6 female Democrat Senators call on Franken to resign

"Al Franken should resign," Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill said on Twitter.

"It is clear that Al Franken has engaged in a pattern of egregious and unacceptable behavior toward women. He should resign," New Hampshire Sen. Maggie Hassan said.

"I’ve struggled with this decision because he’s been a good Senator and I consider him a friend," Hawaii Sen. Mazie Hirono said in calling for his resignation. "But that cannot excuse his behavior and his mistreatment of women."

New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand added her name to the list of Senators calling for Franken's resignation in a Facebook post. "I have spent a lot of time reflecting on Senator Franken’s behavior," she wrote. "Enough is enough. The women who have come forward are brave and I believe them. While it’s true that his behavior is not the same as the criminal conduct alleged against Roy Moore, or Harvey Weinstein, or President Trump, it is still unquestionably wrong, and should not be tolerated by those of us who are privileged to work in public service."

California Sen. Kamala Harris said: "Sexual harassment and misconduct should not be allowed by anyone and should not occur anywhere. I believe the best thing for Senator Franken to do is step down."

Washington Sen. Patty Murray and Wisconsin Sen. Tammy Baldwin also have now called for Franken to step aside.

Al Franken should make a public statement that he will resign as soon as Trump and Moore resign. 

^ BINGO

Genius!

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Great idea. The 'At least we're not Trump' slogan worked so well in 2016.

He's a sitting senator. He can push the conversation to Moore and Trump since he has a large pulpit. Don't be weaksauce, Ateix.

'The stakes are too high to be principled: Vote Democrat, 2020'

Isn't he going to get replaced with another Democrat by the Democratic governor?

Why are zoners backing a creep if there is no political loss in terms of Senate voting?

I'm not backing him. Simply saying that on his way out he should challenge the Trump/Moore crowd.

Al Franken should make a public statement that he will resign as soon as Trump and Moore resign. 

I'm not backing him. Simply saying that on his way out he should challenge the Trump/Moore crowd.

There is political loss when he resigns because of his standing on these committees. He's intelligent (but apparently not wise). It's not just Democrat for Democrat.

Committee on Indian Affairs
Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Committee on the Judiciary

Is Franken really in a position to challenge Moore or Trump?

Doesn't seem like he has much of a leg left to stand on. 

>>>>>There is political loss when he resigns

The Governor of Minnesota  is a Democrat and would appoint the new Senator.

And they’d regain the moral high ground.  Not that it’s really worth a damn anymore.

What should Moore resign from?

Moore is going to win, Fish.

"The stakes are too high to be principled" - Too funny, this is literally the argument my father made when explaining why he was voting for Roy Moore, the pedophile. 

If he doesn’t vote for the pedophile a baker might have to bake a cake for a homosexual

>>And they’d regain the moral high ground.  Not that it’s really worth a damn anymore.

Well said, Timmy. It’s virtually worthless. Republicans don’t even care about it in the least anyway.

Have you changed your position on supporting Al Franken, Six?

I believe I had some thoughts and questions. Sure I expressed some thoughts and questions about Tweeden too - but I never said Franken clearly had my support. I will review the earlier Franken thread and see if I really expressed a clear position. If I did, I guess I have to see what it was before I am sure I have changed on it.

Some time has passed, though, and more women have come forward - so there is more to consider now.

Mainly - I just wanted to agree with Timmy that the moral high ground is not worth a damn anymore.

After 2017 women's march (biggest in US history) the day after Trump's inauguration is forcing Democrats to boot the sexual harassers out of office in there party to protect the female vote ahead of 2018 & 2020

Democrats John Conyers & Al Franken resign and are out of office

Republicans Blake Farenthold & Roy Moore stay in office

One party protects sexual harassers (R) and one deals with them (D) get ready to hear this repeatedly in 2018 & 2020

Hahaha yeah kick Al out meanwhile the GOP is going to elect a pedophile to be a senator. Good times. 

>>> I believe I had some thoughts and questions. Sure I expressed some thoughts and questions about Tweeden too - but I never said Franken clearly had my support. I will review the earlier Franken thread and see if I really expressed a clear position. If I did, I guess I have to see what it was before I am sure I have changed on it.

Sen. Six (R-VT)

Democrats eat their own and Republicans have no shame.

if I vote independent - am I still to blame?

