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Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny About It
On the day of the show Franken and I were alone backstage going over our lines one last time. He said to me, “We need to rehearse the kiss.” I laughed and ignored him. Then he said it again. I said something like, ‘Relax Al, this isn’t SNL…we don’t need to rehearse the kiss.’
He continued to insist, and I was beginning to get uncomfortable.
He repeated that actors really need to rehearse everything and that we must practice the kiss. I said ‘OK’ so he would stop badgering me. We did the line leading up to the kiss and then he came at me, put his hand on the back of my head, mashed his lips against mine and aggressively stuck his tongue in my mouth.
I immediately pushed him away with both of my hands against his chest and told him if he ever did that to me again I wouldn’t be so nice about it the next time.
I walked away. All I could think about was getting to a bathroom as fast as possible to rinse the taste of him out of my mouth.
I felt disgusted and violated.
But he didn’t stop there.
The tour wrapped and on Christmas Eve we began the 36-hour trip home to L.A. After 2 weeks of grueling travel and performing I was exhausted. When our C-17 cargo plane took off from Afghanistan I immediately fell asleep, even though I was still wearing my flak vest and Kevlar helmet.
It wasn’t until I was back in the US and looking through the CD of photos we were given by the photographer that I saw this one:
I couldn’t believe it. He groped me, without my consent, while I was asleep.
I felt violated all over again. Embarrassed. Belittled. Humiliated.
How dare anyone grab my breasts like this and think it’s funny?
http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
That was taken on a 2006
That was taken on a 2006 iPhone!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Full spectrum and free range
Can't deny how much of a dip
Can't deny how much of a dip shit move that was.
Speaking of dip shit, You "think he's hittin' that" baller?
Now adjust your sweater vest and get back to your card catalog!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough
Once he broke Jerry's Guitar,
Once he broke Jerry's Guitar, it was only a matter of time until he got into groping Female military personnel.
I believe that we all wish him the best of rehabilitation in the Labor Camp.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: I rang a silent bell
"I certainly don't remember
"I certainly don't remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way, but I send my sincerest apologies to Leeann," said a statement released by Franken's Senate office. "As to the photo, it was clearly intended to be funny but wasn't. I shouldn't have done it."
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
You gave up moral outrage or
You gave up moral outrage or pointing out hypocrisy when you hitched your party to Trump. Republicans used to at least have some plausible deniability with their finger wagging, but now you just look like idiots.
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That photo. Not a good look,
That photo. Not a good look, Al.
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I hope the floodgates are
I hope the floodgates are about to break open
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Yeah c'mon Thom, he was just
Yeah c'mon Thom, he was just joking. Just yukkin it up.
clearly
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
IMHO, the photo is much less
IMHO, the photo is much less egregious than the alleged forced tonguing.
At least his hands aren't getting through the Kevlar vest. If he was doing this to a man (or shaving an eyebrow, spraying shaving cream on his face, etc), it would most likely be laughed off.
But, he is doing this to a woman, And as this is paired with the alleged sexual assault, it definitely comes across as a sexual power play, whether he was conscious of this or not.
IMHO, of course.
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In before Surfdead says she
In before Surfdead says she was asking for it with that outfit.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond
When Trump resigns Al should
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back
I knew as soon I saw the news
I knew as soon I saw the news that there would already be a Thom thread when I went to the Zone
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I mean she was a playboy
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond
And for the dolts in the room
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Al should resign
Al should resign
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Spikenyc
I think she is Shannon Tweed
I think she is Shannon Tweed's sister, wife of Gene Simmons.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: I rang a silent bell
Where was the outrage when this happened?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Could be the demon that drove
Could be the demon that drove her to the bottle or needle.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Back to Back
Franken has issued a strong
Franken has issued a strong statement --
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Please explain this for us
Please explain this for us Thom
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-accused-rape-attempted-rape-162434352.html
When Has Trump Been Accused of Rape or Attempted Rape? Allegations Include a Child, His Wife and a Business Associate
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Chavo
Right now Al is on the phone
Right now Al is on the phone with Phil.
Al: Hey buddy um ah remember all that footage that didn't make it on the dvd's?
Phil: Haha of course good times.
Al: Well I got a favor to ask.
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>> Where was the outrage when
>> Where was the outrage when this happened?
You know the difference between consensual and non-consensual?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Remember a few weeks ago when
Remember a few weeks ago when Dems were saying it was early Christmas hearing about Manafort and Papadopolous.
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"Me, Al Franken"
"Me, Al Franken"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Seems like Franken is trying
Seems like Franken is trying to head off calls for his resignation by asking for an ethics investigation. Franken likely assumes that his colleagues will be a bit sympathetic and that censure would be the worst outcome of the investigation. I bet there are there are more than a few Reps and Senators who are dreading a similar accusation.
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^^ That all seems correct
^^ Spot on
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
What should happen to his
What should happen to his salary?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Chavo
What should happen to his
What should happen to his salary?
How about using it to pay down that 15mil the congress critters racked up grabbing asses.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba
Lets see, started off at
Lets see, started off at Hooters, worked her way up to being a playboy bunny, yep... and she's on Hannity and other Faux programs, could there be more to this story?
(personally I say scrutinize all sides often, equally, and for the same reasons... but since facts are no longer facts, I'm just hoping to be entertained, sigh)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Where Does The Time Go?
to be fair, there is no
to be fair, there is no physical contact in the photo, only a pantomime groping.
not to say kissing someone without consent is proper conduct. that is def not cool.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sun so hot, clouds so low
If Al Frankin is the
If Al Frankin is the sacrificial lamb needed to bring real change it's ok. I'm not saying he's an innocent lamb or that his actions are ok. But....
Maybe he could return to Weekend Update?
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Eh fire his ass too. Tired of
Eh fire his ass too. Tired of all these perverts and sickies in postions of power. If you cant respect your fellow human go work in the private sector or get some help. Frankin, Clinton, Bush, Trump, Moore and the rest of them. Get rid of them all. Aren't there any decent normal, non racist or sexually perverse, people out there to run this country? Why are all these deviants in these postions in the first place?
