Congrats to Zohran Mamdani

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Wow.  This it's what it's about.  Heartbeat of America.

Beautiful, things are happening!

^^^^^^^ don't think so.  Seems highly likely now that the next Mayor of NYC will be a Republican 

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Nothing good will come of this.

I think an anti semetic ex-rapper socialist is just what the Big Apple needs.

Beautiful things are happening!

Don’t mess with the Zohran.

>>>>Nothing good will come of this.

Nothing good came out of the 2024 presidential election, which confirmed Americans are hungry for something different than business as usual.   Remember a gangly young senator named Barack Hussein Obama?  People said no way a person of color with a name like that could get elected.  Zohran could be Barack 2.0 and is frankly more accessible and relatable to the younger generations.  

>>>>anti semetic ex-rapper socialist

Fox News description right there.  What makes him "anti semetic"?   Serious question especially considering how he was cross endorsed by fellow mayoral (and Jewish) candidate Brad Lander.  And what specifically about his "socialist" policies are concerning?   Free health care?   Rent control?   Surveys show that most Americans actually support the policy goals of Bernie Sanders and since every politician left of the John Birch Society is now a "radical Marxist" in some people's eyes, the "S" word seems to have lost any real meaning.

Just for the record, my son has been actively involved in the DSA movement in Queens since he moved there after law school in 2021, has know Zohran personally since well before he announced his candidacy, and helped organize dude's mayoral campaign from the very beginning.  It has been interesting getting regular updates on how the campaign has evolved and just seeing the enthusiasm and excitement snowball into victory.  He also says Zohran is a real cool cat in general and that his public persona is just how the guy is in real life.  Authenticity goes a long way.

i rather vote for a crook than him ,i guess its adams time

Ken -

 

with all due respect Mamdani supporting and echoing the slogan "globalize the intifada" is as anti-Semitic as you can get.  

Ooh, do the free palestine one next

"It is important to note that the term "intifada" refers to the Palestinian uprisings against the Israeli occupation, and interpretations of the slogan "globalize the intifada" can vary widely, with some seeing it as a call for solidarity and resistance, while others associate it with violence and antisemitism. "

you literally cannot say anything without being called an anti-semite. great strategy.

^^^^ I think the repeated suicide bombings and thousands of rockets fired into Israel with shouts of intifada defines what it really is - who we kidding here?   

No candidate is without baggage, but its no secret the Democratic party is hungry for new leaders and we shouldn't allow a single issue overshadow the fact that the guy is exactly what the doctor ordered after last year's dismal general election:   somebody willing to challenge the status quo for the benefit of the working class who knows how to run an effective campaign and has the natural charisma and authenticity needed to connect with younger voters.

And his win has certainly got the Islamophobes and xenophobes foaming at the mouth with some really ugly rhetoric.   

Fair points Ken.  I gotta say I despise all things MAGA but also growing increasing frustrated with the Dems and starting to feel like the party has left me or I'm leaving it.  I do feel strongly that the progressive/AOC wing is a road to more general election defeats - but what the heck do I know?    

Opposing Zionists and all other bullies does not equate with hating Jews and wishing them ill, nor does a belief that Palestinians deserve to live in peace in their land. Murder and terrorism are wrong no matter who commits such despicable acts, and all those who do should be subject to international justice.

Labeling all who criticize the State of Israel, regardless of context and nuance, and no matter how many civilians they bomb and starve, as "anti-Semitic" only cheapens the term.

I am way passed ready for some Democratic Socialism to come to the USA. Right-wing populism has proved to be a total shit show.

I don't live in New York, or have much knowledge of the local politics, but predict that reactionaries and the status quo will spare no expense, or lies, to prevent Zohran Mamdani from being elected mayor.

Good luck Zohran Mamdani and supporters. Somebody has got to turn the page.

 

> I do feel strongly that the progressive/AOC wing is a road to more general election defeats - but what the heck do I know?    
 

not much considering this progressive just won the primary easily. 
 

the defeats were happening because nobody wants 'moderate' corrupt Democrats anymore. 
 

and please do tell, which of AOC's policies do you oppose?! 

I personally like AOC and my voting age daughters love her.  I don't like the fact that she and her "wing" cannot win national general elections - it's just a fact.  I haven't lived in NY in over 17 years and don't claim to have my finger on the pulse of local politics up there but Mamdani more than likely won because his only real competition was Cuomo

>>>>> she and her "wing" cannot win national general elections - it's just a fact.

Is it a fact though?  The DNC really hasn't given them a chance.   What is a fact is that the old rules don't apply these days.  Donald Trump getting himself elected president again just proves that.   My parents are dyed in the wool Goldwater Republicans and even they admired Bernie Sanders for being authentic which is almost as important (if not more important) than policy for running a successful campaign in this era of politics.  But even then, Bernie and his "wing"'s policies are generally favored by most Americans.  

