I haven't seen real results but those of you who are alluding to a frighteningly bad outcome, I'm sorry for all of us. There's a lot of work ahead to protect everyone who will be endangered.
In the battle between good and evil, sometimes the bad guy wins. When that happens, those of us who oppose evil must redouble our efforts to ensure that good remains.
What's not to believe? Never underestimate the power of stupid people. Racists don't like their money to be fucked with, and people who believe a pregnant woman should succumb to jesus, is exactly what dump pandered to. That's what half the country is right now. Believe it.
Oligarchs and Russia will now own the USA. Say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, Public Education, Women's rights, Civil Rights, NATO, and free and fair elections. Sad day for America.. and the World, especially Ukrainians. Anyone who spoke poorly about our new Dictator. Union workers who voted for Trump will see all worker protections eliminated too. Fools and suckers.
Went to see the captain, strangest I could find
Laid my proposition down, laid it on the line (note 5)
I won't slave for beggar's pay, likewise gold and jewels
But I would slave to learn the way to sink your ship of fools
Chorus
Ship of fools on a cruel sea
Ship of fools sail away from me
It was later than I thought when I first believed you (note 1)
But now I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools (note 4)
Saw your first ship sink and drown from rocking of the boat
And all that could not sink or swim was just left there to float (note 6)
I won't leave you drifting down but whoa it makes me wild
With thirty years upon my head to have you call me child (note 2)
[chorus]
The bottles stand as empty now, as they were filled before
Time there was and plenty, but from that cup no more
Though I could not caution all, I still might warn a few (note 3)
Don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools
I saw those numbers earlier, and they don't make a lot of sense. Are there around 15 million votes (overseas, absentee, astronauts on the space shuttle, etc.) still to be counted? If the numbers are correct, turn-out overall was down 11%, with Republicans down 3% and Democrats down 18%.
Another eight million votes to be counted in Calfiornia. That will cut into the missing numbers right there. There are also another three million votes or so to be counted in Washington, Oregon, and Arizona.
In my 66% Trump voting county, All the yard signs, flags and car garb is missing. The 30+ Trump homes I pass each morning are null and void of their shit. I drove 30+ miles today all around neighborhoods in Martin County with work and I see it all around. A few scattered here and there at the most.
Did the left go out and steal em all last night? Or did people wake up like after a bad 1 night stand and want to get rid of their embarrassing evidence.
we can thank the DNC and their policies going back to Clinton which only enriched wall st. and fucked over everyone else. this shit has been in motion at least as long as that....the dems let the working class voter get co-opted.
Believe the words we can’t bare to hear.. Today is a day to feel our losses, deeply. This is it its own form of resistance — to feel — This is not despair, this is grief —. and grief demands our presence. It moves with us, through us. This is what it feels like to care and to love all that is vulnerable and at risk. This, too, is what Democracy looks like— to believe, to enlist our courage with a sustained focus toward justice for all; to continue to do the work that is ours. It is never over. We are here for the duration — the long view in the desert is the seedbed of inspiration. The revolution is ours, it isn’t what we thought it would be — but transformation comes in unexpected forms. We will meet this moment with the gifts that are ours — and we will take care of each other — and not look away — This is not the end, nor the beginning, it is the truth of our lives. Our power lies in our capacity to keep loving and engaging with this beautiful, broken world. We can no longer look for leadership beyond ourselves. If we are present. we will know what to do. By your side. One day at a time. Here.
Trump defeats Harris to secure a second term. Here's what comes next. The fights ahead will be even tougher than the ones we’ve already experienced.
To your point, Trailhead, from Mr. Sykes.....
"This is perhaps the hardest part about today: realizing that our fellow Americans saw all of that; watched all of that; listened to all of that, and still said, “Yes, that’s what we want.” That’s who we are.
The whole world is watching. And that’s what they are seeing.
We can change that, of course, because this isn’t the final chapter. But the fight will be long and even harder now that we have been stripped of so many of our illusions."
Thanks for that link, Nancy. I perused the article and will go back to read it through. Looks interesting.
AIG, I think we need more than one person to lead this resistance.
I'm thinking we need a bunch of "American Navalnys." People inspired by his years-long stand against a brutal dictator. I just picked up his memoir and I hope I find some tools, and hope, in there.
two - i am unplugging from the national news and listening to more music and watching more cartoons
THREE - and this is the important thing = America did this to itself and the brutality and mass deportations and all these promises are gonna affect them too...in ways they never imagined
FOUR - make your major purchases now or before next January when we revert to post WWI isolationist foreign policies and tariff / trade wars wars start ...so, whats gonna be worse ? History has shown us the results of this idiocy...
encourage your draft age or soon to be draft age kids to go to college in Europe
One way or another, one way or another, one way or another, this darkness got to give
Yeah Ripple, I'm thinking about ending a couple of subscriptions for nat'l news. Gotta regroup with a clear head.
On the positive side, the idea our elections are not valid and rigged seems to have dissipated magically. Can we get past that nonsense finally and have restored faith in our elections? I'm trying to believe in the long game, and it took four years, but their theories and bullshit are now nowhere to be seen, rendering their validity suspect forever. Now they need to realize they were barking bullshit.
And I wonder if now that there's absolute power by one side, when the policies they enact fail, there will be no one else to blame, and maybe the magic and promises of the narcissist will be proven to be bullshit and the failure of these policies will send the clown to the dustbin of history as a failure and a unknowledgeable fraud.
“Here’s my current mood,” Davis wrote on X Wednesday morning. “I want to drag their dead political bodies through the streets, burn them, and throw them off the wall. (Legally, politically, and financially, of course.)“
“The pundit class is already trying to dissect where Kamala Harris’s campaign went wrong and how the Democrats could have lost this election. I’m not engaging with that conversation. Harris didn’t underperform. Authoritarianism overperformed. Ignorance overperformed. Misogyny and xenophobia and Christian nationalism and tribalism overperformed. And before we start lamenting about how this could have happened, maybe it’s time to admit that this is actually who we are. Trump is and has always been who we are. He represents America’s darkest truth—that selfishness, greed, classism, authoritarianism, and fear of the other have always resonated with far too many Americans. Every era in our history proves that to be true—from the enslavement of Africans, to Puritan intolerance of women, to the genocide of Native Americans, to the Chinese Exclusion Act, to the eugenics movement, to Jim Crow laws, to our refusal to admit Jewish refugees during the Holocaust, to our imprisonment of Japanese Americans during WWII, to the American Nazi movement. This is ALWAYS who we’ve been. We celebrate ourselves for our democracy and our highest ideals—and we should, because even in our most shameful periods, America represents the possibility of an unprecedented hope. But in our self-congratulations, we unfortunately pretend the darker sides of ourselves and our history either never existed or that we’ve moved beyond them. Except we haven’t moved beyond them. Trump is all of our worst traits and disgraceful histories combined into one person, and we need to acknowledge that this sadly appeals to many, many people.
