Here's hoping he's happy with the parts of his valid agenda Biden adopts and agrees to work on.
Frankly, he's so valuable in the Senate, and that was shown with this last "relief" bill. But can you imagine Bernie as Secretary of Health and Human Services? Oh yeah.
My vote doesn't matter. I don't live in WI. MI, PA it OH. It's already over though Ned. Trump has live feed everyday to an American public stuck at home. His approval rate is higher than ever while Biden has basically disappeared. Brace for four more years guys. Wall st and Banks and NRA want Trump and like always they will get what they want.
I hope that Biden somehow has it within himself to humble down a tad, try to understand the better views and ideas of the other candidates and their supporters, and build a true coalition to move us ALL forward...but I guess we'll see.
I am tired of the 2 main bully parties and their organizations (RNC and DNC both suck) but I can find no reason to vote for ConDon for ANY role whatsoever....except prison, I suppose.
...Without undermining "the will of the voters", it would be a fun time going head-to-head with anyone in taking out/replacing members of Congress, one by one, taking turns.
I would start (or go 2nd, I don't care) with Moscow Mitch.
I would get behind any effort to begin to wrangle away our healthcare system from the profiteering vulture capitalist crowd. Little by little and in sweeping motions they are over-taking far too many aspects of our lives.
November is still a long way off and, if anything the last month has shown us, things can change quickly and dramatically. But for now, my psychic powers say we are stuck with Trump for another four years. Biden? Good luck with that.
Holy Shit. I know that is always a possibility but it at least sorta seems like the favorable winds are increasingly turning away from trump. I am surely no fan of Biden either but like I said....another round of shitty choices.
in retrospect, Sanders could not beat Clinton in 16 or the 2020 field. he was a middling presidential candidate who is more in tune with the fringe of the democratic party then he is/was the actual party itself
I live on that fringe. voted for Sanders in 2016 and 2020 in two different states that mattered at primary time. fact is tho he never had a chance in both elections and I am hopeful that his legacy lives on past his candidacy and that his supporters rit large dont act like assholes going forward
Obama made the Pointer Sisters cover version his campaign theme song. It's as relevant today as then. I know y'all have heard the Pointer's version, so here's a couple of takes Allen did of his song through the years:
Solo version from KUT television studios, Austin, Texas, 2012
Now's the time for all good men
to get together with one another.
We got to iron out our problems
and iron out our quarrels
and try to live as brothers.
And try to find a piece of land
without stepping on one another.
And do respect the women of the world.
Remember you all have mothers.
We got to make this land a better land
than the world in which we live.
And we got to help each man be a better man
with the kindness that we give.
I know we can make it.
I know darn well we can work it out.
Oh yes we can, I know we can can
Yes we can can, why can't we?
If we wanna get together we can work it out.
And we gotta take care of all the children,
the little children of the world.
'cause they're our strongest hope for the future,
the little bitty boys and girls.
We got to make this land a better land
than the world in which we live.
And we got to help each man be a better man
with the kindness that we give.
I know we can make it.
I know darn well we can work it out.
Oh yes we can, I know we can can
yes we can can, why can't we?
If we wanna, yes we can can.
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or as James Brown said, it's time to "get up, get into it, stay involved"
potus making his play for the Bros... I have to say noone is a better troll then potus
@realDonaldTrump
Can’t see AOC plus 3 supporting Sleepy Joe!
@realDonaldTrump
Wow, Bernie is unwilling to give up his delegates, and wants more of them! What’s that all about?
@realDonaldTrump
Bernie Sanders is OUT! Thank you to Elizabeth Warren. If not for her, Bernie would have won almost every state on Super Tuesday! This ended just like the Democrats & the DNC wanted, same as the Crooked Hillary fiasco. The Bernie people should come to the Republican Party, TRADE!
Sanders 2016 was also consistently beating Sanders 2020. He has some good basic ideas but no realistic plan or avenue(s) to get them implemented, not to mention the institutional resistance to some of those ideas. For better or worse, he himself has lived on the fringe of the Democratic party as an Independent in his years in the Senate too. I think he deserves a serious seat at the table but, again, Joe's ego is a difficult obstacle.
He hasn’t just run a political campaign; he’s created a movement.
And make no mistake about it, I believe it’s a movement that is as powerful today as it was yesterday.
That’s a good thing for our nation and our future.
Senator Sanders and his supporters have changed the dialogue in America.
Issues which had been given little attention — or little hope of ever passing — are now at the center of the political debate.
Income inequality, universal health care, climate change, free college, relieving students from the crushing debt of student loans.
These are just a few of the issues Bernie and his supporters have given life to.
And while Bernie and I may not agree on how we might get there, we agree on the ultimate goal for these issues and many more..
...
As friends, Jill and I want to say to Bernie and Jane, we know how hard this is.
You have put the interest of the nation — and the need to defeat Donald Trump — above all else.
And for that Jill and I are grateful.
But we also want you to know: I’ll be reaching out to you.
You will be heard by me.
As you say: Not me, Us.
And to your supporters I make the same commitment: I see you, I hear you, and I understand the urgency of what it is we have to get done in this country.
I hope you will join us.
You are more than welcome.
You’re needed.
Together we will defeat Donald Trump.
And when we do that, we’ll not only do the hard work of rebuilding this nation — we’ll transform it.
there is no table to sit at if Biden does not defeat potus. this is a critical fact for all to come to grips with. with all of Biden's flaws and there are a shit ton, all of them are better then potus and make no difference now. he is the candidate and the choice is binary for reasonable adults
Joe has a good ability (and sense?) to put together a strong government with qualified people leading departments and agencies that can and should be bigger than him. It is serious BS the way trump has hobbled along with essentially an "acting" government as few of his picks could ever clear Senate confirmation. Shit Show. I think DHS (and now NAVY?!?! LOL) has at least 2 layers of 'acting' heads. But, realistically, the GOP controlled Senate has also been preoccupied and really busy racking up head-spinning numbers of Federal court installations by many very questionable appointees, some of whom are very young with little experience and some without ever even hearing/deciding cases. wtf?
I supported Bernie and have voted for him many times over the the last 30 years - since the first time he ran for Vermont's lone seat in the House.
However - at this point - if one does not find a way to vote for Biden (whether you support him or not) then one is de facto supporting 4 more years of Trump. End of story.
I would think that the movement for a $15/hour minimum wage and universal healthcare will resonate with the majority of voters not only in the swing states, but in the GOP dominated rural states.
Joe will have a large group of progressive minded people to advocate for him if he can energize them.
ignore the inevitable mediocrity and acquiesce to losing to a con man wanna be dictator while appeasing wall st. and big pharma during a pandemic. got it.
Lol, Keep America Great, y'all. Have fun with that.
Consolation prize: Bernie, like Obi-Wan, will be stronger in death than in life. By 2022 mid-terms the progressive movement will have coalesced around him as a symbolic leader after Kaiser Trump has run the country into the ground along with the world for a few more years. But, it'll be too late by then. Doubtful that RBG will last two more years. Trump will name another justice and the country that you all know and loved will begin the serious transformation towards a tyrannical empire. Gee, if only history had shown us this happening before then maybe people could learn from it...
what may look like democracy to you javs has not been such a thing for a while now. grow the fuck up dude. we in merica' know the score in Nov and we know we have not been living in a democracy for years now. before trump. but please go ahead and enlighten the group about how a democracy works. online classes are fun!
We are not stuck with Trump. He can't get above 45% and every other western leader including Boris who mismanaged the crises even more than Trump is around 70%. The only way we have Trump is if people decide to stay home.
Yep, it pretty much always comes down to swing state voters. trump won fair and square within our convoluted system but, arguably, barely so by 80k votes across 4 states that very typically do not go red in presidential elections. Can he hang onto those 4 states alongside nearly all of the others that went his way in 2016? Hell, AZ is rapidly becoming a swing/purple state and NV and CO are basically reliably blue now. What gives? Does GOP have to spend big dollars in TX and NC to barely hang on? GOP seems to think they have a chance to turn OR red this cycle as well. Buckle Up.
I personally have no issue with Centrists and much of the bickering is along the margins anyway. Herbal Dave, I agree that it would seem logical that a $15/hour minimum wage and universal healthcare would/should resonate well across the board but I have tirelessly heard the arguments against those things as over-reach and anit free-capitalist virtues.It is somewhat mind-boggling.
>> Yes, everyone get behind the candidate that doesn't represent your values or policies because, you know, that's what democracy is all about right? <<
Well, when given a binary choice between tRump and someone who will add preferable SCOTUS nominees and be less of a threat than tRump I'm voting for the person who isn't tRump.
We can all debate political ideology and the state of our democracy after the November election. It's time to vote Trump out, and what happened in 2016 can be changed if people stop crying and put on their big boy pants.
If anyone truly believes that Biden is no better than Trump, I don't know what to say.
As for the "tell the voters in the swing states": that's kind of a cop-out. We know that Bernie supporters have a strong network and social media presence. When the rest of the country's Bernie supporters sit it out, and express why on their platforms, so will those swing state voters. The fact is, had swing state Bernie supporters voted in 2016, we wouldn't have Trump.
Well Turts, all I mean is that Bernie supporters have a certain sway over other Bernie supporters. If you care about the Supreme Court for the next 30 years, it makes a difference.
However, I'm probably wrong. Even Bernie couldn't get his people to vote for Hillary. Some dude in California won't have any sway over people in Pennsylvania. Carry on.
Hey drkstar, it's kind of an immature statement to tell someone to "grow the fuck up", honestly, but whatever floats your boat. I done growed up pretty good, thank you very much. I've studied these topics in a good bit of depth from an international perspective. My experience shows me that the "vote for the lesser of two evils" mentality that your espousing is the root of the problem you all are in, not the solution. You keep on voting for the lesser of two evils, and the repubs keep pushing that bar further and further to the far right. While you think you are voting for someone who is more aligned with your views, your actually validating a constant drift towards the right. The solution is to boycott those candidates. Truth is, humans see saw and won't wake up to the damage being done by the right wing (yes, I include Biden in there) until it's so drastic that the pushback wakes people up to what's going on.
So yeah, my advice to the Bernie voters in the states is drop out. Don't vote for Biden. Trump is going to win anyways and perhaps that's a good thing. Maybe after he run roughshod over your democracy you can start to appreciate what's actually important in life. Think about who the lesser of two evils was 40 years ago versus today. You 'lesser-of-two-evilists' have created this situation. Now reap what you sow and then maybe grow a pair and start fighting for what you actually believe in and not the watered down corporate purchased version.
So drkstar, Wake the fuck up, bro! You're part of the problem...
Quick thoughts. Depressing and deflating times... we need to remember we see each other's value, and work with each other on coalitions from the ground up. Simply put, Biden isn't as bad as the current resident and we can give strength to anyone who can help make the country and the world better places. Getting out of the clutches of the corporations is huge, saving us to rise again is huger.
SCOTUS
Human rights, equality
SCOTUS
Pristine water, pure air, protected lands and trees
Jav, I really hope that people vote for Biden, not as a message about ideology, but one having the slimmest possibility of saving us. We are currently so fucked.
Javs, do you quite understand that if Trump wins again, and gets 1 or 2 more SCOTUS appointments, we are all fucked for at least a generation? Progressivism will be crushed by the Supreme Court. It was will have grave consequences on this country and the world.
>>> Progressivism will be crushed by the Supreme Court. <<<
The rights of women, all people, and the natural world will be crushed. It isn't about progressive vs conservatism, it's about who will be making decisions about your daughter's body, who you can love, way too many to list. You know what it's about.
You reap what you sow, man. This is how modern democracies were designed, to cater to the wealthy. Anyone who thinks a Joe Biden presidency would somehow SAVE the US from corporate rule or environmental destruction really doesn't have a good grasp on what the democratic party has been doing for the last 20 or 30 years. Sometimes the only way out is through. It ain't gonna get better until it gets worse. Sorry, that's just the track that most modern two-party democracies are on. Rough times ahead, buckly up, folks.
Drkstar, glad to be of help. I choose my words based on my audience. BK and I (and others) have had many in-depth and interesting conversations about politics and other topics. With you, it's pretty clear that my words would be wasted. So yeah, there's your master class. Now, if you still think Biden can SAVE the US, well, lol, I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. I'll give it ya' for cheap...
The reality is that Presidential elections aren’t decided by anyone on this thread or even anyone you are friends with. They are decided by people who voted for Obama and Trump. They are never decided by young people who talk a big game on social media but never actually show up to vote. I watched four years ago as the left savaged Hillary with help from Russia and the Republicans. The people who actually decide notice enthusiasm, they notice when one side says they will hold their nose and vote. Trump supporters are going to be all in with no reservations and could care less who will be the VP. Normally I am very open to criticism from the left, hell that was me for most of my life. Not this year. I don’t care if Biden is old or slurs his words or isn’t for Medicare for all. He is running against self-avowed pussy grabber who brags about his ratings during a pandemic. Being against Trump is more than enough to be wildly enthusiastic.
"They are never decided by young people who talk a big game on social media but never actually show up to vote."
Gee, I wonder why they don't show up to vote? This very argument is contradictory. By not showing up to vote they DO decide the election. Maybe if someone had anything to say that was appealing to them....
I have not heard or read about anyone saying Biden is great or will save us, albeit from trump and his shameful administration. We The People live in the middle of a seemingly perpetual polotical war and get used as pawns. I am certain that Biden would form a more even and functional government than currently exists....and, for example, how is it that just yesterday the rump admin begged for and was granted a flight shipment of PPE and other healthcare related items from RUSSIA yet today (a new day I guess) is actively trying to block a $5B IMF loan bid from Iran so it too can attempt to save some lives in its country. I find that DEPLORABLE and I seriously doubt a Biden admin would pull such a scum stunt.
Lol, caving in to a military coup d'etat? Uuuuuhhh....I'm not sure caving in is the right word. But yes, Chile right now is in a tricky situation because after the dictatorship people in Chile have bought into the bullshit that somehow the remnants of the dictatorship genuinely have our best interest in mind. And prior to coronavirus, if you remember, Chile was in a state of chaos and on the brink of revolution after 30 years of neoliberal policies. You see, you push enough in one direction, people eventually get pissed and push back. It's clear the US hasn't learned that lesson yet. Hopefully four more years of Trump will push hard enough to wake people up to what their neoliberal lesser-of-two-evilism has accomplished.
And drkstar, I love that I'm getting your goat. Get angry, you, grrrrr....Go cast your vote for Trump, I mean Biden...sorry, I couldn't tell the difference.
You're killing me, Javs. American youth never vote. It has nothing to do with the candidate. For all the so called youth support Bernie has had, they didn't come out to vote for him either. It's a bit of a problem for anyone left of center, especially when the far right does vote. It's too easy to blame it on the candidates, but it's a much deeper issue than that. Our youth are just generally apathetic.
In your opinion, was Pinera the lesser of two evils or the greater. I've been doing some research, and he seems like Trump lite. Is he drilling on glaciers yet? How about his pushback to women's rights? What's happening in your backyard?
You all do realize that not supporting Biden will mean Trump replacing Ruth Ginsberg? The amount of damage from that alone will burn it down for all our children.
>>>Gee, I wonder why they don't show up to vote? This very argument is contradictory. By not showing up to vote they DO decide the election. Maybe if someone had anything to say that was appealing to them
Hmmm who votes in droves. Old white rich people. Who gets the most out of government. Old white rich people. It's almost like the system is rigged in favor of people who vote.
Young people also don't vote in primaries or Green council members down ballot. There are plenty of people they could be voting for but they don't because they are immortal and don't give a fuck. They didn't even turn out to vote for Bernie in the primaries this year.
Pyramid thinks that there will be a literal revolution that will secure a future for generations to come. That's why he doesn't care about the Supreme Court. me me me!
If anyone truly believes that Biden is no better than Trump, I don't know what to say.
If he can't beat trump than yeah, he's no better than trump, and I'm entirely not convinced he can beat trump under the best of circumstances, as far as worse circumstances, there's none of which he is on top of.
BK, Piñera was definitely the greater of two evils. He has opened up the door broad and wide to international corporations to do whatever they want. The key issue though is that currently our Congress is controlled by the left and the Senate is controlled by the left and center, so he can't get anything by them that doesn't have at least some appeal to the center base.
Plus, the left wing candidate was a super flaky communist with no popular appeal. Piñera rode in on the idea that he was the guy who could fix the economy. The right wing owned media (all the major media in Chile) railed on Bachelet during her presidency, highly unfairly because she actually did a damn good job. So he managed to face out like he was going to fix her 'mess'. In reality, he has appointed ex-Pinochet supporters left and right, people with no experience in any of their fields. Businesspeople in charge of education, etc. So while they haven't done major damage, they've advanced nothing, due to the blockade of the left wing legislative body. The only 'stroke of luck' that Piñera has had is that his health minister is a smart doctor, an old friend of his, who has essentially forced him to make smart moves during COVID times. This has helped Piñera get his approval up near 20%, but it was down to 4% before this. With two years left of his presidency, it is likely the shit will hit the fan as soon as COVID is not an issue.
And the left has zero strong leaders, a total shit-show of disunity. Meanwhile, the right here, like in the US, is pretty much totally unified.
The real fight now is for dems to try to maintain and/or expand the house majority while simultaneously flipping the swinghole senate seats in order to subvert an inevitable second term trump agenda.
Who funded your pizza parlor, ogkb? Your parents? Your trust fund? Weed mone you made off trust-founders? Bank loans, supported by the corporate world?
what a pathetic take. stacey abrams or kamala harris not qualified enough for ya Turts?
talk about not believing/trusting in women<<
they are better and more qualified than the nominee, however don't think for a minute its not pandering or political in the calculation. THAT is what is not believing women...
so let me get this straight. both women are qualified for the job in your eyes and yet would be pandered to political calculus if selected for said job they are more so qualified to have then there potential boss
I think that it all fit into my 3 foot plastic bong. do you have seconds if I get it started?
