be in a different round of negotiations instead of passing a bill that could have been a while ago.
it works both ways Nancy. Republicans are bad yes, and dems are also bad. And now this bill is a joke.
The 2000$/payments were Trumps idea and pelosi wrote it up lol. She knew it wouldn't get passed. She just had to do it because otherwise Trump would look better than her.
Out political leaders are only in this for saving face. Please see it for what it is.
funny to watch the neoliberals defend and justify pelosi.
she rubber stamped trumps agenda. fact.
your fantasy is stale. there is no defending or justifying that.
pelosi is a progressive agenda killer. pro at it.
she endorses people that voted against stimulus....dems lol. more facts. as well as pro life candidates. more facts.
i can go on and on. but it doesn't matter, corporate apologists think she's some tough woman fighting for the working class. it couldn't be further from the truth, but here we are. she's female mitch. shut the fuck up.
Sanders has already delayed the veto override but all he can do is delay until New Year's Day. Then they can vote to veto but it's pretty rare than a presidents veto gets overridden. The defense bill is another garbage peice of legislation lol. Country has gone straight to hell
>and to think people couldn't find it in them to vote for him>
A majority of people in this country are afraid of socialism. Sure, they support many socialistish programs, but the word inspires fear and anger, especially when a person freely describes themselves as one.
The hope lies in the younger folks, younger than you, even.
You know, Pyramid, I have outrage overload, it happened a long time ago. I've given up hoping that things will change for the better on the federal level, so I don't expect much... I'm seldom surprised.
Harris lol. She got the best paying job with the least amount of work now. She ain't gotta do shit son. Fucking Democrat faithful got played the fuck out once again.
Timpy voted for Biden/Harris, even though he's in a state in which he could have safely voted his conscience. That makes him worse than the neoliberals.
Let's just hope and pray that Trump was some sort of political anomaly that is rare and only comes around once in a lifetime. For whatever reasons, tens of millions saw him as a cult-like leader. He became president because he was some enigmatic personality, who came around at the right time. I don't think that there's another quite like him out there, someone who can move people like he did.
Don't bring your wife into this. Your rules. It was your vote and you cast it for Biden/Harris. Now you're acting all holier than thou. What a joke. Take a lap.
Hard to tell your posts are coming from a grown adult, Bk. You're still mad that your new tattoo is fucking terrible and it's on your leg for the rest of your sad days. You better go stock up on some pants, jerk off.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead Racketinmyhead
on Sunday, December 27, 2020 – 11:55 pm
Why are funds for a covid
Why are some funds from a US covid relief bill going to foreign countries?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: a lullaby the breezes whisper T.O.D.
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 12:01 am
here's lookin at you kid
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha Slickrock
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 12:04 am
There were two bills passed.
That's a misunderstanding, Racket. There were two bills passed. Timing of their passage seems to combine them, but they are two different bills. And a lot of people are confused about that.
One was the COVID relief bill. The other was the bill that funds the government and all it's operations (including foreign aid) until next fall. At least that's how I understand it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 08:28 am
You are correct, sir.
You are correct, sir.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 09:07 am
how come the covid relief
how come the covid relief bill is bailing out defense contractors?
why did biden and pelosi negotiate for less money?
how come the richest country in the history of the world can't provide survival checks monthly?
why is this even a fight?
we live in a failed state.
only neoliberal fucks think this is a win.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: joy blackrock
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 09:09 am
in 2007, Roberts wrote the
in 2007, Roberts wrote the majority opinion, siding with a principal who had suspended a student for displaying a banner that said “Bong Hits 4 Jesus.”
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 09:17 am
john roberts is horrible.
john roberts is horrible.
neolibs like him and W now, b/c, trump.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sun so hot, clouds so low Trailhead
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 09:18 am
I glad we send support to
I'm glad we send support to other nations. I'm happy to chip in my $10.31. I wouldn't mind if they double it. People are so scared of big numbers. Doing math makes it emotionally sustainable.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 09:33 am
Donate to Your local food
Donate to Your local food banks if You can.
While everyone is bickering over $$
People are still waiting on long long lines for a box of food, just to survive.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic (Bluestnote)
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 09:39 am
I heard Trump pardoned 2020.
I heard Trump pardoned 2020.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 09:50 am
>why did biden and pelosi negotiate for less money?
how come the richest country in the history of the world can't provide survival checks monthly?
why is this even a fight? <
Because legislation needs to pass in the Republican controlled Senate as well as the House.
The leader of the Senate is Mitch McConnell, he controls which legislation is brought to the floor of the Senate for debate.
You still don't understand how our government works.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha Slickrock
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 09:53 am
Ignoring the stupidity that
Ignoring the stupidity that has arrived.