For so long, we’ve tried to understand Trump voters as if they were voting for him despite his worst qualities. We can’t afford to think like that. We need to finally admit that they vote for him with their eyes wide open, and they like what they see. They like his mean-spiritedness. They like his dictatorial nature. They like his demonization of immigrants. They like his abuse of women. They like his crassness and his dishonorable rhetoric. They like that he promises to hurt people and seek revenge. They like his nonsensical positions. And even if they cringe at those things, they are willing to go along with them. None of those things are dealbreakers, and that is every bit as disgraceful as openly celebrating them
And that’s why I’m so distraught today. Not because Trump won, but because decency lost. Again. Our history repeated itself. Again. And when the dust finally settles, we will have learned nothing. Again." -Louise Knott Ahern
From Harvard ethics professor Christopher Robichaud:
“Everyone in the days and weeks ahead will use this loss as an opportunity to seek validation for their own hobby horse complaint. Harris lost because she campaigned with Liz Cheney. Harris lost because she didn't embrace Gaza. Harris lost because she didn't choose Shapiro. Harris lost because she wasn't progressive enough (possibly my favorite one).
Take a good hard look at the map, my friends. Trump has won the popular vote. Trump ran the table. Explaining that with your hobby horse issue isn't going to cut it, tempting and consoling as it may be.
The problem isn't the electoral college. The problem isn't that we didn't have a full primary. The problem isn't Harris. The problem isn't that Dems didn't have the right message. The problem isn't even inflation or the border.
The problem is so much worse than any of those things. Those are all technical problems, with straightforward expertise fixes. If only it were so! No, our problem is not technical. It's very much adaptive. A party that embraced the Big Lie, supported an insurrection, and has been selling conspiracy-addled madness for years was widely and enthusiastically embraced. Voter turnout was profound! People didn't sit this out.
Simply put, the problem--as some of you have rightly posted--is cultural. America, culturally, has completely abandoned a politics of decency and respect and has embraced instead a politics of resentment, revenge, false nostalgia, and bullying. And if you look at the demographics, you also won't be able to comfort yourself that it's just a white thing, or a working class thing, or an education thing. It's multi-class, multi-gender, multi-educational and multi-racial. That's what winning the popular vote means. That's what running the table amounts to.
A culture that has descended to this level of debasement is not easily fixed. In fact it may not ever be fixed. The timeline for changing something like this is decades--at best--not two-to-four year election cycles. You can extend that in this case, because with the GOP likely controlling all branches of federal government and the courts, they will ensure that mechanisms are in place to keep them in power long after their popularity has waned. You can count on that.
The GOP evolved into a party of rage, lies, and revenge--and it correctly diagnosed that there was and is a large appetite for that. That's what the country wants. At least, enough of the country wants it to ensure broad appeal and widespread electoral success. The old GOP will never return, and the Dems have nothing to say to American culture at the moment. Nothing. They've been speaking to a country that's gone, like dust in the wind.
And that's my final thought, which my posts last night alluded to. The America I knew and loved is gone. This new America--nah, I won't even bother. I will say that cultural change is less likely to occur in politics, or in the academy. You're not going to get people to see how vulgar they've become through a clever argument or a nice campaign speech, that's for sure.
This would be time for the arts, broadly understood, to step in. The arts can change hearts and minds. Too bad the arts have been systematically dismantled in education in this country, and on the other end, the tech industry's assault on the arts through AI is sure to hollow out any good-faith efforts that might emerge.
And for the rest of the world, America's rightward lurch is, I'm afraid, bad news for you too. I know you know this. Because it's not isolated, is it? It's just at the moment the most prominent example of a burgeoning trend. And this will embolden others in other countries, to be sure. We need not speculate what happens when countries become mired in lies, embrace resentment, and savor bullying. We know exactly what happens. Bloody conflict and global destabilization.
The first quarter of the 21st century will therefore in hindsight be viewed as the seed-planting stage for the absolute shit show that's about to unfold globally over the next two and a half decades. Count on it.
Adopt whatever coping and endurance strategies you have available. You're going to need it.
I don't know, musk owns space, he owns starlink and a great number of the satellites orbiting the earth, he owns social media. He is potentially the most powerful man on the planet. Dr Evil shit
AIG, I think we need more than one person to lead this resistance.
I'm thinking we need a bunch of "American Navalnys." People inspired by his years-long stand against a brutal dictator. I just picked up his memoir and I hope I find some tools, and hope, in there.<<<<
Perhaps the same tool that has been leveraged against the American electorate can be turned on its head to connect with the People / resistance in Russia (and elsewhere) to mount a united global front?
Looking at the numbers has me scratching my head. And I know numbers are still coming in.
Talking heads always talked about the clown having a ceiling on support. Maybe? 2020 - 74,223,975 or 46.8% 2024 - 74,324,885 votes or 50.6% (so far).
But Biden to Harris is mind boggling. Biden in 2020 81,283,501 or 51.3%. Harris in 2024 70,400,594 votes or 47.9%.
Biden won by 7 million, Harris is losing by 4 million. But 11 million Biden voters didn't think this choice was important enough to go vote?
And to think these upcoming drastic changes to our country and the world may be the result of less than 1% of a majority of the voters?
And weren't registrations up, especially among younger voters, many female? And what happened to this great Demo ground game to get out the vote? Perplexing.
Slick. You gotta remember that those who actually run both parties are the ultra rich and they don't like to pay taxes. So, even if there was fuckery going on. The dems will let it go.
The parties may be different, but those running everything are the same.
Joe has 2 months to lock 'em all up with no penalty for him, according to SCOTUS. He should probably pack SCOTUS with 4 more justices while he's at it.
Trump is going to have a hard time for some of the stranger appointments. GOP senators Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski are already shaking their heads at some of the names.
between her 2020 run and now, tulsi has drifted pretty far away from my own positions on a variety of issues, and ive been really disappointed with her recent stances on gaza, but im pretty exited to see someone who has been so strongly opposed to regime change interventions, so opposed to mass surveillance, and so adversarial to the military industrial complex overall put into such a high level intelligence or defense post. its a pretty huge change.
yes, tulsi has been increasingly disappointing since 2020, and yes, overall the cabinet appointments are really rough, but virtually all major defense/national security positions in my lifetime have been held by a revolving cast of in-group hawks and interventionists. foreign policy/intelligence/defense related cabinet positions in the biden admin are mostly held by career militarists who championed regime change war in iraq, libya, syria, etc etc. the current director of national intelligence was one of the principle architects of obamas targeted drone strikes and worked to cover up US torture
unfortunately the rest of trumps cabinet seems to be chock full of the same kind of hawks, neocons, interventionists and zionists that have populated our defense and intelligence industries for generations. tulsi is VERY far from perfect, but i think it will be exiting to see how her tenure goes. if i had to bet, id bet that ill be disappointed, since ive been finding tulsi increasingly disappointing as time goes on, and although i occasionally hear foreign policy statements from trump i can get on board with during his campaigns, the actions he took while in office were just more of the same.
the main foreign policy stances that im aware of which tulsi takes that many on the left would take serious issue with are support for isreal and wanting to wind down aid for ukraine, and it seems like even without tulsi, the majority of trumps cabinet and trump himself are on board with those stances, and any other potential cabinet nominee will be as well, so the broad group of people who take any kind of antiwar, anti-interventionist, or anti-imperialist stances on foreign policy really only have things to gain from tulsi's appointment - her pro-isreal and anti-ukraine stances were inevitable to have in that post from the get go, but having someone who is so outspoken against things like the military industrial complex, our modern regime change wars and mass surveillance is a very big change compared to any previous administration in my lifetime and im guessing for quite some time before that.
im sure she will end up backtracking or will end up ineffective, or something like that, and we'll end up with more of the same, but at least this might be one area where there is some chance of some kind of silver lining, and at the very least it will be pretty interesting to see how her tenure goes and how she evolves over that time. at least way more interesting than matt gaetz or a fox news host.