>th women are qualified for the job in your eyes and yet would be pandered to political calculus if selected for said job they are more so qualified to have then there potential boss<
"their"
now ya got it haus
i'm almost out of weed currently...which doesn't usually happen...
It seems like the Bernie Bois have created another catch-22 for Joe. If he picks a progressive, woman or person of color he's pandering. If he picks a center white male he's out of touch.
And there it stands, Turts. A doddering old man who can't think, speak or choose his own skivvies beat Bernie, not because the hegemony was against him, but because more voters liked him.
Sanders supporters are fine with me. even the ones who can be tough around the edges. I get that, I am by no means refined in argument or debate and I can call out and troll sometimes too
the whole blow the place up because my guy was not good enough for the nomination (twice btw) is so incredibly selfish. I dont know the personal lives of any of the folks here saying it but if they had a 7 year old Daughter to raise as I am trying my best to do presently, they would not be so self serving about petty political convictions like burning the party down due to centrist rule
And there it stands, Turts. A doddering old man who can't think, speak or choose his own skivvies beat Bernie, not because the hegemony was against him, but because more voters liked him.
drkstar, cry me a river. You're not the only person with kids on this board, not even of that age.
And BK, you can't have it both ways: you argue about how Biden beat Bernie because he got more voters, but now you expect those voters to flock over to Biden because he can't beat Trump without them. Riiiiiiiggght. And those voters are supposed to vote for the same mainstream corporate business as usual thinking because your candidate can't drum up enough support for his platform to beat Trump. Tough situation.
So to sum up, a doddering old man who can't think, speak or choose his own skivvies beat Bernie, not because the hegemony was against him, but because more voters liked him and yet now he is stuck at square 1 without the support of those same voters he ostracized by making no concessions to the demands of something like 35% of his party's voting block. Ouch.
Good luck getting the swingholers out to the booths for your candidate, Bidenistas!
Is having unrealistic expectations about a senile old man with a totally predictable and recycled platform being able to beat Trump a characteristic of the Bidenistas around here?
I have not spoken word one about expectations for Joe Biden in Nov other then selfish assholes may not vote for him because of some ridiculous ideology they hold as gospel for democracy in action
>>those same voters he ostracized by making no concessions to the demands of something like 35% of his party's voting block
I'm not so sure he "ostracized" them. A whole bunch of them completely separated themselves from him altogether, and they'll never vote for him simply because he's not Bernie. His platform has moved to the left, and he has said that he will continue to listen to them. Jeez, the primary literally ended today and there are 7 months until the election. It's a bit early to be throwing out those sort of statements.
Well, it's not like you'll ever give him any credit or say anything positive about him, so go ahead and make generalizations about the future. Short of him adopting Bernie's platform, he's just the same as Trump to you.
Bernie may be done but the Sanders/Warren wing of the party is alive and well.
Bernie still has his delegates to control the democratic platform at convention just like 2016. Medicare 4 ALL has gotten recession bump.
Elizabeth Warren will be Biden's VP choice and will work with Bernie to help influence the democratic platform. And she would preside over the senate as VP in a Biden admin.
Massachusetts Markey vs Kennedy loser wins runoff for Warren's old seat in special election. Kennedy could lose and win Warren''s seat which was Ted Kennedy's old seat.
Yes, drkstar, everyone who thinks differently than you is a selfish asshole, oh wise master of the truth. Hey, you're goat is still in my yard. Do you want me to send it back?
BK, he's not the same as Trump but the similarities are enough to ostracize the entire progressive voting block. A smart candidate (I know, clearly not Biden) would've taken into account those millions of voters that s/he would need to win the election. But, you know, pride and all that...
BK, crushed it? Meh. Let's not exaggerate. And yeah, sorry, we're talking about hypotheticals after all, but yes, a candidate who had an interest in winning the general would have done a statistical analysis of the voting populace and known beforehand that he/she couldn't win without the progressive block. He chose to ignore that block, ergo ostracizing them. Now he needs to find a way to please the other 30% or lose the general. It ain't rocket science.
Corporate Democrats are going to wear themselves out arguing again and again only to find that they still need to win the vote in MI, WI, OH and/or PA. But keep chasing your tail around in a circle while trump gets stronger and stronger just like 2016. It's gonna be an embarrassing general election. I think Biden could be Trumps Romney. A guy who really doesn't even believe he can win, he's just there to take a fall.
that will be the key bloc to pander to, as you had suggested earlier on. its not bad politics to do and Obama will be leveraged in any which way to get the job done too
Stacy Abrams would not hurt too in terms of the most important voting bloc to turn out in Nov
as to getting the Sanders only folks, I dont think much can or will be done and frankly I think the list of those who sit out voting for Biden is small. at least I hope that is so
Man, what a beautiful Spring day it is here today. Since we're still not allowed to open for business, I decided to shuffle some chicken soup, strawberries and grapes out to my sister, who has been feeling sick the last three days. My brother-in-law was finishing putting the roof on at one of his construction jobs, and had called me last night to let me know how my sister was faring. Since she is the chef of their house, I figured some easy to prepare hearty soup might come in handy for them. She was wrapping up some drafting for one of her design projects when I got there, and then headed back to bed for a nap. We had talked about how I wanted to help them out with their garden this year, so I spent a couple of hours pulling out a whole bunch of invasive Oregon Ivy that was attacking a myrtle in their back yard, and watering their vegetable beds. Felt real good to dig my hands in the dirt and get some sunshine and fresh air.
Thanks for the lively conversation. I think I'm all up to speed. Heard the NPR feed as I was driving back in. Bernie out. Stock market up. Lots of people died in New York, but their new infections are starting to drop off. Another stimulus package being floated for small businesses.
Think I'm going to get back to tcb. Keep up the good work folks.
obama has done more than any modern dem to destroy the democratic party.
the people want bernie's policy, as they're the most popular -- mistakes were made tho, and not enough outreach to the people who support those popular policies, but dont identify w/ progressive messaging.
but you can't ignore the 24/7 constant corporate media thrashing of bernie -- this happened, and drastically affected the outcome.
fuck obama and his team of corporate dems -- we won't forget what they did.
The corporatists want a TV persona for a president nowadays and seeing that social media and screen time is used as a tool for mass distraction while behind the scenes they are able to implement federal socialist procedures for large companies. Why would the super pac folks choose Biden? They have everything they want with Trump. Biden is no TV personality. He's a nobody. He was Obama's punk ass little white boy for 8 yrs. That's it. Most people know this is gonna be a blowout and aren't as hyped for this election as 2016. Biden boomers were ready for Trump 2020 before Biden even won the primary. They just didn't know it.
Don't underestimate how many simple thinking misogynistic idiots are eligible to vote. If Hillary Clinton had a dick, she may have eked out a victory in 2016 despite all the vitriol against her. It is possible any man might have won, but any female would have lost. Millions of Americans, both male and female, would not vote for a woman to be pres or VP, and that's that. Yes, so many people are that closed minded and ignorant. Biden should pick a man as running mate if he wants to have any chance at all of winning an election. Female running mate did not work out well for Mondale/Ferraro, another lame duck candidate and it won't work for Biden either.
Doesn't matter much anyway. Biden is just a place holder to go through the motions. Bernie would lose too. Old guys that have no future in politics anyway. No legit candidate with future ambition would run this year against Trump and become forever branded a loser. Career suicide.
Unfortunately, the only way Biden (or anybody else) beats Trump, is if things get MUCH worse than expected regarding the virus and the economy, to the point beyond everybody's biggest nightmares. Even then, anything can get spun and sold. The whole thing is a joke. The masses will continue believe what the snake oil salesman says. Sad story but true.
Also, Turtle is right. California is locked in as a Democrat state for electorates, and overall popular vote is meaningless. The only votes that matter to potentially change anything is in the swing states. No popular votes in firm red or blue states matter. Dysfunctional system.
>>>>>I've studied these topics in a good bit of depth from an international perspective. My experience shows me that the "vote for the lesser of two evils" mentality that your espousing is the root of the problem you all are in, not the solution
Hmm.
History.
It's a bitch.
In 1968 the Dems nominated Hubert Humphrey, a centrist if there ever was one, over McCarthy and McGovern, the more progressive candidates. Nixon won.
In 1972 the Dems nominated the progressive (for the times) McGovern over Humphrey. Nixon slaughtered him.
Thanks ogkb.
Good luck with getting progressives to reshape politics.
Some progressive ideas are healthy.
As for this all or nothing approach to political thought?
>>>just to be clear -- you're the utah guy that's for protecting our public lands, and you support biden, from the start?
Exactly. Why that is a mystery to you surprises me, to put it nicely.
In my opinion....
Of the candidates that had a chance to win, I supported Biden. Thought it's our best chance to get A MAJORITY OF THE NATION, not just progressives and Demos, to vote for a Democrat, and in states that matter in the electoral college game. Period. This election is about what, maybe 5-6 states? And Biden can win those states. That is job one, to get the occupant out. THEN, we can talk about the rest of the issues you and I are so passionate about and maybe get something done with a Demo house and possibly a Demo Senate. IMO, a moderate Demo has a better chance of getting voters to give him the Senate. Now will the Demo's be our champions without raising our voices? Hell no, they're freakin' politicians. They follow money, too. They will disappoint anyone who thinks it will all be alright once that happens. Like Bruce Babbitt told the enviros during the Clinton/Gore administration "Make me do the right thing." Enviros had to put in the work and create pressure even with those three in there. And he only reason Clinton declared Grand Staircase and stopped the mining was to win Colorado and California electoral votes in the next election by pleasing the enviros in those states. He probably didn't give a rat's ass about Utah's lands. Never saw the shit and declared the monument from the Grand Canyon in Arizona. But it worked - until the current administration. Politrix.
The only reason Utah got new wilderness last year is because the bill was packaged in an Omnibus bill that powerful Senator Lisa Murkowski wanted and was NOT going to be stopped or postponed. She wanted to drill for oil in Alaska, dammit. Rural county commissioners in Utah met at 6 AM to approve their part of the package in a packed room of pissed off ranchers in order to get word to DC in time. Politics is a messed up biz, and if you don't know how to play the game, you get screwed.
Ever hear of the Bears Ears National Monument that Obama declared? How about Grand Staircase, a National Monument for the last 20 years? Reduced significantly by the occupant.
Have you seen all the lands BLM is leasing for oil and gas drilling like it's a freakin' fire sale. This guy makes James Watt look like Jacques Cousteau. Once those contracts are locked up we could be screwed. Wanna see some stuff, go to https://suwa.org/ See what we're losing and what's at stake. Utah is over 60% federal lands. His policies are devastating.
Elections are about convincing people to vote for your candidate. That's it. You can't even sway people on a message board, members who are probably sympathetic to most your views.
Now you may dig up some decades old vote where Biden approved a mine or some crap. Irrelevant at this point. We need to get the occupant out. Period. Stop the destruction first, then figure out how to heal if you can. And raise holy hell if they sell out, cause they WILL follow the money.
If you're looking for a saint or a revolutionary to fix this country there are none. Politics is a slimy game where you usually take your wins incrementally and have to settle for less than perfect everytime. And Biden certainly isn't perfect, far from it.
Pragmatism is a tough pill for idealists. I live in Utah. I understand. Peace to you, Pheat.
Oh, the latest thing - the BLM is proposing a new categorical exclusion under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) that would allow up to 10,000 acre projects to mechanically remove pinyon pine and juniper trees on public lands with no environmental analysis, public accountability, or public input. Comments due by the 13th. https://suwa.org/
Ohhh, I thaught this was a pro wrestling thread, IT'S RIGGED, deep down we all know this, but the dream of an older,wiser, un- baught candidate was nice for a while
Ohhh, I thaught this was a pro wrestling thread, IT'S RIGGED, deep down we all know this, but the dream of an older,wiser, un- baught candidate was nice for a while
Dude, it's either sleepy Joe or His Orangeness at this point. If you prefer Trump that's your business. Maybe by the time you retire SCOTUS will be tolerable again. I'll be dead by then. Good luck.
I guessed you missed the part where there now two, count 'em, TWO candidates. One flawed more than the other. You can only choose one, or waste your vote (depending on the state). Sad but that's the reality. Take care and good luck.
How hard is it to grasp that Bernie threw in the towel because he accepts that removing Trump from office is more important than any other factor in this election?
Oh, the latest thing - the BLM is proposing a new categorical exclusion under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) that would allow up to 10,000 acre projects to mechanically remove pinyon pine and juniper trees on public lands with no environmental analysis, public accountability, or public input. Comments due by the 13th. https://suwa.org/
im so sick and tired of those sjw black lives matter cucks trying to destroy our national forests and open spaces in order to further their authoritarian PC intersectional worldview
For some it was never about Bernie or his platform. He was just a means to saying "fuck the Man, burn it down." Trump is the Man, so is Biden. The entire political system is. They don't care what Bernie asks of them, or why.
These people will someday have kids and grandkids, who will be incredibly adversely effected by a Trump stacked SCOTUS. They aren't going to be able to burn it down and start over, so they're just cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
Let's hope that enough of them, in the swing states, have enough sense to see this. It's not about Trump or Biden, it's a SCOTUS that will shoot down and progressive reforms for the next generation.
Who cares about the Bernie Bois in the non swing states? Let them rant and rave.
challenge for all confirmed or potential biden voters - please explain why someone who is on the fence should vote for joe biden without talking about, naming, or refering to donald trump
To further universal health care, fight for a livable wage, combat global warming and balance the Supreme Court for starters.
The Green Party or Libertarian Party or some other party or independent may better represent your interests. You're free to vote for them. They won't get elected.
"For some it was never about Bernie or his platform. He was just a means to saying "fuck the Man, burn it down."'
OK so as someone who frequently visits Sanders voter groups I can say I've never, not once seen a so-called "BernieBoi" lol.... let alone a Sanders voter speak such nonsense.
Biden has stuck by the Affordable Care Act, Obama's signature healthcare plan, but has offered proposals for enormous new subsidies to make coverage through Obamacare's exchanges less expensive. His plan includes a new "public option" that would allow people to buy into a program his campaign says would be similar to Medicare.
The proposal would carry a price tag of $750 billion over 10 years, his campaign has said.
Biden is proposing to foot the bill by raising income taxes on the wealthiest Americans to 39.6% -- reversing part of the Republican-led Congress' 2017 tax cut law that reduced that rate -- and by requiring those who earn more than $1 million per year to pay 39.6% taxes on capital gains, rather than the current 20%.
Biden
Biden has proposed a climate crisis plan that would set the US on track to eliminate net greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.
The proposal embraces elements of the progressive Green New Deal and seeks to go "well beyond" Obama's climate goals.
As part of the proposal, Biden is calling for an end to fossil fuel subsidies and a ban on new oil and gas permits on public lands. Like other Democrats, he would also reenter the Paris climate accord, the landmark 2015 agreement on emissions reductions that Trump withdrew from during his first year in office.
Biden's plan leaves Congress to decide what enforcement mechanism would be used to require corporations in the United States to meet the goals he lays out -- and penalize them if they fall short.
The plan carries a price tag of $1.7 trillion in its first 10 years, including $400 billion for research between universities and the private sector.
Biden would pay for it by undoing the tax cuts enacted by Trump and congressional Republicans.
Biden's immigration platform outlines a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants while calling for broad reversals of Trump's border policies.
Biden's plan would invest $4 billion in Central America in an effort to deliver "measurable reductions" in violence to slow migration to the US.
His platform would also raise the US refugee admissions cap from the current 18,000 to 125,000.
In an interview with CNN in July 2019, Biden said he opposes decriminalizing crossing the border without documentation. "I think people should have to get in line, but if people are coming because they're actually seeking asylum, they should have a chance to make their case."
Education
Biden
Biden's education platform would increase funding for schools in low-income areas, help teachers pay off their education debt and double the number of health professionals working in schools.
The plan would prioritize competitive pay for teachers, expanding access to preschool for 3- and 4-year-olds and districts offering rigorous coursework.
After those, Biden's plan would leave it to school districts to identify their biggest needs to address with the remaining funding bump.
He's said that "the bulk of" his education proposals can become law even if Republicans maintain control of the Senate after the 2020 elections.
Biden has not offered details on how much the plan would cost overall or how he proposes to pay for it.
A separate plan focused on higher education proposes two free years of community college that his campaign says would cost $750 billion per year.
Gun violence
Biden
Biden's gun control plan would require owners of assault-style rifles to either sell their firearms through a voluntary buyback program or register them with the federal government.
The plan would addresses urban gun violence with an eight-year, $900 million program that would go toward efforts to combat shootings in 40 cities with the highest rates of gun violence.
It would eliminate legal protections that prevent gun manufacturers from being held liable for how their products are used.
Biden is also proposing a series of measures that have been widely-backed in the Democratic primary including closing loopholes in background checks before gun purchases, banning the sale of assault-style rifles and high-capacity magazines, and allowing states to implement "red flag" laws.
