I'm looking at ways to lower my insurance premium. One of the ways offered is to install an app on my phone that tracks miles traveled and driving habits (using GPS and I don't know what else). I drive a couple of miles a week and would like to get credit for that toward lowering the premium. I have ~43,500 miles on my 2004 car, less than 1000 in the last 2 years. BUT, it sounds crazy to me to give them permission to track me. On the other hand, if someone wanted to, they could probably know where I am anyway. So...
Does anyone here have this sort of thing with their insurance company? Does anyone thing I'm giving them permission to know too much about me and my habits?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water infinite ignorance
on Monday, August 16, 2021 – 06:32 pm
Your phone already tracks you
Your phone already tracks you.
If you are a very mellow, infrequent driver, then it sounds like a reasonable deal - IF the rate reduction is a meaningful amount dollar-wise.
I like the idea and have thought about looking into it, I'm a slow driver on neighborhood streets, I like to walk & my semi-urban neighborhood has few sidewalks. I don't drive much. So that program seems maybe attractive.
But highways in Utah & Tejas move at 80+ in the left lane, I like the left lane, so I figure they'd raise my rates for doing the occasional 100, despite my very low miles driven numbers.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead Racketinmyhead
on Monday, August 16, 2021 – 08:55 pm
https://www.metromile.com
https://www.metromile.com
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB StrawBud
on Monday, August 16, 2021 – 09:04 pm
Many insurance companies now
Many insurance companies now want to track your mileage as well, as if that matters. You either drive risky and have issues or you don't. My position is that it's none of their business. Even if your driving record is clean, valid, and clear, many of these programs will eventually circle around to not help you very much at all. Take, for example, the i-Watch (or whatever they're called) data which will eventually be used for health insurance premiums or similar and they'll have a wealth of information that may or may not point to risk factors based on odd heartbeats, alcohol/drug use, etc etc. Proceed With Caution.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB StrawBud
on Monday, August 16, 2021 – 09:19 pm
...but, sure, we're all
...but, sure, we're all getting tracked and data-collected upon in different ways. Dissecting and heading off those efforts may help slow down the cause. It not? It is already way out of control. DNA "ownership" is the brave new war.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Alan R StoneSculptor
on Monday, August 16, 2021 – 09:36 pm
Didn't you get vaccinated?
Didn't you get vaccinated? Then you already have a tracking device in you. Tell them to use that.
Remember - you are not only the company's customer, you also supply the product -- your data. Ingenious business model, isn't it?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Monday, August 16, 2021 – 09:40 pm
Racket, do you use or have
Racket, do you use or have experience with Metromile? I get solicitations from them but just recycle them.
Alan, excellent idea!
I don't remember being told the amount of discount for good driving. I think I need to know that before downloading the app.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk fabes
on Monday, August 16, 2021 – 10:07 pm
At this point in time it
At this point in time it would be good to have back up when I cannot find my car at the grocery store."hello Allstate, yea it's me again, what isle is my car in"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Monday, August 16, 2021 – 10:10 pm
I hadn't thought of that.
I hadn't thought of that. Thanks, fabes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Monday, August 16, 2021 – 11:11 pm
I always drive 5 mph over.
I always drive 5 mph* over. Would that negate any advantage?
Probably.
* - except in CA on the freeway. Then it's 10. Otherwise you get creamed from behind.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 – 09:43 am
I always drive 5 mph* over.
I always drive 5 mph* over. Would that negate any advantage?<<<
This might negate your chances of ever becoming President; unless, of course, you're successful in thwarting Congress' attempts to subpoena your driving records.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees FaceOnMars
on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 – 09:53 am
BUT, it sounds crazy to me to
BUT, it sounds crazy to me to give them permission to track me. On the other hand, if someone wanted to, they could probably know where I am anyway. So...
Does anyone here have this sort of thing with their insurance company? Does anyone thing I'm giving them permission to know too much about me and my habits?<<<
At present, I believe the tradeoff is likely skewed to their favor in terms of the massive amount of information you're providing them for what is likely a diminishing return as translated into savings to you. However, this is just speculation based upon a very cursory initial look at this from my insurance company a little while back. So, the return might be of greater substance now. I think as time goes on, the industry will likely move more in the direction to embrace this sort of model. I imagine it would ultimately help out safe drivers in the end, but suspect insurance companies would likely still stack the deck in their favor. It'd be interesting to see how claims would unfold if the insurance company(s) have granular data related to accidents in so far as how they might assign blame? IOW, they might not simply have your data, but also have the data for all vehicles involved in an accident; somehow giving them an advantage prior to any potential legal proceedings.
Taking a step back to a "lunar view": I think everyone having a "black box" in their vehicle might make the need for in person traffic enforcement a thing of the past & perhaps remove an enormous window into the lives of many (who are often profiled) to go on phishing expeditions or simply blow up (by intent or accident). IOW, I see this technology evolving to the point at which it can effectively report who's at fault in all circumstances and also transmit transgressions to authorities even when there's not an accident involved.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 – 11:06 am
judit, the main thing id
judit, the main thing id check into regarding privacy concerns would be what happens to your driving/location data after it is used to determine a potential discount. is it stored on a server somewhere? is it deleted immediatley? is the software they use to collect data connected in any way to companies already potentially collecting data and providing you with targeted marketing, like google or amazon? most importantly, do they sell the data or provide it in any way to anyone outside the process of determining your potential discount?
personally i would not sign on, but i recognize that is mostly out of principle and there is no clear and present threat to my privacy based on this one thing, assuming the answers to the questions i posted above are more or less agreeable. id probably be less concerned if i were older - much of the GD/phil fanbase will likely not be around long enough to see the rise of the borg, but i might be. trying to stay off the grid as much as possible.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 – 01:40 pm
Thank you. daylight, you gave
Thank you. daylight, you gave me exactly the information I was looking for, and in a way that makes sense to think about. As one of those older people, I probably don't need to be as concerned as my past made me.
Thanks to all.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: r n terrapin1977
on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 – 03:02 pm
do they tell you how much you
do they tell you how much you save if you're a "safe" driver
do they raise your rate if you're not
in San Diego we have two freeway speeds - 90 and bumper to bumper
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 – 03:09 pm
They're offering a discount
They're offering a discount (I don't think I heard a definite figure) for using the app. That's where the savings start, I'm seeing that I need to confirm the info with the agent.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jazfish Jazfish
on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 – 09:56 pm
Judit, I read your op. Go for
Judit, I read your op. Go for it. I would like to believe that absolutely nobody would think you are a smuggler pirate vagabond.
Can't get the vision.![smiley smiley](//cdn.ckeditor.com/4.5.4/full-all/plugins/smiley/images/regular_smile.png)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island judit
on Tuesday, August 17, 2021 – 09:58 pm
Jaz,
Jaz,![heart heart](//cdn.ckeditor.com/4.5.4/full-all/plugins/smiley/images/heart.png)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Richard Cranium Fitzman
on Wednesday, August 18, 2021 – 03:03 pm
I would absolutely NOT do
I would absolutely NOT do this. None of their damn business and I'm sure the "discount" isn't worth it.