Behind the Media Surge Against Bernie Sanders

But what do you think about the article, man? 

I find it interesting how the "lesser of two evils" paradigm has panned out post election.   Many conservatives have forgotten how they reluctantly voted for Trump and didn't really like him in the first place.  Likewise, under the black cloud of Trump, many Dems have forgotten about the "vast Clinton machine" and what it represented re: politics beholden to special interests ... since she looks like a walk in the park compared to Trump.  

Saw a study the other day that blew the talking point that Bernie was a no go with minorities out of the water.

I don't know about the rest of the country, but there was plenty of ethnic and age diversity at the Sanders rallies I went to, even the one in rural Cloverdale. Definitely more diverse than what I saw at clinton rallies on the television...though maybe that was CNN's doing, only show about twenty super rich white folk milling about with their cocktails or some such.

Behind the Media Surge Against Bernie Sanders

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Isn't it obvious? They want to bring back the monkey paw baggage queen to lose again...changing their ways to represent the working class is just so much more work than doing the same shit all over again. I imagine they see donation dollar signs in those boogeyman fear tactics as well.

Pfft if you think Bernie woulda drawn any of the rust belt older white working class voters (like my parents) that tipped this past election you're really dreaming.  He's just WAYYYYYYY too Jewish - in appearance and voice/accent.  They may have gone for a Lieberman type (war hawk/ more "WASPY" looking).  If you think stuff like that doesn't matter, you've got a lot of catching up to do on "middle America"

The media covered up the Bernie surge early, declared HRC the winner the night before Cali, and etc, but the biggest issue for me was not questioning the superdelegates at any time if Bernie was more electable against Trump.  Lots more too... but my point is, when Wikileaks released the first Podesta emails (and Debbie Wasserman Shultz leaped on her sword), both HRC and the MSM focused on the Russian Hackers and/or Leakers instead of seriously considering the content of the leaks, except for a few minor emails.  Those emails however did reveal many instances of MSM reporters working with the HRC team and/or the DNC to produce pro-Hillary news coverage.   So the MSM have been covering their own asses ever since, 'cos on some level they know how much they did to help T get elected...  It seems everyone would rather blame the Russian hackers than themselves, even if that ass-covering leads to WW3.   It's crazy!    Hey there, first post "back"...  

https://medium.com/@AntyalT/logic-dictates-it-would-have-been-president-...

^yup. 

"A New Harvard Study Just Shattered the Biggest Myth About Bernie Supporters"

http://amp.resistancereport.com/politics/harvard-poll-bernie-supporters

"a new poll finds that Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vermont) popularity is greater among minorities and women than among whites and men.

The survey, conducted by Harvard University and The Harris Poll, disproves the “Bernie Bro” trope with hard numbers. According to the survey results, which were conducted among 2,027 registered voters between April 14 and April 17, 2017, Sanders is actually more" popular among women, African Americans, Hispanics, and Asian Americans than white people and men.

It also talks about how Tom Perez originally used the term to marginalize anyone not in the Hillary parade and create a strategy that framed Bernie as only likable to the white male 18-35....the bernie bro.  And everyone ran with term.

Well, this Harvard study shows that was false.

Bernie Sanders (I - Vermont)

I = Independent

He wasn't a Democrat, was never going to get the super delegates, and could not have won the Democratic primary. He knew that going in to it. After speaking with a Democratic Vermont legislator and learning this, the winter before the primary, I posted on the Zone that he couldn't win the primary. Bernie chose to jump in to a race that he could not have won.

Instead of blaming the press and the DNC, maybe blame Bernie for not running as a third party.

Reality is reality, and the primary and super delegate system was firmly in place. Bernie was never a Dem. 

On the upside, he's still my Senator, and I'm more than pleased to have him representing me in Congress.

haha

Yeah, no. I voted Dem in the GE for nearly thirty years and I wanted to vote for Sanders. I don't give a fuck what he's registered as, I liked his platform and knew clinton would probably lose even if Sanders hadn't run. Like most democrats, I didn't vote for her in the 2008 primary, either..

Super delegate system = Trump

Would you have voted for Sanders had he run as an Independent?

the dnc pushing for hrc was obvious and wrong. here we are.

bernie running as dem was him playing the game a bit, he's not stupid. really, who gives a fuck if he's not a registered dem (apparently a lot of people do..)? that's just insane. 

bernie should've announced earlier, that was a mistake. 

Super delegate system = Trump <<<

And the system is still in place.  Can the Dems even be taken seriously as a destination for a pendulum swing back to "legitamacy" if super delegates are still a part of the equation?

He played a game that he could never win. 

i guess same for hrc, huh. 

 No, she just fucked up against Trump.

Honestly, I don't think the primary shit was really about Clinton and Sanders. It's about the Party insider vs. the Party outsider. They just happened to be the big test case.

Did super delegates get paid? 

I get the impression that a lot of the super delegates are Party big-wigs and those who got "party favors."  People like Bill Clinton and Obama are going to cast their votes for a Party member, whomever it is, rather than an outsider.

If Bernie had won in landslides it may have been different, but he generally didn't. Trump, on the other hand, was also an outsider. He kicked ass in the primaries, winning by clear majorities even when against 15, 12 and 10 others. He got over 50% in most states, while his competition lagged. Bernie didn't win big enough to force the super delegate votes to be cast for him.