Why should he resign? Is he incapable of doing his job? Should he quit because he made a mistake. Politics are so funny. They want to keep a squeaky clean front just so they can do the dirtiest shit behind closed doors. Shameful ain’t the word.

>>>>and one deals with them (D) get ready to hear this repeatedly in 2018 & 2020

oh yeah, after public pressure becomes too much to try to ignore them any longer

Hopefully Patrick Lahey isn’t a groper too

Nobody will even remember in a couple years if he doesn’t resign. 

Al Franken should make a public statement that he will resign as soon as Trump and Moore resign. <<

Works for me.

Or he could just let Minnesotans decide.

F False Equivalency.

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/932646710857338886

^I feel that we've been in that world for awhile now.

(((The 'At least he's not Crooked Hilary' slogan worked so well in 2016.)))  Well, and the Russians.

>> F False Equivalency.

It's the internet, Bluest.

You're allowed to say "fuck" here.

At least we know Lindsey graham is safe.

Kevin Spacey says he isn’t 

oh, that's right...the Senate page program....

why should it matter? nothing matters anymore....

I think the Repubgnant plan is to back Moore  into the Senate and then replace him with someone less tainted.

I just see no reason for him to resign. He made a mistake. We all do. He admitted it publicly, which is more than what most politicians do. Not crazy about Franken but the fact that he admitted to making a mistake seems more human than many other politicians. Funny that it’s the dems pushing him out. Obviously, this is about the Democratic Party saving face as being the “good guys”. Pathetic. Those

idiots ran the party into the ground financially and politically the last several years.

Dude. Al Franken is a fucking creep, straight up. Grabbing a woman's tits/ass/whatever is so far out of line, it warrants a beat down. Absolutely no excuse for that behavior, period.

Obviously the dude is grabby af with women, and has been for a long time. The fact that this beta bitch has been out running his sanctimonious gums about women's rights for his entire political career makes me despise him even more.

Burn this motherfucker's career to the ground. He's an embarrassment to masculinity. 

>>He's an embarrassment to masculinity. 

Thank you, He-Man. Say hi to Skeletor.

Who hasn't crossed the line in their lifetime? Very few people. 

We're going too far here. We're going to all end up with sticks in our eyes. 

Um....

Wait,

What ?

I call on Al Franken to resign.

Just maybe entertainers shouldn't become politicians.

Reagan, Franken, Trump...

No, I don't need a drink to let my disdain for creepy beta males loose. My feelings on these emasculated clowns was well documented long before the Franken story. 

It absolutely fits into the conversation.

An alpha male doesn't have any need to grope women. That's a beta behavior.

>>>>>Who hasn't crossed the line in their lifetime? Very few people. 

We're going too far here.

Thankfully nobody ever took a picture of me doing it

>>Who hasn't crossed the line in their lifetime? Very few people. 

He wasn't in trouble when one woman accused him. He is resigning because the allegations showed him to be a serial molester. 

When people make "mistakes", they don't do it over and over again.

Mark is so close to saying "cuck". 

When Franken had the Fox talker, Robin Williams molester as the only accuser I was good with him getting an Ethics Committee hearing.  Looks a bit more shady now.

McConnell said if Moore is elected he will face am Ethics Committee "problem" immediately.

Still...why the double standard?  Trump, Moore...

And these fucking alt right evangelicals...if only there was a hell they would be crispy critters.

*an*

Let the women take over.  

Jesus, a little self control gents.

I generally reserve 'cuck' for men who obviously wouldn't mind if another dude banged their wife. 

It's important we keep our technical terms in focus here.

Any fashion tips this morning?  You know, masculine?

conyers and franken done. good stuff. 

fuck those pieces of shit. 

>>>Any fashion tips this morning?  You know, masculine?

Sure. A gentleman wears trousers, tailored to a medium or slight break, with a pair of classic Oxford lace ups, a cotton button up, and a crisp blazer during the work week. Tie is optional.

Basically, all the things your generation rejected from my grandfather's generation (which those great men clearly had right). Go through some old pictures. You'll get it. 

>When people make "mistakes", they don't do it over and over again.

must be a European thing 

is this like not being able to find cops that haven't burned reefer?

So no kimonos?

Kadlichik or Mayer?

You make huge assumptions about what I accept or reject, satorically speaking.

Like most of your age based stereotypes.

Al,

You're not good enough and people don't like you.

I bet Al repents, runs again and wins the same seat.

>> I bet Al repents, runs again and wins the same seat.

