The cannabis industry really needs to get their shit together with this. They can't sell flavored nicotine vapes because they appeal to teens, but cannabis products look like they are marketed to 5 year olds. You can tell very young kids to stay away from booze bottles because they are booze bottles and look like such. "You can eat this gummie but not that one." The kid then finds one on the floor and chomps it. How the hell are they supposed to know? If you make a highly potent drug look like candy, it will be mistaken for candy.
As much 60,000 children a year are accidentally poisoned from parents medications. We have that number as a comparison. I agree if you market your product as a Scooby Snack you are asking for a "Ruh Roh!"
>>>The cannabis industry really needs to get their shit together with this.
Yep and this goes double for the newly emerging psychedelics decriminalization. Cannabis legalization has been about as smooth as can be imagined particularly in comparison to the doomsday scenarios that many people said would happen. That isn't going to happen with psychedelics. Inexperienced people will take them for the first time - do stupid things, and die. It will also bring out a whole bunch of underlying psychosis.
All drugs should be legal, but that doesn't mean that they don't come with a price. People are acting like psychedelics are the cure for everything and if that is the expectation going in then the inevitable backlash is going to be severe. All I can say is that I have spent my whole adult life around psychedelic use and I haven't noticed my cohort having some sort of immunity to physical and mental health problems.
I'm kind of surprised to see you taking up the Nanny State stance, BK. I'm also thinking the form a product takes could be a First Amendment issue. If the product is legal, it shouldn't matter what form it takes, even if it resembles a Scooby Snack.
That said, I think child-proof packaging is the real issue here, but even that is no guarantee of safety. As Trailhead noted, "60,000 children a year are accidentally poisoned from their parents medications" (and that number seems to check out), and the NPR piece said that "3,000+ young children accidentally ate weed edibles in 2021".
3,000 is 5% of 60,000, which means that the other 95% of children a year who are accidentally poisoned from their parents medications somehow managed to get around the child-proof packaging in which prescription meds are required to be dispensed. I'll also mention here that those 57,000 children who were poisoned from their parent's prescription medications likely consumed pills that do not resemble candy in any way, shape, or form.
It may be getting sold in some newfandangled "child-proof" fancy packaging but what happens after people leave the stores is something else altogether. People at large should be more aware and keep it safer if/when children may be around, as with anything remotely similar or worse.
Children and adults easily die from alcohol poisoning, not any deaths yet from THC overdose., or will there ever be.
>>>Inexperienced people will take them for the first time - do stupid things, and die.
kinda like a GD concert.....pretty much a psychedelic free for all....along with frat boys puking down your back in the second set. ......I guess we're getting old and in the way.
The approach to psychedelics, or as the Native Americans coin it, "your intent" going in is everything, and their set and setting is always for spiritual exploration, connecting with ancestral spirits. Not mixing alcohol or Anything else with a singular psychedelic is also paramount in their practices, which include daily prayer and fasting before taking the medicine. They take their journeys seriously, as it is considered very disrespectful to abuse the medicine. The punishment for abusing any ancestral medicine is the self induced bad trip, aka, You asked for it.
I attended another Peyote ceremony this past Friday to ring out the old Year, and a 17 month old child was given a small spoonful of Peyote laden Chocolate. When psychs are used with the intent of learning and opening your heart in a Family setting, it makes for a truly incredible loving experience. And these are brothers and sisters who care about your well-being, physically and spiritually, so in that caring, loving space is there exists tremendous room to go deep.
You're 100% right on all that, Mike. However, as we know, people are dumbfucks. Even with a nanny state on prescription meds, 60,000 kids get poisoned. Can you imagine what it would be like if Xanax came in cutely packaged gummies?
Also, I'm not sure I called for a nanny state. I said I wished the industry would better police itself.
To be clear I want psychedelics to be legal and widely available. I think it might make the world a slightly better place. That said it would be nice to avoid the inevitable media storm when some politicians underage daughter does decriminalized DMT and it brings her underlying psychosis to the front. Hopefully we can ride that out and continue with decriminalization and not revert back to the war on drugs. I really don't know how to do that, but I also know that psychedelics aren't the cure all for all that ails our society. I can tell you the insurance companies love anything that gets them out of paying for mental health therapists so the push for K, MDMA, and psychedelic therapy is fully on.
I remember reading a history of LSD and apparently the Luce family who owned the Time Magazine empire back when that meant something were doing LSD in the 60's. They thought it was a great drug for people like them but thought the masses couldn't be trusted with it. After the last six years I am moving closer to their view.
