Trump to visit Muslim school to promote school choice

>> Will the government offer vouchers to schools of any religion? 

They'll have to: "the program must be neutral with respect to religion"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelman_v._Simmons-Harris

>Will the government offer vouchers to schools of any religion? 

Many schools will conveniently 'lack the credentials' to qualify for reimbursement.

Vouchers = school segregation 

And taxpayer funded Christian education, praise Jeebus.

"School choice" for DeVos and co. means (1) white people choose whether their kids go to school with kids of color, and (2) white people choose whether kids of color have access to equal educational opportunities.

Spoiler alert -- they choose "no" for both. 

Love Lafayette

>> "School choice" for DeVos and co. means (1) white people choose whether their kids go to school with kids of color, and (2) white people choose whether kids of color have access to equal educational opportunities.

I have never heard a parent worry about their children going to school with kids of different races. Have you? Was it in this decade?

Playing the race card on every single political issue is played out.

>I have never heard a parent worry about their children going to school with kids of different races. Have you?

ender is funny

I think it's funny you guys think all Republicans are bigots. Get out of CA more.

>>>>>Playing the race card on every single political issue is played out.

So is pretending racism doesn't exist.

So you think White Supremicists (of which California has a fucking ton) are not going to use a voucher system to self segregate?

>> So is pretending racism doesn't exist.

It sure as hell isn't what's driving school vouchers.

>>>>>It sure as hell isn't what's driving school vouchers.

Yeah, it's more class warfare but racism is inherent in that.

And like I said, it sure will make it easier for racists to self segregate.  

>>>>>I think it's funny you guys think all Republicans are bigots.

It's funny that you think "we" think that.

>> So you think White Supremicists (of which California has a fucking ton) are not going to use a voucher system to self segregate?

I think lot's of people will use it to put their kids in environments they think are best for them. I think some segregation is a byproduct of that because like minded people will send their kids to the same school. I think that segregation could have a negative or positive bias.

Diversity is great, but it's not the end all be all, when choosing a school.

>> Yeah, it's more class warfare but racism is inherent in that.

I agree that it's class warfare, but not that it's racist.

When racists use crime and educational performance statistics to justify their stereotyping, they are (correctly) told that poverty and class correlate better to these negative statistics than race. 

So my question is - is it racist to evaluate poverty and class when choosing a neighborhood to live in or school for your child?

>>>>>So my question is - is it racist to evaluate poverty and class when choosing a neighborhood to live in or school for your child?

It doesn't have to be.  For some people I'm sure it is.

But if you don't like a neighborhood because it's poor and it also happens to be populated by 90% one race, there might be a connection there.  Doesn't make the home buyer racist but it doesn't change the fact that it's inherent in the system.

>>>>>>I think lot's of people will use it to put their kids in environments they think are best for them.

Yeah the problem with that is it will let hate groups develop schools to brainwash the poor kids whos parents send them there to be around "like minded people".

>>>>>Diversity is great, but it's not the end all be all, when choosing a school.

There's no better cure for racism than diversity and travel.  As a nation we are trying to become less diverse and are also making travel harder.  I think that sucks.

http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2014/02/01/kappan_rotberg.html

#1. There is a strong link between school choice programs and an increase in student segregation by race, ethnicity, and income.

Studies in a number of different states and school districts in the U.S. show that charter schools often lead to increased school segregation (Bifulco & Ladd, 2007; Booker, Zimmer, & Buddin, 2005; Cobb & Glass, 2003; Clotfelter, Ladd, & Vigdor, 2013; Frankenberg, Siegel-Hawley, & Wang, 2011; Furgeson et al., 2012; Garcia, 2008; Glenn, 2011; Michelson, Bottia, & Southworth, 2008; Nathanson, Corcoran, & Baker-Smith, 2013), a finding that is consistent with research in a number of other countries, including Australia (Luke, 2010), Canada (Yoon & Gulson, 2010), Chile (Elacqua, 2012), Denmark (Rangvid, 2007), England (Burgess, Wilson, & Lupton, 2005), Germany (Pietsch & Stubbe, 2007), Israel (Nir, Inbar, & Eyal, 2010), the Netherlands (Karsten, Felix, Ledoux, & Meijnen, 2006), New Zealand (Thomson, 2010), and Sweden (Böhlmark & Lindahl, 2007). In many cases, school choice programs exacerbate current school segregation and, in more heterogeneous settings, lead to the stratification of students who were previously in integrated environments.

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#3. Even beyond race, ethnicity, and income, school choice programs result in increased segregation for special education and language-minority students, as well as in increased segregation of students based on religion and culture.

Special education and language-minority students are under-represented in charter schools, unless the schools are specifically targeted to these population groups (Arcia, 2006; Sattin-Bajaj & Suarez-Orozco, 2012; Scott, 2012). Even when the students are selected in a lottery, they are discouraged from attending charter schools when the schools do not provide the services they require.

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Perhaps less visible, but clearly growing, are charter schools that target specific religious and cultural groups (Eckes, Fox, & Buchanan, 2011). Some of these schools were formerly private religious schools, schools that are likely to attract specific religious groups (for example, by offering extensive language instruction in Hebrew, Arabic, or Greek), or schools designed to appeal to families with particular social or political values. Such niche schools often result in the segregation of students by religion or by social values — a type of stratification many countries now struggle with that has not traditionally been prevalent in U.S. public education. As charter schools proliferate, so do these schools — a trend that will almost inevitably lead to a public school system that is increasingly fragmented.

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Don't you teach at a private Christian university that receives federal funds?

All thee of my kids attended this school, St Andrews, small catholic school in the middle of Crime Hills (the hood)in Orlando. Look for the basketball championship banners hanging from the rafters in the gym from when I coached my son's teams there. Won the ship 5 of the six years I coached there. Actually it's one banner with all the championship years on it

>>> But if you don't like a neighborhood because it's poor and it also happens to be populated by 90% one race, there might be a connection there.  Doesn't make the home buyer racist but it doesn't change the fact that it's inherent in the system.

Bingo. This is also a good related read: http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/01/16/509325266/how-the-systemic-seg...

Are there cities or neighborhoods where this won't happen? What are they doing different? 

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