Amateur seeking weedgrowing advice from Zoner pros

Forums:

I haven't tried growing weed since college in the 70s. Somebody laid two little starts on me last month. Both planted from fem seed in early June.

I'm doing this just for fun. I have them on a porch away from the evil deer.

image0 (1)_8.jpeg

I repotted them in well drained organic soil and they get plenty of sun. They look happy. I know how to water correctly, but what now?

Clip? Fertilize? Repot? Screen them in from insects? Roll them under cover in storms? Leave them be? I don't mind if they stay small, but I want them healthy.

One's a regular (indica-dominant Fruit Spirit), I read that it's a 9-10 week flowering period.

image2_0.jpeg

One's an autoflower (indica-ruderalis Royal Creamatic). I read that it is ready for harvest after 12-13 weeks:

image1_4.jpeg

Because it's a recreational endeavor, I don't have the energy to read every grow book and watch every youtube. I know there are some pros out there that can help an amateur make it to harvest with some easy to follow practical advice. All input appreciated. 

First question: What size pots are those?

Mike, when I asked my wife, she said they were houseplant containers, not nursery pots.

I measured 10 inches in diameter 8 inches tall. I looked up a conversion that said about 2 - 3 gallons. They look about 2 gallon to me.

And I didn't fil them to the top. I stuck some rocks in the bottom.

Okay. You probably shouldn't repot the auto again. Autos are on a strict timeline, so you just want to let them grow. No topping, no training, and minimal disruptions. Just water it, and do regular light feedings of a flower formula since it looks like buds are starting to form already.

The photo you should transplant up to a five or seven gallon pot at least. You've still got some time on that one before flowering starts. Maybe a couple three weeks. Give it regular light feedings of veg nutes until it's into flowering.

Rocks in the bottom of your pots might help with drainage, but it looks like your soil mix has perlite in it, so the rocks aren't really necessary, and they're occupying space that could be filled with an appropriate growing medium (soil). Just don't overwater. Lift your pots right after you water, and then lift them when they're dry, but before they wilt. That's the best way to gauge when they need water.

I use General Organics nutes. You can get them on Amazon. Their veg formula is called Grow, and their flowering formula is called Bloom.

Simple enough? The only other thing I would mention is the pH of your water. Weed tends to like it in the 6.0-6.5 range, but mayeb that's something to consider for next year.

Thanks. I'm actually married to a degreed horticulturist and super gardener, but I want to do this on my own with the help of the Zone. Maybe I can impress her. So keep those cards and letters coming. 

(Also, I don't do Amazon so I'll look for local grow resources.)

(I'd put this request in the Weed folder, but does anyone really venture out of Other Stuff? With all the distressing political talk we need some distraction here.)

Funny you should mention that, Alan, I was thinking maybe we should put this thread over in the cannabis folder. You may know more about Zoner habits than I do in terms of people going to other folders. But people do go to the cannabis  folder…

like I don't know if people look at the other folders and see what dates they've been posted in To see if there's activity?

 

>more about Zoner habits than I do <

There's a lot of smoking, ball scratching, belching, cursing and deleting Google History ... that's all the G-rated info that I'd share with a lady of your caliber.

hippiecomputer_1.jpg

Alan kudos , my mom's a stone carver.. Well, she's 96 but was. love the art and its cool to start growing your own SATISFACTION....

 

 

"Don't love your plants too much"

 

>  I was thinking maybe we should put this thread over in the cannabis folder

Other Stuff is pretty much limping along lately. I'd say we can use all the action we get here.

Id recommend Smart Pots or any other brand of fabric pots. Fabric pots allow the roots to self regulate and avoid getting root bound. Bigger pots more better. Mix your own soil with the best ingredients which includes vermiculite, worm castings, guano, and soil.  Check out Fox Farm, Happy Frog or Ocean Organic. They're pretty powerful so I only use it as part of a mix. Fertilize occasionally with an organic 10-10-10 fertilizer until flowering and then 0-10-10. Never use Miracle Grow.

I think the key is a solid foundation, regular watering, occasional fertilizer, and lot's of love. Admire it and hang out with it but don't smother it.

hey thanks all. It's amazing how many little buds that autoflower has already. And that regular plant is sucking up the hot sun and seems to love our Maryland tropical humidity. I did find a little catapiller in the autoflower so he went over the railing.  

I'm partial to Smart Pots because I got a schwag black tee shirt from them at NedFest like 15 years ago and it's still going strong after a lot of use. Dumb reason I know  

My wife uses fabric pots for our potatoes and they seem to work out ok. 

If you're absolutely stuck on smart pots, buy the ones twice as big as you think you need, fill them half full, and fold the sides down. Think short and wide more than tall and deep

and mulch the soil surface! Even grass clippings are better than nothing

personally I'd have just stuck them in the raised beds in the background

Growing weed = problem solving. Sometimes the best solution is already right in front of you

ymmv

Bss thanks. The raised bed garden is the wife's new vegetable garden, not to be confused with the new rain garden, or the perennial garden, or the herb garden, or the various flower beds for the bees. (All her playgrounds... I'm in charge of the lawn.)

