“That’s what America is about,” Carson said. “A land of dreams and opportunity. There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”
Those Africans who were brought to this country didn't even have pay for their own transport, and they were given steady work and a free place to live. What a deal!
So if I'm understanding correctly, the kind people who brought these immigrants over from Africa were actually treating them to an all expenses paid cruise to freedom. Pretty cool of them.
Curious to know if most homeschoolers are on the same page as Ben Carson when it comes to the history of slavery - or in alt history terms, immigration? Or maybe just Ender?
I'm not sure I can take the insanity of this exploding clown car that crashed and burst into flames on Pennsylvania Avenue much longer. I hope the pit crew arrives shortly to douse the flames, and tow it away...
In his book Gifted Hands, Carson relates that, in his youth, he had a violent temper. "As a teenager, I would go after people with rocks, and bricks, and baseball bats, and hammers," Carson told NBC's Meet the Press in October 2015. He said he once tried to hit his mother over the head with a hammer over a clothing dispute and, while in the ninth grade, he attempted to stab a friend who had changed the station on the radio; the blade broke in his friend's belt buckle.
Home ownership rates fell sharply under Obama. Maybe Carson/Trump can improve it?
HUD mission statement: Mission/U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) HUD's missionis to create strong, sustainable, inclusive communities and quality affordable homes for all.
My post tracked with yours, Ender. I provided context for your claim about housing under Obama and raised a question. Do you know what non-sequitur means?
> The housing bubble didn't occur during Obama's whole term.
I didn't claim that it did. I said it burst right about the time Obama was first elected. The "consistent drop in home ownership rates and historically low interest rates" you describe is what it took for the market to correct itself after the bubble burst.
> So dropping like a stone for the entire term with no change in rate is a "correction"?
Before the bubble burst, people who normally would not have been able to buy houses were issued mortgages. For a time, that kind of activity drove up the market to an unsustainable high and we've returned to pre-bubble levels, so yeah, it took Obama's entire term to correct the hyper-inflated market of the early 2000s.
Your affordability chart indicates that rental housing became more expensive, probably due to the home-owners who lost their houses needing to rent after the bubble burst (limited supply and increased demand), combined with stagnation of wages for much of the middle class. I don't think you can lay those factors off on HUD.
So could those immigrant slaves afford a house or not?
"Hey brother, let's immigrate to the US. They will change our names, ban our music and religion, forbid us to marry or learn to read and write, work us long hours for no pay, and forbid travel. I bet even if they ended slavery they would still find ways to fuck us over like sharecropping, denying use of public places, and not let us vote."
>> I don't think you can lay those factors off on HUD.
So even though HUD controls all regulation and policy for housing in our country, even though their mission states they will create "quality affordable homes for all" and "meet the need for quality affordable rental home", they shouldn't be judged on those metrics?
Honestly, if HUD is an impotent as you think maybe we'd be better off getting rid of it. Maybe that's Trump and Carson's plan?
I think the last part of HUD's mission statement--Transform the way HUD does business--acknowledges their shortcomings and speaks to the limitations of trying to regulate a market economy. By the terms of their mission statement, the bubble should not have happened, but, of course, that's not the way things went down.
“Everyone in that auditorium was with me,” Carson said. “They knew exactly what I was saying. It’s only those people who are always trying to stir up controversy."
“I’m not sure I agree that there isn’t a fair amount of racism here, there is, but it’s not where you would expect it to be,” the Republican presidential candidate said, responding to a question from radio host Dennis Prager who said the United States was the least racist country with multiple races living in it.
“It’s mostly with the progressive movement who will look at someone like me, and because of the color of my pigment, they decide that there’s a certain way that I’m supposed to think,” continued Carson. “And if I don’t think that way, I’m an Uncle Tom and they heap all kinds of hatred on you. That, to me, is racism.”
Ender, like Carson, doesn't really understand life outside the context of a certain few text books. I think he's an alien that crashed landed in 'Bama after reading half of 'Earth for Dummies'.