Its like everyone is too high on dope to elect decent representitives or we really just dont care and just like having the clowns around to cheer up our days. I really dont get it.
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https://www.huffingtonpost
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dccc-record-fundraising-numbers-oct...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: vivalavuvuzela
I'd say a safe assumption is
I'd say a safe assumption is that most men of power/wealth have at least arguably crossed the line at some point. If not blatantly, with pressing unwelcome advances. Especially under the current climate and ruleset... not hard to find something at all.
Just like it's a safe assumption to assume most good looking women have abused the 'power' of their looks and men's desires at some point in their lives.
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All looks like he just
Al looks like he just blasted a fat rail up his beak in that pic, doesn't he?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Deadly
Is it the Al Franken decade
Is it the Al Franken decade again?????
Or Stuart Smalley?
Doggone it (some) people like [him]. (H.I.M)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Back in the day, you could be
Back in the day, you could be accused of sexual harassment and still be elected president.
I bet Al wishes it was still 2016.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: tomrobin
Impeach Franken, he's been a
Impeach Franken, he's been a buffoon in office anyway
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how so?
how so?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
I'm not sure buffoonery rises
I'm not sure buffoonery rises to the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors".
Although I guess a fat rail could be considered a high crime.
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Al, ya screwed up, Bud.
Al, ya screwed up, Bud.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
Female Former Franken
Female Former Franken Staffers Say He Was A ‘Champion For Women’
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/female-franken-staffers_us_5a0f060a...
“Many of us spent years working for Senator Franken in Minnesota and Washington,” eight woman said in a statement released Friday. “In our time working for the Senator, he treated us with the utmost respect. He valued our work and our opinions and was a champion for women both in the legislation he supported and in promoting women to leadership roles in our offices.”
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
yeah, maybe Franken only
yeah, maybe Franken only objectifies Playboy model.
and I support Al Franken 100% as a champion of women's rights, etc.
should he have pretended to grope the kevlar encased boobies for the camera? probably not. should he have kissed a consenting partner for an acting/comedy sketch? I don't see the crime here. and no, I don't believe that he stuck his tongue down her throat.
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^Nancy, I can't tell if you
^Nancy, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
I'm feeling violated and
I'm feeling violated and triggered by that question, Johnny. *
*sarcasm
and No.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
'preciate the *edit, Nancy.
'preciate the *edit, Nancy.
I have been having some very passionate conversations with the women in my social circle.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Yeah, me too. I've been
Yeah, me too. I've been accused of promoting rape culture by defending Al Franken.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Give him a raise. They aren't
Give him a raise. They aren't paid enough.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
I need to find a safe space
I need to find a safe space now. This topic just too traumatic for me and I'm feeling that no one is taking my feelings seriouslee. ***
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
I am trying, really trying to
I am trying, really trying to see the point of view of women like this friend. Trying, but not successful, because to me language - when accusing someone of sexual assault - needs to be damn precise. and truthful. huge difference between PRETENDING to grope someone and actually groping someone. Just ask my titties.
>That looks like groping, that would feel like groping /unwanted touch. I can’t believe you’re challenging her based on her language not being precise...
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Male sexual assault is so
Male sexual assault is so trendy right now. Nothing better for the public to feel good about themselves than stories about famous people being complete assholes, am I right?
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It’s a real sign of progress
It’s a real sign of progress in the Republican Party when a woman who has posed in Playboy magazine can also appear on Fox News as a political pundit rather than as an object of ridicule and scorn for being a person of low morals.
I wonder if she has to be SUPER racist to fit in over there given her past though.
Interesting times
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Wait until they hear he’s
Wait until they hear he’s taken lsd
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Full spectrum and free range
2 post Thom.
2 post Thom.
You feel the same way about this?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
I believe we're reaching a
I believe we're reaching a tipping point here where the tide is going to turn back on the #metoo movement.
I'm waiting for the good ol' "look at this slut's sexual history!" meme to rear it's ugly head sooner than later.
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Gotta love hypocritical
Gotta love hypocritical Republicans like this anti LBGT family values guy.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/11/ohio_legislator_wes_goo...
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Does al get a pass cause he’s
Does al get a pass cause he’s Grateful Dead affiliated?
oh and Mark Clinton actually succeeded trump as a president sexual harasser just to be fair.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: troubador
There are plenty of new
There are plenty of neo liberals trying to “excuse” Al Franken. The hypocrisy is thick. He needs to resign. At least this liberal thinks so.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Stupid liberals willing to
Stupid liberals willing to sacrifice one of the best Senators and Champion of Women's rights in the Senate over a this?! Gimme a break. He accepted responsibility and the woman accepted his apology. Move on to bigger ethical violations that pose a real threat to our democracy. Al Franken ain't the problem.
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https://www.alfranken.com
https://www.alfranken.com/donate/e130719/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
>>>Champion of Women's rights
>>>Champion of Women's rights
By "champion" I assume you mean "grab"; and by "women's rights" I assume you mean "her tits while she's sleeping".
Good stuff, Nanc.
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Franken may be sorry; he may
Franken may be sorry; he may have written a good apology. He may even be seeking to provide relief in other ways to victims of unwanted sexual advances and assault. But no one of those things means he ought to stay in office. Neo-liberals ought to take this opportunity to prove that no matter the party someone ascribes to, they will be held accountable for their actions.
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nancy wants oprah and colbert
nancy wants oprah and colbert to be on a ticket....or some stupid bs like that. was it tom hanks? yeah, stupid liberals indeed.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
We got this.
We got this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CBUxNeXgC70
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Highnote
I think we need to look at
I think we need to look at patterns and or legality. I think the thing that separates Franken from all these other cases is that it was one instance as far as we know. There isn't a pattern of harassment or assault and he didn't deny it. He apologized fully. So the next question is about forgiveness. Who's forgiveness is needed for him to keep his job? His victim, his constituents, his peers? I don't know. I don't think it's always black and white.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Full spectrum and free range
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One time is one one time too
One time is one time too many.
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https://www.axios.com/top-u-s
https://www.axios.com/top-u-s-nuclear-commander-says-he-would-refuse-ill...
