The best, most cogent and elegantly simple explanation into the inexplicably destructive negotiating processes of the president, by Prof. David Honig of Indiana University.
Everybody I know should read this accurate and enlightening piece... I learned a lot and it gave me a lot to think about. You may know this, but I hadn't thought about in these terms.
“I’m going to get a little wonky and write about Donald Trump and negotiations. For those who don't know, I'm an adjunct professor at Indiana University - Robert H. McKinney School of Law and I teach negotiations. Okay, here goes.
Trump, as most of us know, is the credited author of "The Art of the Deal," a book that was actually ghost written by a man named Tony Schwartz, who was given access to Trump and wrote based upon his observations. If you've read The Art of the Deal, or if you've followed Trump lately, you'll know, even if you didn't know the label, that he sees all deal making as what we call "distributive bargaining."
Distributive bargaining always has a winner and a loser. It happens when there is a fixed quantity of something and two sides are fighting over how it gets distributed. Think of it as a pie and you're fighting over who gets how many pieces. In Trump's world, the bargaining was for a building, or for construction work, or subcontractors. He perceives a successful bargain as one in which there is a winner and a loser, so if he pays less than the seller wants, he wins. The more he saves the more he wins.
The other type of bargaining is called integrative bargaining. In integrative bargaining the two sides don't have a complete conflict of interest, and it is possible to reach mutually beneficial agreements. Think of it, not a single pie to be divided by two hungry people, but as a baker and a caterer negotiating over how many pies will be baked at what prices, and the nature of their ongoing relationship after this one gig is over.
The problem with Trump is that he sees only distributive bargaining in an international world that requires integrative bargaining. He can raise tariffs, but so can other countries. He can't demand they not respond. There is no defined end to the negotiation and there is no simple winner and loser. There are always more pies to be baked. Further, negotiations aren't binary. China's choices aren't (a) buy soybeans from US farmers, or (b) don't buy soybeans. They can also (c) buy soybeans from Russia, or Argentina, or Brazil, or Canada, etc. That completely strips the distributive bargainer of his power to win or lose, to control the negotiation.
One of the risks of distributive bargaining is bad will. In a one-time distributive bargain, e.g. negotiating with the cabinet maker in your casino about whether you're going to pay his whole bill or demand a discount, you don't have to worry about your ongoing credibility or the next deal. If you do that to the cabinet maker, you can bet he won't agree to do the cabinets in your next casino, and you're going to have to find another cabinet maker.
There isn't another Canada.
So when you approach international negotiation, in a world as complex as ours, with integrated economies and multiple buyers and sellers, you simply must approach them through integrative bargaining. If you attempt distributive bargaining, success is impossible. And we see that already.
Trump has raised tariffs on China. China responded, in addition to raising tariffs on US goods, by dropping all its soybean orders from the US and buying them from Russia. The effect is not only to cause tremendous harm to US farmers, but also to increase Russian revenue, making Russia less susceptible to sanctions and boycotts, increasing its economic and political power in the world, and reducing ours. Trump saw steel and aluminum and thought it would be an easy win, BECAUSE HE SAW ONLY STEEL AND ALUMINUM - HE SEES EVERY NEGOTIATION AS DISTRIBUTIVE. China saw it as integrative, and integrated Russia and its soybean purchase orders into a far more complex negotiation ecosystem.
Trump has the same weakness politically. For every winner there must be a loser. And that's just not how politics works, not over the long run.
For people who study negotiations, this is incredibly basic stuff, negotiations 101, definitions you learn before you even start talking about styles and tactics. And here's another huge problem for us.
Trump is utterly convinced that his experience in a closely held real estate company has prepared him to run a nation, and therefore he rejects the advice of people who spent entire careers studying the nuances of international negotiations and diplomacy. But the leaders on the other side of the table have not eschewed expertise, they have embraced it. And that means they look at Trump and, given his very limited tool chest and his blindly distributive understanding of negotiation, they know exactly what he is going to do and exactly how to respond to it.
From a professional negotiation point of view, Trump isn't even bringing checkers to a chess match. He's bringing a quarter that he insists of flipping for heads or tails, while everybody else is studying the chess board to decide whether its better to open with Najdorf or Grünfeld.”