"Politically treacherous African Americans aren't just a figment of some paranoid black imagination. They are real, and they are dangerous.
If not "Uncle Tom," then what phrase does befit, say, a black Ohio secretary of state who -- in the name of the Bush-Cheney reelection campaign -- tries to game the electoral system in an attempt to diminish and disenfranchise black voters?
Black people aren't alone either. Numerous groups have catchphrases to describe those in their circles who they think actively work against internal best interests. Republicans have RINOs. Hispanics have "coconuts." Asians have "bananas." Blacks have Uncle Toms (and house Negroes and Oreos and just plain-old sellouts)."
Should have said that Ben is like Phyllis - although she had more women rallying behind her than Ben has Black supporters. I guess there are just more women in the GOP then there are black people.
Phyllis McAlpin Schlafly (/ˈfɪlᵻs ˈʃlæfli/; née Stewart; August 15, 1924 – September 5, 2016) was an American constitutional lawyer and conservative activist. She was known for her staunchly conservative social and political views, her opposition to feminism and abortion, and her successful campaign against the ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...
I gonna agree with the use of those terms by a white, ender. Been poking around some, one thing I found was it drifts too close to white folks telling black folks how to be black when that is their job.
Obama never suggested they came looking for a better life for their future generations. He also mentions how they came involuntarily. But yeah, "but Obama" yourselves silly.
Since he's not a trained vet that's probably a good thing. Good for you.
However, if you needed Siamese twins separated (and wanted them to live) there isn't a more qualified person on the face of the planet. And I'd say that takes a little more knowledge and skill than operating on a cat.
And really Pyramid. That's all you've got? Let the hate flow my man, you know you have it in you.
Thom the quote Obama said 11 times in your article is
And the good news is that America is possible — an America where we’re living within our means, but we’re still investing in the future. That’s possible. Where everybody is making sacrifices, but nobody bears all the burden by themselves. The idea that no matter what we look like or who we are, no matter whether our ancestors came from Ellis Island or on a slave ship, or across the Rio Grande, that we are all connected to one another, and that we rise and fall together.
He clearly states that people coming through Ellis Island and slaves came over for completely different reasons and are separate groups. They just both ended up here.
That's not at all what Ben Carson said. He said "There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.” That is not why slaves came here. It is bigly inaccurate.
Apparently it all has to do with context. If you use the phrase in a speech extolling the virtues of open immigration policies, the press (and Zoners) will give you a pass:
"Life in America was not always easy," he said. "It wasn't always easy for new immigrants. Certainly it wasn't easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves."
Barack Obama 12/15/2015
Various news accounts described Obama's speech as "an impassioned defense of migrants," "heartfelt," "a soaring tribute to American history and values," "a full-throated defense of a liberal immigration policy," "a plea for Americans to remember poor treatment toward immigrants in the past and to not repeat it."
It's not as if these folks missed Obama's "slaves were immigrants" point. USA Today, in an article lauding the speech as "a full-throated defense of a liberal immigration policy," noted that Obama "recounted a litany of past abuses of immigrants, silently comparing them to today's environment: The forced immigration of African slaves, anti-Catholic discrimination exhibited in signs reading, 'No Irish need apply,' and the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II."
But since Obama was attacking Trump in that speech, everyone loved it. (Obama, as a matter of fact, compared slaves to immigrants on multiple other occasions.)
>>>>>He said "There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”
I'm not here to start any fights, but I'm sitting at my desk reading this statement and I find it pretty easy to interpret this as a case that these people were taken to the United States against their will (I don't think the word immigration necessarily clarifies intent), then while they were in the USA working as slaves, they had hopes & dreams that their descendants would someday be free of slavery and be able to pursue above benefits. Of course, I could also imagine that it would be awfully hard to hope for this outcome.
>>>>>>>>Since he's not a trained vet that's probably a good thing. Good for you.
Now, this is what I'M worried about: Dr. Carson does not appear to have any training or other qualifications to be U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.