Many of you are still in shock about what happened a week ago today. Some of you don’t even want to read a newspaper or hear the news.
I get it.
A few of you are coping with the catastrophe by minimizing or denying it. Several friends assure me that a second Trump term won’t be much different from the first and that the checks and balances in our system will continue to constrain him.
This is wishful and dangerous thinking.
Trump and his Republican lapdogs will almost certainly win the House, which means that starting January 20, they will take full control of the federal government — both chambers of Congress as well as the presidency.
The Republicans soon to be in control of Congress are more MAGA, less principled, and more intimidated by Trump than the Republicans who had control when Trump took office in 2017. There are no Liz Cheneys in the House, no Mitt Romneys in the Senate. Republican senators seeking to become the majority leader are already competing to please Trump, promising immediate confirmation of his appointments.
The Republican Party as a whole has now been effectively purged of people willing to stand up to Trump.
Trump already has effective control of the Supreme Court, a majority of whom have ruled that he (or any president) is presumptively immune from criminal liability for whatever he chooses to do.
This time, moreover, there won’t be people in the administration to stop him. Trump learned from his first term about the importance of surrounding himself with lackeys who will do whatever he wishes.
His early picks (Susie Wiles as chief of staff, Stephen Miller as deputy chief of staff, Thomas Homan as border czar, Lee Zeldin as EPA administrator, Elise Stefanik as ambassador to the U.N., and Michael Walz as national security advisor) have only one thing in common and it’s not their expertise. It’s their unblinking loyalty to Trump.
Don’t get me started about Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, who has turned his X platform into a swamp of Trump lies and propaganda, and now seems joined at the hip to Trump — appearing wherever Trump is. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a nut job.
And unlike Trump’s first term, the president-elect is now backed by a network of dangerous extremists — including those who have been imprisoned for their part in the attack on the U.S. Capitol, whom Trump has suggested he’ll pardon. They will feel emboldened to carry out what they understand to be Trump’s wishes.
Finally, also unlike before his first term, Trump has explicitly told us what he plans to do and already has people working on getting it done starting January 20: mass deportations, prosecution of his political enemies, the use of the military against U.S. citizens, the purging of the civil service across the government and substitution of Trump loyalists, and a promise to play politics with disasters.
Project 2025, which was written by more than 140 people who served under Trump the first time around, including several of his former Cabinet secretaries, explicitly calls for “abortion surveillance” and the stripping from Americans of reproductive freedom (page 455).
It also calls for jailing teachers and librarians over banned books (page 5), gutting of overtime pay rules (pages 587 and 592), and prioritizing “married men and women” over other types of families (page 489).
To enforce these attacks on our rights, Project 2025 would use the Justice Department to prosecute district attorneys Trump disagrees with, invoke the Insurrection Act to shut down protests, and mobilize red-state national guard units against blue states that resist his authoritarian agenda.
In sum, my friends, we are facing a catastrophe far worse than what occurred in Trump’s first term of office. The meager guardrails that existed then will be gone.
We must not avert our eyes from this calamity, or minimize it, or throw up our hands in despair or retreat.
We must prepare to fight it.
But how? Let me ask you: If this were Germany in 1933, what actions would you take? How different will this be from Germany in 1933?
I put this question to some of you last Wednesday during my weekly Office Hours. Forty percent said your most important goal will be to protect those in harm’s way, and 34 percent said it will be to organize and mobilize politically. Of the remainder, 9 percent said it will be to resist with civil disobedience. (Others had additional or different ideas.)
Obviously, none of these alternatives is exclusive. We must consider all, and many others.
Protecting the vulnerable and preserving our rights and liberties will require a great deal of hard work by people who believe in our Constitution, democracy, and the rule of law. The work includes:
Monitoring Trump and his government — despite the disinformation, propaganda, and lies we’ll be receiving — and disseminating the truth.
Maintaining a watch over the people and institutions we value.
Being ready to sound the alarm in our communities and networks when those people and institutions are under assault.
Organizing and mobilizing nonviolent resistance to such assaults.
Using civil disobedience wherever possible.
Litigating through state and federal courts where possible.
Speaking out against malicious lies like those that spread during the election by Elon Musk on his propaganda machine X and against vicious lies amplified on other MAGA mouthpieces.
Using our economic muscle to boycott corporations that support Trump, Musk, and other centers of MAGA power.
And much more.
It will be up to us — the American people who still cherish democracy — to protect and preserve our system of self-government.
As difficult as it is to fully accept what we are up against, the first step is to acknowledge it.
It feels like Trump is mocking the Democratic Elites with these picks. Gaetz/AG, Gabbard/Intelligence???
Hopefully they all suck so bad that the tide turns at the mid-term elections. If the DNC gets the House and Senate back, maybe they can impeach Cheetolini in the last two years of his term.
>>It feels like Trump is mocking the Democratic Elites with these picks. Gaetz/AG, Gabbard/Intelligence???
That is part of it but to me it feels more like the first of many loyalty tests for the Republicans in the Senate. All those Republican politicians who thought they would be able to keep their heads down and get by are going to be tested over and over again because they are the real danger to his authority. It's MOB organizational behavior 101.
Clearly Gov. Hochul did not get the message from the voters as she is trying to push through congestion pricing before he takes office. It would not surprise me if the next Gov. of New York is Trumpian. Voters are clearly sick of this shit
I don't know if Russian hackers played a part, but it would be nice to get further clarification about the Starlink stuff. I don't think it's beyond the pale to conceive Elon Musk and his computer experts could have manipulated stuff, IF, and that is IF, they were actually connected in or networked with some voting machines. These folks are some of the smartest on the planet with that kind of thing, but of course, Elon is totally trustworthy. Right?
I have a bit of a hard time reconciling so many Biden voters in 2020 stayed home in 2024 and with the increase in young registrations, it leaves me wondering when you see the vote totals.
As of right now....
75,984,019 votes for Felon 47
73,000,287 votes for Harris
Only a 2,983,732 (2.98 million) vote margin and the 148,984,306 total votes thus far is 6.5 million less votes in this election than in 2020.
Biden got 81,283,501 in 2020, Felon 47 got 74,223,975.
To whom it may concern, if you are bothered by the way I ended my 5:50 post, I'm sorry. The reality is I'm dismayed, discouraged, angry, and more in that vein with the appointments for the new cabinet, etc., and I have no other words that fit for me.
I hope things get better, though it's hard to see the path.
>>>>>Kind of like how the repubs get away with gerrymandering the voting districts and the dems don't even try.
Good news, Mark. Utah's "righteouslature" got their face smacked hard when the Utah State Supreme Court said their gerrymandered maps shouldn't stand as their maps totally ignored the commission set up to draw fair boundaries. The Utah Taliban is PISSED and is so disappointed by the judges.