If the Democrats had run Biden they'd be sitting in the White House today.  Joe has to wake up every day and face this reality.

brian k 

you think the primary was a fair fight? you don't think hrc/msm/dnc colluded to do all they could to take down bernie? 

Fuck Bernie.

I don't think that "fair" has anything to do with it. It was the DNCs game, and they make all the rules. The big one, about super delegates, was well known long before Bernie jumped in. Whether or not the super delegate system is fair is a different conversation.

I'm sure there was some back-alley crap going on. After all, it's politics. But, I don't think that they had to collude to knock Bernie out. Unless he won in huge landslides, he was never going to get the super delegates. Everyone knew that from the beginning.

As I've said before, I don't think that the DNC should have allowed Bernie to run as a Dem. I also don't think that the RNC should have allowed Trump to run as a Rep.

Imagine if the presidential race was Cruz vs. Clinton vs. Sanders vs. Trump. It would have overturned our 2-party system, and Bernie may have won.

Why did the Parties allow Bernie and Trump to run on their tickets? Because they didn't want the system overturned.

Why did Bernie choose to run on that ticket, one that he could never have won? Beats me, but I'm starting to thing that his goal was his message, not POTUS. If so, it worked. He's now a big-time player.

We've been told you can't win without money. 

So what do you win with money? 

Give the DNC more money. 

Thom is probably right about Biden being able to beat trump, but he didn't want to run, so I doubt it keeps him awake at night.

Definitely would've voted Sanders if he'd ran Independent. I'm not one for party loyalty over people, but I wll say my votes over the years were mainly to block republicans, not because I loved the democrat candidate. That said the clinton BOGO was the first time in 30ish years I *really* didn't want to vote for the dem GE candidate. At all. The DNC primary antics absolutely disgusted me.

I still can't believe the DNC gave the GOP's clown car a run for their shit show money, and lost. Hopefully in 2020 they select a candidate that doesn't already repulse half the voting base from the get go.

I think Obama and the DNC offered to showcase Sanders platform if he threw his support behind clinton, which he did. If the DNC hadn't screwed the pooch, and she'd chosen a progressive running mate or Sanders for VP, most likely clinton would've won the sort of less evil prize..but the horses had left the barn and the DNC's ass was hanging out.

he didn't run as an independent because the shit is rigged. 

remember little donny crying about the evils of the electoral college?

bernie won over 20 states. against a stacked and rigged system against him.

the corporate elite that control the country/world, also control both parties. they don't like populists.

bk must know something that researchers from harvard don't. 

when are you being interviewed?

Turtle, it was never about the popular votes. It was always about the super delegates. The system wasn't rigged against him personally. The rules were made by the DNC to promote a Democrat, which he wasn't. He would have had to win in landslides to get those super delegates.

I thought he just needed to give the super delegates some swag bags and trips. 

Bernie was trying to push the democratic party in the direction the people have wanted for years and did it by playing their game......on an extremely slanted table.

At least this has exposed exactly how the primary system functions. I will admit, I naively thought it was supposed to be a fair and transparent system until i watched the DNC double and triple down on a terrrible 90s candidate in spite of it being obvious which way the wind way blowing this year.

 Fool me once.

i agree with turtle

last year i called and argued with npr folks about why they weren't covering him as they needed to, and were crowning hrc early on.

they said they gave him a fair share of coverage.

and then had trump stories all night

i'm also pretty upset with him that he just gave up, so; there's that, also.

and now we have trump.

that's really the heinous bottom line anymore

>> Turtle, it was never about the popular votes. It was always about the super delegates. The system wasn't rigged against him personally. The rules were made by the DNC to promote a Democrat, which he wasn't.

Exactly, much easier for an outsider to win the GOP primary, than in the DNC. (As a Democrat, your vote means less in the primary than if you were Republican.)

In the Democratic Party, superdelegates can vote for whichever candidate they wish regardless of how the state that they come from votes, and in total, superdelegates comprise about 15 percent of the total delegates that determine the nomination.

The GOP, however, has decided to establish fewer superdelegates than the Democrats. In the Republican Party, the only people who get superdelegate status are the three members of each state's national party. This means that in the GOP, superdelegates are only about 7 percent of the total number of delegates.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/141611-does-the-gop-have-superdelegates-...

Fool me once<<<

Yet super delegates are still a part of the "system".  Clearly, the DNC is not serious about cleaning house.

Yet those of us who voted for third party candidates such as Gary Johnson are somehow to "blame"?!?

>>>>>Yet those of us who voted for third party candidates such as Gary Johnson are somehow to "blame"?!?

No, you're just an idiot if you voted for him.

>> No, you're just an idiot if you voted for him.

Yeah, you should vote for whoever the superdelegates decide!

No, you're just an idiot if you voted for him.<<<

Yet participating in a system that clearly stacks the deck AND not demanding it be reformed after what came to light re: insider manipulations is somehow "enlightened" or "reasonable"?

 >DNC double and triple down on a terrrible 90s candidate in spite of it being obvious which way the wind way blowing this year.<

this.