Agreed RRG. But after donating paper products to a local homeless youth resource center last week, I was gonna go to Costco to get more and some canned goods for the food bank, but got told they'd rather have my $$$ at this point. Help on the way.
I heard today the lapse in benefits hits 12 million people and will mean no money this week but the bene's will be retroactive. Hope folks can get by. All because he signed at 7 PM Sunday and not by midnight Saturday. What a dick.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 10:40 am
lumber give it a break man --
lumber give it a break man -- we know you think this all mcconnell's fault.
he's certainly part of it, and so is pelosi and the dem machine. you don't understand that?
strange.
you corporate apologists are insufferable.
slick should be happy, he's a good republican.
<<<>>>> People are still waiting on long long lines for a box of food, just to survive.
exactly -- and this could have been avoided. pelosi and mcconnell said NO.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ismelltoadsmoke joe
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 10:46 am
>>> “Bong Hits 4 Jesus"
>>> “Bong Hits 4 Jesus"
speaking of that, I have a friend who is an evangelical stoner that wanted to start a website called "Christ and Cannabis", but i think it was just one of those high ideas.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: joy blackrock
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 11:01 am
in the lot sometime in the 90
in the lot sometime in the 90's a guy would dress up like Jesus and walk around with a 2 foot Graphics repeating:
"Bong loads for Jesus" hoping someone would pack his bong for him
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 11:46 am
>we know you think this all mcconnell's fault<
The House passed a second 3 trillion dollar relief package in May, and another 2.2 trillion dollar relief package in October. McConnell refused to bring either up for debate in the Senate. Pelosi cannot force McConnell to bring the legislation to the floor of the Senate.
What could have Pelosi done to get the Senate to vote on the two relief packages passed by the Democratic controlled house?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 11:49 am
> why did biden and pelosi
> why did biden and pelosi negotiate for less money?
Biden? You do know he's not been sworn in yet, right?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 11:52 am
I dressed up as Moses for a
I dressed up as Moses for a Halloween party my freshman year in college. My staff was a 5' Graphics.
It was kind of a double-edged sword. It was a bitch to haul that thing around, but it kept getting packed. Seeing as how I ate a couple of 10-strips, pulling all those tubes became a physical and mental chore.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane fishcane
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 12:07 pm
I had a purple 5' grafix. Had
I had a purple 5' grafix. Had to use the long stove lighters to go solo. Best bong for snow bongs.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha Slickrock
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 12:54 pm
Are you guys REALLY trying to
Are you guys REALLY trying to reason with heat? Save your breath.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: pancake Turtle
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 01:03 pm
the pentagon didn't even want
the pentagon didn't even want or request this as i understand?
all the puppet masters called in their boys.
trillions? of tax dollars just fucking up in smoke.
here's $600.
deplorable.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 01:10 pm
>the pentagon didn't even want or request this as i understand?<
The Pentagon didn't want funding this year?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 01:19 pm
look at the neolibs lap it up
look at the neolibs lap it up.
excellent.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 01:23 pm
You really like labels, don't
You really like labels, don't you, ogkb? Well, here's one for you: neo-douche.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: pancake Turtle
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 01:37 pm
they said they didn't need
they said they didn't need the EXTRA zillions. they already get the normal amount of zillions.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 01:42 pm
^Got it, Turtle, thanks for the clarification.
Pyramid...
The House passed a second 3 trillion dollar relief package in May, and another 2.2 trillion dollar relief package in October. McConnell refused to bring either up for debate in the Senate. Pelosi cannot force McConnell to bring the legislation to the floor of the Senate.
What could have Pelosi done to get the Senate to vote on the two relief packages passed by the Democratic controlled house?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 02:04 pm
Same thing happened last year
Same thing happened last year with the Pentagon budget, and I think the year before. The Reps keep giving them more than they want or need, and the Dems have to pass the budget to get anything else through.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane fishcane
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 02:21 pm
He's a bush lovin neolabeler
He's a bush lovin neolabeler
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 02:52 pm
Neoliberalfucks for Jesus
Neoliberalfucks for Jesus
tenacious Zoner of the year award
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:08 pm
mike edwards, does the
mike edwards, does the neoliberal description fit you? do you find yourself continually voting for the "lesser" corporate politician?
do you find yourself justifying such votes?
yeah, thought so.
let me guess :: y'all don't support a m4a vote either, correct?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:10 pm
Pyramid...
What could have Pelosi done to get the Senate to vote on the two relief packages passed by the Democratic controlled house?
> y'all don't support a m4a vote either, correct<
The house could pass it tomorrow and McConnell would not bring to the senate floor for debate, just like the 2 relief packages.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:17 pm
> yeah, thought so.
