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I'm sure you can find footage on your news feed.

Giant container ship veers off course and hits bridge in middle of the night. The bridge is right off Ft McHenry and is part of the Baltimore Beltway /695. 

They have footage of the bridge collapsing as it happens. I've never seen anything like it.

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https://www.wbaltv.com/article/baltimore-bridge-collapse-key-bridge/6030...

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Don't most large bridges have "dolphins" - barriers of steel, concrete, and wood to protect the bridge from ships?

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ship and car traffic is gonna be a clusterfuck for quite a while -- 

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to clarify the Fort at one end of the bridge is Fort Armistead but the bridge is a big landmark visible from Fort McHenry:

"The Francis Scott Key Bridge is one of Baltimore’s most familiar landmarks. Located on I-695 (Baltimore Beltway, the bridge spans the lower Patapsco River between Hawkins Point and Sollers Point. The bridge is the outermost of the three major crossings of Baltimore Harbor.

The Francis Scott Key Bridge is a popular destination of pleasure boaters, tourists, anglers, and other explorers.  The bridge pilings and other components form an underwater reef that attracts striped bass, white perch, and other sport fish. 

Each summer, the U.S. Coast Guard deploys the Francis Scott Key memorial buoy in the Patapsco River near the bridge. The star-spangled buoy marks the approximate location where Francis Scott Key wrote The country’s National Anthem while trying to facilitate the release of a prisoner being held on a British ship during the bombardment on Fort McHenry in 1814.

The Francis Scott Key Bridge was formerly known as the Outer Harbor Crossing. Other local names include Key Bridge, FSK bridge, and Beltway Bridge."

I remember when the Skyway Bridge in St Pete was hit and a bus load of children lives were lost, along with others. My friends wife represented the parents of the children. 
 

 

I believe thy Skyway Captain was drunk

Yes I have pics of my kids in front of it from mchenry

you'll see a lot of photos of the destroyed bridge, but this is how it used to look from the waterside.

4 lanes. felt pretty safe to drive over -- like part of the regular highway because it was relatively "level"  (unlike the scary hill-like Bay Bridge that connects Annapolis and Eastern Shore) -- with a view of the industrial and port parts of Baltimore that you don't usually see if you live in the suburbs.  It was a nice way to skip a lot of the endless construction on the other routes. 

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Good thing this didn't happen at rush hour.

migrants?

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Where's that confounded bridge?

Hope this isn't some sort of weird omen for the Orioles mid-relievers.

ahh   geez-- in the maritime industry - it was called .... "General Average"   (insurance)

Maersk Line cappy's in deep shit.

I just read the ship dropped the anchor trying to avoid the collision. 

It's sort of difficult understanding exactly how large these types of vessels actually are without seeing them in person

the Dali is about the same size as a Nimitz class aircraft carrier, which carries just under 100 combat ready aircraft. when fully loaded, it's much taller than an aircraft carrier 

10,000 shipping containers stacked nine stories high 

Covers 1000 feet of waterline and displacing around 30 Olympic swimming pools worth of water

 

 

Good luck to the people of Baltimore, and to the shipping community.  
 

Daily commuting across the harbor will be much more difficult for a long time to come, with only the two tunnel routes useable (although not for hazardous materials, which aren't allowed in the tunnels).  
 

Some big ships are trapped in the harbor for the time being, and the port will be closed for a while.  I guess they'll have to use New York City and Norfolk for container ships and transfer to ground transportation there.

Not looking good for the six missing maintenance workers.  Falling from that height into chilly water, it's doubtful any of them survived.

I saw an aircraft carrier pass under the GG Bridge from the pedestrian walkway  during fleet week (prior to 9-11 when you could do such things) the displacement was incredible, i could see into the cockpit of the planes on the deck.

Years ago they were shipping some cranes to the Oakland shipyard that were manufactured in China. That vessel had to anchor outside the Golden Gate until low tide in order to pass under the Bay bridge with on a few feet to spare.

 

then there was this container ship a few years ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9jVPoI4kyk

 

^^^prior to 9-11 when you could do such things
 

in 2001 July 4th I was in NYC for a tall ship parade up the river. We went to the top of the WTC to watch a stealth bomber fly up the river, below us and fireworks that night.Very surreal fast forwarding a few months

That is pretty crazy Fish. (By the way have fun at Dylan, wish I was there).

WALSTIB, that ship sat off Stinson Beach, where I live, for at least 2 days, 

waiting for that exact timing of what was probably the lowest tide of the year, not sure...

    I have footage of it somewhere, it was pretty weird to see it just sitting there, waiting....

When they finally did it I believe they cleared the GG Bridge by 5 feet or less.....Insane.

 

 

My dad worked in the Container Shipping business for his entire career, the last 25 years as the representative for the European and Japanese shipowners with the U.S. and Canadian governments, as well as at the U.N.  With his offices in Washington, D.C., he was very familiar with the Port of Baltimore.  He was given a key to Baltimore by then Mayor Tommy D'Alesandro (Nancy Pelosi's dad)  for his work with the Port.  Somewhere in the great beyond, my dad is looking at this with incredulous disbelief.

I can only imagine your dad's thoughts, Herbal Dave.

How stupid can you be???

