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top 5 fortune 500 co...everyone needs healthcare eventually

Interesting to see how quickly they catch this guy.  Not much to go after with a hoodie in NY.

Some casings, some shoes.  Unless he was a dumb ass with the ebike.  

NYC has cameras everywhere. They should start with wherever Brian was or what "services" he procured the previous night. 

Anarchist? Radical Marxist? Disgruntled employee? Mafia hit?  Someone denied coverage?

Pretty wild whatever the perp's motives were.

> Someone denied coverage?

That's what I'm thinking.

I wish Frank Zappa were still alive to write a song about this

Wonder if gunshot wounds are considered a pre-existing condition?

It's a good start.

Definitely too soon to talk about gun violence

When your entire house is built on the actual physical and emotional suffering of others, it's only natural to expect at some point that suffering to be repaid.

It's economics 101.

>>>>Someone denied coverage?

Or as likely, someone who had a loved one who died directly as a result from being denied coverage. 

There were 2 medical systems operating in Eugene, the Catholic one (Peace Health) and Oregon Medical Group. Peace Health used to be a caring group of people and facilities til maybe 15-20 years ago when they changed to a money model. They would say they're not, but they are. They have the reigning hospital and other facilities. Oregon Medical Group was a group of offices and providers, no hospital, unaffiliated with the Peace Health system.

Oregon Medical Group sold to United Healthcare 2 or 3 years ago. Most docs left the group, with non-compete clauses, and the majority of their patients were without providers. Peace Health was flooded with new patient requests and slowly assimilated some of them, but a lot of people have flailed around without a PCP or care they should have had. The emergency department got busier, things are still slow. United Healthcare is blamed for most of the logistical problems and errors around here. So, lots of people here saw the CEO as evil.

There is another hospital with a better situation for an Emergency Department and diagnostic tools/machines (Mckenzie-Willamette); they have excellent communication with the big Peace Health, and most patients needing more than triage end up going there. 

My PCP is independent, board certified in Family Practice, Hospice and Palliative Care. He's great, and takes care of his patients, but I also have to see some 'corporate' affiliated docs like my oncologist and occasional others. I bristle each time I have to see one of them. I am still alive.

i love ai

The all-out for-profit health care industry combined with the ability of pharma companies to advertise directly to consumers, is probably the most significant miscarriage the United States has created.

The best avenue many people should pursue is to take personal well being into their own hands by being as healthy as possible, along the tucking money into a savings account for any health related issues. The model of paying ridiculous premiums + ridiculous deductibles is just broken. 

Tax the rich - free health care for all.

> The all-out for-profit health care industry

I recently learned that there's something called concierge care, which is when a doctor or group of doctors charges you a membership fee before they'll see you or accept you into their practice.

And yesterday I read that BCBS has decided that they're not going to pay the full amount for anesthesia if a surgery or procedure goes longer than expected in Connecticut, New York and Missouri.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/anthem-insurance-cap-anesthesi...

"Deny," "defend" and "depose" were written on the live rounds and shell casings discovered at the scene of Wednesday morning's shooting - which detectives interpret as a possible message from the suspect.

https://abc7ny.com/post/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shot-brian-thompson-killed-...

I deal with insurance companies a lot and delay, deny, and defend is indeed the mantra.   Interesting how the assassin also used the word "depose" as in taking someone's deposition as part of a lawsuit.  That suggests someone was involved in litigation with the company and wasn't happy with the outcome or otherwise felt bullied by the process.

> Interesting how the assassin also used the word "depose" as in taking someone's deposition 

That's one meaning of "depose". Another meaning is "remove from office suddenly and forcefully" as in "he had been deposed by a military coup".

Back when I was a software guy I applied for a job with Health Net insurance company in San Rafael.  Went to their offices for an interview and had a bit of trouble finding the address amid the faceless steel and glass office buildings off Francisco Blvd. by the bridge.  Had to double back and finally found the address/building.  No signs identifying any tenant(s).  Walked into the 3 story atrium.  Still no signage, no directory, no people, just a white board on an easel with "Health Net" hand-written on it, and an arrow pointing up the open stairway.  The landing at the top of the stairs led to 2 doors, each having a small wire-crossed security window, an intercom, and a black camera bubble above.  I chose one door and tried the intercom, announcing my name and who I was there to meet.  I got buzzed in, and entered a tiny room with another camera bubble above, a single desk, and a uniformed security guard at the desk.  He told me the interviewer was on his way to get me, so I stood there for a minute or two, during which another uniformed security guard was buzzed into the room and passed by into the offices beyond.

Long story short, when I said to my interviewer that I thought it strange that there was no signage for the company out front, he explained that this was intentional, that this was specifically the mental health division of Health Net, and that they were prepared for disgruntled patients trying to seek them out.  I was offered the job, but thankfully accepted another position just before I was about to start.  Dodged a bullet?