IMHO, his being a HUD Secretary is more dangerous than his sketchy statement about slave immigrants. YMMV
Many of Trump's appointees have precisely the skills needed to weaken the agencies they're assigned to, Turtle. One example would be Scott Pruitt, who as Attorney General of Oklahoma, looked out for the interests of the oil industry. Now, he's head of the EPA and he's populating the agency with climate change deniers.
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Actual quote:
Actual quote:
“That’s what America is about,” Carson said. “A land of dreams and opportunity. There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”
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You think the slaves were
You think the slaves were immigrants, Ender?
I just read what preceded that observation, it might be even better:
Carson: "I could drill a hole in your head, stick electrodes in your hippocampus & have you recite verbatim a book you read 60 years ago."
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> loonier than demented
> loonier than demented Donnie
Possibly, but not nearly as dangerous.
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Has he stopped talking with
Has he stopped talking with his eyes closed?
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Savant syndrome.
Savant syndrome.
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Those Africans who were
Those Africans who were brought to this country didn't even have pay for their own transport, and they were given steady work and a free place to live. What a deal!
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So if I'm understanding
So if I'm understanding correctly, the kind people who brought these immigrants over from Africa were actually treating them to an all expenses paid cruise to freedom. Pretty cool of them.
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And their children were
And their children were guaranteed employment - for life!
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Were the slaves extremely
Were the slaves extremely vetted?
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Are most homeschoolers they
Curious to know if most homeschoolers are on the same page as Ben Carson when it comes to the history of slavery - or in alt history terms, immigration? Or maybe just Ender?
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G-Zuss-Key-Rieghst!
G-Zuss-Key-Rieghst!
I'm not sure I can take the insanity of this exploding clown car that crashed and burst into flames on Pennsylvania Avenue much longer. I hope the pit crew arrives shortly to douse the flames, and tow it away...
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>> You think the slaves were
>> You think the slaves were immigrants, Ender?
No.
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>>>>>Were the slaves
>>>>>Were the slaves extremely vetted?
Yes. And how.
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In his book Gifted Hands,
In his book Gifted Hands, Carson relates that, in his youth, he had a violent temper. "As a teenager, I would go after people with rocks, and bricks, and baseball bats, and hammers," Carson told NBC's Meet the Press in October 2015. He said he once tried to hit his mother over the head with a hammer over a clothing dispute and, while in the ninth grade, he attempted to stab a friend who had changed the station on the radio; the blade broke in his friend's belt buckle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson
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Home ownership rates fell
Home ownership rates fell sharply under Obama. Maybe Carson/Trump can improve it?
HUD mission statement: Mission/U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) HUD's missionis to create strong, sustainable, inclusive communities and quality affordable homes for all.
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The housing bubble burst
The housing bubble burst right about the time Obama was first elected. Are you suggesting that we should have another such bubble, Ender?
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>>>>>Home ownership rates
>>>>>Home ownership rates fell sharply under Obama. Maybe Carson/Trump can improve it?
More likely the housing market may pick up but with investment properties. I highly doubt the percentage of home owners goes up under 45.
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Thom?
Thom?
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>>The housing bubble burst
>>The housing bubble burst right about the time Obama was first elected. Are you suggesting that we should have another such bubble, Ender?
Non-sequitur of the week!
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My post tracked with yours. I
My post tracked with yours, Ender. I provided context for your claim about housing under Obama and raised a question. Do you know what non-sequitur means?
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Why would I think we should
Why would I think we should have another bubble? Why would a bubble improve home ownership rates?
The housing bubble didn't occur during Obama's whole term. But a consistent drop in home ownership rates and historically low interest rates did.
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Is this thread about slaves?
Is this thread about slaves? Which race?
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> The housing bubble didn't
> The housing bubble didn't occur during Obama's whole term.
I didn't claim that it did. I said it burst right about the time Obama was first elected. The "consistent drop in home ownership rates and historically low interest rates" you describe is what it took for the market to correct itself after the bubble burst.
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>> the market to correct
>> the market to correct itself after the bubble burst.