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Btw Tweeden accepted his
Btw Tweeden accepted his apology and does not demand that he step down. Zero tolerance for all? Case by case determination?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba
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...and the tide begins to
...and the tide begins to turn.
This should be interesting.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
It isn't interesting already?
It isn't interesting already?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Full spectrum and free range
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(No subject)
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Lol.
Lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Full spectrum and free range
2013
2013
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
She's a good actress, I'll
She's a good actress, I'll give her that.
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Her crying scene with Jake
Her crying scene with Jake Tapper deserves an Oscar.
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^^ Can't tell by the pic,
^^ Can't tell by the pic, think the tongue was involved?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
She was so disgusted she ran
She was so disgusted she ran to the bathroom to wash her mouth out after kissing him. yeah...
Suckers. And stupid fucking Liberals for taking the Breitbart bait
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She's a west coaster, right?
She's a west coaster, right? Have you ever listened to her "talk show", Nancy?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Nope
Nope. Tell me more
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
Doesn't she have a radio show
Doesn't she have a radio show?
Yes, she does - on KABC, 790 AM from 5 - 10AM.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Haha, nope as in I've never
Haha, nope as in I've never listened to her show.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
That's understandable. Why
That's understandable. Why would you? Based on this story - she seems about as believable as a lame David Cassidy joke on a dbmb.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: The Sound of Steam and Caffeine
Pretend-groping of a Playboy
Pretend-groping of a Playboy bunny performing at a USO show is not remotely equivalent to pursuing teenage girls at the local mall or high school, or to using your power in an industry to extort sex from women whose careers you can make or break.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
You guys are doing a great
You guys are doing a great job of discrediting this woman.
That'll teach her to come forward with sexual assault claims supported by photographic evidence against a powerful man.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Nice to see you champion this
Nice to see you champion this woman, St Mark, You are a true hero.*
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
I was told that Mark has a
I was told that Mark has a secret crush on her.
Whoops! I was supposed to keep that quiet.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Full spectrum and free range
Mark- Shouldn't we look at
Mark - Shouldn't we look at ALL the facts?
or should we just take her word for it??
If he did these things she's alleged, no doubt he should be dealt with.
But, c'mon man...
You really don't see what's going on here?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _
You're a trash piece of human
You're a a couple pieces of human trash, Six and Nanc. Just to be clear.
Two elite white pieces of shit patting each other on the back. I love it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Here's a pat on the back for
Here's a pat on the back for you, Ateix for stirring the shit. You are the best. I love your spirit, I really do. Keep up the great work here. Trolls R US
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>> what's going on here?
>> what's going on here?
Uh, yeah. Elite white liberals discrediting a woman because the person she's accusing is on their "side."
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Don't worry about the back
Don't worry about the back pat, Nanc. Here's an idea: why don't give yourself a nice kombucha enema instead, then have a manservant shower you with loose change.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Ateix and Mark have been
Ateix and Mark have been triggered. Have a tissue..
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>> some of the excuses for
>> some of the excuses for this pedophile and rapist are quite telling. WTF is wrong with these dotards?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Right on, Ateix. That's some
Right on, Ateix. That's some solid material. A bit sexist, and well if you want us to believe that you really care about women's rights you might need to tone it down a bit.
Al Franken is neither a rapist nor a pedophile. But if you're here to promote the Breitbart agenda you're doing a fine job.
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You are so far up your own
You are so far up your own ass I doubt even in your sunny, affluent, Caucasian neighborhood you've seen the light since... what, Nov 2016?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force
Watch out, looks like Latex
Watch out folks,
looks like Latex already had a couple of beers today...lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Do you laugh at your own
Do you laugh at your own material, son?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: vivalavuvuzela
>Btw Tweeden accepted his
>Btw Tweeden accepted his apology and does not demand that he step down. Zero tolerance for all? Case by case determination?
I applaud your objectivity and sensible moderate thought. Kudos.
But ain't nobody got time for that - Now you're just a magnet for the detached SJWs thirsting for the next villain and looking for a fight. Good luck.
I agree with Nancy. Franken is NOT a person we should be comfortable losing to this wave. And such a weak case in this particular instance, honestly.
Ugly times we are in... and just keeps getting uglier. :/
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Have a tissue indeed.Haha! Go
Have a tissue indeed.Haha! Go run along and make up some more David Cassidy jokes.
You're worse than human trash, ateix. You're the scum that sits at the bottom of the trash barrel - plus I don;t even think you're human. Aren't you some kind of cockroach larvae?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Pretty funny watching him
Latex and Mark as SJW's are too fuckin funny.
They must look adorable in their pink pussy hats :)
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I consider getting called
I consider getting called trash by someone who refutes the claims of women because it doesn't line up with their pathetic world view as a compliment. You keep doing you, Sixer, ya sad lilywhite fuck.
Nancy, I got nothing for you, maybe you can get some light come next election cycle assuming your mind isn't completely broken by then.
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Where did I refute her claims
Where did I refute her claims - genius. Please show me.
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4.8
4.8
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You know when RRG is in a
You know when RRG is in a thread it's the lowest common denominator form of a steaming heap of white trash so I am out baby, you guys enjoy your pathetic neo liberal circlekjerk.
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>>>Mark - Shouldn't we look
>>>Mark - Shouldn't we look at ALL the facts?
You mean the picture where Franken is grabbing her tits while she's passed out?
And yeah. Take a lap Nancy. You too, Six. You can put your crochet pussy hats back on when this thing blows over.
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I'm waiting, ateix. Or are
Take a lap up your ass, Mark.
I'm waiting, ateix. Show me in which post in this thread I refuted her claims. Or are you already crying and pouting?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
He ain't grabbing her tits.
He ain't grabbing her tits. He's pretending to. There's no way he can even reach her titties. But I'm sorry you feel violated and triggered by the photo. When you're ready perhaps you can share your story of being with a comedian who pretended to grope you?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force
Don't forget your pink pussy
Don't forget your pink pussy hat Latex.
Xo
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
>>so I am out baby
>>so I am out baby
Run away and cry. lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
She's wearing a flak jacket!
She's wearing a flak jacket!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Shit Ateix, that’s three
Shit Ateix, that’s three people in one thread that you have made up lies about, berated and harassed.