And Judit, you can say whatever you want. Many of us are still in a state of shock.
And Trump is waiving FBI background checks on several of his more controversial appointments. Speaker Johnson is also requesting that the report from the House ethics committee on Matt Gaetz not be released.
In fact, it is not much of a mandate. While Mr. Trump won the popular vote for the first time in three tries, he garnered just 50.1 percent nationally, according to the latest tabulation by The Times, just 1.8 percentage points ahead of Vice President Kamala Harris. When the slow-counting blue giant of California finally finishes tallying its votes, that margin is likely to shrink a bit more. The Cook Report already calculates that his percentage has fallen below 50 percent, meaning he did not win a majority.
Wherever it eventually falls, Mr. Trump’s margin of victory in the national popular vote will be one of the smallest in history. Since 1888, only two other presidents who won both the Electoral College and the popular vote had smaller margins of victory: John F. Kennedy in 1960 and Richard M. Nixon in 1968. (Both Mr. Trump in 2016 and George W. Bush in 2000 won the Electoral College, and therefore the presidency, without winning the popular vote.)
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Hoping for surprises.
Hoping for surprises.
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Pretty close in Florida.
Pretty close in Florida. Trump still ahead by a couple percentage points but closer than I was expecting.
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It's going to be a long night
It's going to be a long night (I should have gotten a stronger strain, lol)
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Kamala wins Oregon!
Kamala wins Oregon!
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Stronger strains attained,
Stronger strains attained, now to watch the country go down the drain... or do we get to say Madame President for the first time in history???
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Here's a diversion to keep
Here's a diversion to keep you entertained while waiting results
Cabinet w/ Billy Strings - Barley's Knoxville, TN 2016-06-10 Set Two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK9Kr31rULw
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Is owning a Kangaroo legal in
Is owning a Kangaroo legal in your state?
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DId you pick up some
DId you pick up some Australian Thunderfuck, Noodler?
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I wish I did, though I hear
I wish I did, though I hear the side effects can be freaky styley
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Florida - where weed and
Florida - where weed and abortion remain illegal.
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Is this real?
Is this real?
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This is horrifying
This is horrifying
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Smug bastard.
Smug bastard.
I haven't seen real results but those of you who are alluding to a frighteningly bad outcome, I'm sorry for all of us. There's a lot of work ahead to protect everyone who will be endangered.
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"In any given situation there
"In any given situation there will always be more dumb people than smart people. We ain't many!"
KK
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06CjWMm-BEA
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Republicans won the Senate.
Republicans won the Senate.
Make sure passports are up to date!
You may want to leave the country.
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Republicans won the Senate.
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What the actual fuck??!
What the actual fuck??!
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It's a dark time I do believe
It's a dark time I do believe
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Horrifically saddened this
Horrifically saddened this morning.
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Completely unsurprised
Completely unsurprised
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In the battle between good
In the battle between good and evil, sometimes the bad guy wins. When that happens, those of us who oppose evil must redouble our efforts to ensure that good remains.
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Unsurprised as well. The
Unsurprised as well. Half of adult Americans not being intelligent or kind shouldn't be a shock to anyone. Sorry, ladies.
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WTF.
WTF.
Can half the country really be that stupid?
If there was a place to go I'd go there.
I'm glad I'm old and don't have to live in this world for much longer.
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FUCK!!!!!!!
FUCK!!!!!!!
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>>>Can half the country
>>>Can half the country really be that stupid?
What's not to believe? Never underestimate the power of stupid people. Racists don't like their money to be fucked with, and people who believe a pregnant woman should succumb to jesus, is exactly what dump pandered to. That's what half the country is right now. Believe it.
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Oligarchs and Russia will now
Oligarchs and Russia will now own the USA. Say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, Public Education, Women's rights, Civil Rights, NATO, and free and fair elections. Sad day for America.. and the World, especially Ukrainians. Anyone who spoke poorly about our new Dictator. Union workers who voted for Trump will see all worker protections eliminated too. Fools and suckers.
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So is New York going to issue
So is New York going to issue an arrest warrant for the creep?
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He has a sentencing hearing
He has a sentencing hearing on the fraud case in NY in about three weeks. Why would they arrest him now?
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Ship Of Fools
Ship Of Fools
Lyrics: Robert Hunter
Music: Jerry Garcia
Went to see the captain, strangest I could find
Laid my proposition down, laid it on the line (note 5)
I won't slave for beggar's pay, likewise gold and jewels
But I would slave to learn the way to sink your ship of fools
Chorus
Ship of fools on a cruel sea
Ship of fools sail away from me
It was later than I thought when I first believed you (note 1)
But now I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools (note 4)
Saw your first ship sink and drown from rocking of the boat
And all that could not sink or swim was just left there to float (note 6)
I won't leave you drifting down but whoa it makes me wild
With thirty years upon my head to have you call me child (note 2)
[chorus]
The bottles stand as empty now, as they were filled before
Time there was and plenty, but from that cup no more
Though I could not caution all, I still might warn a few (note 3)
Don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools
[chorus]
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I'm flying my flag at half
I'm flying my flag at half-mast...
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I am so utterly fucking
I am so utterly fucking disgusted right now.
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>>>Why would they arrest him
>>>Why would they arrest him now?
After the sentencing. Do you think the guy is actually going to show up?
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Will Putin attend the
Will Putin attend the inauguration?
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Run To The Hills!
Run To The Hills!
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Horrifically saddened this
Horrifically saddened this morning. <<<
me too ...........
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Someone posted this on
Someone posted this on twitter today, claiming Demo numbers aren't jiving with what ought to be. "20 million missing votes?"
We'll have to see how they add up after ALL the votes are counted but they're screaming "do not concede"
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Still lots of votes to be
Still lots of votes to be counted in California which will add to the total numbers. Maybe not enough to get the popular vote though.
Most Trumpiest state in the US turns out to be Wyoming with the creep bringing in 72% of the vote. Least Trumpiest is Vermont, where he only got 33%.
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I saw those numbers earlier,
I saw those numbers earlier, and they don't make a lot of sense. Are there around 15 million votes (overseas, absentee, astronauts on the space shuttle, etc.) still to be counted? If the numbers are correct, turn-out overall was down 11%, with Republicans down 3% and Democrats down 18%.
2024
R: 71,766,277
D: 66,885,279
Total: 138,651,556
2020
D: 81,283,501
R: 74,223,975
Total: 155,507,476
Change
R: -2,457,698 (-3%)
D: -14,398,222 (-18%)
Total: -16,855,920 (-11%)
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Another eight million votes
Another eight million votes to be counted in Calfiornia. That will cut into the missing numbers right there. There are also another three million votes or so to be counted in Washington, Oregon, and Arizona.
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With around 11 million votes
With around 11 million votes still to be counted in CA, WA, OR, and AZ it sounds like Harris could still win the popular vote.
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Strange shit today
Strange shit today
In my 66% Trump voting county, All the yard signs, flags and car garb is missing. The 30+ Trump homes I pass each morning are null and void of their shit. I drove 30+ miles today all around neighborhoods in Martin County with work and I see it all around. A few scattered here and there at the most.
Did the left go out and steal em all last night? Or did people wake up like after a bad 1 night stand and want to get rid of their embarrassing evidence.