> yeah, thought so.
How do you think you know what you think you know?
Honestly, ogkb, I don't think you could make friends on Dead lot if you were handing out free slices of pizza.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:32 pm
Give ogkb a break. He got
Give ogkb a break. He got jumped out of the Nitrous Mafia for giving out free balloons and demanding management to provide healthcare and parental leave benefits.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha Slickrock
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:36 pm
^ That's funny, Mike.
^ That's funny, Mike.
>>>slick should be happy, he's a good republican.
Hey heat, check out my pins!
You should try to do something about this stuff you complain about, but I guess you'd be ineffective at that also. Mr. Heat, party of one.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:37 pm
> He got jumped out of the Nitrous Mafia<
I knew a guy who was involved in that particular organization, still trying to figure out how he stuffed his cargo shorts with $20,000 worth of $20 bills
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:43 pm
^too good man.
^too good man.
funny, you have all the answers, except when you're looking at what the left wants to support humans.
you're a joke.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:44 pm
mike edwards -- mayor pete
mike edwards -- mayor pete doesn't have friends either.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:44 pm
Sez who?
Sez who?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:46 pm
he did. now go google it.
he did.
now go google it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: pancake Turtle
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:47 pm
here's an interesting piece
here's an interesting piece on labeling...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUR1u8uCrmE
"an annoying centrist fetish, frankly the way a lot of rich people do"...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:49 pm
jr always like "the left and
jr always like "the left and far right are more alike then dems and gop".
right, jr?
that's what we're dealing w/. how fucking stupid is that?
corproate media is evil.
the left wants to help humans.
the dems and gop want to increase the wealth gap and let americans struggle.
wake up mother fuckers.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:53 pm
ogkb, apparently you haven't
ogkb, apparently you haven't gotten to the stage of enlightenment where you realize that not everybody gets it all at once.
And I seriously doubt your claim that Mayor Pete has no friends. He seems like such a nice young man.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:54 pm
^haha. just google it man.
^haha. just google it man.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:57 pm
He has at least 70 friends.
He has at least 70 friends. Billionaires are people too.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 04:58 pm
>, you have all the answers, except when you're looking at what the left wants to support <
I don't have all the answers, but I know how our government functions, it's a shame you don't.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 05:00 pm
^not only that, you know that
^not only that, you know that you playing the game hurts everyday americans, yet do it anyway, all while pretending you're doing good.
your corporate leaders have the same masters, same goals.
strange.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 05:01 pm
I googled it.
I googled it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 05:06 pm
What game am I playing, pyramid. I'm not a member of congress, nor do I work in government. I'm just some guy. But I understand that legislation needs to pass House and the Senate, and McConnell is the gatekeeper in the Senate.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 05:19 pm
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 05:19 pm
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Monday, December 28, 2020 – 05:29 pm
hahahaha yes !!!
hahahaha yes !!!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 08:05 am
<<<>>>>Biden? You do know he
<<<>>>>Biden? You do know he's not been sworn in yet, right?
mayor pete -- for being so well educated, you're kinda stupid.
i know you're playing tho -- silly guy, the mayor is.
you and pelosi above are very similar.
https://www.dailyposter.com/p/bidens-austerity-zealotry-cut-the
after two and four years of bidens neoliberal rule, he'll hand us a smarter more dangerous trump.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 08:35 am
So pyramid, show me how much you know....
What could have Pelosi done to force McConnell and the Senate to vote on the 3 trillion dollar relief bill and the 2.2 trillion dollar relief bill passed by the House?*
And how does M4A get a vote in the Senate?*
* legislation must pass both the House of Representatives and The Senate and approved by the President.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 08:40 am
Dictators and kings rule;
Dictators and kings rule; presidents, other than Trump, administrate.
>>>>>he'll hand us a smarter more dangerous trump.
Only if you fail to vote for their opponent.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 08:42 am
lumber, i get it.
^see. surf is the perfect example of trumpism for the establishment.
trump bad, dem good enough. that's what is killing our country, and surf thinks he is doing good. really sad and shameful.
him and his likes brush off how we can't even have stimulus monthly, like every other rich ass nation, b/c he's been so conditioned to believe rugged capitalism for the peasants is acceptable. incredible stuff.
lumber, i get it.
you don't think fighting for what the majority of people want is worth anything.
you go along w/ what the corporations tell you is good enough, under the guise of pragmatism, incrementalism and whatever other nonsense you justify it by.
the corproate media has fully latched onto your brain, and won't let go.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:03 am
would be great to see the
would be great to see the dems win the senate.
i really hope they do.
lumber and co won't have anything to say then.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:07 am
>lumber, i get it. <
No, you don't.