>>> They thought it was a great drug for people like them but thought the masses couldn't be trusted with it. After the last six years I am moving closer to their view.
The uber-privileged of any society during any point in time believe that they know better or "are in the know" more than others. . Nothing new there.
I'm quite sure that legalization will create its own set of problems, but no more so than the legalization of alcohol and firearms. We have free will. and that, by itself , is going to throw chaos into any regulated societal experiment. The key is educating the public on the positives and potential negatives of any substance. But beyond that..........?????
Did any of us worry about what society thought or the ills that may come our way when we decided to eat a shitload of acid, maybe throw some boomers in there too, before floating into the concert? I know I didn't. We're just older now with a perspective that affords a bit more wisdom due to our past excursions, yet.......there will always and forever be a new generation of Seekers coming up and creating that chaos that makes the rest of the world take notice that change is happening. So let the wealthy start the fire, the rest of the world will take it from there.
I attended The Philoween shows in October and happened on, llollo and china rider, now Forgive me but I do live in France and " gummy's" hadn't quite madeit here yet, so... when Llolo offered me some candy , my mind raced to my mom's old advice don't take candy from strangers..Fortunately we were all no longer Strangers. so I discovered them.. Real fun times! as for stoner parents, I ask my kids for rolling papers now!
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At least Jr. can't blow Mom's
At least little Cletis can't blow Mama's head off with a stray gummie.
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far better than drunk and
far better than drunk and fighting moms and dads. The Kids Are Alright.
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The cannabis industry really
The cannabis industry really needs to get their shit together with this. They can't sell flavored nicotine vapes because they appeal to teens, but cannabis products look like they are marketed to 5 year olds. You can tell very young kids to stay away from booze bottles because they are booze bottles and look like such. "You can eat this gummie but not that one." The kid then finds one on the floor and chomps it. How the hell are they supposed to know? If you make a highly potent drug look like candy, it will be mistaken for candy.
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As much 60,000 children a
As much 60,000 children a year are accidentally poisoned from parents medications. We have that number as a comparison. I agree if you market your product as a Scooby Snack you are asking for a "Ruh Roh!"
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>>>The cannabis industry
>>>The cannabis industry really needs to get their shit together with this.
Yep and this goes double for the newly emerging psychedelics decriminalization. Cannabis legalization has been about as smooth as can be imagined particularly in comparison to the doomsday scenarios that many people said would happen. That isn't going to happen with psychedelics. Inexperienced people will take them for the first time - do stupid things, and die. It will also bring out a whole bunch of underlying psychosis.
All drugs should be legal, but that doesn't mean that they don't come with a price. People are acting like psychedelics are the cure for everything and if that is the expectation going in then the inevitable backlash is going to be severe. All I can say is that I have spent my whole adult life around psychedelic use and I haven't noticed my cohort having some sort of immunity to physical and mental health problems.
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I'm kind of surprised to see
I'm kind of surprised to see you taking up the Nanny State stance, BK. I'm also thinking the form a product takes could be a First Amendment issue. If the product is legal, it shouldn't matter what form it takes, even if it resembles a Scooby Snack.
That said, I think child-proof packaging is the real issue here, but even that is no guarantee of safety. As Trailhead noted, "60,000 children a year are accidentally poisoned from their parents medications" (and that number seems to check out), and the NPR piece said that "3,000+ young children accidentally ate weed edibles in 2021".
3,000 is 5% of 60,000, which means that the other 95% of children a year who are accidentally poisoned from their parents medications somehow managed to get around the child-proof packaging in which prescription meds are required to be dispensed. I'll also mention here that those 57,000 children who were poisoned from their parent's prescription medications likely consumed pills that do not resemble candy in any way, shape, or form.
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I dunno. We have kitchen
I dunno. We have kitchen cabinet shelves my wife can't reach.
Sounds like a stoner mom/dad issue.
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It may be getting sold in
It may be getting sold in some newfandangled "child-proof" fancy packaging but what happens after people leave the stores is something else altogether. People at large should be more aware and keep it safer if/when children may be around, as with anything remotely similar or worse.
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Children easily die from
Children and adults easily die from alcohol poisoning, not any deaths yet from THC overdose., or will there ever be.