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we can thank the DNC and
we can thank the DNC and their policies going back to Clinton which only enriched wall st. and fucked over everyone else. this shit has been in motion at least as long as that....the dems let the working class voter get co-opted.
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Bernie was reelected in a
Bernie was reelected in a landslide. Some small comfort that he will still be in the Senate.
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Phil
Phil
Now this
How can each year since 2016 keep getting progressively worse?
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At least Andy fucken Kim won
At least Andy fucken Kim won
Then again nothing matters anymore. So here we are
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And the House is still up for
And the House is still up for grabs.
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>>Bernie was reelected in a
>>Bernie was reelected in a landslide. Some small comfort that he will still be in the Senate.
lol, I wrote in a friend's name. I couldn't bring myself to vote for the angry, old white guy again. Fucking guy is going to be 89 in 6 years!
There were a few names on the ballot under his, but not one of them mounted any sort of challenge, like not one TV ad.
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coming soon to a theter near
coming soon to a theater near you...
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.
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how dump is seen by his
how dump is seen by his loyalists.....we are officially here.
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It's Mueller time!
It's Mueller time!
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I've been optimistically
I've been optimistically disillusioned for most of my life.
That is no longer true.
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It's official, the US is now
It's official, the US is now a total, absilute undeiable shithole country
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Words from writer Terry
Words from writer Terry Tempest Williams.
Believe the words we can’t bare to hear.. Today is a day to feel our losses, deeply. This is it its own form of resistance — to feel — This is not despair, this is grief —. and grief demands our presence. It moves with us, through us. This is what it feels like to care and to love all that is vulnerable and at risk. This, too, is what Democracy looks like— to believe, to enlist our courage with a sustained focus toward justice for all; to continue to do the work that is ours. It is never over. We are here for the duration — the long view in the desert is the seedbed of inspiration. The revolution is ours, it isn’t what we thought it would be — but transformation comes in unexpected forms. We will meet this moment with the gifts that are ours — and we will take care of each other — and not look away — This is not the end, nor the beginning, it is the truth of our lives. Our power lies in our capacity to keep loving and engaging with this beautiful, broken world. We can no longer look for leadership beyond ourselves. If we are present. we will know what to do. By your side. One day at a time. Here.
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I feel like half the country
I feel like half the country knowingly ordered smallpox blankets. ...
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King Gizzard rave tonight.
King Gizzard rave tonight.
couldn't get tix.
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Charlie Sykes with some words
Charlie Sykes with some words...https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/donald-trump-wins-kamala-har...
Trump defeats Harris to secure a second term. Here's what comes next. The fights ahead will be even tougher than the ones we’ve already experienced.
To your point, Trailhead, from Mr. Sykes.....
"This is perhaps the hardest part about today: realizing that our fellow Americans saw all of that; watched all of that; listened to all of that, and still said, “Yes, that’s what we want.” That’s who we are.
The whole world is watching. And that’s what they are seeing.
We can change that, of course, because this isn’t the final chapter. But the fight will be long and even harder now that we have been stripped of so many of our illusions."
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I believe we have found the
I believe we have found the lowest common denominator. Let's hope so anyway.
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Phil probably looked 10 days
Phil probably looked 10 days into the future and immediately keeled over.
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Klondike, my brother texted
Klondike, my brother texted me this morning asking how I was.
The only thing I replied was that exact quote, nothing else....
It was the most appropriate response I could possibly think of.....
And Dabreeze, that is very funny, in a terribly sad way....
As usual, glad you all are here for yet another dark time....
But you know what Bob H said....
We Will Get By
We Will Survive
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>>>>>>Phil probably looked 10
>>>>>>Phil probably looked 10 days into the future and immediately keeled over.
Phil was always the master of time.
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Here ya go, Astro, to your
Here ya go, Astro, to your point
.....
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https://wagingnonviolence.org
https://wagingnonviolence.org/2024/11/10-things-to-do-if-trump-wins/
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We need a Che.
We need a Che.
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That covers it Slick.
That covers it Slick.
The deplorables now have the their hands on the joystick.
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Thanks for that link, Nancy.
Thanks for that link, Nancy. I perused the article and will go back to read it through. Looks interesting.
AIG, I think we need more than one person to lead this resistance.
I'm thinking we need a bunch of "American Navalnys." People inspired by his years-long stand against a brutal dictator. I just picked up his memoir and I hope I find some tools, and hope, in there.
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one - cant give up
one - cant give up
two - i am unplugging from the national news and listening to more music and watching more cartoons
THREE - and this is the important thing = America did this to itself and the brutality and mass deportations and all these promises are gonna affect them too...in ways they never imagined
FOUR - make your major purchases now or before next January when we revert to post WWI isolationist foreign policies and tariff / trade wars wars start ...so, whats gonna be worse ? History has shown us the results of this idiocy...
encourage your draft age or soon to be draft age kids to go to college in Europe
One way or another, one way or another, one way or another, this darkness got to give
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Yeah Ripple, I'm thinking
Yeah Ripple, I'm thinking about ending a couple of subscriptions for nat'l news. Gotta regroup with a clear head.
On the positive side, the idea our elections are not valid and rigged seems to have dissipated magically. Can we get past that nonsense finally and have restored faith in our elections? I'm trying to believe in the long game, and it took four years, but their theories and bullshit are now nowhere to be seen, rendering their validity suspect forever. Now they need to realize they were barking bullshit.
And I wonder if now that there's absolute power by one side, when the policies they enact fail, there will be no one else to blame, and maybe the magic and promises of the narcissist will be proven to be bullshit and the failure of these policies will send the clown to the dustbin of history as a failure and a unknowledgeable fraud.
Just wondering. Moving on.......
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Biden is POTUS and has
Biden is POTUS and has immunity, yes?
Let The Dark Brandon begin............
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Biden is POTUS and has
Biden is POTUS and has immunity, yes?
Let The Dark Brandon begin............
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When a clown moves into a
When a clown moves into a palace he does not become a king.
The palace becomes a circus.
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Trump's likely AG, when asked
Trump's likely AG, when asked about Democrats:
“Here’s my current mood,” Davis wrote on X Wednesday morning. “I want to drag their dead political bodies through the streets, burn them, and throw them off the wall. (Legally, politically, and financially, of course.)“
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The one who scares me is musk
The one who scares me is musk.
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They're all dangerous.
They're all dangerous.
just saw this depressing essay posted elsewhere
“The pundit class is already trying to dissect where Kamala Harris’s campaign went wrong and how the Democrats could have lost this election. I’m not engaging with that conversation. Harris didn’t underperform. Authoritarianism overperformed. Ignorance overperformed. Misogyny and xenophobia and Christian nationalism and tribalism overperformed. And before we start lamenting about how this could have happened, maybe it’s time to admit that this is actually who we are. Trump is and has always been who we are. He represents America’s darkest truth—that selfishness, greed, classism, authoritarianism, and fear of the other have always resonated with far too many Americans. Every era in our history proves that to be true—from the enslavement of Africans, to Puritan intolerance of women, to the genocide of Native Americans, to the Chinese Exclusion Act, to the eugenics movement, to Jim Crow laws, to our refusal to admit Jewish refugees during the Holocaust, to our imprisonment of Japanese Americans during WWII, to the American Nazi movement. This is ALWAYS who we’ve been. We celebrate ourselves for our democracy and our highest ideals—and we should, because even in our most shameful periods, America represents the possibility of an unprecedented hope. But in our self-congratulations, we unfortunately pretend the darker sides of ourselves and our history either never existed or that we’ve moved beyond them. Except we haven’t moved beyond them. Trump is all of our worst traits and disgraceful histories combined into one person, and we need to acknowledge that this sadly appeals to many, many people.