But I as stated before, you wear your ignorance like a point of pride..
>you don't think fighting for what the majority of people want is worth anything.
you go along w/ what the corporations tell you is good enough, under the guise of pragmatism, incrementalism and whatever other nonsense you justify it<
Sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Tell me how to get these things get through the Senate.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:09 am
>>>>>him and his likes brush
>>>>>him and his likes brush off how we can't even have stimulus monthly, like every other rich ass nation, b/c he's been so conditioned to believe rugged capitalism for the peasants is acceptable. incredible stuff.
How did I brush it off? Of course we should have monthly payments.
Your guy Trump only wants a one-time payment.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:24 am
Hopefully the dems win the
Hopefully the dems win the senate so all of these stout Democrats can see their party is just as evil as the other side and they will have no one left blame but themselves.
For eight years you stood there and disregarded war crimes committed by our government with Obama at the helm.
You also sat there and watched as Obama laid down the groundwork for trade legislation which made modern day slave labor more efficient in outside countries for American capitalists and communists.
You sat by and watched as the federal government rounded up immigrants and put them in cages .
You sat by and said nothing for eight years because it was "your guy", but now you're all some sort of activists.
Look in the mirror, guys.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:35 am
^I stated it before, if Obama were a Republican, Democrats would have called him O'bomb-a
Timpane, there is also the matter of the filibuster. Unless the filibuster is eliminated, 60 votes are needed bring a bill up for a vote in the Senate. This forces a certain level of compromise.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:40 am
Sweet rant, Timpy.
Sweet rant, Timpy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:44 am
surf -- ive never supported
surf -- ive never supported trump or any gop politician.
you are a corporate apologist that supports establishment politicians who rubber stamped every single one of trumps evil budgets.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:47 am
lumber your response to
lumber your response to ignoring the demand for representing the people, finally, is telling and you have always shown your card to be what i stated above -- your incrementalism has doesnt shit for anybody, and things are only worse.
your argument is outdated and simply stated, just wrong.
demand the vote for m4a. let's see who can stand up there and tell us why we can't have the bare minimum, during a pandemic.
have you seen? the evil socialist is actually trying to stand up to mcconnell -- something your establishment refuses to do -- ever.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:48 am
Lumber, it's ok man. The
Lumber, it's ok man. The first step is admitting you have a problem. In this case it seems to be denial and that's fine. Just come to grips and stop making petty excuses. After that we can all move on together or at least try.
Sweet lurking, Bk
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:48 am
Who did you vote for in Nov.?
Pheat, who did you vote for in Nov.?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:52 am
^hahahahaha
^hahahahaha
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:53 am
By definition, if I posted I
By definition, if I posted I wasn't lurking.
I didn't vote for Obama. I voted for Hillary and Biden for the same reasons that you did.
How thin is the air up there on your high horse?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:57 am
This is a better thread to
This is a better thread to continue the never ending argument than the zonie thread. Watching Alan desperately trying to gain attention is just pretty sad.
Btw, I don't really no who you're talking to BK and no one asked you who you voted for.
I didn't vote for Obama>>>
So you voted for McCain? Romney?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 10:06 am
Nobody asked for your input,
Nobody asked for your input, either. This is a message board. People post shit.
You are one ornery motherfucker, huh?
And seeing as how you asked, I voted for Stein. I look forward to again feeling like I can vote my conscience, rather than just voting against Trump.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 11:06 am
I'm looking forward, not with
I'm looking forward, not with any pleasure, to voting against Trump once again in the next election.
Hopefully it will be a vote for Harris.
Or someone better.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 11:58 am
>demand the vote for m4a. let's see who can stand up there and tell us why we can't have the bare minimum, during a pandemic. <
This is a valid criticism.* There are at least three possible reasons Pelosi doesn't bring this up in the House...
1. She doesn't support it. ( I believe this is likely)
2. There aren't the votes to pass it.
3. It will pass in the House, but die without a vote in the Senate. And she believes this hurts Democrats politically.
Just so you know, I've been in favor of replacing Pelosi as leader since round about 2010.
>the evil socialist is actually trying to stand up to mcconnell<
There you go misrepresenting my position...again.
Show me where I called Sanders, or Socialism, evil.
I have no problem, Timpane.
Petty excuses?
What are my excuses?
*your criticism is valid because Pelosi controls what bills are brought to the floor in the House.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 03:07 pm
Did you vote for Hilary and
Did you vote for Hilary and Jill Stein at the same time? How did you go about th at? Kinda funny how you tried to give pyramid shit for writing in Bernie but you voted for stein. Hypocritical like always, BK.