>>>Inexperienced people will take them for the first time - do stupid things, and die.
kinda like a GD concert.....pretty much a psychedelic free for all....along with frat boys puking down your back in the second set. ......I guess we're getting old and in the way.
The approach to psychedelics, or as the Native Americans coin it, "your intent" going in is everything, and their set and setting is always for spiritual exploration, connecting with ancestral spirits. Not mixing alcohol or Anything else with a singular psychedelic is also paramount in their practices, which include daily prayer and fasting before taking the medicine. They take their journeys seriously, as it is considered very disrespectful to abuse the medicine. The punishment for abusing any ancestral medicine is the self induced bad trip, aka, You asked for it.
I attended another Peyote ceremony this past Friday to ring out the old Year, and a 17 month old child was given a small spoonful of Peyote laden Chocolate. When psychs are used with the intent of learning and opening your heart in a Family setting, it makes for a truly incredible loving experience. And these are brothers and sisters who care about your well-being, physically and spiritually, so in that caring, loving space is there exists tremendous room to go deep.
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Your 100% right on all that,
You're 100% right on all that, Mike. However, as we know, people are dumbfucks. Even with a nanny state on prescription meds, 60,000 kids get poisoned. Can you imagine what it would be like if Xanax came in cutely packaged gummies?
Also, I'm not sure I called for a nanny state. I said I wished the industry would better police itself.
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To be clear I want
To be clear I want psychedelics to be legal and widely available. I think it might make the world a slightly better place. That said it would be nice to avoid the inevitable media storm when some politicians underage daughter does decriminalized DMT and it brings her underlying psychosis to the front. Hopefully we can ride that out and continue with decriminalization and not revert back to the war on drugs. I really don't know how to do that, but I also know that psychedelics aren't the cure all for all that ails our society. I can tell you the insurance companies love anything that gets them out of paying for mental health therapists so the push for K, MDMA, and psychedelic therapy is fully on.
I remember reading a history of LSD and apparently the Luce family who owned the Time Magazine empire back when that meant something were doing LSD in the 60's. They thought it was a great drug for people like them but thought the masses couldn't be trusted with it. After the last six years I am moving closer to their view.
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When my first was born I bought this and never looked back
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>>> They thought it was a
>>> They thought it was a great drug for people like them but thought the masses couldn't be trusted with it. After the last six years I am moving closer to their view.
The uber-privileged of any society during any point in time believe that they know better or "are in the know" more than others. . Nothing new there.
I'm quite sure that legalization will create its own set of problems, but no more so than the legalization of alcohol and firearms. We have free will. and that, by itself , is going to throw chaos into any regulated societal experiment. The key is educating the public on the positives and potential negatives of any substance. But beyond that..........?????
Did any of us worry about what society thought or the ills that may come our way when we decided to eat a shitload of acid, maybe throw some boomers in there too, before floating into the concert? I know I didn't. We're just older now with a perspective that affords a bit more wisdom due to our past excursions, yet.......there will always and forever be a new generation of Seekers coming up and creating that chaos that makes the rest of the world take notice that change is happening. So let the wealthy start the fire, the rest of the world will take it from there.
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Tim, did you refer to your
Tim, did you refer to your safe as Pandora's Box or as The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil?
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> I said I wished the
> I said I wished the industry would better police itself.
You did lead with that, BK, but by the end of your post, your tone shifted to something more proscriptive about what edibles should look like.
I think Bluest and Tim pretty much nailed this though. This is really a parental thing, no matter what the product looks like, or what it's sold in.
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The original Horseradish
The original Horseradish/Limburger flavored gummies didn't sell well.
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We still have bath salts and
We still have bath salts and fake weed, what makes you think our Florida representatives give a shit about candy wrapped edibles or children?
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>>This is really a parental
>>This is really a parental thing, no matter what the product looks like,
Yes, but so many parents suck ass.
It's true, I do wish the legit cannabis industry would stop packaging it like candy.
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>>>It's true, I do wish the
I wish loaded guns and liquor cabinets were idiot proof. They are not. This is what freedom looks like.
Grumpy Old Men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV-p51fvYLc
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I attended The Philoween
I attended The Philoween shows in October and happened on, llollo and china rider, now Forgive me but I do live in France and " gummy's" hadn't quite madeit here yet, so... when Llolo offered me some candy , my mind raced to my mom's old advice don't take candy from strangers..Fortunately we were all no longer Strangers. so I discovered them.. Real fun times! as for stoner parents, I ask my kids for rolling papers now!