So dropping like a stone for the entire term with no change in rate is a "correction"?
Check out how renters faired under Obama's HUD:
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> So dropping like a stone
> So dropping like a stone for the entire term with no change in rate is a "correction"?
Before the bubble burst, people who normally would not have been able to buy houses were issued mortgages. For a time, that kind of activity drove up the market to an unsustainable high and we've returned to pre-bubble levels, so yeah, it took Obama's entire term to correct the hyper-inflated market of the early 2000s.
Your affordability chart indicates that rental housing became more expensive, probably due to the home-owners who lost their houses needing to rent after the bubble burst (limited supply and increased demand), combined with stagnation of wages for much of the middle class. I don't think you can lay those factors off on HUD.
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REITs, however, had a nice
REITs, however, had a nice correction from the housing bubble under Obama's HUD!
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Sure, and the stock market
Sure, and the stock market rebounded relatively quickly while the middle class got a jobless recovery for much of Obama's time in office.
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So could those immigrants
So could those immigrant slaves afford a house or not?
"Hey brother, let's immigrate to the US. They will change our names, ban our music and religion, forbid us to marry or learn to read and write, work us long hours for no pay, and forbid travel. I bet even if they ended slavery they would still find ways to fuck us over like sharecropping, denying use of public places, and not let us vote."
"What are we waiting for!"
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>> I don't think you can lay
>> I don't think you can lay those factors off on HUD.
So even though HUD controls all regulation and policy for housing in our country, even though their mission states they will create "quality affordable homes for all" and "meet the need for quality affordable rental home", they shouldn't be judged on those metrics?
Honestly, if HUD is an impotent as you think maybe we'd be better off getting rid of it. Maybe that's Trump and Carson's plan?
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I think the last part of HUD
I think the last part of HUD's mission statement--Transform the way HUD does business--acknowledges their shortcomings and speaks to the limitations of trying to regulate a market economy. By the terms of their mission statement, the bubble should not have happened, but, of course, that's not the way things went down.
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Carson doubles-down: Slaves
Carson doubles-down: Slaves were ‘involuntary immigrants’
http://thehill.com/homenews/322645-carson-doubles-down-slaves-were-invol...
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“Everyone in that auditorium
“Everyone in that auditorium was with me,” Carson said. “They knew exactly what I was saying. It’s only those people who are always trying to stir up controversy."
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What was he saying?
What was he saying?
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What Sam said. Look up
What Sam said. Look up Tommin' Motherfucker in Webster's and see Carson's picture.
Cross reference: House Negro.
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What Sam said. Look up
double...
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>> Cross reference: House
>> Cross reference: House Negro.
“I’m not sure I agree that there isn’t a fair amount of racism here, there is, but it’s not where you would expect it to be,” the Republican presidential candidate said, responding to a question from radio host Dennis Prager who said the United States was the least racist country with multiple races living in it.
“It’s mostly with the progressive movement who will look at someone like me, and because of the color of my pigment, they decide that there’s a certain way that I’m supposed to think,” continued Carson. “And if I don’t think that way, I’m an Uncle Tom and they heap all kinds of hatred on you. That, to me, is racism.”
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>>> So even though HUD
>>> So even though HUD controls all regulation and policy for housing in our country
That is flatly untrue.
Almost all housing policy is local.
That said, under Bush they deregulated mortgage lending, which allowed people with no money to buy houses.
Under Obama, mortgages were re-regulated, thus meaning that people with no money could no longer buy houses.
Other than that, what Obama policy hurt home ownership, Ender?
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I guess Samuel L. Jackson,
I guess Samuel L. Jackson, Malcolm X, and I are racists.
And fascists are really left wing, and slaves were immigrants, and there are two suns in the eastern sky.
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In other news Carson thinks
In other news Carson thinks the earth is 6,000 years old and other "scyeence facks"
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ben-carsons-scientific-ignorance
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^^hahahahaha. seriously.
^^hahahahaha. seriously.
fucking twilight zone.