Lumber, it may be hard to see the countless excuses you have made up and down to is thread for democrats but I suggest starting at your first post and then scrolling down and just write out all of them for yourself. Cheers.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 03:07 pm
Did you vote for Hilary and
Dub for BK the dub voter
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 03:18 pm
Actually, Timpy, I never gave
Actually, Timpy, I never gave ogkb shit for his support of Bernie. Not once. He gave me plenty of shit for not supporting Bernie.
Typical Timpy, making shit up. You are so angry.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 03:27 pm
Lol, crazy that you believe
Lol, crazy that you believe your own trash. I don't even have to call you on that. There are like four thousand threads with evidence that I'm not going to go through. You're the number one bullshit artist in the zone, Bk. Congrats. Keep trying to sound good in front of your peers, big guy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 03:42 pm
>I suggest starting at your first post and then scrolling down and just write out all of them for yourself. Cheers.<
So you are as ignorant as Pyramid is regarding how our government functions.
Timpane, maybe you can tell me how Pelosi could have gotten McConnell to allow the Senate vote on the 3 trillion dollar or the 2.2 trillion dollar relief packages?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 03:54 pm
Angry r u the toy Franchise
Angry r u the toy Franchise is selling an upside down pyramid (but it is not very stable)
mind boggling
the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dyke?
what the hell have you contributed. Other than self release of Unknown anger and frustration
Insults R us. I'm right and you are wrong isms champ
get a job son
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 04:10 pm
Lol, I'm pretty sure that you
Lol, I'm pretty sure that you can go through each and every one of those posts and not find me ragging on anyone for their choice of vote. I did make my case as to why I didn't back Bernie. In your mind, that was me putting someone down. Ironically, you're the hypocrite when it comes to that. For all the shit you gave, and still give, your vote went to Biden.
Seriously, you need some anger management.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 04:38 pm
^ Same old drawn out trash
^ Same old drawn out trash that you bring to the zone every thread.
Anyways, lumber pelosi and Biden wanted the 600$ package. They don't want anything good to happen under Trump. They're fine with letting this shit play out until Biden can look like some kind of a hero. It's the same thing she could have done at any point in her political career, which is to take an opposition to the corruption in the senate and congress but instead she is just another part of it. Just as before she stalled on the stimulus package before the election puting politics ahead of people who may have truly needed it at that moment. Would it have passed through the Senate? Maybe not but we won't know now because the house never put together a bill to vote on until after the election.
Hell; trump did more than pelosi did to get federal funds to people during the pandemic by releasing FEMA money for a month lol. Give me a break.
Like Trump, like Biden, like Obama, like Bush, like McConnel, pelosi is also trash.
They are all trash. 100%
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 04:46 pm
If there are 4,000 threads
If there are 4,000 threads with me putting down ogkb for voting Bernie, and everyone sees them all the time, how exactly would it make me look good to deny it?
Same old trash, huh? Kid, you are weak minded, lazy, and literally all you bring is negativity.
Ride your 4.8 on that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 04:53 pm
> Just as before she stalled
> Just as before she stalled on the stimulus package before the election puting politics ahead of people who may have truly needed it at that moment. Would it have passed through the Senate? Maybe not but we won't know now because the house never put together a bill to vote on until after the election. <
The House passed a 3 trillion dollar relief package in May and a 2.2 trillion dollar relief package in October. Neither was voted on in the Senate.
The proposal at the end of Oct included a one time payment, but no extension of unemployment benefits and it exempted companies from COVID-19 related liability until 2024.
> trump did more than pelosi did to get federal funds to people during the pandemic by releasing FEMA money for a month lol. Give me a break<
Yes, because this is within Trump's authority.
Pelosi has no such power.
As I stated, you are as ignorant as Pyramid when it comes to understanding how our government functions.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 05:12 pm
The second bill was trash. It
The second bill was trash. It was not at all designed to help American people but just more help to aid the corporations.
She stalled to help Biden win the presidency. You are just too brainwashed to see that reality and also you are trying to equate that second bill with the first stimulus which is just idiotic.
Pelosi had the power to push payments and more additional relief for unemployed workers and she didn't. Instead her and the rest of our corrupt government pushed through a second "relief" package that did t help anyone at all. We know this because the amount of unemployed Americans went up. Hard to admit when you're wrong but keep going I want to see what else you think you know about the government.
As of right now you have proven you know nothing about the power pelosi has as speaker of the house, btw.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 05:26 pm
You have no idea what Pelosi
You have no idea what Pelosi did or didn't push for. Typically, the Bill that gets sent from the House to the Senate is one that has been through committee, has been debated in back rooms, and has a good chance of being passed by the Senate.