The appropriate measure given the ship was adrift in a harbor that would inevitably run into something is to...

DROP ANCHOR

then fix the issue and then proceed. 

 

 

 

 

Apparently they did

Sad that lives were lost, and that's a tremendous amount of damage. Probably have watched too many episodes of Trafficked when i think of the "delay of shipment, turn on the TV" texts going out to El Jefé.

The conspiracy theories are already circulating. Why were there police on both sides ot the bridge att he exact moment of impact and able to stop traffic? Why did the boat go dark just when it did? Why were there not a lot of rescue boats observed in the water? Where are the barges with cranes?  Why were the crew allowed to remain on board their ship? 

There are logical answers to all these questions...

this makes me think of the freight trains carrying more than they should, being forced to travel faster than they are supposed to, and wreaking havoc upon crash

horrible

and def "better" to have been at night

BIGGER ANCHOR

Fox News is suggesting one the containers was full of crack for Obama and Hunter Biden, the crew broke into it and were completely spun. Liberals and their drugs will be the end of us all!

They could close the bridge but not get the anchor down in time? 

I think it's extremely unlikely that there wasn't One car on that bridge at 1:30 AM.....

 

I know it happens, my wife crossed the Golden Gate Bridge just last night at about 1 AM,

and she said there literally wasn't another car on the bridge, either coming from Marin or

coming from San Francisco.....which is pretty unusual.

     Just now, local news talking about the protections the GG Bridge has to try to prevent this....

In the aftermath of the incident, fans of the TV show "The Wire" have been reminiscing about the bridge which is featured heavily throughout season two (first aired in 2003), which primarily focuses on the docks and dock workers of Baltimore and the struggles that industry was facing.

https://www.indy100.com/tv/the-wire-key-bridge-baltimore#:~:text=In%20th....

>>>BIGGER ANCHOR<<<

I heard a report that said dropping the anchor on a ship that heavy while under way would have just resulted in the base of the anchor ripping away from the deck of the ship.

And I'm wondering if the skeevy cave dweller terrorists saw this and got an idea?

Because just how well protected are those huge freight carriers on their way out of harbor?

Anywhere near the modern safety levels of airplanes?

Watch out Golden Gate Bridge.

Fuckers.

The ship notified authorities on land that they had lost power and were about to hit the bridge. The bridge was closed to traffic just in time.

The ship claimed that they dropped the anchor, but an anchor put out by such a large ship moving at almost 10 mph has little immediate impact on the speed of the ship, even if the anchor doesn't break.  Also, it takes several minutes to deploy a large anchor.

The ship is caught up in the wreckage of the bridge and hasn't been able to move. Crew prob. has no visas for the US and would not be allowed to debark.

Does Boeing make ships?

 

if not, they must be relieved to see front page news featuring a big defective boat and not one of their big defective planes.

Alan, thinking of you. 
Posted by a friend in Baltimore, from the Museum:

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Baltimore Museum of Industry

A bridge is by nature designed to carry people and freight from one place to another, to join two places, foster a connection.

The Francis Scott Key Bridge carried workers for nearly a half century—to steel mills, sugar refineries, offices downtown. It was being repaired by middle of the night laborers filling potholes so day workers would have a safer ride to their jobs. When tragedy strikes, we become one, connected to each other, like a bridge. Our hearts go out to everyone affected by today’s tragedy just down the river from where we stand.

I blame Bob Irsay.

I blame the '88 Orioles and that ridiculous Bill Ripken baseball card

Ah yes, almost forgot about that classic. Good ole Fuck Face.

10,000 containers stacked 9 high would be over 11 hundred stacks?

BSS. Enlighten me on this.

Well, it's been a while since I've been around logistics stuff to know the exact specifics, but what I do know is:

a "Container" (one container unit) is measured in 20 foot increment. So an "average ship" can carry 10k units

most actual containers are 40', so they technically count as two units

They're stacked roughly around 24 wide, 24 deep (bow to stern), and nine containers high (this is the mechanical limit of the engineering)

so my math says 24x24 = 576 stacks

x 9 crates high = 5,184 forty footers

And then roughly double that number again if they're 20'

 

 

I heard on cbs news that the ship that hit the FSK bridge is 900' long, 3 football fields, and is quadruple the size of the cargo ship that hit that same bridge in 1980.

The photo above shows maybe close to 1,000 containers and it looks pretty full. At most 18 Length by 5 or 6 wide. 9 high would put it at just under a thousand. Even doubling that is no where near 10,000.

Wikipedia entry for MV Dali says 9,971 TEU

(assuming that number is correct)

that's pretty darn close to 10k

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Dali

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-foot_equivalent_unit

 

yeah, seems this ship is kind of on the smaller side of container ships?

I don't think the photo speaks much to the ships actual mathematical cargo capacity though

hell, those could all be 53' crates

I think the ships owners should foot the repair bill not the American taxpayer. 

 

 

MV Dali?

appropriate name for such a surreal diaster...

thanks judit - sweet picture

the Key bridge is analagous to the Richmond / San Rafael Bridge --- if it's not available, there's other ways to get there, but the other ways are not as convenient, more congested and/or take longer. I might be wrong, but it might be the same kind of bridge, too. 

outta all those containers on the giant ship, how many hold stolen cars?