Joe is far from my perfect candidate but I do have confidence that he would appoint qualified, decent people to lead key departments, agencies, and the courts which, in my view, would help right our currently skewed and flawed government at least back to more what it historically has been and hopefully towards what could be improvements. I cannot recall ever voting for a perfect candidate and our system certainly has its frustrating points and pieces but certainly should work for We The People and the goal should always be to that end. Voting and being engaged matters. Candidates and parties can get in the way of that but that is the vehicle we have. I am open to discussing and hearing about it but do not really care to ARGUE with people over their choices or preferences because that would probably be to change minds which is what it is too. I think most people have already decided whom they are voting for in Nov and there will be significant resources spent in swing states to sway Independents and those whom otherwise may be on the fence. Same old tired story I know. People generally love licorice and/or strawberries or maybe not at all, right? It sucks that our political environment is increasingly polarized. I have strong views on many things that may or may not get addressed by whatever party or candidate but, in general, Democratic platforms and candidates generally more so resonate with me and my views. Nobody gets exactly what they want but I care about some semblance of fairness, clean air, water, and other environmental concerns as well as a free and just system and country that at least attempts to work for everyone. I know - a large canopy and lofty goals. I have said it before and stand by my view that both parties have deep flaws, basically suck, and are geared towards money and big corporate power but, as has been stated across this thread, we are again/still faced to pick one or the other (...or a spoiler, if one prefers that route) and I will choose Joe. Wasn't it Ross Perot, Spoiler, whom threw an expensive wrench into things which basically ushered in Bill Clinton, for better or worse, depending upon your view and sway. Perot was never going to win but he had some ideas and fervent supporters, just nowhere near enough, and they basically chipped into Bush1's electorate and potential 2nd term....probably on the single phrase of "Read My Lips, No New Taxes!" LOL
Joe has already vowed to pick/have a female VP on his ticket which I applaud...even though it is discriminatory by definition to so broadly potentially eliminate "the best possible candidate" whom may actually be a male?. There are many qualified women out there (I would put odds on Amy if there is a Zoner Pool. The likely political calculus, yes, is on educated suburban women and upper midwest appeal, on top of the fact that Joe keeps name-dropping her) but I know there is a lotta resistance from across all corners on that too. I am one whom cannot stand HRC but I voted for her in 2016 because of the shitty choice I had to again make.
I don't see anyone lapping up what Biden's been doing, heater. I see sensible adults reacting to the reality of the situation: Bernie's revolution failed and now we've all moved on to the task at hand, which is defeating Trump. Seems pretty simple to me.
There's no reasoning or discussion with Heater. He knows everything and is some sort of media and political savant. The rest of us are idiots. He's told us all so, ad nauseum.
I never said burn it down, but way to misquote me, Ned.
I said no voter is under any kind of moral or ethical obligation to vote for a candidate who they feel does not represent them.
I also said that four more years of Trump are the only way the American populace is going to counter-react in a way that will institute policies that actually make a difference, so in that sense, a Trump reelection would be better than Biden. A Biden presidency is just a continuation of the not-so-slow and constant drift towards a far-right center. A Trump presidency would push things to an extreme that would cause an interesting reaction.
I'm sorry but grow the fuck up. Many people don't have the luxury of being able to sustain another 4 years under Republican control. I strongly believe that Biden will help those people, even if it's not on the grand utopian scale of Sanders. Knowing that kids' will no longer be locked in cages at the Southern border is enough for me. Why isn't that enough for you assholes?
They don't get it, JR. They think that they can have it all now, as long as Bernie is leading the way. What they don't get is that he's too fucking polarizing and would get little through Congress, and there's a good chance the Dems would lose the House.
We're not going to have that revolution. It has to come in steps, and even Biden will start us on that path.
Probably, and I guarantee that Bernie also would. At least there'd be some discrimination and accountability as to who he bombs.
I have a feeling that once someone becomes POTUS, and becomes privy to certain intelligence, they reLize that that can't just stop on a dime. Trump doesn't give a fuck, but I bet it ate at Obama.
Lots of folks with lots of complaints, but like I asked heat last week, what have you done to work for change? It was a big fat zero, nothing. He just complains.
Let's hear some REALISTIC solutions from you.
I noticed when they passed the "relief" bill, even though everybody seemed on-board with aid, it took Nancy saying "Fuck you, it doesn't do enough for everybody" and passing a companion bill in the house and then shoving that up the repubs asses and getting SOME relief for the people, NOT just corporations. That's how politics works and that's why you folks thinking Bernie was just gonna wave a magic wand and change the world is so preposterous. Gotta get real if ya wanna make it happen.
they actually sorta kinda tried to barely stand up to the republican machine...it only took the entire metldown of the fucking country's economic system...
i understand being realistic slick, and your posts are polite and well written.
^The older are the ones who seems the most confused. You guys are are so happy to vote for a guy who is virtually the same as mitt Romney. Mitt was never accused of sexual groping a woman though. Ned gets my vote for most white privelaged zoner of the year though. Congrats bud
So, in 2024 who is going to be the Progressive candidate with the "it factor?" Who is that person with a personality, ability to build a coalition, and mobilize the youth tho get off their asses?
Face it, this election is done. Either Biden or Trump will win. Who knows? Neither will run again in 2024. Who is the viable up and comer? Between now and then, will there be more Progressives in Congress, especially the Senate?
Self-employed sole proprietor paying my own health-care and putting a kid through college paying cash. I work 6-7 days a week, gratefully, knowing I have obligations to many people other than myself. I don't complain, I just work harder knowing the college expense ends in a year. I hope to drop down a gear then, but have no real retirement or pension (a little saved). Yep, white privilege'd.
Been a fan following Bernie since he was congressmen. Has changed your establishment democratic platform last two election so suck a dick and enjoy last election you have the advantage.
2024 progressives will top 50% of donkeys and you will be in minority. Won't be able to say "But Trump"
Dan, Progressives currently make up 20% of Congress. It's actually over 25% of the House, and 2% of the Senate. You think they'll pick up 130+ seats, between both chambers, in 4 years? I hope they do, but that's a tall order.
Any outrage towards Bernie for backing a liar and molester?
if voting districts are kept gerrymandered, voters kept suppressed/disenfranchised, media/news outlets continue their tripe, no...we will be stuck in this capitalistic every man/nation for themselves as the earth and the political climate continue to hurt most of the population...
IMO - Ain't gonna be Porter. First-term white congresswoman from California. Ain't happening.
In fact, I'm surprised he's talking Kamala. Doesn't need the black vote and Cal is voting blue already. I like her though, nothing against her. Just politically, it seems a little surprising to me.
They kind of beat Bernie in a primary. I really don't think that they crushed the ideals. Biden's platform seems to have adopted a bunch of it. The sky isn't falling, Chicken Little.
of course not. god is a silly premise. so is this argument tho. we all know what side everyone is on by now. time to let things play out.
and you of all people should get out of the political prediction business circa 2020. whatever crystal ball you think you got has been wrong all year long dude
sure man. I get that. I am no better and I know it. you know I do
but you are very verbose in your prognostications and you have been dead fucking wrong. at some point I would have thought a slice of humble pie would have been served and you would chill with telling the rest of the group exactly what is gonna happen next
you dont know and none of us here knows either but you sure as shit talk like you do all the damn time
I am in agreement with you sir. if I am setting odds, Biden is a 5 to 1 dog and that could go to 10 to 1 if the NFL gets started on time. I aint kidding about that. I think the voting public is that fucking petty that if football was back by mid Sept, Trump would coast in Nov
but I do see clear potential for potus to fuck this current situation up bigly. and if it hits FL hard or PA/OH/MI/WI hard... I think Biden has a punchers chance to grab anger and run with it.
and for you dolts who think this guy is resident evil on the zone, you are fucking mistaken. PH can come hard on the zone but the dude is good people. nobody works harder. dude earns everything he has and treats the people he considers friends like gold
Damn, and people give me shit for going on and on... and on, about the same subject.
We do all love to be "in-the-know", don't we?
>>>So, in 2024 who is going to be the Progressive candidate with the "it factor?" Who is that person with a personality, ability to build a coalition, and mobilize the youth tho get off their asses?<<<
I don't know about all these labels, but my uneducated opinion is saying that Gavin Newsom and his gleaming white smile is coming and coming hard to an election near you in 2024.
Well, the Q thing is just my own preference (and a little good-natured trolling) and the Furthur rehearsals WERE awesome (and I haven't said anything about that in a LONG time, good memory).
I don't know anything about politics, but I've thought for years now that Newsom is on the quest for the Big Chair, and nothing has changed my opinion about that.
The Orange One's reign of terror just makes it seem more likely to me.
And nice props to your friend drkstar. Keepin' it real on the black screen.
Newsom sure would get my wife's vote... she has been crushing on the dude for years.
I think the job he is doing in CA is being overshadowed by Cuomo only because shit is worse in NYC/NY then CA. well newsflash folks.. that would be because Gov Dreamboat was more proactive then anyone in the shelter in place business and he has been running things like a top despite the being one of the 1st hotspots and getting shitty cruise ships shoved down your throat, have to undock sick peeps before we were taking protective measures for our healthcare professionals.
I am in HR kinda... I recruit. and folks who have had to file for UI tell me there claims have been approved and they have approved payments already. these claims were filed like 2 weeks ago when the shit hit the fan.
thats good governance where I come from. so thrilled to live in CA. so lucky to be here
I know you do the same for your friends, Lance. back atcha sir
If I gave you the finger would I be calling you names? Or swearing?
If I said you were so unbelievably lost would I be calling you names?
You are
"fucking hilarious and totally sad. oh well. "
maybe you are not as lost as you present. (LLTD Name calling)
If I called you a hypocrite would I be calling you names ? Or just suggesting that you see the person in the mirror (biggest name caller/ insult tosser on the zone ) if you choose to! I will not hold my breath lol
listen to some music and take a walk. Do Not forget to breathe
Go ahead as a self proclaimed passionate "radical" - blow it all uper ( trumps pitch too FYI)
you just "unwittingly " continue to allow or even support trumps re-election (make your rant / reply calling me an idiot / psychobabbler short please / this is just my observation and pinion)
OGPZ. Dude relax. I'm sorry stated that poorly. I should have said he pretty much has black support already. Super Tuesday proved that. And Biden isn't a 5-1 dog as you suggested. He's 8 points ahead of Trump right now.
My point was - with the black support he enjoys already, choosing a black woman from Cali might not do as much for him strategically as choosing the Latina governor of New Mexico to engage Hispanics or Klobuchar to seal up the Midwest and the battleground states in that area. Choosing Warren would help extend his reach to the "progressives' whatever the fuck that means. (Like I'm not?) That's what I was trying to say and did so poorly. I'm not pontificating who, but none of those three would surprise me much.
And you're right about the lack of color in Utah. Every August, the combined return of the Utah Jazz basketball team and the University of Utah football team doubles the population of blacks in Utah. For years, momo scripture has taught all blacks are descendants of Cain who killed his brother Able. Brigham Young described black people as cursed with dark skin as punishment for Cain’s murder of his brother. “Any man having one drop of the seed of Cane in him cannot hold the priesthood,” he declared in 1852. Young deemed black-white intermarriage so sinful that he suggested that a man could atone for it only by having “his head cut off” and spilling “his blood upon the ground.” Other Mormon leaders convinced themselves that the pre-existent spirits of black people had sinned in heaven by supporting Lucifer in his rebellion against God.
As The Atlantic magazine reported, "Until a few decades ago, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints taught that they “shall be a white and a delightsome people,” a phrase taken from the Book of Mormon. Until the 1970s, the LDS Church also restricted black members’ participation in important rituals and prohibited black men from becoming priests."
Faced with losing their tax-exempt status on all their property holdings around the world, the "profit" had a revelation that God changed his mind and blacks could indeed hold the priesthood. So you can see why black people might feel a little unwelcome, and today blacks make up just over 1% of the population of Utah. But things are changing as in-migration happens.
As folksinger Vance Gilbert once remarked after looking at the crowd at his concert, "Wow, am I the only chip in the cookie? Oh wait, there's a brother."
Probably because they were so broke they couldn't afford new uniforms. The name thing hasn't been lost on the locals, but "Jazz " ain't going nowhere.
When the Jazz arrived, sometimes crowds were sparse at the Salt Palace. One story goes that a fan spotted Jazz Coach Frank Layden (a GREAT GREAT man), on the street and asked what time the game started that night, and he replied "What time can ya be there?"
During the glory years, Karl Malone and John Stockton had a car dealership together called "Stockton to Malone Honda", named after the phrase announcer Hot Rod Hundley made popular as John had quite a few assists with Karl. But you don't wanna buy a car from them. First, you'll never see the title. And if you try to take the car back east, it can't get past Chicago. Ba-dump. I'm here all week.
...Hey Now, Slick - as long as Centrists are getting slaughtered 'up in here' (lol), what are your thoughts on Jon Huntsman and his re-run attempt at Governor there? I really liked him as Governor when I lived there and thought he was doing well in trying to move things in a more positive, dare I say realistic and progressive, direction and was disappointed when Obama tapped him for an international post. Too bad he could not get out of the primaries when he was trying for President. From afar, I would like to see him in that seat once again. I know he's "just another RINO" to many GOPrs but that is usually a good sign that said candidate/politician is not a far-right crazy bird. Much MUCH better than flip-flop Romney anyway and also one of the few present-day Republicans I could ever vote for too. IMO.You?
Biden ain't shutting any of those camps down. That's just another false claim. Boomers love false claims though. It makes them get all riled up about politics and stuff
"It is a moral failing and a national shame when a father and his baby daughter drown seeking our shores. When children are locked away in overcrowded detention centers and the government seeks to keep them there indefinitely. When our government argues in court against giving those children toothbrushes and soap. When President Trump uses family separation as a weapon against desperate mothers, fathers, and children seeking safety and a better life. When he threatens massive raids that would break up families who have been in this country for years and targets people at sensitive locations like hospitals and schools. When children die while in custody due to lack of adequate care.
Trump has waged an unrelenting assault on our values and our history as a nation of immigrants.
It’s wrong, and it stops when Joe Biden is elected president....."
There's a difference between advocating for real change and putting your head in the sand and perpetuating the toxic situation the incumbent represents. There is no "win" in allowing Trump another 4 years in office. A hand-cuffed Supreme Court for decades, more environmental abuse and a blind eye to global warming, unqualified people in important administrative posts? Is that what you want?
Let's see if I'm grocking the progressive position.
> Donald as good as, if not Better then Joe.
> Putin's second favorite politician (the one who praises Russian President Vladimir Putin over Obama) is wonderful.
> Then there's Tara Reade. As per Tara; ""I love Russia with all my heart ... President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader."
This thread has legs. I nominate the bbros for chief ministers of propaganda. Long after America's decided, and even after their candidate has dropped out of the race, these fuckers just keep churning it out. Hardy stamina in the face of such unpopular reality for them. But to not take a shot on the last one left standing whoever it might be, is unfathomable. Dire dim grim disaster vs a shot at a remedy, and they're still doing their best to conjure up reasons to not align. Un fuckung real to the umpteenth power, really sad
If ya try sometime ya just might find,,,,, ya get what you need
Bloomberg is a republican lol. He has the same ideological sense as a republican and he was still a republican from 07-18. He was just off the books. Do you approve of stop and frisk too? Does it get anymore republican than that?
Yes, Ateix. Many Baby Boomers were up in arms to vote for Blooomberg and willing to look past search and frisk because they are old white privileged males who have never or would never have to be subject to those kind of racial injustices.
Can we get back to that article? If you want to make the case that Biden is Republican lite, you have plenty of policies to draw on. The fact that Bloomberg's PR firm is vying to take over his campaign isn't that good proof. It's interesting, but irrelevant to the point.
Mike Bloomberg donated to George H.W. Bush. Mike Bloomberg donated to George W. Bush. Mike Bloomberg donated to Rudy Giuliani. Mike Bloomberg donated to Mitt Romney. Mike Bloomberg donated to Pat Toomey. Mike Bloomberg donated to Peter King.
Bloomberg is a billionaire who hates another Billionaire, Trump. The Intercept is a marginal propaganda source that is 85% funded by a billionaire who hates Bloomberg and Trump.
Why is Bloomberg even being discussed here? Because your billionaire overlord wants it that way.
He has also supported Democratic candidates, Pyramid.
Short list of canidates who Bloomberg has supported...
Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hi.
• Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass.
• Seth Moulton, D-Mass.
• Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine
• Rep. Joe Crowley, D-N.Y.
• Kathleen Rice, D-N.Y.
• Brad Ashford, D-Neb
Bob Dold, R-Ill.: $1.9 million
• Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn.: $513,000
• Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick, R-Pa.: $174,000
Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo.
• Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill.*
• Rep. Joe Crowley, D-N.Y.
• Anna Throne-Holst, D-N.Y.*
• Rep. Seth Moulton, D-Mass.
• Rep. Pete King, R-N.Y.
• Rep. Dan Donovan, R-N.Y.
• Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
• Kamala Harris, D-Calif
I guess it's not adding up for me. I'd assume that Hawkfish already had access to that data when they ran Bloomberg's campaign. As the article states, it's currently open source to any candidate. Assuming that they get the Biden contract, how would they then own the data? Does it say that anywhere, or is it a lot of "could" and "would?"
I'm not saying that it's kosher, but I'm seeing fear-mongering more than facts.
So U think Rudy was kind and looked out for the best interests of minority New Yorkers?
Black leaders, Mr. Giuliani said in 1994, had to “learn how to discipline themselves in the way in which they speak” if they expected to chat with him. The city’s welfare-state philosophy, he said later, was racist and “enslaved” black New Yorkers. Fran Reiter, one of Mr. Giuliani’s deputy mayors.ssid; “...he was obsessed with the notion there were certain groups he couldn’t win over. And he wasn’t even going to try.”
The thing has nothing to do with Bloomberg, Rudy, Hawkfish or Kingfish.
The thing is that you (centrists) must make a convincing argument to those who would not otherwise vote (this might be me, except, I do vote) to come out and support your guy. So far, you have failed to convince me.
And it's not that I won't vote. I still will vote. But how are you going to get all the other "young voters" that ultimate will not, when the convincing argument isnt made?
NYC Dave, how was Bloomberg a better Mayor? Did things get better in NYC? No way. He did commit to his goal though which was to even further disenfranchise the black community and strengthen prisons for profit. He arguably made the city even worse than Rudy.
What would it take to convince you, Ateix. I could link to Biden's platform, which has moved firmly to the left, and people say it's bullshit lies. I could point to his statement the other day saying, "I hear you, and I will act...," and it will be painted as bullshit pandering. I could say that he's better than Trump, and the response is that he's the same.
All I have is that the next president will get 2 SCOTUS picks, and that Biden will appoint people who will ensure that there can be a progressive agenda, while Trumps picks will fuck up this country for over a generation. In a lot of ways, that has to be enough. A Trump stacked SCOTUS will whittle away at Roe, equal rights, LGBTQ+ rights, the environment, etc.