I'm not going to make suppositions about what Pelosi wanted or not, because I have no idea. What I do know is that it took 8 fucking months for the House to send up a bill that Mitch would vote on. Got that? Eight months of political wrangling for a measly $600.
What we do know is that there's bipartisan support for a much bigger package, all the way up to the White House, and McConnell won't consider it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 05:29 pm
>Pelosi had the power to push payments and more additional relief for unemployed workers and she didn't<
How? What grants here such authority?
The second bill was the 3 trillion passed in May.
the third bill was 2.2 trillion, passed in October.
The bill you wanted her to pass was the Trump's proposal which had a one time payment, did not extend unemployment benefits, and shielded corporations from covid related liability until 2024.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 05:55 pm
She is also a member of
She is also a member of Congress and can introduce legislation aside from lobby for it. She didn't. She could have and she didn't. She literally decides what gets put on the floor for a vote.
That's not the bill I wanted to pass and it would be on top of the 600$ payments with extended unemployment benefits as both would have been signed but I would have thought you'd have known that since you know so much about the government. With almost 8 million unemployed Americans none of these bills were even close to sufficient.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 06:03 pm
lumber thinks it's never the
lumber thinks it's never the right time i do the right thing.
the lumbers, like pelosi and schumer, hold us back -- thing is, pelosi and schumer do it b/c they have masters -- lumber does it b/c he a dumb ass neoliberal fuck.
pretty sad.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 06:03 pm
https://www.genome.gov/about
https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/policy-issues/How-Bill-Becomes-Law
Some information for lumber here on how a bill gets put into law since he doesn't know.
Just read Step 1:
Any member of congress....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 06:05 pm
Lumber you are sitting around
Lumber you are sitting around calling me ignorant to how our Congress works but it seems you are actually the one who is ignorant. Read up on how it works, please.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 06:18 pm
You're equating introducing a
You're equating introducing a bill with introducing a bill that has a chance in hell of passing?
Did The Squad, or any member thereof, introduce a great bill and then lobby for it?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 06:26 pm
Lumber is saying I am
Lumber is saying I am ignorant and that Pelosi couldn't have done anything more but he is wrong. She could have absolutely done more. And no, no one did anything else because Congress is a corrupt trash hole where every one wants too look good.
But I disagree that it wouldn't have had a chance of passing. It would have passed in the house and actually might have had a chance in the senate seeing that at the time of the election the republicans were trying to gain support.
So, yes there was more she could have done and as the speaker of the house if she had sponsored a bill that included stimulus payments in October it most likely would have gotten support.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: The Mayor Coyotte
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 06:31 pm
And you all know that
And you all know that Murderers, Rapist and Pedophiles in Prison are ALL receiving these checks , Even if they have been locked up for 25 years and more and not worked... WTF!!!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 06:34 pm
It could only have a chance
It could only have a chance of passing through Senate if Mitch the Bitch allowed it to come up for a vote. He wouldn't have. I think that's pretty clear cut.
Pelosi has to go. God knows why the citizens of SF keep electing her. To her credit, though, she was the only person that Trump seemed to have a semblance of fear in.
I'll say again what I've said before: Congress as a whole gets horrible approval ratings. At the same time, people give their elected officials high ratings. It's like they don't draw the simple conclusion that their people also suck and are part of the reason Congress as a whole does.. They keep re-electing all these shmucks, and here we are.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 06:41 pm
Cryotte sighting!! Lol. Well
Cryotte sighting!! Lol. Well I guess this thread was worth it after all.
Mitch was up for re election in what looked to be a tight race at the time so I think there was more of a chance than looked like on the surface. Pelosi could have at least tried to fight for stimulus payments and drawn up a bill but she passed. It could definitively helped trumps re election bid so I think that played into her and all the other Democrats decision not to push for it.
And yes it's disgraceful and Bernie and the others know what they did. They aren't Saints or anything like that and played politics.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 06:56 pm
Until Citizen's United gets
Until Citizen's United gets overturned and sweeping campaign finance reform is passed, this is what we have to live with. We're all fucked as a result.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 07:04 pm
>Pelosi could have at least
>Pelosi could have at least tried to fight for stimulus payments and drawn up a bill but she passed.
how many times do you need to be told that she did - the bill known as the Heroes Act HR 6800. A 3 trillion dollar stimulus package passed by the House on May 12, 2020. Not her fault Mitch tabled it.
and more recently (yesterday), the House, under Nancy's leadership and direction, passed a bill for $2000 stimulus checks. Again, Mitch and the GOP majority in the Senate shot it down.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 07:12 pm
just came across this,
just came across this, "scrooge" doesn't even begin to address what he's all about
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 07:13 pm
>She is also a member of Congress and can introduce legislation aside from lobby for it. She didn't. She could have and she didn't. She literally decides what gets put on the floor for a vote.<
She did. 4 bills, 2 passed the Senate.