Best possible scenario. Definitely on the outside; wouldn't hedge my bet on that.

>>>You make huge assumptions about what I accept or reject, satorically speaking

Sorry, aiq. I guess I just figured if you had a working command of the basics, you wouldn't need to ask. I'm only trying to help.

Dude I have subscribed to Esquire since 1980!

I dressed very similarly to your above description during my teaching days, until the principal went casual.

Even then I maintained business casual.

After work tho...got into my hippie trash jam slut drag.

You know I'm just playing, Aiq.

Lets get back to burning Al Franken at the stake in a violent fit of mass hysteria. 

Al Franken and John Conyers starring in........

"Roy Moore: Republicans resume campaign funding after Donald Trump backs accused candidate"

Donald Trump's Republican Party will resume funding the US Senate campaign of Roy Moore after the president endorsed the Alabama Republican, who is accused of sexual misconduct involving teenage girls.

The Republican National Committee (RNC) had transferred $50,000 (£37,500) to the Alabama Republican Party in support of Mr Moore, an official said. No RNC staff have been deployed to the state.

The state party can use the money as it sees fit, the official said on condition of anonymity.

A second transfer for the sum of $120,000 (£89,600) was made to the Alabama state Republican Party on Moore’s behalf, making the total $170,000 (£127,000), an official said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/roy-moore-latest-republ...

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Your GOP donations at work, Thom.

It’s funny how the whole “pizzagate” and “pedophile” crew are so silent when there’s an actual pedophile in the spotlight.

where have they gone? 

Comet Pizza and Ping Pong still gets hate mail and threatening texts as reported this week by Washington City Paper.

Every employee who was working when the guy came in with the gun still there and business is still booming. 

It's all good, Mark.  I'm goofing a bit my own self  

thom, do you support roy moore, the rnc funding roy moore, and trump's endorsement of moore?

demo creeps.

repub uber creeps and criminals.

too bad, conyers and franken are good, intelligent and actually have done lots of good work.

meanwhile, probably 99% of the repub "god bless our country" motherfuckers get off scott-free. just keep slurping the corporate cocks and nobody gets hurt.

lots of fake moral outrage going on...

but keep voting repub thom. you guys are doing a fantastic job for our country, our people and international relations...

-toke. 

the moral majority 

Pretty sure republicans aren't the only ones with corporate cocks in their mouths.

>>Dude. Al Franken is a fucking creep, straight up. Grabbing a woman's tits/ass/whatever is so far out of line, it warrants a beat down. Absolutely no excuse for that behavior, period.

this

>>>>Al Franken is a fucking creep, straight up

No doubt. Check out the creepy folks he hangs with.

so what

anyone who ever hung out with members of the Grateful Dead is a good person?

Here is a more recent one.  Dude on the far right looks like a real pervert.  Birds of a feather . . . 

>Pretty sure republicans aren't the only ones with corporate cocks in their mouths<

well, of course not. creeps, crooks and whores are endemic to the system both "sides".

Franken says he’s not guilty of accusations. 

Bramhall

>>> Franken says he’s not guilty of accusations. 

Franken says some stupid shit, here's another example...

Senator Franken: “The election was stolen by Russia, is that a correct characterization?”

FBI Director James Comey: “Yes.”

If it's illegal - lock 'em up! If not, or if past sell-by date, let the voters decide.

Or the creep in question can resign or quit the race.

But what seems to be happening is that if a Dem is accused (let's assume correctly) of some inappropriate behavior, the accused will usually step down.

If a Rep is similarly accused, they often refuse to quit - because they know that their constituents don't care about the rights of female victims, especially if the perp is one of their own.

Yet the Dems will have Bill Clinton as featured speaker at a fund raiser next week.

"usually"

Richie- You think Al should've resigned?

No. What he is accused of is pretty innocuous.  And looks like it might be a set-up.

Bill on the other hand is an actual rapist.

But I am just pointing out the hypocrisy.  

I get that.

>>> Bill on the other hand is an actual rapist.

Maybe I missed something.

Bill Clinton raped someone?