Here is an article discussing some of this if anyone is interested:   https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/26/zohran-mamdani-mayoral-r...

As the author notes:

"Anyone can run for office financed by billionaire backers while spouting talking points produced by expensive consultants. But what Mamdani, Bernie Sanders and, yes, Trump figured out is that there is a huge and growing swath of the American electorate so disaffected by empty and corrupt politics that they are hungry for someone who feels authentic."

America is a melting pot, if people hate Muslims so much there's other countries they can move to where that shit flies.

Mamdani’s triumphant party last night.

Nothing screams death to the nobility class more than young upwardly mobile Gen Z'ers posting photos to social while they drink champagne. 

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Did you see where a sitting US congressman, Andy Ogles. just called Zohran "little muhamed" and that he should be denaturalized and deported over the content some of his old raps?  

And for an anti-Semitism and Islamophobic double feature, Trump once again called Chuck Schumer a "Palestinian" doubling down on his earlier remarks about how the highest ranking Jewish member of Congress "used to be Jewish. He's not Jewish anymore"   I am not Jewish, but seems to me that telling a Jew they aren't Jewish based on their political affiliations is inherently anti-Semitic. 

Is the champagne in the room with us right now?

I believe Zorhan when he says he wants to seriously address both Islamophobia and Antisemitism. I also think it was pretty douchy of him to blame Israel for 10/7 the following day. It's that fairytale narrative that Israel is an illegal colonist state that warrants whatever "resistance" it gets.

Instead of squabbling about what intifada means, how about just not using it? It's a pretty loaded term, and to many Muslims and Jews is sure as hell means violence. If one means "resistance," say that.

>>>>Instead of squabbling about what intifada means, how about just not using it?

Agreed. If the suffering of Gazans gets lost in the message, you need to change the message.  The sight of tens of thousands of dead children should speak for itself.  

>>>>pretty douchy of him to blame Israel for 10/7 the following day

Again, that's a problem with messaging.  The NYC DSA's comments right after 10/7 were pretty tone deaf.  They realized that soon after but the damage was already done.  You can debate the underlying causes of the war all you want, but timing is everything.

As for the election party, my son says there were two.  Zohran attended a small gathering with some celebrities, while there was a much bigger one my son helped organize at the Bohemian Beer Hall and Garden near his place in Astoria.   He said thousands of people were there and the beer line was an hour long, so people started going to nearby bodegas and bringing back drinks.  He also explained how he personally kicked out some far right podcaster.  

Like it or not, firebombing Jews in Boulder, killing a young Israeli American couple in DC, and painting swastikas on schools in Australia are all what a global intifada look like. If one doesn't agree with targeting Jews simply because they are Jews, they should distance themselves from that term. None of that is resistance against Israel. All of it is intifada.

wha is the politically correct term to use to support palestinians or their independence?

 

 

>>wha is the politically correct term

A 2 state solution with both countries recognizing and accepting the existence of the other, and choosing to live in relative peace.

Wordy, but maybe some things can't be boiled down to a convenient but lazy word or phrase.

wha is the politically correct term to use to support palestinians or their independence?

the correct term is the one the palestinians choose, which atm is intafada. if an american jew feels attacked by that, that is 100% a personal problem that can be dealt with in therapy or something

Pretty convenient to ignore the facts of the first and second intifadas, huh? It seems to be white, liberal Christians that are redefining and sanitizing the word to suit themselves. Go figure...

Also, if anyone doesn't like a politician using the term, they can not vote for them. Ain't democracy grand?

Don't forget the IL. landlord who stabbed a Palestinian mother over a dozen times, then turned towards her six year old boy and stabbed him 26 times, killing the child. Just because they were Palestinian. Then there was the woman in Texas who tried to drown a Palestinian toddler in a public pool because the child's family were Muslim. 

And two Israeli tourists who were shot in Florida by a guy who thought the were Palestinians and then there were those three Palestinian college kids shot up in Vermont.  People do shitty things to other people.  But we should all agree that healthcare is a basic human right and billionaires need to pay more in taxes.

Oh definitely. Single payer, better wages, and billionaires need to pay more taxes. Totally on board.

>>>Nothing good will come of this<<<

What I'm saying there is that in our small minded, mean spirited, racist, bigoted, misogynistic, homophonic, scared stiff society, anybody with the word "socialist" attached anywhere near them, even if they don't have a foreign, middle eastern name has zero chance on the national stage, and no matter how great they may be, that can hurt the larger national battle.

If the guy was really smart he would have run away from "democratic socialist" a long time ago, because ultimately that's just a label and a huge number/perhaps the majority of Americans don't listen to ideas, we react to simple labels and quick, sensational headlines.