Ateix, the choice is either Trump or Biden, no other candidate has a chance. Right now the Supreme Court has a 5-4 conservative majority, that majority will be 6-3 or 7-2 if Trump wins a second term. Most, if not all, of the progressive agenda will be DOA for the next 20-30 years.
This is the most compelling reason to vote Democrat for president, IMO
ogkb pyramidheat on Saturday, April 11, 2020 – 08:33 am
what's wrong w/ you, lltd?
you literally add nothing to this site. lol. you just pop in and spit up a little bit like an infant.
LOL. Pot meet kettle.
You should try reading some of those stories you post links for Heat.
First the Bloomberg/Biden one says they are bidding to work for Joe, as they are with many other organizations. The article talks about Biden's cash available for the primaries, which seems like dated news to me. But they are not taking over his campaign. They'd be working for it and supplying information.
And "The Intercept"? You might have read about that source for your news in your other posted link. Their "progressive" pedigree might fail in your purity rating system. It's funded by a billionaire. "The Intercept and its parent company are still almost entirely dependent on one billionaire, Pierre Omidyar, and his gifts of stock in eBay and PayPal. Omidyar’s funding of First Look Media, totaling almost $90 million between 2013 and 2017, has helped cover the cost of salaries at The Intercept that dwarf those at other center-left, nonprofit outlets." Owned by a BILLIONAIRE (Yikes!). Co-founder Glenn Greenwald rakes in half a mill a year and lives "in a gated community on the edge of Rio de Janeiro", he takes donations from readers (read the working class) to support his lifestyle. He raked in more than $1.6 milllon from 2014 to 2017. The owner paid his editor in chief $370,000 in 2017 and his co-founder raked in $350,000 in 2015. More current reports are not available, I guess. Pretty good money for an online news outlet not too many have heard of. One former staffer, former Harper’s reporter Ken Silverstein, has written a tell-all for Politico entitled, “Where Journalism Goes to Die.”
In comparison, the article says "In 2017, Mother Jones, another left-of-center news outlet, paid its DC bureau chief David Corn $171,298 in reportable compensation; Clara Jeffery, vice president and editor-in-chief of the magazine, earned just under $200,000. At The Marshall Project, a nonprofit news site focused on criminal justice reform, the highest paid employee is managing editor Kristen Danis, who earned $198,850, according to its latest 990 filing; Bill Keller, a former executive editor at The New York Times, made $178,675 as the site’s editor-in-chief. (Keller is retiring, a spokesperson noted.)"
Goddamned rich folks are everywhere. Even in politics. Imagine that.
Relax bro. We're gonna have an election in November. Trump vs Biden. And we're gonna work our asses off to get Trump outta there. IMO, the thing to do now is make sure Trump and his cronies in the state houses don't manipulate participation in the election and suppress voting rights. If we can do that, he's toast. Then we can work on other stuff, OK?
Hypothetically, after he nominated a judge why would the senate vote him in? Unless he senate majority changes it doesn't matter at all who he nominates.
If Biden can't get through his SCOTUS picks, then a progressive president couldn't get through any progressive policies, correct? He/she could sign executive orders, but they'd be overturned by the current SCOTUS.
Maybe you should push for violent revolution. It seems like the only way.
As for proving to progressives that Joe is better then Donald, do progressives seriously need that?
Does anyone remember (a progressive) Ralph Nader's run for POTUS? For those who don't remember, his 2000 candidacy stirred controversy, with several studies suggesting that Nader's candidacy helped Republican George W. Bush win a close election against Democrat Al Gore.
In fairness to Nader, his activism has been directly credited with the passage of several landmark pieces of American consumer protection legislation including the Clean Water Act, the Freedom of Information Act, the Consumer Product Safety Act, the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, the Whistleblower Protection Act, and the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety.
That said, the results of his 2000 POTOS run left a mark on America's history that does not paint him in the best light.
Unless current progressives believe that George Bush was swell.
Slack, if you moved to Vermont I'd rent you my apartment at a very reasonable rate. Pools aren't really a thing here, but you could make bank plowing driveways. We have good schools, Bernie and Heater. Come and join us.
Bernie is asking you to vote for Fingerbang Joe also, and what he says has much more sway than Ned or Slick. He obviously doesn't believe women. Have you emailed Bernie to lambaste him for it, or do you reserve that for a few nobodys on the Viva?
Heat, I went back and listened to her interview and frankly, no, I can't say I believe her. I don't believe Joe Biden started forcibly kissing on someone then immediately went to second base like that.
Not sure what she's seeking to do after all these years, or who she might be getting paid by, but in this particular case, I have strong doubts as to her veracity.
of course you don't believe her, you have to vote for biden. would you believe one of biden's senior advisors is harvey weinsteins damage control attorney. odd pick, wouldn't you say?
so sad how the centrists say "believe women", except once it happens to their guy. totally fucked up.
if you listened that piece and don't believe her -- wow. right on.
<<<<>>>>Bernie is asking you to vote for Fingerbang Joe also, and what he says has much more sway than Ned or Slick. He obviously doesn't believe women. Have you emailed Bernie to lambaste him for it, or do you reserve that for a few nobodys on the Viva?
has bernie endorsed joe biden?
and what's up my little psychobabble baby?
having a nice day? feel free to post those insults, i know it's tearing you up inside not to.
Heat, you might, I say might, be interested in this NY Times story that arrived in my inbox this morning, written by two women, that casts doubt on her story as well. Sorry it doesn't quite fit your narrative. Now you do realize that movies and TV are fake and that people have the ability to act to get you to believe something, right? It IS possible to do that, right? And this accusation is from someone who has written in support of Putin, right? If Biden is the predator you suggest, more credible accusations from 27 years ago may surface.
WASHINGTON — A former Senate aide who last year accused Joseph R. Biden Jr. of inappropriate touching has made an allegation of sexual assault against the former vice president, the Democratic Party’s presumptive presidential nominee this fall.
The former aide, Tara Reade, who briefly worked as a staff assistant in Mr. Biden’s Senate office, told The New York Times that in 1993, Mr. Biden pinned her to a wall in a Senate building, reached under her clothing and penetrated her with his fingers. A friend said that Ms. Reade told her the details of the allegation at the time. Another friend and a brother of Ms. Reade’s said she told them over the years about a traumatic sexual incident involving Mr. Biden.
A spokeswoman for Mr. Biden said the allegation was false. In interviews, several people who worked in the Senate office with Ms. Reade said they did not recall any talk of such an incident or similar behavior by Mr. Biden toward her or any women. Two office interns who worked directly with Ms. Reade said they were unaware of the allegation or any treatment that troubled her.
Last year, Ms. Reade and seven other women came forward to accuse Mr. Biden of kissing, hugging or touching them in ways that made them feel uncomfortable. Ms. Reade told The Times then that Mr. Biden had publicly stroked her neck, wrapped his fingers in her hair and touched her in ways that made her uncomfortable.
Soon after Ms. Reade made the new allegation, in a podcast interview released on March 25, The Times began reporting on her account and seeking corroboration through interviews, documents and other sources. The Times interviewed Ms. Reade on multiple days over hours, as well as those she told about Mr. Biden’s behavior and other friends. The Times has also interviewed lawyers who spoke to Ms. Reade about her allegation; nearly two dozen people who worked with Mr. Biden during the early 1990s, including many who worked with Ms. Reade; and the other seven women who criticized Mr. Biden last year, to discuss their experiences with him.
No other allegation about sexual assault surfaced in the course of reporting, nor did any former Biden staff members corroborate any details of Ms. Reade’s allegation. The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden.
I wonder if these two female investigative reporters who spent hours and hours on the story suffer from centrist white piviledge also? Could be like a virus. Could be everywhere!
of course i read that trash piece by the nyt -- dude they're in it for the establishment, i guess you don't see this, it's fine, but that's who they approve of. make light of that all you want -- they hate bernie, and have been propping you biden as much as they can.
below was taken out of the story -- i wonder why? b/c they did find a history and pattern, and are choosing to ignore it, like you.
shameful.
and just to be clear -- bernie has not been accused of rape, like trump and biden.
Ah, now it's fake news. Dude, you continue to erode your credibility more and more each day. Answer an accusation, and you switch and deflect to something else. Good luck to you.
Wonder why, if this actually happened, she didn't hang on to her paperwork?
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"Ms. Reade, who worked as a staff assistant helping manage the office interns, said she also filed a complaint with the Senate in 1993 about Mr. Biden; she said she did not have a copy of it, and such paperwork has not been located. The Biden campaign said it did not have a complaint."
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Hmmmm, can't remember when it happened?
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The Biden campaign issued a statement from Ms. Baker, Mr. Biden’s executive assistant from 1982 to 2000.
“I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct, period — not from Ms. Reade, not from anyone,” she said. “I have absolutely no knowledge or memory of Ms. Reade’s accounting of events, which would have left a searing impression on me as a woman professional, and as a manager.”
Melissa Lefko, a former staff assistant for Mr. Biden from 1992 to 1993, said she did not remember Ms. Reade. But she recalled that Mr. Biden’s office was a “very supportive environment for women” and said she had never experienced any kind of harassment there.
“When you work on the Hill, everyone knows who the good guys are and who the bad guys are, and Biden was a good guy,” she said.
Ms. Reade said that she could not remember the exact time, date or location of the assault but that it occurred in a “semiprivate” place in the Senate office complex.
Later in the story....."In 2017, Ms. Reade retweeted praise for Mr. Biden and his work combating sexual assault."
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Heat, you're not going to turn me into a target for people who will suggest "this is why women don't report". It's just too bad this particualr person is not more credible. It seems the only real evidence she has is she told people it happened. She could be a head case and a liar. Maybe she was mad she was only temporary and it didn't go full-time. She doesn't remember when or where and doesn't have a copy of her complaint she filed with the government. That's something someone would hang onto. Sorry, I support women, but this one has serious credibility issues.
Lol, what does that tweet or whatever that is have to do with Biden fingering her against her will? People will use anything to justify them being ok with Biden committing sexual assault. Really is disappointing to watch people defend him.
Hate? Don't speak for me, dude. You're a bit insane. The only person I have what might be considered "hate" for is the occupant, due to the destruction he has wrought upon our country and it's innocent citizens, who are dying through no fault of their own. It's his fault he did not act sooner. Gotta do whatever we can to get him out and take over the Senate.
It might blow your little mind, but I AM a registered republican. As a liberal democrat in Utah, the most subversive thing one can do is register with the republican party. (Closed primary. Must be registered to participate in their primaries, unlike the open Demo primaries). Then we can infiltrate their party and get more moderate people in the legislature and other state offices. If we leave it to the republicans, the conservative wing of their party dominates at the convention and we continue on with the white conservative momo Utah Taliban. They have a 23-6 majority in the state senate and a 58-16 majority in the house. Our legislature is dominated by rural Utah momos who fuck Salt Lake over again and again. Salt Lake is the democratic bastion of Utah. The only way to get change is to try to influence who those repubs are and try to find moderates who will work with Demos instead of running roughshod over them.
But that might be considered pragmatic, and it's obvious you're pretty unable to think like that. Good luck.
And Timpane you forgot one thing. The evidence, after a ton of investigation, does not support the allegation. How would you feel if you were like Biden and being accused? Wouldn't you want some things substantiated and not just taking someone's word against yours in a case that could put you in jail? It's called the legal system. The accused have rights also.
Lol! Dude that's pretty obvious that your a republican. Thanks again. I know it's hard to believe but it's Biden's word against hers. Doesn't seem like she has a reason to lie, and you said it herself she praised Biden. There's a lot of research about psychological effects on victims of sexual abuse and that's one of them. Have fun voting for trump again, Slick.
I believe in due process. It looks like two respected reporters from the NYT did some investigating and found no proof. That's a start. Perhaps the Intercept or Jacobin should also send reporters out to investigate. Until then, the only investigation we have is the NYT piece. Other than partisan hyperbole, there's no reason to call it "fake news." It's a start, not an end, and shouldn't be proof either way. It should, however, make anyone who cares stop to think.
Due process is one of the things that makes this country so great. It's a bummer to see anyone playing "I the jury."
We don't have to equate Biden he did that himself with his track record. We didn't start this thread lol. You guys are just trying to justify voting for another polished up terd. Just like every election in your life.
What investigating did they do? It's her word against his. The NYT is a trash heap of corporate journalism that would never take away from Biden's campaign for presidency. They have been pushing and promoting his campaign so hard. They claim to say "believe women" in many other related articles but then when it's Biden there's "no evidence" right? Just like there was "no evidence" of Bernie saying a woman couldn't be president but they ran the fuck out of that story. The fact that you believe the NYT is troubling. They are nothing more than a blog for big oil, pharma, mega farm and mitaty interests. Oversighted and operated by the richest investors in the world.
We don't have to equate Biden he did that himself with his track record. We didn't start this thread lol. You guys are just trying to justify voting for another polished up terd. Just like every election in your life.
I'm well aware of that, Bss. I'd like to think that everyone would want to know more. I guess not.
This is where it becomes too much, Timpane. I never said I believed it and that was that. I said it is a start, and other journalists should also investigate. The NYT is far better than those shithole propaganda rags called the Intercept and Jacobin, but I'd like to see what they come up with.
Investigative journalism used to be valued. Now, especially, the far left and right hate it. People want to read/hear opinion pieces, and then act as if they are facts. CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, The Intercept, Alex Jones, Jacobin: they are all mostly opinion rags.
how come the corporate media outlets arent interviewing or covering the story, besides now the nyt, which is saying despite biden's record of unwanted hugging, kissing, touching, biden has no record of unwanted touching.
You've linked to that before and I had already seen it. What I'm looking for now is more investigative reporting on it, from more news sources. I'd like to see enough info so I can make an informed decision.
The previous "unwanted hugs and touching" is a nothing-burger. It's generational, for one, and not one of his accusers has said, "I told him it made me uncomfortable, I asked him to stop, but it continued."
I don't know, Turts, I have a different view than you. Maybe it's because I'm first generation American, my family came here as refugees with absolutely nothing, and they realized the American Dream. For all its faults, this is still the greatest nation on Earth, and gives more people an equal chance to pursue their own happiness than any other place. However fucked up things are, they are better for more people now than they have been at any time in our history.
Yes, things need to change on a lot of fronts. That doesn't mean that they t's terrible here. The beauty of this country is that things do change. It may, sometimes, seem too slow, but relative to the life of nations, it's actually pretty fast.
It's not as dire as you make it seem, nor has this nation as a whole regressed.
My mother is a Holocaust survivor from Poland. Her family lived in an attic for a year, and in the woods for a year before that part of Poland was liberated by the Soviets. They were then rounded up and sent to a gulag in Siberia until the war was over, and then a DP camp in Germany. On my grandmother's side, only she and one other first cousin survived (out of about 100 first cousins). He made it to the US, found them in a DP camp, and then found someone to sponsor their family to come over. By the late 40's he US wasn't accepting Jewish refugees without a sponsor, who paid their way, ensured they had a place to live, gave them a job, etc.
My father's mother came through Ellis Island with her family, and my father's father came from London. They escaped the pogroms to England, where they lived in the slums of East London.
Out of all my grandparents, only my father's father went to high school.
i respect your opinion and understand what you're saying.
i still don't think it's quite as great as you say it is for the average citizen.
in a nation with the wealth that we have, it's just depressing and sad that people lose their homes due to medical bill, and medical staff do not have the supplies they need...i could go on with the erosion of many other things.
yes, our country and our people are still great, but as paul cauthen heart fully belted out last night, "AAAAMMMMERRICA, WE COULD DO BETTER....." brought me to tears.
ras rolling in at a 4.4 this easter late afternoon. haha!
just b/c things are better now for more people than ever in our history, doesn't make things good -- it just shows how bad they were before, and how far we have to go, just to even catch up w/ other nations.
We're behind some nations in certain things and ahead in others.
Take England, for example. They are ahead of us in health care for all. They don't, however, have the same level of social mobility that we do. Their Liberal Party has turned sharply anti Semitic, which is very concerning. Our Left is only starting to turn that way. That's a place where we can afford to stay behind them.
There are a lot of things here that need some serious work. Nobody is denying that. I guess where we differ is on the viable pathway to change. I put more power and faith in the state and local. That's what moves the national. I also put a lot of faith in the SCOTUS, because if Trump gets 2 more picks we are all fucked.
Unfortunately all that stuff about the American dream is just bullshit Brian k. It was wrapped up and sold to you so big companies could set up the fed to extort working class citizens money towards their interest at literally no cost. That's the real American dream.
Hey Blues note go cry yourself to sleep. Keep voting for the next guy who's gonna make your
punk ass dreams come true. You ain't nothing but a little bitch who cry's and gets into stupid arguments with guys who are half your age. Get a fucking life man.
There's absolutely nothing to contribute that hasn't already been said, by me, and other sensible folks for months now turt. It was over before my state's primary vote, just like I told y'all it would be. Hahaaa this threads a frustration release valve for you and all who couldn't read the writing on the wall. You had a go, you really tried, so by all means turt, tinpan, pyramid, cry if you must
During her time in Mr. Biden’s office, he was working to pass the Violence Against Women Act. In 2017, Ms. Reade tweeted praise for Mr. Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In more recent months, her feed has featured support for Mr. Sanders and criticism of Mr. Biden.
jr is admittedly one --he doesn't know who she is, won't recognize her story, all b/c trump. he's moved on.
slick straight up calling the woman a liar -- she can't even remember all the exact details of being raped. lol. wow. but ok -- he is a republican after all.
ned willing to ignore b/c his corporate media masters haven't been covering it.
ras is huffing ether and has no idea what's going on -- somebody catch him up on the details -- we all know where he'll stand anyway.
thod is missing -- but thod def believes woman, so i think he'd be on the right side of this, believe it or not.
so where did y'all stand on the kavanaugh situation? b/c people were melting down over the fact that kavanaugh was going to get confirmed, knowing he was a sexual predator of sorts.
it was a much longer time ago. and they were all high school kids.
tara happened in 1993 and in her 20s.
this shits all over the place and centrist democrats are trying their best to ignore and discredit -- just like the GOP did to Dr. Ford last year. you're the same as the people you say you hate.
how come we didn't see the nyt searching dr. ford's twitter feed, or attempt to dig up any bs on ford to make her seem less credible?
ford had nobody confirming she told the same story at the time, reade did.
how come reade was removed from her job? the removal coincides w/ when she said she complained.
i believed dr. ford at the time. and of course, still do.
lots of dems here discrediting tara reade, yet her accusation is not where near as thin as Ford's, and has been corroborated by people who knew her at the time of the rape.