McConnell refused to consider the other two bills the House passed, 3 trillion and 2.2 trillion.
>before the election puting politics ahead of people who may have truly needed it at that moment. Would it have passed through the Senate? Maybe not<
I disagree that it wouldn't have had a chance of passing. It would have passed in the house and actually might have had a chance in the senate seeing that at the time of the election the republicans were trying to gain <
McConnell stated publicly that the Senate would not consider the legislation. The Senate was on a tight schedule to get Barrett confirmed before the election.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 07:18 pm
The legislation was higher
The legislation was higher than they wanted and she didn't want to look like she was negotiable with republicans. Again, we live in a failed state. They could have made an arrangement but the dems didn't want to budge either. So stop making excuses for them. They are part of it as well. The 2000$ payment stimulus was just a play that they knew wouldn't pass after the 600$ one did. Sad to see the dems try to deflect that one away from themselves when pelosi got on her stage and talked about how "significant" it was.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 07:39 pm
The $2000 stimulus was
The $2000 stimulus was calling Trump's bluff.
the GOP, Mitch and Trump really didn't want any stimulus checks and finally agreed to $600. It was the only way any Bill would pass in the GOP controlled Senate. Of course Trump was bluffing but Nancy was ready to respond and did. Again Mitch blocked it. Fact. Your fantasy is stale
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 07:53 pm
>The legislation was higher than they wanted and she didn't want to look like she was negotiable with republicans. <
She was negotiating with Steve Mnuchin until Trump pulled the plug
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sun so hot, clouds so low Trailhead
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 07:58 pm
That Trump false idol above =
That Trump false idol above = flagpole humper.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: pancake Turtle
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 08:20 pm
raw dog
raw dog
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:24 pm
Completely disagree and I
Completely disagree and I believe your wrong, Nanc. They could have passed this sized bill earlier but then they chose not to continue negotiations because a second stimulus would have proved well for Trump in his campaign so the dems kept high balling knowing to republicans would turn it down. Pelosi knew the score would be around this number since their first negotiations. The republicans were going to get their way, yes but if they had passed this same bill earlier then we would be in a different round of negotiations instead of passing a bill that could have been a while ago.
it works both ways Nancy. Republicans are bad yes, and dems are also bad. And now this bill is a joke.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 09:29 pm
The 2000$/payments were
The 2000$/payments were Trumps idea and pelosi wrote it up lol. She knew it wouldn't get passed. She just had to do it because otherwise Trump would look better than her.
Out political leaders are only in this for saving face. Please see it for what it is.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 10:30 pm
funny to watch the
funny to watch the neoliberals defend and justify pelosi.
she rubber stamped trumps agenda. fact.
your fantasy is stale. there is no defending or justifying that.
pelosi is a progressive agenda killer. pro at it.
she endorses people that voted against stimulus....dems lol. more facts. as well as pro life candidates. more facts.
i can go on and on. but it doesn't matter, corporate apologists think she's some tough woman fighting for the working class. it couldn't be further from the truth, but here we are. she's female mitch. shut the fuck up.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Tuesday, December 29, 2020 – 10:36 pm
pelosi plays games w/ people
pelosi plays games w/ people's livelihoods.
then she cackles are crushes glass marbles in her mouth as she slithers away to her masters.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha Slickrock
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 12:19 am
You guys STILL going back and
You guys STILL going back and forth? Good God. Anybody solve anything or convince anybody of anything?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 01:29 am
Anybody solve anything or
Anybody solve anything or convince anybody of anything?
without any heat, who are your masters??
JFC STFU
get a "new" hobby perhaps????? hating full time must be so exhausting
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 07:23 am
remember when LLTD called for
remember when LLTD called for certain zoner to die b/c of political differences.
are you talking to yourself, LLTD?
slick, this is a message board, w/ very title activity. why do you post in these threads?
have you saved utah yet?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 07:40 am
Pyramid, Sanders says McConnell's conditions on the 2000 payment are a deal breaker, will he filibuster the defense authorization veto override?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 08:12 am
i hope so.
i hope so.
funny, bernie literally the only one demanding we get something -- and remember, the 2000 is still a joke -- complete failed state.
but $600 is nothing.
where's vp-elect harris? what a coward. now she is not allowed to push for the 2000 -- hilarious. complete silence from her.
where are all the other candidates that ran in 2020? complete silence. what a joke they all are.
bernie the only true one out there.
and to think people couldn't find it in them to vote for him.
shameful.
jokers fell for warren and klobochar. lol. biden. we're fucked.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 08:22 am
Sanders has already delayed
Sanders has already delayed the veto override but all he can do is delay until New Year's Day. Then they can vote to veto but it's pretty rare than a presidents veto gets overridden. The defense bill is another garbage peice of legislation lol. Country has gone straight to hell
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 08:29 am
>where's vp-elect harris?<
That's a good question.