On a personal level I hope he wins, but realistically, if he does win and even if he can make a real difference, which in a city like New York is a dream, it just gives the MAGA machine more easy ammunition to attack the left and keep their base scared to death of "those people".

Sometimes it seems like the "Radical Left" are actually special ops payed to ensure someone else gets elected.  I know if I was running for office my rhetoric during campaigning would be rather conservative in the best way possible and my actions in office would be quite progressive.  What is so hard to understand about this battle plan that so many ignore only to be slaughtered on Election Day? 

 

A set of beliefs is at once a way of seeing the world more clearly while, at the same time, foreclosing an alternative vision.

-- Lillian B. Rubin

 

Really strange whataboutism up there, comparing heinous but random acts of anti Islam violence to a movement that is predicated on and has a long history of attacking Jews around the world.

Personally, I don't stand behind or condone anti Islam violence. Sure sounds like Dise and Benway can't say that about Jew hatred violence. Maybe it's part of the fairytale that they can make the evil and oppressive Zionist regime magically disappear.

The real lol is how in some factions of the far left, antisemitism has become their "all lives matter." They literally use the same language as those idiots they hate so much. The horseshoe of politics, where the far left and far right are about the same.

This is just so weird how you assume because I reminded you that you'd neglected to mention hate based zionist violence against innocent Palestinian Americans that must mean I support the hate crimes. It's like saying all Jews are nazis because Israel is committing genocide. Neither is true. Is this where you say everyone is hamas lol 

Imagine thinking brutal violence against children is acceptable. That an Islamic candidate has no right to speak out against it. 

> A 2 state solution with both countries recognizing and accepting the existence of the other, and choosing to live in relative peace.

That sounds a lot like Mamdani's position.

Mamdani, who co-founded the Students for Justice in Palestine group at Bowdoin College when he attended from 2010 to 2014, has come under scrutiny from both his hard-line anti-Israel base and pro-Israel groups for balancing his leftist views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with recognition of Israel’s right to exist.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/723325/cuomo-nyc-mayor-mamdani-jewish-v...

Yeah, I'm talking about the historical and factual implications of intifada, and because I didn't also talk about what Israel is doing  in Gaza you have a problem. It all has to be framed the way you want it to be.

Honestly, you and Turtle can fuck off with the Hamas thing.I only bring them up when it's pertinent, and as you've seen(if you've actually been paying attention), that's pretty rare. And fuck, Turtle cries more about antisemitism than tbe rest of this site combined. It's buzarre.

>>That sounds a lot like Mamdani's position.

Notice that the only issue I've taken with Mamadani is his unfortunate use of "intifada." He generally seems line a sensible dude.

>>reminded you that you'd neglected to mention hate based zionist violence against innocent Palestinian Americans that must mean I support the hate crimes.
 

What a skewed view. Most (if not all)of the hate crimes you mentioned were done by normal American bigots who hate Muslims, not your Zionist devils. But I get it, you need to weaponize Zionism by creating a fairytale. Second, I never said you condoned it. I said it's your "all lives matter" moment.

Seriously, do you read my posts?

Typically I don't bother reading your posts because all you're interested in is attacking me for things I literally didn't say. Enjoy your weekend! 

Lol

If anyone is interested here are Josh Marshal's thoughts from TPM which are also my thoughts. 

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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/three-and-one-half-thoughts-on-mamdanis-big-big-win/sharetoken/58699575-f27b-4419-9e12-f78471b1c064

And then there's this, a perspective that may make sense. A friend sent it and I can't figure out how to get this short clip any way but instagram and perhaps facebook, but it seems fitting in this thread.

James Baldwin, UC Berkeley, 1979

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKm6P73ucQj/

Fucking commie bastard:

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Ken, I don't find that by Googling. Is it real? It doesn't feel real...

I heard the shuttle was shot down by the Jewish space lasers.

It's a 40 year old tweet, judit.

I saw the date, but questioned if it was real at the time. Now I realize he's not even 40 years old. Got it.

Also, Twitter didn't become a thing until 2006.

Someone should post some other fantasy weird thing so I can think it might be real, too. I did a double take because I was in a train station in Barcelona on June 28, 1986 and there was a headline on a reader board saying some answers had been found about the  6 month old explosion.

(I have never been a twitter person so wouldn't have known that part.)

Here is a podcast about how Zohran pulled it off.   My son Wilderness starts at around the 1:00 mark.  

https://open.spotify.com/episode/236FVhh5vw9zYJMdPM1iLS

That's awesome, Ken. I knew your son was an activist but didn't know he was so dedicated! I'm glad he had a part in NY voters rejecting Cuomo.