Nice work.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: charmskooldropout
Judit should step in here and
Judit should step in here and do some moderating. Too fangy
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I have to ask, why exactly
I have to ask, why exactly didn’t Mark and Ateix go after Zooey in the same way they did Six and Nancy? She said much more.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
https://www.vivalazone.org
https://www.vivalazone.org/other-stuff/today-international-day-peace
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Hush, BK.
Hush, BK.
We don't want to get HR involved here, do we?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
Timmy - the epitome of "peace
Timmy - the epitome of a "peace"maker. lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
The Viva HR Department is
The Viva HR Department is currently over-taxed and under-staffed.
I did ask a simple question, Mark. Why didn’t you go after Zooey?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
Mark won;t answer your
Mark won't answer your question, Brian. He's too busy being a comedian.
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I didn't read Zooey's comment
I didn't read Zooey's comment. Post it and I'll pass my righteous judgment upon it.
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It’s up there, in this thread
It’s up there, in this thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: St. Mark
Still not seeing it.
Still not seeing it.
Maybe it's my confirmation bias?
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No, it's just your selective
No, it's just your selective assholery.
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1:15 today
1:15 today
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maybe because she has zero
maybe because she has zero history of annoying or attacking people?
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>>>>>You're a a couple pieces
>>>>>You're a a couple pieces of human trash, Six and Nanc. Just to be clear
I like Nancy.
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Ouch. Timmy doesn't like me.
Ouch. Timmy doesn't like me. I wonder if he thinks I give a shit.
Justt to be clear.
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Can’t see the forest through
Can’t see the forest through the trees...
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I don't disagree with Zooey.
I don't disagree with Zooey. Groping isn't the same thing as being a child molester or a rapist.
Hope that clears things up for you, Bk. I know this stuff is a little confusing.
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I’m only confused by the
I’m only confused by the subjective indignation.
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I clean pools.
I clean pools.
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>>>>>Ouch. Timmy doesn't like
>>>>>Ouch. Timmy doesn't like me
I never said that. You’re always adding to what people post. I don’t know you. Surely you’re not the pathetic stick in the mud you play here in real life.
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where's foghorne?
where's foghorne?
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Spirit quest maybe?
Vision quest maybe?
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not sure foghorn has been the
not sure foghorn has been the same since the fafa banning.
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Stop the madness!
Stop the madness!
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>>>>>not sure foghorn has
>>>>>not sure foghorn has been the same since the fafa banning
Too many bannings, not enough hos
Too many 6s, not enough pros
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Too many 6s. Yes, there's Fo6
Too many 6s. Yes, there's Fo6 and now Sixrock and of course there's me - more are coming. My minions are gathering and I shall rule the zone! Muahahahahahahaha!
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Six's evil laugh is kind of
Six's evil laugh is kind of effeminate.
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Hush, Mark. Don't be such a
Hush, Mark. Don't be such a sexist. Be open and accepting of all strains.
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>>>Hussssss, Mark!!!
>>>Hussssss, Mark!!!
Fixed that for ya.
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>>>Hissssss Mark, like the
>>>Hissssss Mark, like the snake you are.
Fixed it again.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20
"I felt gross. It'd be like being walking through the mall and some random person grabbing your butt," Lindsay Menz said. "You just feel gross. Like ew, I want to wash that off of me."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-20...
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Another woman is accusing Al
Another woman is accusing Al Franken of bad touch.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/20/politics/al-fran...
Edit: Ender beat me to it.
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But he's Al Franken and you
But he's Al Franken and you're not.
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Investigate it!
Investigate it!
Meanwhile...
Leann Tweeden deleted ALL photos up to 2012.
Why would she want/have to do that?
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>> Why would she want/have to
>> Why would she want/have to do that?
People are slut shaming her?
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Must be because she's a lying
Must be because she's a lying whore, right tod?
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Who said that?
Who said that?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: charmskooldropout
I said it for you
I said it for you
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>>> Must be because she's a
>>> Must be because she's a lying whore, right tod?
IDGAF About none of that.
Those pics are her doing her thing.
You don't think they're relevant?
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>>> I said it for you
>>> I said it for you
Listen motherfucker I don't play that shit!
You speak for yourself
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apparently you do play that
apparently you do play that shit
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Hounder- I'll keep this real
Hounder- I'll keep this real simple for you.
Are those pics relevant?
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>> I wonder if he thinks I
>> I wonder if he thinks I give a shit.
Justt to be clear.
super clear lol
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No need to keep it simple I
No need to keep it simple I understand how the blame the victim game is played. She's kissed men before so therefore she must want all men to kiss her.
But keep trying to pretend you meant something different
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Go project your shit on
Go project your shit on someone else.
You answered my question.
Thanks!
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Hounder is spot on with his
Hounder is spot on with his assessment here, as usual.
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The lesson here is that
The lesson here is that harassment is a 2-way street. Women shouldn't be grabbing men's asses or sticking their tongues down throats without prior consent. The fact that she did such things does not make it okay to do to her, in the least. It could, however, create a confusing situation.
Lest we forget, there are some weird societal norms at play. When a male teacher sleeps with a female student, everyone knows it's wrong. Even to this day, that doesn't hold exactly true when a hot female teacher sleeps with a male student. It's all equally as wrong.
From here on out, when someone feels that they are being harassed on Viva, all you have to do is nicely ask the offender to "please stop." I'm sure they will because they don't want to play into those double standards.
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Why didn't you refer to the
Why didn't you refer to the male teacher as hot?
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how about a not so hot female
how about a not so hot female teacher?
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>how about a not so hot
>how about a not so hot female teacher?<
that is assault.
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What about nuns?
What about nuns?
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Because when a male teacher
Because when a male teacher does it, it doesn't matter what they look like, nor should it. It's a crime. The crime gets portrayed as "lesser" when the female teacher is attractive, especially by males.
I'm guessing that this is an effort in futility, and that you all aren't actually looking for a real discussion.
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Are girls attracted to male
Are girls attracted to male teachers for different reasons?
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I think what BK is trying to
I think what BK is trying to say is All Lives Matter
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sting has a song about all of
sting has a song about all of this from a male perspective.