Tara may or may not B telling the truth. Besides her & Joe, who really knows.
There R some concerns about her credibly. She does seem to say different things at different times.
Unfortunately her accusations R being viewed thru a political lens.
Lots of women have expressed concerns about Joes touchy feely issues.
So far, only one woman has accused him committing rape.
This goes without saying, however just to B sure I'll say it anyway's.
Sexual assault is wrong no matter what side of the political spectrum one is on.
The bros hitching their wagon to Tara as their reason of the day to not support the last one standing vs chump. They think their standing up for women, too fucking hilarious. If not tara, it would have been some other straw you'd be grasping at, and ya fuckin' know it. Ugly Losers.
Once again the only thing to say to you is cry all you want. It's what you bros do best. But when nov rolls around you'll be voting Joe,,,,,
I'm sorry for making you old white guys feel guilty Brian K. I have no excuse. This conversation has gone on for too long and I'm just kinda bored with it by now. Enjoy Biden up until November when Trump safely tucks his delirious ass in for his final political nap. Where is Joe, btw? Is he even going to make it to the general? Maybe hollagram Joe makes a speech somewhere if he can't physically make it?
Ras, I decided they're the Bernie Babies, not bros. They come off as whiny children. And they're about as smart. Some still can't read.
I guess 2 female NY Times reporters interviewing 30 people isn't enough. And the woman on MSNBC yesterday said 3 of the 5 people she got referred to by Tara did not remember having those conversations with her.
Hey, you guys take care. I've lost any interest in irrational conversations on this thread. But have a great day and be well. Stay safe.
Strawbud , Huntsman would be my pick over the momo rancher from Sanpete County, and definitely over the slimebag Greg Hughes, but again, he chose a running mate from Utah County (remember Herbert?) to please the right wing of the party. The Mayor of Provo. Disappointing, but in Utah politics, good choices for statewide offices are slim to none. But you're right, his more worldly view is attractive. He actually brought liquor reform to help to the tourism industry, and sold it to the mo's as economic development. Being part of the Huntsman family means he doesn't have to kiss lobbyist's asses for donations as much. But currently he's short on signatures to get on the ballot. Nice posts above by the way. Take care. You've probably abandoned this mess since your post on Friday morning so maybe you won't see this response.
Why would I be guilty, Timbo? You're the white male pointing out how White everyone is and accusing them of white privilege. The not so subtle irony of that seems to be lost on you. Are you above white male privilege because you gave $5 a month to Bernie?
...I am not a fan of keeping this shit storm of a thread alive but Thanks Slick. Yes, Hughes is a terrible joke in every way and I agree on the rest of your last post as well. Is Huntsman actually at risk of not making the ballot? I thought that was a done deal but I am not altogether tuned in on those details either. I was surprised to see on Friday that Mike Lee is endorsing Huntsman. He was legal council for Huntsman's administration when he was governor the first time but Wow.
"We need you in the White House. I will do all that I can to see that that happens, Joe," Sanders said to the former vice president during a livestream broadcast by Biden's campaign.
"Today, I am asking all Americans, I'm asking every Democrat, I'm asking every Independent, I'm asking a lot of Republicans, to come together in this campaign to support your candidacy, which I endorse," Sanders said.
Turtle et al the point is this election is about one thing and one thing only: Trump.
This is not about Bernie or Bros or Biden or him flicking beans....it's a thumbs up/down for Trump. We need to get control back, sanity back, then we can roll up the sleeves and get shit done.
of course bernie endorsed biden. just like he did hrc.
what's wrong w/ you monsters? did you think he wouldn't? he's gotta do his part to play the fucked up game. come on now.
<<<>>> Biden could add to his platform M4A, $15 minimum wage, Green New Deal, and you still wouldn't vote for him.
Is M4A the only thing <35 voters care about?
this is false. i would def vote for him.
ned, you're quite optimistic about the dems getting shit done, when in recent history (last 30years at least) they've bent over at every opportunity to please their corporate interests, and screw over the working class -- you think of biden beats trumps, does the4 years, then we elect a more liberal dem, and the dnc suddenly endorses the ideology bernie has been fighting for?
haha.
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I was told that if you support Biden, you are a corporate centrist.
I do think that Bernie engaging will push the bar to the left across the 6 focus groups
and that is very (immensely) important
"The two said they had agreed to form six task forces to work on policy matters. Those policy working groups will cover the economy, education, criminal justice,"
Actually I have Native American and Mexican blood in me, BK. Not as honky as you might think. Besides that, Bernie's endorsement for Biden does nothing for him really. The vote in 2016 wasn't split at all. Hilary lost key states an won the popular by almost four million votes. So for the one millionth time, what is Bidens path to victory? How does he win WI, MI, or Ohio? He might need all three if he can't get PA. He will not have VA like Hildog did. Could possibly lose another swing state as well. How does he win?
I'm pretty confident that Virginia will stay blue. Do you really think Tim Kaine being HRC's VP choice was the difference there? Virginia, like North Carolina, has been steadily moving further blue for the last couple of election cycles.
Maybe someone post the real electoral map from 2016? The one Manfred posted isn't based on reality. Then we can have a better idea of what Biden needs to win
My folks live in PA in a senior community. I "might" be allowed there by fall...it's currently locked down. Plenty of work to do in CO. We are still purple and there's a Senate seat up this cycle. Enjoy watching your world crumble, pheater lol.
What makes you think joe can win VA? Only reason Hildog picked it up was because of Kaine. He will need two of MI, WI, OH. Or Pa? How is he going to win these states now that there is no crowds and no rallies. What is he going to do exactly? I just don't see it happening at all. Hilary lost AZ, PA, WI, OH, MI. He needs to flip 4/5 and or get VA in replace for Arizona. That's a steep climb. If you honestly think Biden's taking FL then you're high. Trump owns that state.
Virginia has a Democratic Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Attorney General. Both of their U.S. Senators and seven of their eleven members of the U.S. House of Representatives are Democrats. In November of 2019 the Democrats took full control of the commonwealth's General Assembly after several districts were redrawn because of discrimination.
You and your twin sock, P-Heatstroke have been wrong about pretty much everything so far, so why stop now, eh?
I was watching Democracy Now last night. Goodman has a very lengthy interview with a NYT investigative reporter. She then went on to show clips of a CNN interview with Fauchi. Clearly, Democracy Now has respect for "MSM."
At that point it really struck me: Pheater loves to cry foul, but only when it suits his agenda, which is dictated by whatever crap he reads and watches. The dude is so brainwashed by his alt Left overlords that he can't formulate an objective thought.
Let's break down the NYT piece on Reid. Two reporters conducted a lengthy and unbiased investigation. They interviewed over 30 key witnesses, looked at evidence, and came to a conclusion. Pheater didn't like that conclusion, so he made some false claim that it was rigged, to help Biden. There's zero proof of that, and he has slandered respected journalists in the doing. But then it's up to everyone else to prove him wrong.
So wrong about so many things, just regurgitates what the propaganda machine feeds him. Sad.
Herbal Dave completely neglected to any fact of how Biden will in the general. Obviously Hilary knew better than Dave by picking Kaine to gain influence in the south and win Virginia. Bush won Virginia twice. And it had been a republican state since the sixties. I'd say it's nowhere near a lock for Biden. Trumps presence on the south is stronger than its ever been. Good luck.
JR is in Seattle. When it is 1:39 am in New Jersey, the time in Seattle is 10:39 pm.
There are 4 time zones across the continental United States, Eastern, Central, Mountain and Pacific. See the link below for more information on how they work....
Democrat wins Wisconsin race that Republicans insisted on holding despite pandemic
(CNN)Democrats claimed victory Monday in a Wisconsin Supreme Court election that Republicans insisted on holding last week despite the coronavirus pandemic.
Liberal Dane County Judge Jill Karofsky defeated conservative Justice Daniel Kelly, an incumbent backed by President Donald Trump, in a race for a 10-year seat on the state's Supreme Court. Karofsky declared victory and Kelly conceded Monday evening as votes were still being counted in the close contest.
The outcome is an embarrassment for state and national Republicans, who had blocked Democratic Gov. Tony Evers' bid to postpone the election or have it conducted entirely by mail and had fought in court against rules that would have made it easier to cast absentee ballots -- leaving Wisconsin the only state to go forward with in-person voting in April.
JR may be on the West Coast, but I'm not sure if he lives in Seattle anymore. I'm also not convinced that's JR posting. Sometimes it seems like him, other times not so much.
is this when i post bk has been posting about me from 12hrs ago and i haven't said a thing? thought so.
bk, for somebody who says everything isn't so black and white, you certainly paint that picture as everything being in strictly black and white terms. wtf?
amy interviewing nyt journalist, or showing clips of cnn isn't allowed? hahahaha what's wrong w/ you man?
that'd be like saying bernie can't go on cnn or fox. black and white man. stupid. you know this but you're playing your fucked up message board game, as always.
and no mention of that edit on the story -- weird.
Heater, did you read that NYT interview, or just the Tweet about it?
Because, you know, in no way does the piece point to the conspiracy that you are proposing. But fuck it, some masked Tweeter told you it did, so you ran with it.
sorry guys, im not voting centrist dem, even against evil trump.
the country has to learn one way or another. time to break the cycle -- sorry if you have kids -- blame people like ned, who didn't vote bernie in the primary, and instead voted to hold our country back.
i mean, if biden were to announce his support for m4a, which btw is at a 9month high in terms of support, a green new deal, federal legalization, 15$ minimum wage, complete ban on fracking --- i'd vote for the scumbag. that won't happen tho.
unless ned gets to work right now! come on buddy. help us help you. you know you need it.
The campaign asked him to take out, "beyond the hugs, kisses and touching..." It's not like they were asked to cover up accusations of sexual misconduct.
Kudos to the NYT for printing that interview, which questions itself.
It will never pass the Senate, it won't even get a vote.
Turtle, Biden has a lot of support in Delaware, Chester, Montgomery, Bucks, and Philadelphia counties. Any Democrat needs to carry these counties by a large margin in order to win Pennsylvania. Biden also is fairly popular in Lakawanna County, where Scranton is located.
Wow, so Java Dave making fun of disabled people now? Your a scum bag man. You're ignorance and white male privi is rival to Ned now. Congrats. When Virginia goes red you'll be sitting there crying like a lil baby wondering how you were so wrong. This guy can't find anything better to do than to make fun of disabled kids on drug band board. Pretty sad
Ned is so close to admitting that the only reason he doesn't want M4A is because he can afford his health insurance. So everyone who can't, fuck em right?
I have said it's not gong to get through Congress in its current form, and I have said it's a political porcupine. Both are opinions about the politics.
I would LOVE to get M4A or some derivative. I pay $1000/mo for shitty catastrophic coverage with a $7500 deductible.
RBG replacement will be confirmed, IMO. A liberal for a liberal does not change the balance of the court. Thomas' replacement may face a tougher confirmation, again IMO
Ned, I thought Northern Delaware was just an extension of SE Pennsylvania... Pennsylvania's tax free shopping zone
Mr. Cacophony, I wasn't making fun of ld kids, I was pointing out that you are displaying the grammar problems common with that group. I had experience with that in the years I was teaching. It is an actual disability. If you can't grasp that, I'm not surprised.
Wow, I have not had time to participate in this thread over the last few days, but I gotta say: I love what you all have done with the thread. I feel like a lot of good progress has been made, good job, Zoners!
Yes, and I will take you up on that, Dave. Just don't make fun of kids with special needs anymore. I'm fair game and I can take insults without crying to hard about it.
Just to set the record straight I didn't and don't make fun of special education or learning disabled people (they're actually two different groups Mr. Wrong-Again). If you identify with either of those groups, my bad, as again, you and your idiotic blathering were the only target of my criticism.
P-Heat, if you think this is the best thread on this site, it speaks volumes about you. Leading in the popular vote doesn't make you a winner. Just ask HRC. The Jorma live stream thread would get my vote, and I like a lot of the threads that Alan has started recently. Judit's thoughtful thread about "how do we go on? How do we create our future" is worthy, and just one of many threads here that contains more substance than this myopically bloviated exercise in narcissism, petulance and stupidity.
Herbal Dave will pretty much do anything to validate himself making fun of a special needs kid. You said it, so stopping acting like a coward and own up to it.
Herbal Dave is just like Ned in a lot of ways. In their fucked up heads they are the only ones who are right. Dave thinking Biden is going to get Virginia is just laughable. Take a nap guy, or keep going on about how you didn't make fun of handicapped children when you 100% did. You're a scum bag.
Settle down, Timbo. He said your grammar is like a kid with an LD. I guess that lumping you in with the LD population could make them look bad, but that's kind of a stretch.
Crazy that your panties are all in a bunch over it. You've spent the last 5 years slandering me and calling me a "molester" (on 2 boards, probably), which is far worse than him saying your grammar is LD. You don't see me crying like a baby over it.
I get it, you're sick of the white, abled, male privilege that you see. It must suck to be you.
No melt, Timbo. Your hypocrisy is amusing. It's cute that any time you or Heater get called out for your melts, you say others are melting.
A few weeks ago I said that you've been trolling for 5 years, and you stated that you've been here for 10. If you didn't know who I was 5 years ago, then how do you know my "dirty joke" story? Did you hear it second hand, and then choose to slander me repeatedly based on that? Make up your mind on your bullshit stories and lies. You're confusing yourself.
You millennials can dish it out, but you can't take it at all. Probably because of shitty parenting.
rrg what's good? bidens been your guys all along, right?
you drunk red neck horse dick wannabe biker.
bk what's the issue now? i know my dad def never told a sex joke to a female co worker, then got fired for it, so if that makes him a shitty parent, i'll take it!
I love how you just make shit up. It tracks. You are literally wrong about pretty much everything. Like this line of reasoning: the PR firm that did Bloomberg's campaign put in a bid to do Biden's. Therefore, Biden is a Republican.
That was the stupidest shit you've spewed to date. It just gets lower and lower IQ.
No, Heater, you are that guy. You're just too daft to see it. You can't even formulate an original thought. From your political rants to your personal attacks, you steal other people's material, and you always choose the dumbest shit.
but your shitty self thinks you're better than others -- that's your thing man -- BK can't possibly stoop that low, he's a teacher or some shit. is that what you whisper to yourself?
yeah, whatever man. a little self awareness would be nice.
There's a level that I won't stoop below. Very few here will go that low because it's just wrong and nasty. You do. We are not the same. It's not because I'm a teacher. It's because it just isn't right.
Look at your post up there. In one felled swoop you propagated a slanderous lie against me and attacked RRG for no reason. There are only a few here who would act like that. They are your heroes. But don't fool yourself into thinking that we are all the same in that respect. Once again, you're wrong.
you also have a terrible habit of speaking for others, like, all the time, post after post.
and you're literally in the middle of every shitty thread, swingin and flingin, while attempting to appear less ridiculous w/ your paragraphs about nothing.
i have no interest in knowing the owner's political beliefs. if they advertise their love for trump and they have signs, fine, i won't be going there. same thing for bernie or whoever. if a restaurant has a bunch of bernie signs in the establishment i'm def not eating there, fuck that. i don't want to see that shit. it's bad enough people throw their political signs in your face, lining community streets w/ their trash, like those signs are even effective at all-total pass if a restaurant is doing that. seems pretty uncommon tho.
Just leaving this little nut here for the Squirrels...
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Come together, right now.....
Come together, right now.......
Here's hoping he's happy with the parts of his valid agenda Biden adopts and agrees to work on.
Frankly, he's so valuable in the Senate, and that was shown with this last "relief" bill. But can you imagine Bernie as Secretary of Health and Human Services? Oh yeah.
I'd love to have him there fighting for us.
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^ YES Healhcare Czar.
^ YES Healthcare Czar.
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We welcome Timpy and P-Heater
We welcome Timpy and P-Heater et al into this large tent.
Please...come join us to remove the Orange Scourge.
Can we count on your vote, gang?
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lobby the people in the
lobby the people in the swinghole states.
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So what happens to all his
So what happens to all his leftover donations?
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My vote doesn't matter. I don
My vote doesn't matter. I don't live in WI. MI, PA it OH. It's already over though Ned. Trump has live feed everyday to an American public stuck at home. His approval rate is higher than ever while Biden has basically disappeared. Brace for four more years guys. Wall st and Banks and NRA want Trump and like always they will get what they want.
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I hope that Biden somehow has
I hope that Biden somehow has it within himself to humble down a tad, try to understand the better views and ideas of the other candidates and their supporters, and build a true coalition to move us ALL forward...but I guess we'll see.
I am tired of the 2 main bully parties and their organizations (RNC and DNC both suck) but I can find no reason to vote for ConDon for ANY role whatsoever....except prison, I suppose.
...Without undermining "the will of the voters", it would be a fun time going head-to-head with anyone in taking out/replacing members of Congress, one by one, taking turns.
I would start (or go 2nd, I don't care) with Moscow Mitch.
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I would get behind any effort
I would get behind any effort to begin to wrangle away our healthcare system from the profiteering vulture capitalist crowd. Little by little and in sweeping motions they are over-taking far too many aspects of our lives.