For so long, we’ve tried to understand Trump voters as if they were voting for him despite his worst qualities. We can’t afford to think like that. We need to finally admit that they vote for him with their eyes wide open, and they like what they see. They like his mean-spiritedness. They like his dictatorial nature. They like his demonization of immigrants. They like his abuse of women. They like his crassness and his dishonorable rhetoric. They like that he promises to hurt people and seek revenge. They like his nonsensical positions. And even if they cringe at those things, they are willing to go along with them. None of those things are dealbreakers, and that is every bit as disgraceful as openly celebrating them
And that’s why I’m so distraught today. Not because Trump won, but because decency lost. Again. Our history repeated itself. Again. And when the dust finally settles, we will have learned nothing. Again." -Louise Knott Ahern
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Vance will hire a better
Vance will hire a better assassin. Just you wait ...
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From Harvard ethics professor
From Harvard ethics professor Christopher Robichaud:
“Everyone in the days and weeks ahead will use this loss as an opportunity to seek validation for their own hobby horse complaint. Harris lost because she campaigned with Liz Cheney. Harris lost because she didn't embrace Gaza. Harris lost because she didn't choose Shapiro. Harris lost because she wasn't progressive enough (possibly my favorite one).
Take a good hard look at the map, my friends. Trump has won the popular vote. Trump ran the table. Explaining that with your hobby horse issue isn't going to cut it, tempting and consoling as it may be.
The problem isn't the electoral college. The problem isn't that we didn't have a full primary. The problem isn't Harris. The problem isn't that Dems didn't have the right message. The problem isn't even inflation or the border.
The problem is so much worse than any of those things. Those are all technical problems, with straightforward expertise fixes. If only it were so! No, our problem is not technical. It's very much adaptive. A party that embraced the Big Lie, supported an insurrection, and has been selling conspiracy-addled madness for years was widely and enthusiastically embraced. Voter turnout was profound! People didn't sit this out.
Simply put, the problem--as some of you have rightly posted--is cultural. America, culturally, has completely abandoned a politics of decency and respect and has embraced instead a politics of resentment, revenge, false nostalgia, and bullying. And if you look at the demographics, you also won't be able to comfort yourself that it's just a white thing, or a working class thing, or an education thing. It's multi-class, multi-gender, multi-educational and multi-racial. That's what winning the popular vote means. That's what running the table amounts to.
A culture that has descended to this level of debasement is not easily fixed. In fact it may not ever be fixed. The timeline for changing something like this is decades--at best--not two-to-four year election cycles. You can extend that in this case, because with the GOP likely controlling all branches of federal government and the courts, they will ensure that mechanisms are in place to keep them in power long after their popularity has waned. You can count on that.
The GOP evolved into a party of rage, lies, and revenge--and it correctly diagnosed that there was and is a large appetite for that. That's what the country wants. At least, enough of the country wants it to ensure broad appeal and widespread electoral success. The old GOP will never return, and the Dems have nothing to say to American culture at the moment. Nothing. They've been speaking to a country that's gone, like dust in the wind.
And that's my final thought, which my posts last night alluded to. The America I knew and loved is gone. This new America--nah, I won't even bother. I will say that cultural change is less likely to occur in politics, or in the academy. You're not going to get people to see how vulgar they've become through a clever argument or a nice campaign speech, that's for sure.
This would be time for the arts, broadly understood, to step in. The arts can change hearts and minds. Too bad the arts have been systematically dismantled in education in this country, and on the other end, the tech industry's assault on the arts through AI is sure to hollow out any good-faith efforts that might emerge.
And for the rest of the world, America's rightward lurch is, I'm afraid, bad news for you too. I know you know this. Because it's not isolated, is it? It's just at the moment the most prominent example of a burgeoning trend. And this will embolden others in other countries, to be sure. We need not speculate what happens when countries become mired in lies, embrace resentment, and savor bullying. We know exactly what happens. Bloody conflict and global destabilization.
The first quarter of the 21st century will therefore in hindsight be viewed as the seed-planting stage for the absolute shit show that's about to unfold globally over the next two and a half decades. Count on it.
Adopt whatever coping and endurance strategies you have available. You're going to need it.
I think that's all I've left to say.”
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I don't know, musk owns space
I don't know, musk owns space, he owns starlink and a great number of the satellites orbiting the earth, he owns social media. He is potentially the most powerful man on the planet. Dr Evil shit
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Maybe musk's trans daughter
Maybe musk's trans daughter will slip a knife in his ribs.
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(((Trump is all of our worst
(((Trump is all of our worst traits and disgraceful histories combined into one person)))
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Pink Floyd's Run Like Hell
Pink Floyd's Run Like Hell from The Wall movie:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qDPRWQd2TE4&pp=ygUUUGluayBmbG95ZCBydW4gbGl...
Hope this isn't a vision of what's coming. Mass deportations sounds ugly.
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Lack of education.....big
Lack of education.....big problem.
Hypocrisy....big problem. (Doesn't Kentucky get more federal funding, yet they're against socialism?!?)
America: guns, gas and god.
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AIG, I think we need more
AIG, I think we need more than one person to lead this resistance.
I'm thinking we need a bunch of "American Navalnys." People inspired by his years-long stand against a brutal dictator. I just picked up his memoir and I hope I find some tools, and hope, in there.<<<<
Perhaps the same tool that has been leveraged against the American electorate can be turned on its head to connect with the People / resistance in Russia (and elsewhere) to mount a united global front?
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I think it's David Bowies
I think it's David Bowies fault. Everything went to shit when he died
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> I think it's ____________
> I think it's ____________ fault. Everything went to shit when he died
There are so many names I could fill in that blank with. Kurt Vonnegut, George Carlin, and John Lennon to name a few.
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Biden's got immunity
Biden's got immunity according to SCOTUS.
Send all the evil ones to Gitmo on a one-way ticket yeah.
There'll be some riots, but they won't last forever.
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Exactly. Activate Dark
Exactly. Activate Dark Brandon
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I forgot to mention our one
I forgot to mention our one little bright spot.
Shomari Figures decisively defeated Trump heifer Caroleene Dobson by an over ten percent margin.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/shomari-figures-alabama-majority-bla...
His mother, Vivian Figures, is my rep in the AL Senate.
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Calling Seal Team 6!
Calling Seal Team 6!
Looking at the numbers has me scratching my head. And I know numbers are still coming in.
Talking heads always talked about the clown having a ceiling on support. Maybe? 2020 - 74,223,975 or 46.8% 2024 - 74,324,885 votes or 50.6% (so far).
But Biden to Harris is mind boggling. Biden in 2020 81,283,501 or 51.3%. Harris in 2024 70,400,594 votes or 47.9%.