I've claimed the deck for my little side project, so mobile, relatively small pots it is. (I was originally enthralled with the bonsai weed plants I've seen online.) Currently I have five dispensaries within three miles of me here in the suburbs, so my little foray into horticulture has has to stay easy peezy.  Next year I may take things more seriously.  

For sure Alan. It's the journey. Always building on past lessons and steadily improving.

also you can use bacillus thurgensis in a foliar spray to keep caterpillars from eating your plants. Veggies too, especially brassicas.

every other week or so. It's very safe and effective. A quart (or less) will last you all season and most of the next one too

on a semi related note watch out for this little evil bug which is everywhere.  I've never see a pest appear and spread so fast.  Maryland is inundated. We hate em.    Chinese spotted Lanternfly -- not a real fly. 

 "A native of China, the insect was discovered in Pennsylvania in 2014 and has since spread to 13 other states. Though beautiful as an adult, the insect is a voracious eater that feeds on woody and ornamental trees as well as a wide variety of crops and plants. Left unchecked, Pennsylvania alone could lose hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of jobs."

<<<also you can use bacillus thurgensis in a foliar spray to keep caterpillars from eating your plants. Veggies too, especially brassicas.>>

VERY important to watch out for caterpillars.  The reason I say is what can happen is the caterpillar shit will cause botrytis.to occur.

I lost an entire beautiful looking fully grown Chocolate Thai plant a few years back when it was close to harvest this way.  This can happen literally overnight too.

Was in a funk for days, hope that doesn't happen to you.

One good thing about indoor is I've never had this issue.

Jorge knows this too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyJzx0uUemI

 

Hey guys --- quick question.

mite be an East Coast problem (pun intended)

What do you do about spider mites and leaf miners?

The mini auto flower seems to be doing ok -- developing into one cola. It sure smells good.

I repotted the regular plant into a bigger container (not too big as this is still a deck plant), and it looks really good, but spotted some leaf miner damage and spider mites on underside of some leaves (not all).

How extensive is the leaf miner damage? I usually see some of that every summer, but not enough that I would call it a problem. It's just something that happens when you grow outdoors.

Spider mites, on the other hand, can be very destructive. I don't have first hand experience with them, so I'll defer to others on this one, but I'm guessing some kind of action is needed.

https://www.growweedeasy.com/cannabis-plant-problems/how-to-get-rid-of-s...

Can you post pics of what you're looking at?

On Photoperiod anyway you can try trimming off a few rows of bottom growth to stimulate apical (top) activity 

I no longer mess with Autoflowers, it's a waste of money fertz and space

man, I don't see how you guys deal with farming ---  a LOT of constant attention needed. I'm glad my little "purposely stunted plants" experiment is just for fun. Still, ya gotta start somewhere.

The leaf minor damage is minimal (so far) so I just cut off the affected leaves. We have an organic insecticide soap in the house that is approved by MD Dept of Ag for medicinal plants (Bonide) but I'd prefer not to spray at all. (I know not to spray anything when flowering.)

I read that the spider mites (on the underside of some leaves) can be sprayed off with "strong" stream of water. It's been so dry here and supposedly they love that. (But I don't want to induce powdery mildew -- the thing we struggle with most in Maryland, due to our high humidity.) My resident expert (non-weed) gardener says they probably came with the plants when I got them (outdoor starts from a garden in upstate NY).

What about a homemade concoction -- like alcohol and mild dish soap? Or essential oil?

Thanks in advance for any advice or hints. 

 

 

I've sprayed diluted castile soap to get rid of aphids, and had good results with that. It's non-toxic, doesn't hang around long, and what I'm reading is it can help with spider mites too.

Safer's insecticidal soap as long as your plants don't have resin yet. (No experience with bonide specifically)

hand management if they do

"strong stream of water" just never really cut it

You'll need multiple applications to break the larval cycle

leaf miners i ignore. never had a problem with them over 10+ years of growing and thousands and thousands of pounds.

spider mites on the other hand...the only way ive ever been able to get rid of an infestation has been with strong chemical pesticides like avid, forbid, akari, hexygon, etc etc. i have not used any of those products in years and have had good luck by simply keeping them out of my growing space - we make all of our clones(thousands per year) ourselves, and if we do bring in clones from outside the farm(usually to compensate for some kind of loss/mistake or just a few plants to obtain new genetics), we keep them in a quarantine area for about 2 weeks, spray heavily with insecticidal soap and micronized sulfur, and inspect them regularly, leaf by leaf.