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good luck guys.
good luck guys.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
November is still a long way
November is still a long way off and, if anything the last month has shown us, things can change quickly and dramatically. But for now, my psychic powers say we are stuck with Trump for another four years. Biden? Good luck with that.
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Holy Shit. I know that is
Holy Shit. I know that is always a possibility but it at least sorta seems like the favorable winds are increasingly turning away from trump. I am surely no fan of Biden either but like I said....another round of shitty choices.
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Bernie dropping out is
Bernie dropping out is disappointing but predictable. We're screwed. Biden is going to lose so badly to trump.
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Joe probably will have
Joe probably will have forgotten his own name by November.
MAGA
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in retrospect, Sanders could
in retrospect, Sanders could not beat Clinton in 16 or the 2020 field. he was a middling presidential candidate who is more in tune with the fringe of the democratic party then he is/was the actual party itself
I live on that fringe. voted for Sanders in 2016 and 2020 in two different states that mattered at primary time. fact is tho he never had a chance in both elections and I am hopeful that his legacy lives on past his candidacy and that his supporters rit large dont act like assholes going forward
that last part I wont hold my breath for
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
"Yes We Can" -Allen Toussaint
"Yes We Can" -Allen Toussaint
Obama made the Pointer Sisters cover version his campaign theme song. It's as relevant today as then. I know y'all have heard the Pointer's version, so here's a couple of takes Allen did of his song through the years:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qodS14uWd_o
Studio full band version from the 2005 "Our New Orleans Benefit Album"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7F-JwTx_U
Solo version from KUT television studios, Austin, Texas, 2012
Now's the time for all good men
to get together with one another.
We got to iron out our problems
and iron out our quarrels
and try to live as brothers.
And try to find a piece of land
without stepping on one another.
And do respect the women of the world.
Remember you all have mothers.
We got to make this land a better land
than the world in which we live.
And we got to help each man be a better man
with the kindness that we give.
I know we can make it.
I know darn well we can work it out.
Oh yes we can, I know we can can
Yes we can can, why can't we?
If we wanna get together we can work it out.
And we gotta take care of all the children,
the little children of the world.
'cause they're our strongest hope for the future,
the little bitty boys and girls.
We got to make this land a better land
than the world in which we live.
And we got to help each man be a better man
with the kindness that we give.
I know we can make it.
I know darn well we can work it out.
Oh yes we can, I know we can can
yes we can can, why can't we?
If we wanna, yes we can can.
------
or as James Brown said, it's time to "get up, get into it, stay involved"
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potus making his play for the
potus making his play for the Bros... I have to say noone is a better troll then potus
@realDonaldTrump
Can’t see AOC plus 3 supporting Sleepy Joe!
@realDonaldTrump
Wow, Bernie is unwilling to give up his delegates, and wants more of them! What’s that all about?
@realDonaldTrump
Bernie Sanders is OUT! Thank you to Elizabeth Warren. If not for her, Bernie would have won almost every state on Super Tuesday! This ended just like the Democrats & the DNC wanted, same as the Crooked Hillary fiasco. The Bernie people should come to the Republican Party, TRADE!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB
Sanders 2016 was also
Sanders 2016 was also consistently beating Sanders 2020. He has some good basic ideas but no realistic plan or avenue(s) to get them implemented, not to mention the institutional resistance to some of those ideas. For better or worse, he himself has lived on the fringe of the Democratic party as an Independent in his years in the Senate too. I think he deserves a serious seat at the table but, again, Joe's ego is a difficult obstacle.
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https://medium.com/@JoeBiden
...
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...
https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/statement-from-vice-president-biden-5de128a...
..
Bernie has done something rare in politics.
He hasn’t just run a political campaign; he’s created a movement.
And make no mistake about it, I believe it’s a movement that is as powerful today as it was yesterday.
That’s a good thing for our nation and our future.
Senator Sanders and his supporters have changed the dialogue in America.
Issues which had been given little attention — or little hope of ever passing — are now at the center of the political debate.
Income inequality, universal health care, climate change, free college, relieving students from the crushing debt of student loans.
These are just a few of the issues Bernie and his supporters have given life to.
And while Bernie and I may not agree on how we might get there, we agree on the ultimate goal for these issues and many more..
...
As friends, Jill and I want to say to Bernie and Jane, we know how hard this is.
You have put the interest of the nation — and the need to defeat Donald Trump — above all else.
And for that Jill and I are grateful.
But we also want you to know: I’ll be reaching out to you.
You will be heard by me.
As you say: Not me, Us.
And to your supporters I make the same commitment: I see you, I hear you, and I understand the urgency of what it is we have to get done in this country.
I hope you will join us.
You are more than welcome.
You’re needed.
Together we will defeat Donald Trump.
And when we do that, we’ll not only do the hard work of rebuilding this nation — we’ll transform it.
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there is no table to sit at
there is no table to sit at if Biden does not defeat potus. this is a critical fact for all to come to grips with. with all of Biden's flaws and there are a shit ton, all of them are better then potus and make no difference now. he is the candidate and the choice is binary for reasonable adults
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Joe has a good ability (and
Joe has a good ability (and sense?) to put together a strong government with qualified people leading departments and agencies that can and should be bigger than him. It is serious BS the way trump has hobbled along with essentially an "acting" government as few of his picks could ever clear Senate confirmation. Shit Show. I think DHS (and now NAVY?!?! LOL) has at least 2 layers of 'acting' heads. But, realistically, the GOP controlled Senate has also been preoccupied and really busy racking up head-spinning numbers of Federal court installations by many very questionable appointees, some of whom are very young with little experience and some without ever even hearing/deciding cases. wtf?
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yeah we get it.
yeah we get it.
work on the voters in the swing states.
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I supported Bernie and have
I supported Bernie and have voted for him many times over the the last 30 years - since the first time he ran for Vermont's lone seat in the House.
However - at this point - if one does not find a way to vote for Biden (whether you support him or not) then one is de facto supporting 4 more years of Trump. End of story.
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HEY TURTS...maybe the people
HEY TURTS...maybe the people in non-swing states should ignore and/or stuff it.
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I would think that the
I would think that the movement for a $15/hour minimum wage and universal healthcare will resonate with the majority of voters not only in the swing states, but in the GOP dominated rural states.
Joe will have a large group of progressive minded people to advocate for him if he can energize them.
Keep the faith.
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ignore the inevitable
ignore the inevitable mediocrity and acquiesce to losing to a con man wanna be dictator while appeasing wall st. and big pharma during a pandemic. got it.
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Bag of Wet Potato chips
Bag of Wet Potato chips beats Trump 72-28 %
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: drkstar
that is such a red herring
that is such a red herring Turtle, and I respect your feelings sir. why not all of us get behind the guy running against Donald J Trump!?
its arguments like this that sound very selfish to me and a cop out for folks in the bluest of states from doing the right thing
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Turtle, the situation at hand
Turtle, the situation at hand calls for more than retreating into your shell, unless you're happy with living in a sickened and failing terrarium.
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Lol, Keep America Great, y
Lol, Keep America Great, y'all. Have fun with that.
Consolation prize: Bernie, like Obi-Wan, will be stronger in death than in life. By 2022 mid-terms the progressive movement will have coalesced around him as a symbolic leader after Kaiser Trump has run the country into the ground along with the world for a few more years. But, it'll be too late by then. Doubtful that RBG will last two more years. Trump will name another justice and the country that you all know and loved will begin the serious transformation towards a tyrannical empire. Gee, if only history had shown us this happening before then maybe people could learn from it...
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
"Turtle, the situation at
"Turtle, the situation at hand calls for more than retreating into your shell, unless you're happy with living in a sickened and failing terrarium."
Turtles swim the 7 seas freely. Beautiful and noble creatures with a sense of time and patience we could all stand to learn from...
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"that is such a red herring
"that is such a red herring Turtle, and I respect your feelings sir. why not all of us get behind the guy running against Donald J Trump!?"
Yes, everyone get behind the candidate that doesn't represent your values or policies because, you know, that's what democracy is all about right?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
don't you centrists fret, CA
don't you centrists fret, CA is a safe dem state.
it's not a national vote ya know?
its the swing states that matter. convince them that cardboard is better than plastic.
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what may look like democracy
what may look like democracy to you javs has not been such a thing for a while now. grow the fuck up dude. we in merica' know the score in Nov and we know we have not been living in a democracy for years now. before trump. but please go ahead and enlighten the group about how a democracy works. online classes are fun!
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turts, anyone who does not
turts, anyone who does not hold out from voting for Biden is a centrist?
got it
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We are not stuck with Trump.
We are not stuck with Trump. He can't get above 45% and every other western leader including Boris who mismanaged the crises even more than Trump is around 70%. The only way we have Trump is if people decide to stay home.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo
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Yep, it pretty much always
Yep, it pretty much always comes down to swing state voters. trump won fair and square within our convoluted system but, arguably, barely so by 80k votes across 4 states that very typically do not go red in presidential elections. Can he hang onto those 4 states alongside nearly all of the others that went his way in 2016? Hell, AZ is rapidly becoming a swing/purple state and NV and CO are basically reliably blue now. What gives? Does GOP have to spend big dollars in TX and NC to barely hang on? GOP seems to think they have a chance to turn OR red this cycle as well. Buckle Up.
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I personally have no issue
I personally have no issue with Centrists and much of the bickering is along the margins anyway. Herbal Dave, I agree that it would seem logical that a $15/hour minimum wage and universal healthcare would/should resonate well across the board but I have tirelessly heard the arguments against those things as over-reach and anit free-capitalist virtues.It is somewhat mind-boggling.
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>anyone who does not hold out
>anyone who does not hold out from voting for Biden is a centrist?<
no, just the constant brow-beating of people trying to vote shame or the condescension shown by the media, "democrats", zoners, and the like...
"we" "get it"...
work on the others.
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>> Yes, everyone get behind
>> Yes, everyone get behind the candidate that doesn't represent your values or policies because, you know, that's what democracy is all about right? <<
Well, when given a binary choice between tRump and someone who will add preferable SCOTUS nominees and be less of a threat than tRump I'm voting for the person who isn't tRump.
We can all debate political ideology and the state of our democracy after the November election. It's time to vote Trump out, and what happened in 2016 can be changed if people stop crying and put on their big boy pants.
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If anyone truly believes that
If anyone truly believes that Biden is no better than Trump, I don't know what to say.
As for the "tell the voters in the swing states": that's kind of a cop-out. We know that Bernie supporters have a strong network and social media presence. When the rest of the country's Bernie supporters sit it out, and express why on their platforms, so will those swing state voters. The fact is, had swing state Bernie supporters voted in 2016, we wouldn't have Trump.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
arrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhh
arrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhh
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Well Turts, all I mean is
Well Turts, all I mean is that Bernie supporters have a certain sway over other Bernie supporters. If you care about the Supreme Court for the next 30 years, it makes a difference.
However, I'm probably wrong. Even Bernie couldn't get his people to vote for Hillary. Some dude in California won't have any sway over people in Pennsylvania. Carry on.
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>>>The fact is, had swing
>>>The fact is, had swing state Bernie supporters voted in 2016, we wouldn't have Trump.<<<
actually the fact is get a better candidate.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
that's what the Nader voters
"get a better candidate" said the Nader voters in Florida in 2000.
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I guess you're right, Bss.
I guess you're right, Bss. Hillary was better than Bernie, but not as good as Trump.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=87yAJzVQz5s
Black Uhuru-Freedom Fighter
just replace "Botha" with "Cheeto"
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Hey drkstar, it's kind of an
Hey drkstar, it's kind of an immature statement to tell someone to "grow the fuck up", honestly, but whatever floats your boat. I done growed up pretty good, thank you very much. I've studied these topics in a good bit of depth from an international perspective. My experience shows me that the "vote for the lesser of two evils" mentality that your espousing is the root of the problem you all are in, not the solution. You keep on voting for the lesser of two evils, and the repubs keep pushing that bar further and further to the far right. While you think you are voting for someone who is more aligned with your views, your actually validating a constant drift towards the right. The solution is to boycott those candidates. Truth is, humans see saw and won't wake up to the damage being done by the right wing (yes, I include Biden in there) until it's so drastic that the pushback wakes people up to what's going on.
So yeah, my advice to the Bernie voters in the states is drop out. Don't vote for Biden. Trump is going to win anyways and perhaps that's a good thing. Maybe after he run roughshod over your democracy you can start to appreciate what's actually important in life. Think about who the lesser of two evils was 40 years ago versus today. You 'lesser-of-two-evilists' have created this situation. Now reap what you sow and then maybe grow a pair and start fighting for what you actually believe in and not the watered down corporate purchased version.
So drkstar, Wake the fuck up, bro! You're part of the problem...
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Manfred, one day you will
Manfred, one day you will crush that other third into submission and rule the world with your moderate hand.
Cut off the trickle down and they'll get in line.
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Depressing and deflating
Quick thoughts. Depressing and deflating times... we need to remember we see each other's value, and work with each other on coalitions from the ground up. Simply put, Biden isn't as bad as the current resident and we can give strength to anyone who can help make the country and the world better places. Getting out of the clutches of the corporations is huge, saving us to rise again is huger.
SCOTUS
Human rights, equality
SCOTUS
Pristine water, pure air, protected lands and trees
SCOTUS
Excellent health care for all
SCOTUS
the list goes on and on
SCOTUS
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Jav, I really hope that
Jav, I really hope that people vote for Biden, not as a message about ideology, but one having the slimmest possibility of saving us. We are currently so fucked.
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Turts, in the end you will
Turts, in the end you will vote for biden
you are a god guy with what appears to be a good value system and a logical mind (and you love DNB to boot)
no matter what happens the total popular vote counts regardless of the "electoral college"
every single voice against hitler/ trump matters
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so thats your master course
so thats your master course on how democracy works, javs?
thanks for the contribution, very enlightening to the group I am sure.
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"every single voice against
"every single voice against hitler/ trump matters"
this!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
((( Ideologues )))
((( Ideologues )))
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
We need an old guy to
We need an old guy to nominate old moderate conservative judges that a conservative Senate might approve.
So that we can stay where we are.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Javs, do you quite understand
Javs, do you quite understand that if Trump wins again, and gets 1 or 2 more SCOTUS appointments, we are all fucked for at least a generation? Progressivism will be crushed by the Supreme Court. It was will have grave consequences on this country and the world.
Myopia is curable.
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Yes, watching our society
Yes, watching our society crumble and rights stripped will be a fascinating experiment.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Javs jabs. Go take a nap
Javs jabs. Go take a nap
Your "superior intellect" argument ain't working for me
defeatist attitude: I am going to take my ball and go home
the lesser of two evils is a reality even if you chose to live in a bubble
i am truly sorry for the Bernie supporters and respect "revolution" and evolution !!!
he presents a ton of good ideas (perhaps while lacking a clear path at times)
i do hope that his and other's efforts push the mindset far to the left as we are in an ugly space right now ( far far far too far to the right )
as a child of the 60's we shall overcome still resonates with me All of us must keep fighting for justice and all humans
fight on to achieve "right on " radicals matter. In high school anti Vietnam and aligning with those some called radicals mattered Still does
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>>> Progressivism will be
>>> Progressivism will be crushed by the Supreme Court. <<<
The rights of women, all people, and the natural world will be crushed. It isn't about progressive vs conservatism, it's about who will be making decisions about your daughter's body, who you can love, way too many to list. You know what it's about.
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You reap what you sow, man.
You reap what you sow, man. This is how modern democracies were designed, to cater to the wealthy. Anyone who thinks a Joe Biden presidency would somehow SAVE the US from corporate rule or environmental destruction really doesn't have a good grasp on what the democratic party has been doing for the last 20 or 30 years. Sometimes the only way out is through. It ain't gonna get better until it gets worse. Sorry, that's just the track that most modern two-party democracies are on. Rough times ahead, buckly up, folks.
Drkstar, glad to be of help. I choose my words based on my audience. BK and I (and others) have had many in-depth and interesting conversations about politics and other topics. With you, it's pretty clear that my words would be wasted. So yeah, there's your master class. Now, if you still think Biden can SAVE the US, well, lol, I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. I'll give it ya' for cheap...
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Biden has no track record in
Biden has no track record in defense of women's rights and is currently in a position of denying that he sexually assaulted a woman.
He is a known war monger who has approved every war-like action during his career.
He has shown that he is willing to cut social programs to benefit over-bloated military budgets.
And he's bought and sold for by corporations - not exactly an environmental champion.
So yeah, good luck with that.
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The reality is that
The reality is that Presidential elections aren’t decided by anyone on this thread or even anyone you are friends with. They are decided by people who voted for Obama and Trump. They are never decided by young people who talk a big game on social media but never actually show up to vote. I watched four years ago as the left savaged Hillary with help from Russia and the Republicans. The people who actually decide notice enthusiasm, they notice when one side says they will hold their nose and vote. Trump supporters are going to be all in with no reservations and could care less who will be the VP. Normally I am very open to criticism from the left, hell that was me for most of my life. Not this year. I don’t care if Biden is old or slurs his words or isn’t for Medicare for all. He is running against self-avowed pussy grabber who brags about his ratings during a pandemic. Being against Trump is more than enough to be wildly enthusiastic.
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Is Joe going to decriminalize
Is Joe going to decriminalize immigration?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
SAVE vs slow down further
SAVE vs slow down further damage
We all reap what we all sow
you will live with your own conscience - if that's how you feel, I am ok with that
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
"They are never decided by
"They are never decided by young people who talk a big game on social media but never actually show up to vote."
Gee, I wonder why they don't show up to vote? This very argument is contradictory. By not showing up to vote they DO decide the election. Maybe if someone had anything to say that was appealing to them....
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Remind us again how caving
Remind us again how caving into the far right Pinochet regime worked out in Chile, Javs.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
No sane person wants to go down the path your people were forced down.