Biden won by 7 million, Harris is losing by 4 million. But 11 million Biden voters didn't think this choice was important enough to go vote?
And to think these upcoming drastic changes to our country and the world may be the result of less than 1% of a majority of the voters?
And weren't registrations up, especially among younger voters, many female? And what happened to this great Demo ground game to get out the vote? Perplexing.
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Slick. You gotta remember
Slick. You gotta remember that those who actually run both parties are the ultra rich and they don't like to pay taxes. So, even if there was fuckery going on. The dems will let it go.
The parties may be different, but those running everything are the same.
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Who is the leader of the
Who is the leader of the democrat party now?
(no, not a trick question)
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Not saying there WAS "fuckery
Not saying there WAS "fuckery" going on (but wouldn't be surprised - "we have the votes") but 11 million Demos staying home? Plus new registrations?
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Pretty sure there was fuckery
Pretty sure there was fuckery going on. Seems pretty obvious.
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>>>>Who is the leader of the
>>>>Who is the leader of the democrat party now?<<<<
Andy Beshear
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> Who is the leader of the
> Who is the leader of the democrat party now?
Did Taylor Swift resign?
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Lotta good she did.....
Lotta good she did.....
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At least we still control the
At least we still control the weather....
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And the space lasers.
And the space lasers.
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I got an idea. We have a
I got an idea. We have a country half filled with racist and misogynist morons. Lets nominate a black woman.
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Tulsi Gabbard Director of
Tulsi Gabbard Director of National Intelligence
Matt Gaetz as Attorney General
Pete Hegseth for Secretary of Defense
A clean sweep for Putin.
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Jfc
Jfc
This space is getting hot
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Joe has 2 months to lock 'em
Joe has 2 months to lock 'em all up with no penalty for him, according to SCOTUS. He should probably pack SCOTUS with 4 more justices while he's at it.
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Trump is going ot have a hard
Trump is going to have a hard time for some of the stranger appointments. GOP senators Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski are already shaking their heads at some of the names.
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between her 2020 run and now,
between her 2020 run and now, tulsi has drifted pretty far away from my own positions on a variety of issues, and ive been really disappointed with her recent stances on gaza, but im pretty exited to see someone who has been so strongly opposed to regime change interventions, so opposed to mass surveillance, and so adversarial to the military industrial complex overall put into such a high level intelligence or defense post. its a pretty huge change.
yes, tulsi has been increasingly disappointing since 2020, and yes, overall the cabinet appointments are really rough, but virtually all major defense/national security positions in my lifetime have been held by a revolving cast of in-group hawks and interventionists. foreign policy/intelligence/defense related cabinet positions in the biden admin are mostly held by career militarists who championed regime change war in iraq, libya, syria, etc etc. the current director of national intelligence was one of the principle architects of obamas targeted drone strikes and worked to cover up US torture
https://www.salon.com/2020/12/30/bidens-pick-for-intelligence-chief-avri...
unfortunately the rest of trumps cabinet seems to be chock full of the same kind of hawks, neocons, interventionists and zionists that have populated our defense and intelligence industries for generations. tulsi is VERY far from perfect, but i think it will be exiting to see how her tenure goes. if i had to bet, id bet that ill be disappointed, since ive been finding tulsi increasingly disappointing as time goes on, and although i occasionally hear foreign policy statements from trump i can get on board with during his campaigns, the actions he took while in office were just more of the same.
the main foreign policy stances that im aware of which tulsi takes that many on the left would take serious issue with are support for isreal and wanting to wind down aid for ukraine, and it seems like even without tulsi, the majority of trumps cabinet and trump himself are on board with those stances, and any other potential cabinet nominee will be as well, so the broad group of people who take any kind of antiwar, anti-interventionist, or anti-imperialist stances on foreign policy really only have things to gain from tulsi's appointment - her pro-isreal and anti-ukraine stances were inevitable to have in that post from the get go, but having someone who is so outspoken against things like the military industrial complex, our modern regime change wars and mass surveillance is a very big change compared to any previous administration in my lifetime and im guessing for quite some time before that.
im sure she will end up backtracking or will end up ineffective, or something like that, and we'll end up with more of the same, but at least this might be one area where there is some chance of some kind of silver lining, and at the very least it will be pretty interesting to see how her tenure goes and how she evolves over that time. at least way more interesting than matt gaetz or a fox news host.
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Susan and Lisa are good at
Susan and Lisa are good at shaking their heads and then giving into Trump
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Robert Reich's thoughts
Robert Reich's thoughts provide little comfort:
Friends,
Many of you are still in shock about what happened a week ago today. Some of you don’t even want to read a newspaper or hear the news.
I get it.
A few of you are coping with the catastrophe by minimizing or denying it. Several friends assure me that a second Trump term won’t be much different from the first and that the checks and balances in our system will continue to constrain him.
This is wishful and dangerous thinking.
Trump and his Republican lapdogs will almost certainly win the House, which means that starting January 20, they will take full control of the federal government — both chambers of Congress as well as the presidency.
The Republicans soon to be in control of Congress are more MAGA, less principled, and more intimidated by Trump than the Republicans who had control when Trump took office in 2017. There are no Liz Cheneys in the House, no Mitt Romneys in the Senate. Republican senators seeking to become the majority leader are already competing to please Trump, promising immediate confirmation of his appointments.
The Republican Party as a whole has now been effectively purged of people willing to stand up to Trump.
Trump already has effective control of the Supreme Court, a majority of whom have ruled that he (or any president) is presumptively immune from criminal liability for whatever he chooses to do.
This time, moreover, there won’t be people in the administration to stop him. Trump learned from his first term about the importance of surrounding himself with lackeys who will do whatever he wishes.
His early picks (Susie Wiles as chief of staff, Stephen Miller as deputy chief of staff, Thomas Homan as border czar, Lee Zeldin as EPA administrator, Elise Stefanik as ambassador to the U.N., and Michael Walz as national security advisor) have only one thing in common and it’s not their expertise. It’s their unblinking loyalty to Trump.
Don’t get me started about Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, who has turned his X platform into a swamp of Trump lies and propaganda, and now seems joined at the hip to Trump — appearing wherever Trump is. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a nut job.
And unlike Trump’s first term, the president-elect is now backed by a network of dangerous extremists — including those who have been imprisoned for their part in the attack on the U.S. Capitol, whom Trump has suggested he’ll pardon. They will feel emboldened to carry out what they understand to be Trump’s wishes.
Finally, also unlike before his first term, Trump has explicitly told us what he plans to do and already has people working on getting it done starting January 20: mass deportations, prosecution of his political enemies, the use of the military against U.S. citizens, the purging of the civil service across the government and substitution of Trump loyalists, and a promise to play politics with disasters.
Project 2025, which was written by more than 140 people who served under Trump the first time around, including several of his former Cabinet secretaries, explicitly calls for “abortion surveillance” and the stripping from Americans of reproductive freedom (page 455).
It also calls for jailing teachers and librarians over banned books (page 5), gutting of overtime pay rules (pages 587 and 592), and prioritizing “married men and women” over other types of families (page 489).
To enforce these attacks on our rights, Project 2025 would use the Justice Department to prosecute district attorneys Trump disagrees with, invoke the Insurrection Act to shut down protests, and mobilize red-state national guard units against blue states that resist his authoritarian agenda.