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Ender, like Carson, doesn't
Ender, like Carson, doesn't really understand life outside the context of a certain few text books. I think he's an alien that crashed landed in 'Bama after reading half of 'Earth for Dummies'.
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>> Almost all housing policy
>> Almost all housing policy is local.
>> Under Obama, mortgages were re-regulated, thus meaning that people with no money could no longer buy houses.
Those two statements seem contradictory.
>> Other than that, what Obama policy hurt home ownership, Ender?
Beats me. There was stimulus. Low interest rates. Credits for first time home buyers. Bailouts for bank. Payroll tax cuts.
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maybe someone will
maybe someone will involuntarily immigrate me to new zealand?
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>> I guess Samuel L. Jackson,
>> I guess Samuel L. Jackson, Malcolm X, and I are racists.
There seems to me to be a fundamental difference between a black man calling someone an "uncle tom" or "house negro" and a white man doing the same.
Maybe I'm just too uptight about race; I don't use those phrases at all.
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Does Carson think the Earth
Does Carson think the Earth is flat too?
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I never thought of those
I never thought of those terms in the same way as other racial epithets.
Worth poking around and taking a reading.
What if I retweet Sam L Jackson?
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Ben Carson is to black men
Ben Carson is to black men what Betsy DeVos is to women
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Am I a house negro? Do I need
Am I a house negro? Do I need a house?
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Nope; just a pool.
Nope; just a pool.
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> Does Carson think the Earth
> Does Carson think the Earth is flat too?
The Trump administration's official position is that it's the flattest Earth you've ever seen.
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More about blacks calling
More about blacks calling other blacks UT but frames the usage in terms of political rather than racial.
http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/4197/others_discomfort_is_no_rea...
"Politically treacherous African Americans aren't just a figment of some paranoid black imagination. They are real, and they are dangerous.
If not "Uncle Tom," then what phrase does befit, say, a black Ohio secretary of state who -- in the name of the Bush-Cheney reelection campaign -- tries to game the electoral system in an attempt to diminish and disenfranchise black voters?
Black people aren't alone either. Numerous groups have catchphrases to describe those in their circles who they think actively work against internal best interests. Republicans have RINOs. Hispanics have "coconuts." Asians have "bananas." Blacks have Uncle Toms (and house Negroes and Oreos and just plain-old sellouts)."
Need more info.
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> What if I retweet Sam L
> What if I retweet Sam L Jackson?
Oh, crap. Am I a racist now? Wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross isn't a good look for me.
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Should have said that Ben is
Should have said that Ben is like Phyllis - although she had more women rallying behind her than Ben has Black supporters. I guess there are just more women in the GOP then there are black people.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly
Phyllis McAlpin Schlafly (/ˈfɪlᵻs ˈʃlæfli/; née Stewart; August 15, 1924 – September 5, 2016) was an American constitutional lawyer and conservative activist. She was known for her staunchly conservative social and political views, her opposition to feminism and abortion, and her successful campaign against the ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution...
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>> those in their circles who
>> those in their circles who they think actively work against internal best interests
There is two problems with using the slur:
1) you are prescribing correct/proper behavior to a person based on his race
2) you are assuming he has a responsibility to his race over others
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I gonna agree, ender. Been
I gonna agree with the use of those terms by a white, ender. Been poking around some, one thing I found was it drifts too close to white folks telling black folks how to be black when that is their job.
I think I need to reread Baratunde Thurston.
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I guess Samuel Jackson didn't
I guess Samuel Jackson didn't have a problem when Obama did the same thing. Eleven times.
11 Times Barack Obama Compared Slaves To Immigrants
http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/07/11-times-barack-obama-compared-slave...
But that's par for the course, isn't it?
And if there's anything funnier than a bunch of Zoners questioning the brain power of one of the worlds greatest neurosurgeons I have yet to find it.
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Obama never suggested they
Obama never suggested they came looking for a better life for their future generations. He also mentions how they came involuntarily. But yeah, "but Obama" yourselves silly.