the insecticidal soap/sulfur combo mostly just works as a preventative, if you already see spider mites its probably to late to have a mite-free season, and if there is already webbing, you might be fucked. the insecticidal soap does kill some mites but is something that i use more because its highly effective against aphids. sulfur is a dual use product for me - its an amazing fungicide that really helps against powdery mildew, and it also acts as a repellant for mites, but if you already have a mite population, its probably not going to drive them all away. to spray sulfur, you need to use  a sprayer that sprays VERY fine particles, like a mist/fog.  youre looking to cover both sides of every single leaf with a thin layer of sulfur, that will dry into yellowish-white stains all over all of your leaves. you need to spray this in the evening, you cannot allow the plants to be in direct sunlight or high heat with either of these products wet and on the leaves. DO NOT spray sulfur on buds. sulfur sprays are a veg only thing. i always make a big deal of a "last sulfur spray" before the plant goes into flower so that everything is covered in a film of sulfur. 

when the plants get larger, its VERY important to keep them properly trimmed/pruned. if your plant is in a globe shape, that globe should be hollow. any branches whose tip is totally shaded by other branches should be removed. fan leaves that dont get direct sunlight should be removed. you want to leave everything that will produce buds that get full sun, and remove most everything else. often, when people talk about pruning cannabis, they refer to it as trimming "bottom growth", and in pro gardens, its often called "doing lowers", but IME, although bottom growth/lowers do need to be removed, the proper way to prune isnt to focus on bottom growth/lowers, but to think about it more as "doing inners" - in a proper prune on a decent sized plant, you often find that you remove more of the plants inner leaves/branches than lower leaves/branches. when the plant is hollow, there is less habitat for bugs, better airflow, and your sprays will get better coverage with less labor/materials. its INCREDIBLY important to keep plants properly trimmed like this. it can be a bit difficult to teach/explain how to do this at a really high level, you kinda just have to do some grows, and when you harvest, pay attention to which branches only yield small, airy, leafy buds - those probably should have been removed. lots of home growers opt to leave a lot of this stuff on the plant, because weed is  weed, it still tastes good and gets you high, but removing a large amount of inner/lower growth is important for pest control and overall plant health.

you might want to look into beneficial mites. i like to use arbico organics due to the wide variety of other beneficial insects they offer. you will need to do quite a bit of research to determine which mite predators are best for you based on the temps/humidity the plants are growing in and the type of spider mites you have. they are quite expensive, but its the only "organic" method ive ever had any luck with aside from preventative maintenence.

if you are not able to get rid of the mites, youre basically looking to keep their numbers down, baby your plants as much as possible, try to keep them healthy enough to get thru flower with decent buds, and if there is any webbing on the buds themselves, you can remove most of that with a shop vac during harvest, either as you cut them from the plant or just before you hang them to dry. youre probably not getting everything here,  but i can virtually guarantee that anyone who has been regularly smoking black market cali weed for a significant period of time have smoked buds that were covered in spider mite webbing that was shop-vac'd off before it was dried. you've all probably smoked a bit of webbing, mite poop and dead spider mites in your day, sorry to break it to everyone.

youre mostly going to want to worry about removing the webbing - as mite infested buds dry, the spider mites will "evacuate" the branches and will form these big weird drippy clusters at the highest tip of the branch where you cut it from the plant and along the line youre hanging the branches from, so most of the mites will remove themselves from the buds.

If this is the product you have, looks good I would use it

https://files.plytix.com/api/v1.1/file/public_files/pim/assets/43/37/8d/...

sometimes they (the industry) likes to sneak pyrethrin in there as ingredient and you definitely want to avoid products with this

 

I hit mine with copper sulfate last week. Too many fungi around. Going to spray BT tomorrow. Once I know all critters and fungi are dead I'll maintain with a shot of biologiques and then organic bug/funges/bacteria stuff.

you might have some luck with a dish soap solution or a mixture of essential oils since you have such a small grow, but both of those things have yielded ZERO results for me in a commercial setting. like i spray at night, get up the next morning, all the mites are still crawling, no sign of dead mites at all.

to remove them manually, a strong stream of water might have some effect, but youre probably better off doing it manually by hand, pinching each leaf blade between your thumb and pointer finger and sliding down from the base to the tip to squish them or get them to fall off.

spider mites are probably the most serious and threatening insect to a cannabis crop IME. 

well, the autoflower is looking good. It might have a week or two to go (unfortunately I don't know exactly when it was started). That's the good news.

IMG_4120a.jpg

The "bad" news is it is only this big!

IMG_4119a.jpg

And the plant is purposely small -- so no big disappointment.

The stem is covered in buds and boy do they smell good. Royal Creamatic. 

The amount or work involved in growing and finishing quality product sure is overwelming. Kudos to those that dedicate their time and attention to this endeavor. 

It makes me super appreciate my associates up in Humbolt that lived the outdoor life while dodging CAMP in the 20th century. With just a couple horticulture books and advice from a neighbor -- no hipster videos and amazon products.