In sum, my friends, we are facing a catastrophe far worse than what occurred in Trump’s first term of office. The meager guardrails that existed then will be gone.
We must not avert our eyes from this calamity, or minimize it, or throw up our hands in despair or retreat.
We must prepare to fight it.
But how? Let me ask you: If this were Germany in 1933, what actions would you take? How different will this be from Germany in 1933?
I put this question to some of you last Wednesday during my weekly Office Hours. Forty percent said your most important goal will be to protect those in harm’s way, and 34 percent said it will be to organize and mobilize politically. Of the remainder, 9 percent said it will be to resist with civil disobedience. (Others had additional or different ideas.)
Obviously, none of these alternatives is exclusive. We must consider all, and many others.
Protecting the vulnerable and preserving our rights and liberties will require a great deal of hard work by people who believe in our Constitution, democracy, and the rule of law. The work includes:
Monitoring Trump and his government — despite the disinformation, propaganda, and lies we’ll be receiving — and disseminating the truth.
Maintaining a watch over the people and institutions we value.
Being ready to sound the alarm in our communities and networks when those people and institutions are under assault.
Organizing and mobilizing nonviolent resistance to such assaults.
Using civil disobedience wherever possible.
Litigating through state and federal courts where possible.
Speaking out against malicious lies like those that spread during the election by Elon Musk on his propaganda machine X and against vicious lies amplified on other MAGA mouthpieces.
Using our economic muscle to boycott corporations that support Trump, Musk, and other centers of MAGA power.
And much more.
It will be up to us — the American people who still cherish democracy — to protect and preserve our system of self-government.
As difficult as it is to fully accept what we are up against, the first step is to acknowledge it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD
You are joking, right? She
You are joking, right?(Daylight) She and trump fight over who gets to suck putins dick.
high level intelligence or defense post Sure. Why not just say putin is secretary of state in absentia or some shit.
Ukraine is toast.
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The CIA needs to deal with
The CIA needs to deal with this before January 20th.
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No shit. Dark Brandon is
No shit. Dark Brandon is going to roll over, sadly
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Trump probably already sold
Trump probably already sold Alaska to Putin
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It feels like Trump is
It feels like Trump is mocking the Democratic Elites with these picks. Gaetz/AG, Gabbard/Intelligence???
Hopefully they all suck so bad that the tide turns at the mid-term elections. If the DNC gets the House and Senate back, maybe they can impeach Cheetolini in the last two years of his term.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness
Trolling for liberal tears in
Trolling for liberal tears in the rage economy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
>>It feels like Trump is
>>It feels like Trump is mocking the Democratic Elites with these picks. Gaetz/AG, Gabbard/Intelligence???
That is part of it but to me it feels more like the first of many loyalty tests for the Republicans in the Senate. All those Republican politicians who thought they would be able to keep their heads down and get by are going to be tested over and over again because they are the real danger to his authority. It's MOB organizational behavior 101.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: BlackPeter
Clearly Gov. Hochul did not
Clearly Gov. Hochul did not get the message from the voters as she is trying to push through congestion pricing before he takes office. It would not surprise me if the next Gov. of New York is Trumpian. Voters are clearly sick of this shit
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Am I the only one who
Am I the only one who believes Trump stole the election with the help of Russian hackers?
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He didn't need the Russians,
He didn't need the Russians, had enough help from 'the enemy within'
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
Am I the only one who
no there are a bunch of other idiot facebook boomers who also believe that
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
I don't know if Russian
I don't know if Russian hackers played a part, but it would be nice to get further clarification about the Starlink stuff. I don't think it's beyond the pale to conceive Elon Musk and his computer experts could have manipulated stuff, IF, and that is IF, they were actually connected in or networked with some voting machines. These folks are some of the smartest on the planet with that kind of thing, but of course, Elon is totally trustworthy. Right?
I have a bit of a hard time reconciling so many Biden voters in 2020 stayed home in 2024 and with the increase in young registrations, it leaves me wondering when you see the vote totals.
As of right now....
75,984,019 votes for Felon 47
73,000,287 votes for Harris
Only a 2,983,732 (2.98 million) vote margin and the 148,984,306 total votes thus far is 6.5 million less votes in this election than in 2020.
Biden got 81,283,501 in 2020, Felon 47 got 74,223,975.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD
If it was manipulated, it won
If it was manipulated, it won't matter. Powers that be won't let the dems protest.
Kind of like how the repubs get away with gerrymandering the voting districts and the dems don't even try.
It's all good theater though. Soon they will stop pretending.
So it goes.
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Anybody know offhand the
Anybody know offhand the requisite number of successive what ifs before something becomes a conspiracy theory?
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Each new appointee is more
Each new appointee is more demoralizing. Anti-vacc, worm in brain, bear in park RFK Jr for Health? Jesus fuck.
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If You Are An ABSOLUTE
If You Are An ABSOLUTE FUCKING FREAK I Want You In My Cabinet ~ Donald J Trump.
disgusting
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To whom it may concern, if
To whom it may concern, if you are bothered by the way I ended my 5:50 post, I'm sorry. The reality is I'm dismayed, discouraged, angry, and more in that vein with the appointments for the new cabinet, etc., and I have no other words that fit for me.
I hope things get better, though it's hard to see the path.
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>>>>>Kind of like how the
>>>>>Kind of like how the repubs get away with gerrymandering the voting districts and the dems don't even try.
Good news, Mark. Utah's "righteouslature" got their face smacked hard when the Utah State Supreme Court said their gerrymandered maps shouldn't stand as their maps totally ignored the commission set up to draw fair boundaries. The Utah Taliban is PISSED and is so disappointed by the judges.
And Judit, you can say whatever you want. Many of us are still in a state of shock.
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> We must prepare to fight it
> We must prepare to fight it.
I wonder what the chances are of NATO joining the fight.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
And Trump is waiving FBI
And Trump is waiving FBI background checks on several of his more controversial appointments. Speaker Johnson is also requesting that the report from the House ethics committee on Matt Gaetz not be released.
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And It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad
And It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD
Slick, it's good to know all
Slick, it's good to know all judges aren't corrupted. And in Utah. Maybe there is hope.
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After reading about how small
After reading about how small DT's winning margin is, I've changed my mind about him rigging the election
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/politics/trump-signals-a-seismic-shift-shocking-the-washington-establishment.html
In fact, it is not much of a mandate. While Mr. Trump won the popular vote for the first time in three tries, he garnered just 50.1 percent nationally, according to the latest tabulation by The Times, just 1.8 percentage points ahead of Vice President Kamala Harris. When the slow-counting blue giant of California finally finishes tallying its votes, that margin is likely to shrink a bit more. The Cook Report already calculates that his percentage has fallen below 50 percent, meaning he did not win a majority.
Wherever it eventually falls, Mr. Trump’s margin of victory in the national popular vote will be one of the smallest in history. Since 1888, only two other presidents who won both the Electoral College and the popular vote had smaller margins of victory: John F. Kennedy in 1960 and Richard M. Nixon in 1968. (Both Mr. Trump in 2016 and George W. Bush in 2000 won the Electoral College, and therefore the presidency, without winning the popular vote.)