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YOU THELL 'EM THOM!
YOU THELL 'EM THOM!
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THOM is TRASH
THOM is TRASH
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yeah, because that's the same
yeah, because that's the same thing...
i wouldn't let ben carson operate on my cat.
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But apparently Mr. Jackson is
But apparently Mr. Jackson is saying all sorts of nonsensical things these days.
Samuel L Jackson criticises casting of black British actors in American films
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/mar/08/samuel-l-jackson-criticises...
"i wouldn't let ben carson operate on my cat."
Since he's not a trained vet that's probably a good thing. Good for you.
However, if you needed Siamese twins separated (and wanted them to live) there isn't a more qualified person on the face of the planet. And I'd say that takes a little more knowledge and skill than operating on a cat.
And really Pyramid. That's all you've got? Let the hate flow my man, you know you have it in you.
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Thom the quote Obama said 11
Thom the quote Obama said 11 times in your article is
He clearly states that people coming through Ellis Island and slaves came over for completely different reasons and are separate groups. They just both ended up here.
That's not at all what Ben Carson said. He said "There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.” That is not why slaves came here. It is bigly inaccurate.
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Apparently it all has to do
Apparently it all has to do with context. If you use the phrase in a speech extolling the virtues of open immigration policies, the press (and Zoners) will give you a pass:
"Life in America was not always easy," he said. "It wasn't always easy for new immigrants. Certainly it wasn't easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves."
Barack Obama 12/15/2015
Various news accounts described Obama's speech as "an impassioned defense of migrants," "heartfelt," "a soaring tribute to American history and values," "a full-throated defense of a liberal immigration policy," "a plea for Americans to remember poor treatment toward immigrants in the past and to not repeat it."
It's not as if these folks missed Obama's "slaves were immigrants" point. USA Today, in an article lauding the speech as "a full-throated defense of a liberal immigration policy," noted that Obama "recounted a litany of past abuses of immigrants, silently comparing them to today's environment: The forced immigration of African slaves, anti-Catholic discrimination exhibited in signs reading, 'No Irish need apply,' and the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II."
But since Obama was attacking Trump in that speech, everyone loved it. (Obama, as a matter of fact, compared slaves to immigrants on multiple other occasions.)
http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/note-to-ben-carson-bashers-...
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Thom doesn't even read his
Thom doesn't even read his own cut n pastes lol.
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Weak spin.
Weak spin.
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thom you're a mess man
thom you're a mess man-everybody here sees it. you fucking racist.
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"Certainly it wasn't easy for
"Certainly it wasn't easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves."
Exactly. They were immigrants, but in their own separate shitty non dream seeking way.
That's not what Carson said.
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Jeez.
Jeez.
Like Carson, Thom is another dumb smart guy.
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Google does not make you
Google does not make you smart.
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>>>>>He said "There were
>>>>>He said "There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”
I'm not here to start any fights, but I'm sitting at my desk reading this statement and I find it pretty easy to interpret this as a case that these people were taken to the United States against their will (I don't think the word immigration necessarily clarifies intent), then while they were in the USA working as slaves, they had hopes & dreams that their descendants would someday be free of slavery and be able to pursue above benefits. Of course, I could also imagine that it would be awfully hard to hope for this outcome.
Does this make me an advocate for The Debbil????
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>>>>>>>>Since he's not a
>>>>>>>>Since he's not a trained vet that's probably a good thing. Good for you.
Now, this is what I'M worried about: Dr. Carson does not appear to have any training or other qualifications to be U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.
IMHO, his being a HUD Secretary is more dangerous than his sketchy statement about slave immigrants. YMMV
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none of the nominees have the
none of the nominees have the requisite skills for the positions they were nominated for.
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Many of Trump's appointees
Many of Trump's appointees have precisely the skills needed to weaken the agencies they're assigned to, Turtle. One example would be Scott Pruitt, who as Attorney General of Oklahoma, looked out for the interests of the oil industry. Now, he's head of the EPA and he's populating the agency with climate change deniers.