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Good point, Turtle.
Good point, Turtle.
Hot for Teacher vs. Don't Stand So Close to Me
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If you aren't socially
If you aren't socially calibrated enough to understand the duplicitous nature of inter-sexual dynamics, you are part of the problem.
Seriously.
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Maybe some people, even males
Maybe some people, even males, understand the problem in a deeper way than do you.If that's the case, then you are part of the problem.
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No. You and I are just
No. You and I are just different kinds of men, BK.
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again tod, I'm projecting for
again tod, I'm projecting for you since you seem to have a hard time saying what you really mean. Last time I'm going to explain this for you. I don't have the patience for people that are as slow on the uptake as you seem to be.
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We are, Mark, and I’m okay
We are, Mark, and I’m okay with that. If you’re inferring that you are better, well, have fun with that.
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Fuck are you guys even
Fuck are you guys even talking about?
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Here's Al Franken with a
Here's Al Franken with a handful of Arianna Huffington during a photoshoot from 2000.
Awkward.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/883718001
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I’m not really sure, Timpane.
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Creeper.
Creeper.
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Tough year. Never before
Tough year. Never before have I been embarrassed to be a US citizen and a male.
Apparently, the women and the Chinese are smarter.
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>>>>I think that it’s Mark’s
>>>>I think that it’s Mark’s treatise on “woke,”
I think it's funny you're trying (hard) to conflate my position with some SJW meme. Lol
Good stuff, BK.
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Arianna Huffington speaks out
Arianna Huffington speaks out on Al Franken groping her:
“The notion that there was anything inappropriate in this photo shoot is truly absurd,” she said in a statement. “Al and I did a comedic sketch for Bill Maher’s Politically Incorrect called ‘Strange Bedfellows,’ in which the whole point, as the name makes clear, was that we were doing political commentary from bed. This shoot was looking back at the sketch, and we were obviously hamming it up for comedic effect.”
“I’ve been great friends with Al and his wife Franni for over 20 years and there has never been anything remotely inappropriate in our interactions,” Huffington added.
http://amp.thedailybeast.com/bill-maher-disputes-ny-post-story-accusing-...
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I think it's funny that you
I think it's funny that you are able to judge others in the way you do, based on virtually nothing. That's exact;y what your "different types of men" comment was.
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is that a real pic?
is that a real pic?
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>>>That's exact;y what your
>>>That's exact;y what your "different types of men" comment was.
You agreed with that comment. What's the problem?
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And the apologias begin......
And the apologias begin......
When Our Allies Are Accused of Harassment
Last Thursday, after a photograph emerged of Senator Al Franken either groping or pretending to grope a sleeping woman, Leeann Tweeden, with whom he’d been traveling on a 2006 U.S.O. tour, I wrote that he should resign. Almost as soon as it was published I started having second thoughts. I spent all weekend feeling guilty that I’d called for the sacrifice of an otherwise decent man to make a political point.
Then I saw the news that a woman named Lindsay Menz accused Franken of grabbing her butt while they posed for a photo at the Minnesota State Fair in 2010, when he was a senator, and I read Franken’s lame non-denial: “I feel badly that Ms. Menz came away from our interaction feeling disrespected.”
Yet I am still not sure I made the right call.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/20/opinion/harassment-allis-franken.html...
If their going to let Al slide you can bet that Conyers will make it through as well. But of course that will harm their ability to go after the Big Kahuna.
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Turts, it’s a real photo but
Turts, it’s a real photo but it’s been photoshopped.
Not the head that goes on that body.
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The veiled slam, Mark, but
The veiled slam, Mark, but you already know that. What you were really saying is that you are better.
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>>> is that a real pic?
>>> is that a real pic?
It's definitely a photoshop.
One way to find out is the Image metadata which is text information pertaining to an image file that is embedded into the file or contained in a separate file that is associated with it. Image metadata includes details relevant to the image itself as well as information about its production.
* This is a BIGLY point on the "Boob Grab" pic. *
According to the metadata, the pic. was edited on the day Coleman conceded the election to Franken in 2009.
Also, scrubbed from the metadata, identifying info on the photographer and camera used for photo.
Which is interesting, if it was taken by the military, the metadata would show a specific Nikon that they used at the time.
* Somebody went to great lengths to "scrub" (there's that word again Thom) the photographer of that camera.
* Somebody waited a long time after editing that pic. to release it.
* Both Roger Stone and Alex Jones at 1:20 am, hours before Leann Tweeden went public with her story.
Tweeted about AL Franken's "Time in the barrel"
But hey, There's nothing suspect about this.
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How many pervs do the Dems
How many pervs do the Dems need to take control?
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Unfortunately, a large
Unfortunately, a large percentage of people seeking our vote are motivated primarily by desire for power rather than public service. These inappropriate advances and assaults are to be expected with these folks as another expression of that desire to have power over others.
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Very interesting TOD. Hope
Very interesting TOD. Hope that comes out in the ethics probe Franken himself has called for.
In local AL news a sheriff deputy goes on record as "common knowledge Moore liked young girls".
I don't know which mental image is more disgusting, Rose nekkid or Moore flouncing about in tighty whities trying to make the 14 year old.
On second thought not even close.
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>>> Very interesting TOD.
>>> Very interesting TOD.
Also, Tweeden claims the *Boob grab pic.* was taken Christmas Eve 2006.
Metadata says it was taken on Dec. 21, 2006.
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Two more women have accused
Two more women have accused Al Franken of bad touch #metoo.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a15a455e4b09650...
'We Stood Next To Each Other ... And Down His Hand Went’
"The first woman, a 38-year-old book editor who was living in Minneapolis at the time, told HuffPost that she had just finished performing with a feminist choir at the Women’s Political Caucus event, which Franken and his wife, Franni Bryson, attended.
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One woman said Franken groped
https://www.axios.com/two-more-women-accuse-franken-2511767648.html?utm_...
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>>The veiled slam, Mark, but
>>The veiled slam, Mark, but you already know that. What you were really saying is that you are better.
derp
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Mark is better at this than
Mark is better at this than you are. Just saying.