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javs you aint the first
javs you aint the first bullshit pseudointellectual to con himself into thinking there alternative reality was justified and valid.
but I appreciate the try to educate us. maybe a less tethered to reality audience would lop up your bullshit thinking in a more demure manner?
good luck with that
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I have not heard or read
I have not heard or read about anyone saying Biden is great or will save us, albeit from trump and his shameful administration. We The People live in the middle of a seemingly perpetual polotical war and get used as pawns. I am certain that Biden would form a more even and functional government than currently exists....and, for example, how is it that just yesterday the rump admin begged for and was granted a flight shipment of PPE and other healthcare related items from RUSSIA yet today (a new day I guess) is actively trying to block a $5B IMF loan bid from Iran so it too can attempt to save some lives in its country. I find that DEPLORABLE and I seriously doubt a Biden admin would pull such a scum stunt.
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Lol, caving in to a military
Lol, caving in to a military coup d'etat? Uuuuuhhh....I'm not sure caving in is the right word. But yes, Chile right now is in a tricky situation because after the dictatorship people in Chile have bought into the bullshit that somehow the remnants of the dictatorship genuinely have our best interest in mind. And prior to coronavirus, if you remember, Chile was in a state of chaos and on the brink of revolution after 30 years of neoliberal policies. You see, you push enough in one direction, people eventually get pissed and push back. It's clear the US hasn't learned that lesson yet. Hopefully four more years of Trump will push hard enough to wake people up to what their neoliberal lesser-of-two-evilism has accomplished.
And drkstar, I love that I'm getting your goat. Get angry, you, grrrrr....Go cast your vote for Trump, I mean Biden...sorry, I couldn't tell the difference.
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your note getting my goat at
your not getting my goat at all, javs.
its actually pretty damn entertaining. carry on please, its boring in novato at the present
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
>>>>>its boring in novato at
>>>>>its boring in novato at the present
California homeowners can afford to be smug.
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I rent smugly tho
I rent... smugly
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You're killing me, Javs.
You're killing me, Javs. American youth never vote. It has nothing to do with the candidate. For all the so called youth support Bernie has had, they didn't come out to vote for him either. It's a bit of a problem for anyone left of center, especially when the far right does vote. It's too easy to blame it on the candidates, but it's a much deeper issue than that. Our youth are just generally apathetic.
In your opinion, was Pinera the lesser of two evils or the greater. I've been doing some research, and he seems like Trump lite. Is he drilling on glaciers yet? How about his pushback to women's rights? What's happening in your backyard?
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so its the old people in the
so its the old people in the swingholes.
what is being done to woo them?
honest question....
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Good night javs have a
Good night javs have a peaceful nap
L8R
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lltd calling names again
lltd calling names again.hahaha. just can't help it!
centrists asking for our help is gold. pure GOLD! hahahahaha.
flame the fuck on.
burn it down and start it over.
corporate dems are almost as bad as the other side of their coin.
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>> centrists asking for our
>> centrists asking for our help is gold <<
Actually, it means your candidate lost.
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almost as bad as trump/maga?
almost as bad as trump/maga?
got it
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
>>burn it down and start it
>>burn it down and start it over.
And there you have it. Good luck with that revolution.
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You all do realize that not
You all do realize that not supporting Biden will mean Trump replacing Ruth Ginsberg? The amount of damage from that alone will burn it down for all our children.
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pyramidheat is a punk.
pyramidheat is a punk.
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>>>Gee, I wonder why they don
>>>Gee, I wonder why they don't show up to vote? This very argument is contradictory. By not showing up to vote they DO decide the election. Maybe if someone had anything to say that was appealing to them
Hmmm who votes in droves. Old white rich people. Who gets the most out of government. Old white rich people. It's almost like the system is rigged in favor of people who vote.
Young people also don't vote in primaries or Green council members down ballot. There are plenty of people they could be voting for but they don't because they are immortal and don't give a fuck. They didn't even turn out to vote for Bernie in the primaries this year.
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Pyramid thinks that there
Pyramid thinks that there will be a literal revolution that will secure a future for generations to come. That's why he doesn't care about the Supreme Court. me me me!
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If anyone truly believes that
If anyone truly believes that Biden is no better than Trump, I don't know what to say.
If he can't beat trump than yeah, he's no better than trump, and I'm entirely not convinced he can beat trump under the best of circumstances, as far as worse circumstances, there's none of which he is on top of.
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Young people won't have an
Young people won't have an address to vote from in the future. Working class voters move too much.
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BK, Piñera was definitely the
BK, Piñera was definitely the greater of two evils. He has opened up the door broad and wide to international corporations to do whatever they want. The key issue though is that currently our Congress is controlled by the left and the Senate is controlled by the left and center, so he can't get anything by them that doesn't have at least some appeal to the center base.
Plus, the left wing candidate was a super flaky communist with no popular appeal. Piñera rode in on the idea that he was the guy who could fix the economy. The right wing owned media (all the major media in Chile) railed on Bachelet during her presidency, highly unfairly because she actually did a damn good job. So he managed to face out like he was going to fix her 'mess'. In reality, he has appointed ex-Pinochet supporters left and right, people with no experience in any of their fields. Businesspeople in charge of education, etc. So while they haven't done major damage, they've advanced nothing, due to the blockade of the left wing legislative body. The only 'stroke of luck' that Piñera has had is that his health minister is a smart doctor, an old friend of his, who has essentially forced him to make smart moves during COVID times. This has helped Piñera get his approval up near 20%, but it was down to 4% before this. With two years left of his presidency, it is likely the shit will hit the fan as soon as COVID is not an issue.
And the left has zero strong leaders, a total shit-show of disunity. Meanwhile, the right here, like in the US, is pretty much totally unified.
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i get the symbolic show of
i get the symbolic show of support or show of disapproval lltd...
can he nominate a token woman or minority as vp yet?
and can we call him stink finger joe?
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The real fight now is for
The real fight now is for dems to try to maintain and/or expand the house majority while simultaneously flipping the swinghole senate seats in order to subvert an inevitable second term trump agenda.
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at least moscow mitch is in a
at least moscow mitch is in a tight race in his swinghole state.
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It's not inevitable. His
It's not inevitable. His base is like 30% and a bunch are gonna die.^^
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^ Yes Amy McGrath is a very
^ Yes Amy McGrath is a very strong candidate. First female combat fighter pilot (I think).
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jr is a pill head.
jr is a pill head.
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actually, tbe centrists are
actually, tbe centrists are "me me me".
we don't expect you to understand that, BK.
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^ two insults and potential
^ two insults and potential slander. Nice work ph
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Good luck with your
Good luck with your revolution. Burn it down, and shit.
And I'm the one who doesn't understand? l o fucking l
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
thanks ned.
thanks ned.
now go count the other insults and report back, bud. thanks.
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lol me me me.
lol me me me.
just keep talking and talking, saying nothing, bk.
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love that dnc takes votes for
love that dnc takes votes for granted and doesn't try to earn shit.
health stocks will bounce back.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Who funded your pizza parlor,
Who funded your pizza parlor, ogkb? Your parents? Your trust fund? Weed mone you made off trust-founders? Bank loans, supported by the corporate world?
Burn it down!
You don't like what I say, but it's not nothing.
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"can he nominate a token
"can he nominate a token woman or minority as vp yet?"
what a pathetic take. stacey abrams or kamala harris not qualified enough for ya Turts?
talk about not believing/trusting in women
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what a pathetic take. stacey abrams or kamala harris not qualified enough for ya Turts?
talk about not believing/trusting in women<<
they are better and more qualified than the nominee, however don't think for a minute its not pandering or political in the calculation. THAT is what is not believing women...
put that in your pipe.
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>>>>talk about not believing
>>>>talk about not believing/trusting in women
Women's March in 2017
Joe Biden nominated in 2020
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
63 million people voted for
63 million people voted for Clinton.
Trump is their fault.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Tell me p-heater.....in
Tell me p-heater.....in general, do assholes think that everyone else is an asshole? Asking for a friend...
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so let me get this straight.
so let me get this straight. both women are qualified for the job in your eyes and yet would be pandered to political calculus if selected for said job they are more so qualified to have then there potential boss
I think that it all fit into my 3 foot plastic bong. do you have seconds if I get it started?
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>th women are qualified for
>th women are qualified for the job in your eyes and yet would be pandered to political calculus if selected for said job they are more so qualified to have then there potential boss<
"their"
now ya got it haus
i'm almost out of weed currently...which doesn't usually happen...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Biden's veep pick will
Biden's veep pick will potentially be the next POTUS. Whoever he picks will be vaulted to the spotlight in a way no recent veep has.
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in other words BK, pandered
in other words BK, pandered to political calculus
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It seems like the Bernie Bois
It seems like the Bernie Bois have created another catch-22 for Joe. If he picks a progressive, woman or person of color he's pandering. If he picks a center white male he's out of touch.
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you think its his choice?
you think its his choice?
he maybe doesn't even choose his underwear.
yeah and feel free to use the meme-type divisive rhetoric bk...
clearly it's bernie's supporter's fault for all of this!
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And there it stands, Turts. A
And there it stands, Turts. A doddering old man who can't think, speak or choose his own skivvies beat Bernie, not because the hegemony was against him, but because more voters liked him.
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Sanders supporters are fine
Sanders supporters are fine with me. even the ones who can be tough around the edges. I get that, I am by no means refined in argument or debate and I can call out and troll sometimes too
the whole blow the place up because my guy was not good enough for the nomination (twice btw) is so incredibly selfish. I dont know the personal lives of any of the folks here saying it but if they had a 7 year old Daughter to raise as I am trying my best to do presently, they would not be so self serving about petty political convictions like burning the party down due to centrist rule
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And there it stands, Turts. A
And there it stands, Turts. A doddering old man who can't think, speak or choose his own skivvies beat Bernie, not because the hegemony was against him, but because more voters liked him.
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Joe Biden wants your
Joe Biden wants your daughters to keep the babies and have nice smelling hair.
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aveda products only for my
aveda products only for my little sunshine, knot
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
> not because the hegemony
> not because the hegemony was against him<
puhleez...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
drkstar, cry me a river. You
drkstar, cry me a river. You're not the only person with kids on this board, not even of that age.
And BK, you can't have it both ways: you argue about how Biden beat Bernie because he got more voters, but now you expect those voters to flock over to Biden because he can't beat Trump without them. Riiiiiiiggght. And those voters are supposed to vote for the same mainstream corporate business as usual thinking because your candidate can't drum up enough support for his platform to beat Trump. Tough situation.
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So to sum up, a doddering old
So to sum up, a doddering old man who can't think, speak or choose his own skivvies beat Bernie, not because the hegemony was against him, but because more voters liked him and yet now he is stuck at square 1 without the support of those same voters he ostracized by making no concessions to the demands of something like 35% of his party's voting block. Ouch.
Good luck getting the swingholers out to the booths for your candidate, Bidenistas!
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is rooting for Biden to lose
is rooting for Biden to lose to trump more so then rooting for trump to lose to Biden a bug or a feature in the Bros here?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
Is having unrealistic
Is having unrealistic expectations about a senile old man with a totally predictable and recycled platform being able to beat Trump a characteristic of the Bidenistas around here?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
nobody is rooting for him to
nobody is rooting for him to loose.
nobody is rooting for him either.
glad the dnc think they are entitled to shit on their electorate and then expect their vote...
i mean if you hate mac donalds, and there is only a jack in the box in the same town, i guess you are going to go to jack in the box...
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I have not spoken word one
I have not spoken word one about expectations for Joe Biden in Nov other then selfish assholes may not vote for him because of some ridiculous ideology they hold as gospel for democracy in action
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>>those same voters he
>>those same voters he ostracized by making no concessions to the demands of something like 35% of his party's voting block
I'm not so sure he "ostracized" them. A whole bunch of them completely separated themselves from him altogether, and they'll never vote for him simply because he's not Bernie. His platform has moved to the left, and he has said that he will continue to listen to them. Jeez, the primary literally ended today and there are 7 months until the election. It's a bit early to be throwing out those sort of statements.
Well, it's not like you'll ever give him any credit or say anything positive about him, so go ahead and make generalizations about the future. Short of him adopting Bernie's platform, he's just the same as Trump to you.
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Bernie may be done but the
Bernie may be done but the Sanders/Warren wing of the party is alive and well.
Bernie still has his delegates to control the democratic platform at convention just like 2016. Medicare 4 ALL has gotten recession bump.
Elizabeth Warren will be Biden's VP choice and will work with Bernie to help influence the democratic platform. And she would preside over the senate as VP in a Biden admin.
Massachusetts Markey vs Kennedy loser wins runoff for Warren's old seat in special election. Kennedy could lose and win Warren''s seat which was Ted Kennedy's old seat.
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Yes, drkstar, everyone who
Yes, drkstar, everyone who thinks differently than you is a selfish asshole, oh wise master of the truth. Hey, you're goat is still in my yard. Do you want me to send it back?
BK, he's not the same as Trump but the similarities are enough to ostracize the entire progressive voting block. A smart candidate (I know, clearly not Biden) would've taken into account those millions of voters that s/he would need to win the election. But, you know, pride and all that...
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you deflect like a badass,
you deflect like a badass, javs. its a chicken shit way to debate anything really but man you are a master at it
this is fun... please go on..
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Oaksterdam is wise. IF Biden
Oaksterdam is wise. IF Biden chooses Warren as his VP, he stands a chance at winning the general.
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>>>>Elizabeth Warren will be
>>>>Elizabeth Warren will be Biden's VP choice
That would be a sensible choice. At the rate Biden is going, she might end up being president sooner than you think.
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So, he didn't do anything to
So, he didn't do anything to ostracize them, other to run his campaign towards the center, where his politics are?
You're very good at saying what he "should do" or "should have said." Meanwhile, he somehow crushed it in the primary.
He'll never get the votes of the hardcore Bernie Bois who just want to tear it down. Whatever.
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Nice. Now I'm a chicken shit.
Nice. Now I'm a chicken shit.
Baaaaahhhh. Is that your goat I hear?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
BK, crushed it? Meh. Let's
BK, crushed it? Meh. Let's not exaggerate. And yeah, sorry, we're talking about hypotheticals after all, but yes, a candidate who had an interest in winning the general would have done a statistical analysis of the voting populace and known beforehand that he/she couldn't win without the progressive block. He chose to ignore that block, ergo ostracizing them. Now he needs to find a way to please the other 30% or lose the general. It ain't rocket science.
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you are most certainly not
you are most certainly not anything because I say its so, javs
but there ya go again.. just sayin
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drkstar, are you familiar
drkstar, are you familiar with the Zone meltdown scale?
Seems to me like you're running at around a 3.9 (out of 5).
Just saying. Cool down, boy. Settle back, easy Jim
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JR is a pill head.>>>>>>
JR is a pill head.>>>>>>
lol
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thanks for the zoner tip,
thanks for the zoner tip, javs
being a newb is tough sometimes. killer grateful dead reference too brah. very heady stuff
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Corporate Democrats are going
Corporate Democrats are going to wear themselves out arguing again and again only to find that they still need to win the vote in MI, WI, OH and/or PA. But keep chasing your tail around in a circle while trump gets stronger and stronger just like 2016. It's gonna be an embarrassing general election. I think Biden could be Trumps Romney. A guy who really doesn't even believe he can win, he's just there to take a fall.
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African Americans are
African Americans are corporate Democrats?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
https://www.foxnews.com
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tracy-morgan-defends-trump-critici...
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tracy was good on stern this
tracy was good on stern this past week but I would not treat any of his hot takes these days as news. funny as shit tho. always been
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dear zone centrists and
dear zone centrists/democrats,
what do you think the current odds are that Joe beats Donald?
tracy morgan is not funny either.
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damn. bustin my chops on my
damn. bustin my chops on my sense of humor and political takes. tough audience
less then 50/50. Biden's road would be OH, PA, MI, WI and maybe CO or AZ. I think FL and NC are dead to the dem party for now
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what are stinkyfinger and co.
what are stinkyfinger and co. doing to change the course where they lost the last election in said states?
oh yeah biden also expects black people to show up...just because.
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that will be the key bloc to
that will be the key bloc to pander to, as you had suggested earlier on. its not bad politics to do and Obama will be leveraged in any which way to get the job done too
Stacy Abrams would not hurt too in terms of the most important voting bloc to turn out in Nov
as to getting the Sanders only folks, I dont think much can or will be done and frankly I think the list of those who sit out voting for Biden is small. at least I hope that is so
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>Obama<
>Obama<
oh yeah, his one black friend. I forgot about him.
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thats kinda a big one tho, no
thats kinda a big one tho, no?
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the way the virus is
the way the virus is impacting the african american community so disproportionally can and will become a major voting issue too
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/8/21213974/african-americans-covid-19-co...
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yeah, i'm sure he's going to
yeah, i'm sure he's going to toot that horn.
problem is lots of people don't like obama, you know...because he's black.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
Man, what a beautiful Spring
Man, what a beautiful Spring day it is here today. Since we're still not allowed to open for business, I decided to shuffle some chicken soup, strawberries and grapes out to my sister, who has been feeling sick the last three days. My brother-in-law was finishing putting the roof on at one of his construction jobs, and had called me last night to let me know how my sister was faring. Since she is the chef of their house, I figured some easy to prepare hearty soup might come in handy for them. She was wrapping up some drafting for one of her design projects when I got there, and then headed back to bed for a nap. We had talked about how I wanted to help them out with their garden this year, so I spent a couple of hours pulling out a whole bunch of invasive Oregon Ivy that was attacking a myrtle in their back yard, and watering their vegetable beds. Felt real good to dig my hands in the dirt and get some sunshine and fresh air.
Thanks for the lively conversation. I think I'm all up to speed. Heard the NPR feed as I was driving back in. Bernie out. Stock market up. Lots of people died in New York, but their new infections are starting to drop off. Another stimulus package being floated for small businesses.
Think I'm going to get back to tcb. Keep up the good work folks.