Dave, my sister worked there for some years. I'm trying to remember what she worked on. It didn't seem interesting.

Right, Judit, it probably would've been horribly boring, electronic data transfer kind of stuff.  The job I ended up with was MUCH better.  But it would've been interesting getting off work a couple miles from TXR!

Funny thing:  I accepted the position with Health Net (I needed a job!) but the day before I was to start I told them sorry, I'd accepted another position.  But, I knew someone from my previous job I could recommend.  I warned my colleague about what the place seemed like, but she applied anyway, interviewed, and was offered the job, which she accepted.  The day before she was to start, she also accepted another, better position elsewhere, and gave them the same, last minute "sorry" message.  I'll add that this was the only job I ever applied for that requested a hair sample for a drug test!

Speaking of harvesting wind, the shooter has eluded efforts to catch or identify so far.  
 

Seems like a professionnal hit.  Guy had his run through the alley>e-bike through Central Park>Bus Station escape route planned.  Apparently he acted fast enough that the departing buses couldn't be checked before they began to hit their destinations, so the shooter could be anywhere.  

Here is the assassin:

https://nypost.com/2024/12/09/us-news/person-of-interest-in-fatal-shooti...

sloppy.

And there's some cognitive dissonance going on there too.

"Taken into custody Monday morning while eating at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pa."

"Mangione also subscribed to anti-capitalist and climate-change causes"

https://nypost.com/2024/12/09/us-news/person-of-interest-in-fatal-shooti...

sad for the kid to have finally gotten caught up. i was hoping for more of a folk hero DB cooper type of situation. i could care less whats on the dude's twitter acct tbh.

Does the McDonald's employee who dropped a dime on him get the $60,000 in reward money? That is a nice Happy Meal.

Should have ditched the mask and dyed his hair blue....

No one would give him a second look.....

But fuck him.

A friend said she thought this murder was an okay idea, it'll help move the revolution along. I can't agree. I'm a non-violent person, and think that's how change has to be made; I know it's slow, but I can't get behind killing people.

Instagram poster underthedesknews https://www.instagram.com/underthedesknews/
put it together.

The gunman's family had very highly rated end-of-life-care facilities (like nursing homes), and a history of healthcare companies, Lorien Health Systems.
UHc is buying them up, ruining the market...

Unrelated, sort or, Real estate investment companies are buying facilities for the land under them, making fewer long term care facilities available and oh, so much profit.

This fits into my long-time feelings of not liking CEO's, COO's CFO's, and all the rest of C's. I still don't think we should kill them.

Shooter grew up right around here in an affluent neighborhood. Apparently money alone cannot heal one's body. And apparently not getting laid can drive a young man mad.

[Still, Mr. Martin said, he and others in the community came to understand that the pain was no small matter to a young man yearning for a normal lifestyle. “He knew that dating and being physically intimate with his back condition wasn’t possible,” Mr. Martin said. “I remember him telling me that, and my heart just breaks.”]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/nyregion/united-healthcare-ceo-shooti...

Dude had $10,000 in cash on him and was eating at McDonald's?  

the shooter is a murder not a hero 

https://www.kdrv.com/news/deny-defend-depose-graffiti-refers-to-deadly-s...

^^^^^ yes I agree.  It is definitely the mood of the country and that is very worrisome to me.  We are headed down a dangerous path where people cheer on the attempted assassination of a Presidential candidate and gleeful over the murder of a CEO.   where do we go from here?  

Where do we go from here?

Evil scumbags need to be dead.

it's been the same way for years....

The sentiments on both sides of the political spectrum are squeezing people more and more toward the far ends. Extremism is becoming normalized. We are almost there. One more generation and the country we grew up in will be a distant memory 

And now in a possibly premeditated fashion the shooter will be like a retired congressman with free healthcare for life.  
And room and board.

 But now we have to pay for it. ....

maximum captalism x maximum guns

I mean

what could possibly go wrong?

The guns are just in the wrong hands.

It's such an extreme thing that might turn out to be an inflection point that I can't help but wonder if Putin somehow has a hand this?

Anyone who thinks this changes anything is delusional. All that will happen is these rich abhorrent individuals who thrive on the misery of others, is that they will hire more security and protection for their homes. This guy will just be replaced by the next greedy bastard in line. Nothing will ever change this abomination of "health care" in this country until "care" becomes the operative word. Not in my lifetime and probably not until the next great social revolution if ever. Truly sad what this nation has wrought. 

"too much is never enough"....

Seeing a lot of Facebook posts showing bands and people hanging out with Luigi on Dec. 4 far, far from NYC.   Really gone viral and makes you think that someone should have made universal health care a central feature of her recent presidential campaign.

There's something sewn into our DNA that has us forever cheering for the underdogs in almost all circumstances. Our sense of fairness on the playground only grows stronger as we age.