I did not read the thread.  I don't know what he did besides pantomime grabbing Leannes breasts.  I think it is a shame he is resigning.  He seemed to work very hard and take the government seriously. Think he went to Harvard so he is capable.  In his case, Im guessing he was trying to be humorous like in the writing room of SNL and got caught up in the #metoo frenzy. Not making excuses. Llke I said, I don't know what crimes he committed. He doesn't seem like the other recent violators who used their power to abuse. Is this a power thing or political, like revenge for Moore?  I mean, the sitting Clown in Chief is on tape verbally abusing woman and many have made claims against him for groping, etc. Maybe Franken's resignation is a political act designed to bring attention to the president's predatory sexual actions and the hypocrisy of it all. Will people care? Should Franken go to jail?  I think the whole thing is a shame and I wish he could remain in politics.

>> I did not read the thread

Why are you posting?

Well said Fly!

Also, couldn't be that that he fucked Sessions up under oath. Nah.

OR he serves on these Committees. Nah.

Committee on Indian Affairs 
Committee on Energy and Natural Resources 
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions 
Committee on the Judiciary 

https://www.senate.gov/general/committee_assignments/assignments.htm

*Bob Packwood - 3 years Ethics investigation*

Al Franken ASKED for an Ethics Investigation.

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Was he trying to be funny every time, or just the one with the photo?

#WhyNotTrump

>>>>>Should Franken go to jail?

 For what? Being rude? The thing is, all men are dicks. Because they have one. It's like the Stegosaurus, which had two brains, one for the front and one for the back. Men have two brains as well, one in the usual place and one considerably lower.

The trouble come when we let the dick brain control our behavior. Unfortunately, dickish behavior is hard-wired into us. The human race went through a genetic bottleneck at about 70 kybp after the super-eruption of Mt. Toba in Indonesia, when the world population was reduced to a few thousand. The genes that survived were carried by people who fucked everything that moved.

These are the genes that we still carry today. It's not our fault.

Of course, we are "civilized" now. We don't have to act on these demands from our dick brains. Some (most?) men apparently haven't got the word

Does this excuse anything? Not in the least. Just shows why we are fighting an uphill battle.

Ask yourself, IF Leeann Tweeden hadn't of "came out" with these allegations, would this even be happening.

Oh, Atiex...

You do know Roger Stone and Alex Jones Tweeted about the Leeann Tweeden claim, 12 Hrs before it broke right? (MSNBC Stephanie Ruhle even said minutes ago)

None of these FACTS look suspect...

Democrats couldn't of walked into another Roger Stone trap right?

Franken says a lot of stupid shit... ok. Thanks for that clarification of him saying he wasn’t guilty of the accusations. It is just a he said she said. That being said if he’s not guilty then I’m not really sure why he resigned. 

>>Bill Clinton raped someone?

Yes, he has been accused and even settled a lawsuit.

>>> if he’s not guilty then I’m not really sure why he resigned. 

He basically said in his speech it was because he felt taking the time to address these allegations appropriately would take away too much of his focus from serving the state of MN to the best of his ability.

Attax -  I think my post stands for itself.   I stated what I knew, expressed an opinion based on what I stated, then contributed to the conversation by asking some questions.  Did I break the rules?

Soaker- I'm not sure I trust Leanne to be honest. I don't care about her politics, unless it was her motivation. Im sorry you don't value a college education from a great school. I do. Education is one gauge of intelligence to many. Personally I want energetic, smart politicians in office. Warts and all.

Why do you guys always seem to want to just poke at posters you don't like or know?.  Big favor- please tell me how to be sooo cool on a message board. I really really want to be like you guys! Please help me.

Surfdead, I kind of agree with you. The dickbrain argument is not popular but valid, IMO. I don't think he should go to jail. I just put the question forward to gain perspective compared to other recent offenders. Like the POSUS. Thanks for expressing what many are reluctant to say. It's complex. "Jellyroll will drive you stone mad".

Using power to abuse women is not cool. 

Now everyone go listen to Pigpen rap on Good Morning Little School Girl and Lovelight.  "Come on now pretty baby I just can't help myself".  complex.

not sure i get the franken/dead hangout association? so what? 

the dead hung out w/ hells angles lol. pretty sure they did some fucked up shit, you know, worse than trying to force kiss a woman or grab ass in a photo op. who gives a fuck that they hung w/ franken? their music is incredible.

is it fair that franken is out while moore is about to get elected and trump in the oval, of course not. franken should've been more careful/maybe acted as a mature adult, it's not asking much for a grown ass man to not grab a butt or breast-and not use his celebrity/power to get what he wanted. it's pretty simple.

time for those mother fuckers to go, no matter their reputation in the senate or how good of a progressive they are. fuck em. 

But they're still Republicans.