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who isn't better than BK?
an ameba is better than BK
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*amoeba
*amoeba
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TOD,
TOD,
Editing the metadata of a image in no way indicates it was was photoshopped. It's as simple as opening the properties of an image and modifying the contents of a few textboxes.
At this point zoners are denying things Franken has admitted to and has admitted he is embarrassed by. Shameful...
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>amoeba your cool
>amoeba
you're cool
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Nah I just know how to use
Nah I just know how to use spell check.
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lol its not even a wrong
truth hurts
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ameba
lol
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Unfortunately, a large
Unfortunately, a large percentage of people seeking our vote are motivated primarily by desire for power rather than public service. These inappropriate advances and assaults are to be expected with these folks as another expression of that desire to have power over others.
This. I don't care if it's the clown elected POTUS, or a famous comedian senator who dropped acid once or twice. They're both rapey and disgusting. Fuck this shit. Franken should resign, as should trumplestiltskin, but neither will because there's misogynist apologists on both sides excusing their reprehensible behavior.
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spell check is the idiot
spell check is the idiot light of the internet
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Probs
Probs
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Oops - didn't mean to exclude
Oops - didn't mean to exclude entertainers.
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I didn't notice you omission.
I didn't notice you omission. FWIW Charlie Rose got fired.
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Claiming that Al Franken is
Probably going to trigger Dise by saying this, but what the hell. Claiming that Al Franken is "rapey" is idiotic. Then again, so was falling for the Russian propaganda and supporting that dipshit Jill Stein.
>I feel exploited. And I feel sick.
I’m sick of pedophiles. I’m sick of rapists. I’m sick of sexual violence and sexual predators. I am sick of being reminded moment after moment of the times — yes plural — that I have been shocked out of my body, stripped of my power and deprived of the right to defend my own body by a man sexually forcing himself onto me. More than that, I’m sick of my traumas and the traumas of other survivors being exploited for political gain and emotional satisfaction on both the left and the right. Physically. Sick.
I am sick to know that I cannot protect myself or my daughter from the pussy grabbing woman hater that controls every single law and policy that guides this nation. I am sick to know that Roy Moore exists on this planet and that there are millions of people supportive of a known pedophile holding power over millions upon millions of women and girls in the state of Alabama and the United States. I am sick that a member of the Trump campaign and former state Senator in Oklahoma plead guilty to child trafficking.
And I am sick that people like Leeanne Tweeden feel comfortable enough to take the traumas of the women and children that have been the true victims of sexual violence and used them for her own personal gains and the political goals of the Republican Party.
Leeanne Tweeden is the woman that recently accused Al Franken of sexually violating her at a rehearsal for a USO comedy show in 2006. Her decision to take her story public after 10 years of “silence” has been framed by both the left and the right as a survivors’ act of bravery that demands immediate attention and strict consequences.
I see Leeanne Tweeden’s actions quite differently.
What Leeanne Tweeden has done is stolen the very real traumas of very survivors — people like me — and mocked them. What she has done is taken our pain and our bravery and our strength and exploited it on behalf of a network of people that actively prey on the women and children she is pretending to show solidarity with. What she is doing is vile and it is disgusting and it is dangerous on every personal and political level associated with sexual assault in the United States.
Perhaps if she was, in fact, a survivor of sexual assault she would understand the damage that is being caused by her actions. But she is not a survivor. And she is definitely not a victim of Al Franken.
Leeanne was never raped. She was never assaulted. And she was never the victim of sexual violence or harassment. She was a willing and active participant in a comedy show that involved sexualized behaviors. She consented to participating. She actively engaged in and invited similar behaviors with other performers other than Al Franken at the event.
As recently and clearly described by journalist S. Novi:
“Both SNL and USO stage skits are well-known to be over the top when it comes to topics such as sex, but the USO performances are even more so due to the audience of mostly military males. Since the days of Bob Hope, there have always been beautiful bombshell women showing up in scanty outfits and sexual dialogue running from innuendos to outright blatant views. If you are either a male or female performing in these shows you are expected to play along.
…. there are a number of images as well as videos appearing that show that Tweeden didn’t seem to have a problem with sexual performances on stage including that of her grabbing the butt of a Country and Western performer and rubbing her behind up against him and the singer grabbing at her butt. Additional videos of the tour have included a very sexual performance with the comedian Robin Williams as well as the real on-stage ‘kiss’ with Franken.
In this case, we have a woman that signed up for known sexually oriented skits and performances that she approved of, and rehearsed, and then performed many of them onstage in both a preplanned and ad hoc way.”
Leanne Tweeden was a consenting and contracted performer for the USO then, just as she is a contracted performer for the right wing now. She was not then and is not now a survivor. She was not then and is not now a victim of Al Franken.
Al Franken’s tasteless joke didn’t make her fear for her life. It didn’t make her burn the clothes she was wearing that night. It didn’t make her scrub herself clean in the shower until her skin tore off. This joke didn’t keep her up shaking and puking and sobbing on the floor of a shower as she bled down a drainpipe. It didn’t send her to the clinic for STD tests.
Al Franken’s joke didn’t crush her notion of who she was or how she could walk in this world. This joke didn’t give her PTSD or depression or any of the lasting forms of struggle that true rape and assault victims must face minute by minute. It hasn’t informed every relationship she’s had since. And it wasn’t in any way what so ever a form of rape, assault or even harassment.
Leeanne Tweeden was not then and is not now a victim. A very large part of me wishes she had been, though.
As a survivor and active member in the struggle to protect and progress civil rights in the United States, I have a track-record of confronting both the Democratic and the Republican party for abuses. If Tweeden was a victim of a violent and predatory Al Franken, I would have stood right by her side and called for an investigation of the Senator and his immediate removal from office. I would have gladly lumped his name into a category with Roy Moore and Donald Trump and Roger Ailes and Henry Weinstein. I would have written an article about how we can’t entrust or bodies to legislators that will assault our women and children and legally enable the predators to get away with similar crimes no matter what side of the aisle we come from.
She is not a victim. She is not an ally. And she is not a survivor. Those words have meaning. Those words hold weight. And she has not earned her right to wear those badges.
