A Flying Fuck to Live Nation
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I was sitting at my computer ready to grab some B-52s tickets a little while ago and it went down like this:
Got to the on sale site and proceeded to log in.
Timer hit zero and I was 300+ in line to purchase.
About 1 min later I was offered tickets at $129 + fees for 6th row orchestra.
I hit the purchase button and now the tickets are $159 + fees.
I decide to look again to see if I misread the price and if other tickets had been thrown back by others.
The same tickets in the 6th row come up again but the price now says $179 + fees.
i click purchase and the tickets are NOW listed at $235 + fees!!!
I come to find out that most of Live Nation shows are now priced dynamically based on demand. If you check out a ticket page before the on sale time and it doesn't list any prices, that is how the sale will proceed.
Needless to say, I did not purchase tickets today. If I find a pair in the future that are priced at what I believe is a fair exchange, I will buy them. If not, I have lots of great memories of concerts past.
OH YEAH...FUCK YOU LIVE NATION!!!!!
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: An organ grinder’s tune
that'a called dynamic
that's called dynamic scalping.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor
Why the bands don't have more
Why the bands don't have more control over this kind of shit is baffling!
Or they just don't care.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
Well by not buying you at
Well by not buying you at least helped the person behind you in line get a lower price.
And yeah the bands don't give a fuck. It's all pay back for stealing their music.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
I don't support bands who use
I don't support bands who use live nation venues.
Too easy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
that's called dynamic
Pretty much.
They do have control but LN offers a much larger guarentee if you let them set prices dyamically, handle all the merch, etc. Top draws have a lot more negotiating room.
I can't say that the performers don't give a fuck but I'm sure part of the reason they go down this path is because of the paltry return on music sales these days. Streaming, piracy...it all contributes.
It isn't the use of LN venues that is the problem, it's the use of LN tour management. Plenty of bands end up playing at LN venues as well as venues owned by others. Usually it is larger bands with some money behind them already.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk
Mafia tactics
Mafia tactics
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sigmund
DONT BUY Presales!!!
DONT BUY Presales!!!
Unless it's your Birthday or you don't care about $
The closer it gets to the show the cheaper tickets get. Who knows if you will even feel good or how the weather will play out that day. I'm done pre-buying tickets and have yet to be shut out of Any show.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
I mentioned streaming above.
I mentioned streaming above. I was made aware of a sobering statistic yesterday about streaming revenue.
Back in 1977, if you had your song played 1 million times on the radio it would generate approx $60,000 in revenue to be split among the various rights holders.
In 2022, if you have your song played 1 million time on Spotify it will generate approx $2000 in revenue to be split amont the various rights holders.
Since so few people actually buy physical music (including digital downloads) it's no surprise that ticket and merch prices keep going up.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
DONT BUY Presales!!!
While I may agree wth that statement, today's sale wasn't a presale. It was the regular on sale to the public sale.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
Let me be more clear:
Let me be more clear:
Tour management
venues
ticketing
I don't play 3 card monte with live nation. If it says Live Nation on anything, I choose a different act in a different place.
it's easier than not eating at McDonald's.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sigmund
^^^ Omg I'm sorry that
^^^ Omg I'm sorry that happened to you and I do see your concern about this show being a tuff ticket to get if it does sell out.
IMHO If it were me, I'd plan on attending a couple shows and simply wait for a cheap ticket. I recently scored Good Elton John tickets day of the show $100 less than face and plenty of time to drive into the city.
Cash or Trade is a Great App
Good Luck and Fuck TicketBastard and LiveNadTown!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
The B-52s are great, the B
The B-52s are great, the B-ShiftyU's not so much. Good luck Tony. Hope a way in materializes for you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
Just to be clear, I'm sure I
Just to be clear, I'm sure I will get to at least 1 show on this tour at a price I am comfortable with. Like most everyone on Viva, it ain't my first rodeo. Hell, since the show I wanted tickets for is at a casino in Atlantic City, I'm sure I could get some good tickets if I spend a few hours gambling from the house.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Just got Burning Spear tix
Just got Burning Spear tix for San Diego. $35 plus fees
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sigmund
"How You Feelin'!?!"
"How You Feelin'!?!"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
I noticed the same thing and
I noticed the same thing and thought that I was on the wrong website.
Gonna wait and see, I guess
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
Spear...
(((Spear)))
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness
Flying fucks were given?
Flying fucks were given?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
no surcharge for those
freely. no surcharge for those
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Richard Cranium
$60.00 is my tops for a show
$60.00 is my tops for a show these days. That's all nostalgia is worth to me.......
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: An organ grinder’s tune
i custied up the $65 seats
i custied up the $65 seats for spear. thought he was done. with fees, its was like a buck 70 for a pair...
nice venue, but a college on a sat may not be that ital...
fire up some of mickey's sticky slack! see ya there.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
Flying fucks were given?
Yes, they were freely given. Maybe I should have gone with the dynamic fuck pricing model instead.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness
> Maybe I should have gone
> Maybe I should have gone with the dynamic fuck pricing model instead.
I think you need a rolling donut for that option.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
Personally, I have no real
Personally, I have no real objections to promoters & artists selling their product for whatever they want. It's their product, and if people are willing to spend lots of money for it then the people who are presenting and performing the product should be the ones getting that money.
I also don't have a problem with dynamic pricing, again IMO the creators & owners of a product have the right to charge what the market will bear. Other businesses raise or lower prices on their products, artists & promoters should be able too as well.
All that being said, what Tony describes here seems seriously over the line. If a price is listed on the purchase page and a customer clicks on that and begins the transaction at that price, that should lock whatever price was "clicked" on. If the promoter wants to fluctuate the prices by the minute then good for them, but once a transaction has begun the ticket should be sold at the price shown at the time.
I've never seen this particular scheme of the price changing during a transaction, maybe because there are really no performers I'm interested in anymore who are popular enough to play these games. And I'm glad about that, because it's a bummer to be priced out of an event you really want to attend.
I was planning on going to Paul McCartney and was prepared to spend for it, but damn the prices are SO ridiculously high that I'm skipping it, which is too bad but oh well. The prices for seated tix for Dead $ Co. at Shoreline blew my mind as well.
It's amazing to me that there are so many folks willing & able to pay so much, and good for them if they have a great time. We all have our individual ceiling for these deals, how bad we want to see an event and what we can afford. I ponied up big-time for a playoff Warriors basketball game last week, and it was totally worth it, but they didn't jack the price up after I started the purchase either.
That maneuver sets a new line for slime, but I guess they figure since everyone already hates them they might as well just keep shoving it down until it backs up.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: DaBreeze
Love how at Shoreline they
Love how at Shoreline they actually have a sponsor name for the lawn.