>bernie the only true one out there<
Hasn't Markey had some things to say about it?
>and to think people couldn't find it in them to vote for him>
A majority of people in this country are afraid of socialism. Sure, they support many socialistish programs, but the word inspires fear and anger, especially when a person freely describes themselves as one.
The hope lies in the younger folks, younger than you, even.
You know, Pyramid, I have outrage overload, it happened a long time ago. I've given up hoping that things will change for the better on the federal level, so I don't expect much... I'm seldom surprised.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 08:45 am
Harris lol. She got the best
Harris lol. She got the best paying job with the least amount of work now. She ain't gotta do shit son. Fucking Democrat faithful got played the fuck out once again.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 08:51 am
harris doesn't deserve to be
harris doesn't deserve to be there.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force Rock And Roll Goddess
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 09:27 am
It's going to really piss You
It's going to really piss You off when She becomes President Harris.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 09:33 am
imo, won't happen. the
imo, won't happen. the identity politics that people like you fall for, isn't strong enough w/ her.
she was a hard pass in the primary, winning zero delegates, and she was one of the top stars of the show, if not queen.
she's no obama, far far from it -- and i wouldn't be surprised if the dnc and harris hand the country back to a smarter and more dangerous trump.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 09:36 am
Timpy voted for Biden/Harris,
Timpy voted for Biden/Harris, even though he's in a state in which he could have safely voted his conscience. That makes him worse than the neoliberals.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 09:39 am
yeah i mean, no comment.
yeah i mean, no comment.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 09:46 am
Let's just hope and pray that
Let's just hope and pray that Trump was some sort of political anomaly that is rare and only comes around once in a lifetime. For whatever reasons, tens of millions saw him as a cult-like leader. He became president because he was some enigmatic personality, who came around at the right time. I don't think that there's another quite like him out there, someone who can move people like he did.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 09:48 am
bernie was the closest thing
bernie was the closest thing to that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 09:50 am
I handed my vote to my wife
I handed my vote to my wife and let her vote for who she wanted since I don't support any politicians at all. That's illegal I know. Call the cops Bk.
Kinda sad how you're obsessed with that. Maybe get over it, chief?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 09:54 am
Don't bring your wife into
Don't bring your wife into this. Your rules. It was your vote and you cast it for Biden/Harris. Now you're acting all holier than thou. What a joke. Take a lap.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 09:58 am
my ballot was covered in acid
my ballot was covered in acid once i was done w/ it.
weird.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board Mr_timpane
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 10:28 am
Hard to tell your posts are
Hard to tell your posts are coming from a grown adult, Bk. You're still mad that your new tattoo is fucking terrible and it's on your leg for the rest of your sad days. You better go stock up on some pants, jerk off.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 10:41 am
4.8
4.8
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 11:16 am
hahaha.
hahaha.
remember guys -- nancy pelosi crushes marbles in her mouth multiple times per day.
mike edwards will google it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 05:15 pm
Describe obsessed....
Describe obsessed....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 05:22 pm
The Senate is not going to be bullied into rushing out more borrowed money into the hands of Democrats' rich friends who don't need the help."
Mitch McConnell 12.30.20
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 05:42 pm
The Bernie Bros will never
The Bernie Bros will never blame Mitch or Trump. They're fixated on blaming Pelosi and Democrats.
doesn't change the fact that Mitch is the reason there hasn't been adequate stimulus $$ for those in need
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 08:58 pm
^belongs to a cult. just like
^belongs to a cult. just like the trumpers. just blind.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Wednesday, December 30, 2020 – 10:23 pm
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Thursday, December 31, 2020 – 10:33 am
> nancy pelosi crushes
> nancy pelosi crushes marbles in her mouth multiple times per day
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1206335971974959107
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Thursday, December 31, 2020 – 10:59 am
>belongs to a cult. just like the trumpers. just blind<
Please tell me how Pelosi can get McConnell to bring up the $2000 for a vote?
The $2000 payment is the 5th covid related releif bill to pass in the Democratic controlled House. Only 2 of the 5 have been voted on in the Senate.
How can Pelosi get McConnell to vote on the other three?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb pyramidheat
on Friday, January 1, 2021 – 07:51 am
41 dems, folks.
41 dems, folks.
fucking you straight thru the new year!
mike edwards -- go google something.