— David Honig
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on Sunday, February 2, 2025 – 12:42 pm
Sunday is right for a hymn.
Sunday is right for a hymn.
Him, him, fuck him.
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on Sunday, February 2, 2025 – 01:07 pm
tl;dr, but here's the thing:
tl;dr, but here's the thing: Trump is exactly who he's always been. He's an imbecile, a fraud, and a bully.
Hoping all can find the good in the world today. There's plenty out there.
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on Sunday, February 2, 2025 – 01:23 pm
Sunday funday
Sunday funday
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on Sunday, February 2, 2025 – 01:38 pm
Nice analysis, sad times
Nice analysis, sad times
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on Sunday, February 2, 2025 – 01:48 pm
This country is doomed.
This country is doomed.
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on Sunday, February 2, 2025 – 02:23 pm
Ignore that fucktard. He is
Ignore that fucktard. He is just a useful idiot in the service of Elon Musk. All those dumb executive orders are like WWF wrestling, all flash, drama, and show, but in the end, not real and hardly enforceable.
But what is fucking scary is that Elon and his DOGE (which is isn't and official government department or agency) are physically taking over the government as we sit here. Dude is the classic James Bond villain (not as cool as Scaramanga or some of the others, more like the geeky ones from the Pierce Bronson era) and the fact that dude is filling space with his satellites is also really concerning. It's important to stay calm and focused and don't get distracted by the circus.
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on Sunday, February 2, 2025 – 02:49 pm
> the fact that dude is
> the fact that dude is filling space with his satellites is also really concerning
When things eventually turn around, this could make for an interesting eminent domain case in the future.
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on Sunday, February 2, 2025 – 05:01 pm
this is the end of the world
this is the end of the world as we knew it
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on Monday, February 3, 2025 – 01:15 pm
I'm going to bump this essay.
I'm going to bump this essay. Did you see that tariffs for Mexico have been put off one month? Phone call with Trudeau later today about tariffs for Canada?
It's like he tosses a punch, pulls back, toss a punch, pulls back. Rinse and repeat.
Americans panic, regroup, panic, regroup.
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on Monday, February 3, 2025 – 01:59 pm
>>>>> It's important to stay
>>>>> It's important to stay calm and focused and don't get distracted by the circus.
^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^
Ken, those words are a Mantra of teachers in Ayahuasca ceremonies:)
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on Monday, February 3, 2025 – 03:23 pm
Sovereign Welfare Fund?
Sovereign Welfare Fund? Sounds like the avenue for the state owned media
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on Monday, February 3, 2025 – 04:24 pm
Why did Musk go after USAID?
Why did Musk go after USAID? It was instrumental in bringing down Apartheid in South Africa.
Elon Musk's mother moved to South Africa in the year Apartheid was created, and she and Elon left the year it ended. The last Apartheid Prime Minister, a man who refused to testify at the Truth and Reconciliation Committee, was a family friend who stayed at their home.
U.S. policy was to help bring an end to apartheid and establish a nonracial, democratic government. In response to this policy and the Act, USAID/South Africa was responsible for financing projects that apartheid victims viewed as critical in promoting social, political, and
economic change through peaceful means. The mission enabled community consultation and ensured that the United States did not impose foreign-defined solutions to local problems. USAID created projects and activities to respond to the priorities of the black community and its leaders, maximized black participation and leadership, and ensured activities had a linkage to the general objectives of U.S. policy.
A racist shithead billionaire is running Trump's circus.
Everyone knows what it will take but no one wants to say it out loud.
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on Monday, February 3, 2025 – 05:16 pm
And now the tariffs we were
And now the tariffs we were imposing on Canada are suspended. Push me, pull you...
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on Monday, February 3, 2025 – 06:01 pm
>>>And now the tariffs we
>>>And now the tariffs we were imposing on Canada are suspended
Damage is already done. There were thousands of cancelations to Vegas, Disney, and Florida from tourists in Canada and Mexico. Tourist industry is getting slammed. Also the Liberal Party in Canada was way down in the polls and has pulled within 2 points. Trump is going to make sure Canada stays socialist.
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on Monday, February 3, 2025 – 06:13 pm
He saw the market tanking,
He saw the market tanking, and retreated
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on Tuesday, February 4, 2025 – 11:14 am
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