What Tweeden is, is a willing participant in a new skit in which the Republican Party uses her completely normal interaction with Al Franken as an excuse to accuse a Democratic Senator of sexual assault, deflect from the charges of rape and pedophilia in the highest ranks of their own party, and test drive a strategy by which they can gain increasing amounts of power by exploiting the sexual traumas of women and children.
And their plan is working. Almost inexplicably.
Politics isn’t a game of morality. Clearly. Wins and losses are accomplished on the basis of strategy. And right now, the Democratic Party is letting a pussy grabbing steak salesman and a bigoted gun toting pedophile out-strategize them with some of the most remedial and ridiculous strategies in the book: deflection.
For example, these lines of argument may sound familiar:
It’s the left that is racially dividing the country, not the alt-right. It’s the Clinton’s relationship with Russia that is suspicious, not Trump’s. It is the left that has destroyed healthcare, not the GOP. The Democrats are the Party of the KKK, not the Republicans.
That’s because one of the most common rhetorical strategies employed by the Republican Party is to deflect an accusation by turning the charges on them around to the accuser. And as common and predictable as this strategy is — the Democrats still haven’t come up with a consistent method to counter it.
Just as in any game of competition, and especially political competition, one side can only succeed if the other side fails to stop them. And fail is exactly what the Democrats are doing. Failing.
Rather than taking a stand against the exploitation of sexual assault survivors, they are allowing the Republican Party to use our trauma as a cover to advance their own political agendas. Worse, they have taken the political bait hook, line, and sinker and rather than launching a full-scale counterattack on the GOP, they have turned on themselves and started calling for the resignation of a member of their own party.
Rather than focusing on accusations against Donald Trump, Roy Moore or Ralph Shortey — the attention is turned onto Minnesota Senator Al Franken. Not only do the Republicans succeed in turning the attention away from themselves, but they succeed in turning the Democrats against each other. And the final narrative becomes:
It’s not the Republican Party supporting pussy grabbers and pedophilia. It’s the Democrats!
The Democratic Party is practically handing the nation’s women and children over to pedophiles and rapists simply because they asked them to. And if we let Senators like Al Franken — representatives that have voting records filled with support for women’s rights — fall to pedophiles like Roy Moore, then we are allowing the real traumas of exploited women be used as an excuse to put more women and girls in harm’s way.
This is what terrifies me most.
One of the key functions of the Democratic Party is supposed to be to protect its constituents and the nation from attacks by the Republican Party. They are supposed to have an exhaustive list of narratives strong enough to counter the most complex of political accusations, in addition to this predictable, rookie-level attempt to lump Al Franken into the same category as Roy Moore. They are supposed to have the media and legal prowess attuned enough to protect both the leaders and the members of the Democratic party from these predictable but incredibly dangerous attacks. The Democratic Party is supposed to ensure that a pussy grabber and a party of pedophiles don’t get to control how we talk about sexual violence let alone what we do about it.
And they have failed to execute their duties. In fact, they’re carrying out the agenda of the Republican Party for them.
The Democrats and members of the left have called for the removal of Senator Franken and an investigation into Tweeden’s right wing backed accusations. They have failed to protect true victims of sexual assault from Republican exploitation. They refused to counter the narrative that Al Franken’s completely legally, nonviolent and consensual interactions with Leeanne Tweeden should be equated with sexual harassment, assault and pedophilia. And they have all but totally succumb to calls for the investigation and removal of Al Franken.
It clearly cannot be denied that sexual violence exists on both sides of the political aisle, but it is the Republican Party that has perfected the technique of weaponizing and exploiting these traumas for their own personal gain. It also cannot be denied that the Republican Party is on the offense when it comes to applying this repugnant tactic.
If the Democrats can’t figure out how to counter this most obvious and basic strategy to use sexual assault as a front to advance their political agendas and damage the Democratic Party, then this strategy is likely to destroy the standing of more than just Al Franken.
There is no shortage of Tweedens standing in line to gain 5 minutes of fame and a right-wing paycheck to be used as a grenade to blow up the next Democratic target. And there is no shortage of targets. If the Democratic party continues to let the Republican Party beat them with the most obvious and low hanging strategies, what hope do we have that they can counter any of the more complex attacks on this nation and the people in it? If the Democratic Party keeps allowing the Republican Party to blur the lines between sexual violence and sexualized behavior, they are putting more women and children in the hands of unthinkably powerful predators — and they are paving the path for the destruction of the entire Democratic Party at their violent and perverse hands.
- Dr. GS Potter
https://medium.com/@SIIPCampaigns/a-survivors-defense-of-al-franken-ea99...
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Wow. The crazy is strong in
Wow. The crazy is strong in that rant.
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fast draw there, St Mark!
fast draw there, St Mark! I was expecting Dise to fire the first shots.
(((finger on the trigger)))
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I've been monitoring this
I've been monitoring this thread closely, Nanc.
Honestly kind of surprised you're still defending this guy after the additional accusations surfaced.
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Keep Al and the rest of the
Keep Al and the rest of the Dem party. $500 per day per senator and rep.
Useless pet rocks
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And keep blaming California
And keep blaming California voters.
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In the last 9 years the
In the last 9 years the ethics committee has not issued any sort of disciplinary action to anyone, so there's that....
2016 there were 63 investigations.
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>>
>> Leanne Tweeden was not then and is not now a victim. A very large part of me wishes she had been, though.
Nancy,
This is shameful. I hope you didn't read it before posting it.
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Nanc isn't about to admit she
Nanc isn't about to admit she's wrong, she never does. It's part of her charm.
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You words are shameful, Ender
You words are shameful, Ender!!! 'she was asking for it with that outfit'
see how easily it is to pull something out of context.
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I'm sure anyone can read that
I'm sure anyone can read that essay and see that's not what I did.
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I'm sure anyone can read that
I'm sure anyone can read that essay and see that's not what I did.
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Probably best just to walk
Probably best just to walk away from this one, Nanc.
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You mean how Ender runs when
You mean how Latex runs when RRG vanquishes him?! Nah.
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No. I mean more like how
No. I mean more like how every time you post in here your position somehow gets even less defensible.
That's a sure sign it's time to abandon ship.
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Have we made That silly point
Have we made That silly point about how this shit is done by many males in all situations of power, across every aspect of life/ school/ work.
So ironic is all the shock and outrage.
This is our life.
Sweet how it's all being exposed for a minute, anyway
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Doesn't look like it.
Doesn't look like it.
(((Endless pissing contest)))
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The judge decreed it, the
The judge decreed it, the clerk he wrote it.
Clerk he wrote it down indeed-e
Judge decreed it, clerk he wrote it down...
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Pelosi said dems are innocent
Pelosi said dems are innocent until proven guilty.
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Interesting comment from
Interesting comment from Pelosi.
Obviously a certified nutjob like Dr. GS "The Republicans Are Raping Our Babies!!!" Potter doesn't deserve much attention; but somebody in Pelosi's position certainly draws water on this issue.
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"I've been a champion for
"I've been a champion for women, and I know this makes this all the harder,"
-Al "Creepin' While They Sleepin'" Franken
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2 More Women Accuse Al
2 More Women Accuse Al Franken Of Sexual Misconduct
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/a-fifth-woman-has-accused-al-franke...
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Nancy? Six?
Nancy? Six?
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Street artist trolls Al
Street artist trolls Al Franken with giant billboard.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/street-artist-targets-al-franken-...
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Sounds like a vast right wing
Sounds like a vast right wing conspiracy
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Must be, Hounder.
Must be, Hounder.
I bet Dr. Potter's head finally exploded this morning. Good times.
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I figured Thom would stop by
I figured Thom would stop by to gloat by now
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Thom is probably wise enough
Thom is probably wise enough to see the other shoe is sure to drop.
It's only a matter of hours before the next round. My money is on Scott Baio.
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Full Name:
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This is totally normal
This is totally normal behavior.
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Are you okay, RRG?
Are you okay, RRG?
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Seventh Woman Accuses Sen. Al
Seventh Woman Accuses Sen. Al Franken of Sexual Misconduct
http://time.com/5052055/al-franken-sexual-misconduct-allegaton-congressi...
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All crickets in here. It'd be
All crickets in here. It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
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Are you looking for blood or
Are you looking for blood or circuses?
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I feel bad that he is
I feel bad that he is resigning tomorrow, not what I expected.
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would feel better if resigned
would you feel better if he resigned today instead?
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Maybe some more photos of the
Maybe some more photos of the accusers will help move this issue along. T.O.D.? Nanc?
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Atiex- I'll tell you what I
Atiex- I'll tell you what I told Slack when he already brought your "pic bait" question up.
You know there's a thread on that? Yeah you do...
Here's what I said to Slack:
Slack- Again, I've said from the beginning, if he did it, he's gotta go.
Who said the pics entitled him to an extra grope?
Those pics were posted as the news was breaking.
Appreciate the Vibes though...
Next time, you might want to hit your Mark.
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Right that explains why there
Right that explains why there are like half a dozen photos of Leanne Tweeden in this thread.
Also the Glenn Beck-like analysis of Tweeden's connections to a conservative conspiracy.
Also the not so subtle implication that she asked for it.
Whatever you guys gotta tell yourself. Everybody's so right these days.
Until they're wrong, that is.
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It surely is a broad topic,
It sure is a broad topic, isn't it Latex ?
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Atiex-
Atiex-
I'm only speaking on the posts and pics I posted.
IF you don't get my point of 2 sides to every story, especially in the world of "Evaporitive News". You just don't get it then.
You don't think facts such as the photo's posted (as they were breaking) matter?
Wait, the only photo that should matter is the one that supports the accuser?
Or her behavior on that day shouldn't be questioned?
That's the equivalent of me calling you a fuckstick... So that makes you a fuckstick.
As I've said all along, if he did it, he's gotta go.
If the Senate Ethics Committee finds him in the wrong.
OR he admits guilt.
Bye, Bye Al.
This isn't about him being a Deadhead or "blind faith" because he is.
This is how the system should work.
Including and not limited to:
- Bill Clinton
- Clarence Thomas
- Blake Farenholdt
- Roy Moore
- Donald Trump
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Great post T.O.D.
Great post T.O.D.
For those who need a tl;dr:
It's so tough for people to admit they are wrong.
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how is she behaving?
how was she behaving?
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>>> Great post T.O.D.
>>> Great post T.O.D.
For those who need a tl;dr:
It's so tough for people to admit they are wrong.
Glad you FINALLY came around.
I'll be here all week, try the tempeh!
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if the standard now is
if the standard now is allegations equal resigning, then many many people should be dropping shortly, yeah, probably not.
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Sure, every Dem that's every
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SNL skit from 1991 about the
SNL skit from 1991 about the Thomas hearings featuring Al Franken as Sen. Paul Simon....
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/cold-opening/n10108
Oh the irony.
Bonus point, you get to see the brilliant Phil Hartman as Ted Kennedy.
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Thom gloats over Franken as
Thom gloats over Franken as Republicans are set to send an accused child molester to the Senate.
Oh the irony.
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Excerpt from Franken's speech
Excerpt from Franken's speech -
"“I of all people am aware that there is some irony in the fact that I am leaving while a man who has bragged on tape about his history of sexual assault sits in the Oval Office and a man who has repeatedly preyed on young girls campaigns for the Senate with the full support of his party,” Franken said.
This double-standard BS in Washington, is embarassing to our country.
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Lol @ Nancy. Blindly
Lol @ Nancy. Blindly defending this creep.
Some of you were right on the money.
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Double fuck Al for this!
Double fuck Al for this!
In a CNN interview, Senator Al Franken confirmed he planned to break with voters in his state by casting his superdelegate vote for Hillary Clinton; Franken's constituents overwhelmingly selected Sen. Bernie Sanders in the state's caucuses; Franken said that by electing him to office, his constituents affirmed their confidence in his judgment.
https://www.snopes.com/al-franken-superdelegate-judgement/
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Supposedly, a former
Supposedly, a former strategist of Gray Davis, is claiming CNN and Washington Post, are working on outing 20-30 Congressional Members for Sexual Harassment.
Take it however you want...
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http://www.startribune.com
http://www.startribune.com/michele-bachmann-says-she-is-mulling-a-run-fo...
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