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bk at 5.0. has no idea what's
bk at 4.3. has no idea what's he's saying.
same shit, for years. vomit.
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By Picking Joe Biden,
By Picking Joe Biden, Democrats Are Kissing Their Future Goodbye
https://www.yahoo.com/news/picking-joe-biden-democrats-kissing-084519449...
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gop rule for decades.
gop rule for decades.
good job, centrists.
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<<<>>>thats kinda a big one
<<<>>>thats kinda a big one tho, no?
yes, for neoliberal corporatists.
obama has done more than any modern dem to destroy the democratic party.
the people want bernie's policy, as they're the most popular -- mistakes were made tho, and not enough outreach to the people who support those popular policies, but dont identify w/ progressive messaging.
but you can't ignore the 24/7 constant corporate media thrashing of bernie -- this happened, and drastically affected the outcome.
fuck obama and his team of corporate dems -- we won't forget what they did.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
Obama destroyed the
Obama destroyed the Democratic Party? That's bat shit crazy. Seriously.
Jav's from what I'm reading, it sounds like U R supporting Donald.
Or am I misunderstanding something. Just wondering.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
Obama destroyed the
Oops double post
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
The corporatists want a TV
The corporatists want a TV persona for a president nowadays and seeing that social media and screen time is used as a tool for mass distraction while behind the scenes they are able to implement federal socialist procedures for large companies. Why would the super pac folks choose Biden? They have everything they want with Trump. Biden is no TV personality. He's a nobody. He was Obama's punk ass little white boy for 8 yrs. That's it. Most people know this is gonna be a blowout and aren't as hyped for this election as 2016. Biden boomers were ready for Trump 2020 before Biden even won the primary. They just didn't know it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
i'd say two terms of trump =
i'd say two terms of trump = failed democratic party.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
IMHO this upcoming election
IMHO this upcoming election will be decided on how voting citizens respond to how Donald handles the current pandemic.
No matter how FOX tries to spin it, in the end the truth will win out.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
>> i'd say two terms of trump
>> i'd say two terms of trump = failed democratic party.
Even if Donald wins a second term, I'm not sure how that is because of Obama.
As apposed to the dems who ran against Donald. Just sayin'
YMMV
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
yeah, big picture man.
yeah, big picture man.
obama ran on progressive ideals, for the working class, and then became the definition of corporate dem.
if you don't understand the connection, then go figure it out.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mr. Tofu Head
Don't underestimate how many
Don't underestimate how many simple thinking misogynistic idiots are eligible to vote. If Hillary Clinton had a dick, she may have eked out a victory in 2016 despite all the vitriol against her. It is possible any man might have won, but any female would have lost. Millions of Americans, both male and female, would not vote for a woman to be pres or VP, and that's that. Yes, so many people are that closed minded and ignorant. Biden should pick a man as running mate if he wants to have any chance at all of winning an election. Female running mate did not work out well for Mondale/Ferraro, another lame duck candidate and it won't work for Biden either.
Doesn't matter much anyway. Biden is just a place holder to go through the motions. Bernie would lose too. Old guys that have no future in politics anyway. No legit candidate with future ambition would run this year against Trump and become forever branded a loser. Career suicide.
Unfortunately, the only way Biden (or anybody else) beats Trump, is if things get MUCH worse than expected regarding the virus and the economy, to the point beyond everybody's biggest nightmares. Even then, anything can get spun and sold. The whole thing is a joke. The masses will continue believe what the snake oil salesman says. Sad story but true.
Also, Turtle is right. California is locked in as a Democrat state for electorates, and overall popular vote is meaningless. The only votes that matter to potentially change anything is in the swing states. No popular votes in firm red or blue states matter. Dysfunctional system.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
What's that Tull song,
What's that Tull song, "Living In The Past"? November's about our future. Make your fucking choice and shut up already. Geez Louise.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
there's two republicans
there's two republicans running that aren't going anywhere i wanna be. fuck em.
now what?
man, imagine thinking this election is about our future, and being in for biden from the get-go.
wow, that's just rough.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
Pheat, is it THAT difficult
Pheat, is it THAT difficult to realize no one gives a fuck what you think and you're just adding to global warming with all the hot air?
Take a break from your anger or channel it for change. But getting on here pissing and moaning ain't doing squat, man.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
not at all. but this is the
not at all. but this is the message board i post on. sorry man. also i'm typing, not speaking -- but funny i guess...
just to be clear -- you're the utah guy that's for protecting our public lands, and you support biden, from the start?
please clear this up for me.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
>>>>>I've studied these
>>>>>I've studied these topics in a good bit of depth from an international perspective. My experience shows me that the "vote for the lesser of two evils" mentality that your espousing is the root of the problem you all are in, not the solution
Hmm.
History.
It's a bitch.
In 1968 the Dems nominated Hubert Humphrey, a centrist if there ever was one, over McCarthy and McGovern, the more progressive candidates. Nixon won.
In 1972 the Dems nominated the progressive (for the times) McGovern over Humphrey. Nixon slaughtered him.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
>> yeah, big picture man.
>> yeah, big picture man.
>> obama ran on progressive ideals, for the working class, and then became the definition of corporate dem.
>> if you don't understand the connection, then go figure it out.
So it's all about progressive ideals.
That's the only connection that U see.
That and bitchin' about those evil corporate dem's.
Interesting way to view politics.
Since Bernie's view of economics is so popular amongst so many people, why didn't he get more delegates than the other guy?
Do progressive Berniebots think that 4 more years of Donald is what's best for the USA and world?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
if you don't understand that
if you don't understand that corporate dems are responsible for trump, then i don't know what to tell ya.
good luck man. you're gonna need it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Please stop telling people to
Please stop telling people to stop posting. It's as bad as telling them not to vote how they want.
This screen isn't making any noise.
If you want silence in the forest, go there.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
Thanks ogkb.
Thanks ogkb.
Good luck with getting progressives to reshape politics.
Some progressive ideas are healthy.
As for this all or nothing approach to political thought?
Whatever works for you, professor.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
>>> if you don't understand
>>> if you don't understand that corporate dems are responsible for trump, then i don't know what to tell ya.
the 63 million of you who voted for Clinton?
Your fault.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
So, California and most dems
So, California and most dems/dem states vote for Biden.
then what?
we get what we have.
how does touchy joe and the dnc fix the swingholes?
maybe he can get a band to play for him like reo speedwagon or Ariana grande to reach out to the youth...?
nice post tofu, I believe now I saw ya at tiki mamas but couldn't put it together
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
I wonder what Cenk Uygur and
I wonder what Cenk Uygur and his minions are spouting about this?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mr. Tofu Head
Hi Turtle. I was at the 4
Hi Turtle. I was at the 4 Maui shows but not Big Island. Saw you briefly in Kihei, just a wave and a nod from across the dance floor.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
>>>just to be clear -- you're
>>>just to be clear -- you're the utah guy that's for protecting our public lands, and you support biden, from the start?
Exactly. Why that is a mystery to you surprises me, to put it nicely.
In my opinion....
Of the candidates that had a chance to win, I supported Biden. Thought it's our best chance to get A MAJORITY OF THE NATION, not just progressives and Demos, to vote for a Democrat, and in states that matter in the electoral college game. Period. This election is about what, maybe 5-6 states? And Biden can win those states. That is job one, to get the occupant out. THEN, we can talk about the rest of the issues you and I are so passionate about and maybe get something done with a Demo house and possibly a Demo Senate. IMO, a moderate Demo has a better chance of getting voters to give him the Senate. Now will the Demo's be our champions without raising our voices? Hell no, they're freakin' politicians. They follow money, too. They will disappoint anyone who thinks it will all be alright once that happens. Like Bruce Babbitt told the enviros during the Clinton/Gore administration "Make me do the right thing." Enviros had to put in the work and create pressure even with those three in there. And he only reason Clinton declared Grand Staircase and stopped the mining was to win Colorado and California electoral votes in the next election by pleasing the enviros in those states. He probably didn't give a rat's ass about Utah's lands. Never saw the shit and declared the monument from the Grand Canyon in Arizona. But it worked - until the current administration. Politrix.
The only reason Utah got new wilderness last year is because the bill was packaged in an Omnibus bill that powerful Senator Lisa Murkowski wanted and was NOT going to be stopped or postponed. She wanted to drill for oil in Alaska, dammit. Rural county commissioners in Utah met at 6 AM to approve their part of the package in a packed room of pissed off ranchers in order to get word to DC in time. Politics is a messed up biz, and if you don't know how to play the game, you get screwed.
Ever hear of the Bears Ears National Monument that Obama declared? How about Grand Staircase, a National Monument for the last 20 years? Reduced significantly by the occupant.
Have you seen all the lands BLM is leasing for oil and gas drilling like it's a freakin' fire sale. This guy makes James Watt look like Jacques Cousteau. Once those contracts are locked up we could be screwed. Wanna see some stuff, go to https://suwa.org/ See what we're losing and what's at stake. Utah is over 60% federal lands. His policies are devastating.
Elections are about convincing people to vote for your candidate. That's it. You can't even sway people on a message board, members who are probably sympathetic to most your views.
Now you may dig up some decades old vote where Biden approved a mine or some crap. Irrelevant at this point. We need to get the occupant out. Period. Stop the destruction first, then figure out how to heal if you can. And raise holy hell if they sell out, cause they WILL follow the money.
If you're looking for a saint or a revolutionary to fix this country there are none. Politics is a slimy game where you usually take your wins incrementally and have to settle for less than perfect everytime. And Biden certainly isn't perfect, far from it.
Pragmatism is a tough pill for idealists. I live in Utah. I understand. Peace to you, Pheat.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
Oh, the latest thing - the
Oh, the latest thing - the BLM is proposing a new categorical exclusion under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) that would allow up to 10,000 acre projects to mechanically remove pinyon pine and juniper trees on public lands with no environmental analysis, public accountability, or public input. Comments due by the 13th. https://suwa.org/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: TommyGutt
Ohhh, I thaught this was a
Ohhh, I thaught this was a pro wrestling thread, IT'S RIGGED, deep down we all know this, but the dream of an older,wiser, un- baught candidate was nice for a while
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: TommyGutt
Ohhh, I thaught this was a
Ohhh, I thaught this was a pro wrestling thread, IT'S RIGGED, deep down we all know this, but the dream of an older,wiser, un- baught candidate was nice for a while
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: TommyGutt
Sorrry double post
Sorrry double post
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: TommyGutt
Sorrry double post
Sorrry double post
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan
Biden chooses Klobuchar &
Biden chooses Klobuchar & pisses off progressives again (2016) Trump will win
Centrists have to decide if they can share the democratic party
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
slick -- you're talking about
slick -- you're talking about saving the environment and you're all in for biden?
haha right on man. biden has an almost failing record on the environment. fyi.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
Dude, it's either sleepy Joe
Dude, it's either sleepy Joe or His Orangeness at this point. If you prefer Trump that's your business. Maybe by the time you retire SCOTUS will be tolerable again. I'll be dead by then. Good luck.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
I guessed you missed the part
I guessed you missed the part where there now two, count 'em, TWO candidates. One flawed more than the other. You can only choose one, or waste your vote (depending on the state). Sad but that's the reality. Take care and good luck.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
“Bernie Sanders is saying
“Bernie Sanders is saying Bernie Sanders can’t win?” Stephen Colbert joked Wednesday.
“Man, he is going to catch hell from Bernie Sanders supporters.”
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
Slick,
Slick,
thanks very much for your eloquent explanation of your support for Biden based on trying to protect the wilderness.
I'm not eloquent, so I'll just say "what slick said".
>>> I guessed you missed the part where there now two, count 'em, TWO candidates.
And yes, at this point, every attack on Biden is helping Donald J. Trump and the GOP.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
How hard is it to grasp that
How hard is it to grasp that Bernie threw in the towel because he accepts that removing Trump from office is more important than any other factor in this election?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
^ Exactly. Time to evict the
^ Exactly. Time to evict the current occupant...and his kids!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
Oh, the latest thing - the
im so sick and tired of those sjw black lives matter cucks trying to destroy our national forests and open spaces in order to further their authoritarian PC intersectional worldview
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
For some it was never about
For some it was never about Bernie or his platform. He was just a means to saying "fuck the Man, burn it down." Trump is the Man, so is Biden. The entire political system is. They don't care what Bernie asks of them, or why.
These people will someday have kids and grandkids, who will be incredibly adversely effected by a Trump stacked SCOTUS. They aren't going to be able to burn it down and start over, so they're just cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
Let's hope that enough of them, in the swing states, have enough sense to see this. It's not about Trump or Biden, it's a SCOTUS that will shoot down and progressive reforms for the next generation.
Who cares about the Bernie Bois in the non swing states? Let them rant and rave.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
challenge for all confirmed
challenge for all confirmed or potential biden voters - please explain why someone who is on the fence should vote for joe biden without talking about, naming, or refering to donald trump
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
Let them go pound sand and
Let them go pound sand and howl at the moon.
Who wants to listen to their drivel for the next seven months?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
I'll take a swing at that LL:
I'll take a swing at that LL:
To further universal health care, fight for a livable wage, combat global warming and balance the Supreme Court for starters.
The Green Party or Libertarian Party or some other party or independent may better represent your interests. You're free to vote for them. They won't get elected.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
does biden have a platform?
does biden have a platform?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
According to Wikipedia, yes:
According to Wikipedia, yes:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#Capital...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits
"For some it was never about
"For some it was never about Bernie or his platform. He was just a means to saying "fuck the Man, burn it down."'
OK so as someone who frequently visits Sanders voter groups I can say I've never, not once seen a so-called "BernieBoi" lol.... let alone a Sanders voter speak such nonsense.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
Health care
Health care
Biden
Biden has stuck by the Affordable Care Act, Obama's signature healthcare plan, but has offered proposals for enormous new subsidies to make coverage through Obamacare's exchanges less expensive. His plan includes a new "public option" that would allow people to buy into a program his campaign says would be similar to Medicare.
The proposal would carry a price tag of $750 billion over 10 years, his campaign has said.
Biden is proposing to foot the bill by raising income taxes on the wealthiest Americans to 39.6% -- reversing part of the Republican-led Congress' 2017 tax cut law that reduced that rate -- and by requiring those who earn more than $1 million per year to pay 39.6% taxes on capital gains, rather than the current 20%.
Biden
Biden has proposed a climate crisis plan that would set the US on track to eliminate net greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.
The proposal embraces elements of the progressive Green New Deal and seeks to go "well beyond" Obama's climate goals.
As part of the proposal, Biden is calling for an end to fossil fuel subsidies and a ban on new oil and gas permits on public lands. Like other Democrats, he would also reenter the Paris climate accord, the landmark 2015 agreement on emissions reductions that Trump withdrew from during his first year in office.
Biden's plan leaves Congress to decide what enforcement mechanism would be used to require corporations in the United States to meet the goals he lays out -- and penalize them if they fall short.
The plan carries a price tag of $1.7 trillion in its first 10 years, including $400 billion for research between universities and the private sector.
Biden would pay for it by undoing the tax cuts enacted by Trump and congressional Republicans.
Biden's immigration platform outlines a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants while calling for broad reversals of Trump's border policies.
Biden's plan would invest $4 billion in Central America in an effort to deliver "measurable reductions" in violence to slow migration to the US.
His platform would also raise the US refugee admissions cap from the current 18,000 to 125,000.
In an interview with CNN in July 2019, Biden said he opposes decriminalizing crossing the border without documentation. "I think people should have to get in line, but if people are coming because they're actually seeking asylum, they should have a chance to make their case."
Education
Biden
Biden's education platform would increase funding for schools in low-income areas, help teachers pay off their education debt and double the number of health professionals working in schools.
The plan would prioritize competitive pay for teachers, expanding access to preschool for 3- and 4-year-olds and districts offering rigorous coursework.
After those, Biden's plan would leave it to school districts to identify their biggest needs to address with the remaining funding bump.
He's said that "the bulk of" his education proposals can become law even if Republicans maintain control of the Senate after the 2020 elections.
Biden has not offered details on how much the plan would cost overall or how he proposes to pay for it.
A separate plan focused on higher education proposes two free years of community college that his campaign says would cost $750 billion per year.
Gun violence
Biden
Biden's gun control plan would require owners of assault-style rifles to either sell their firearms through a voluntary buyback program or register them with the federal government.
The plan would addresses urban gun violence with an eight-year, $900 million program that would go toward efforts to combat shootings in 40 cities with the highest rates of gun violence.
It would eliminate legal protections that prevent gun manufacturers from being held liable for how their products are used.
Biden is also proposing a series of measures that have been widely-backed in the Democratic primary including closing loopholes in background checks before gun purchases, banning the sale of assault-style rifles and high-capacity magazines, and allowing states to implement "red flag" laws.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB
In response to Daylight:
In response to Daylight:
Joe is far from my perfect candidate but I do have confidence that he would appoint qualified, decent people to lead key departments, agencies, and the courts which, in my view, would help right our currently skewed and flawed government at least back to more what it historically has been and hopefully towards what could be improvements. I cannot recall ever voting for a perfect candidate and our system certainly has its frustrating points and pieces but certainly should work for We The People and the goal should always be to that end. Voting and being engaged matters. Candidates and parties can get in the way of that but that is the vehicle we have. I am open to discussing and hearing about it but do not really care to ARGUE with people over their choices or preferences because that would probably be to change minds which is what it is too. I think most people have already decided whom they are voting for in Nov and there will be significant resources spent in swing states to sway Independents and those whom otherwise may be on the fence. Same old tired story I know. People generally love licorice and/or strawberries or maybe not at all, right? It sucks that our political environment is increasingly polarized. I have strong views on many things that may or may not get addressed by whatever party or candidate but, in general, Democratic platforms and candidates generally more so resonate with me and my views. Nobody gets exactly what they want but I care about some semblance of fairness, clean air, water, and other environmental concerns as well as a free and just system and country that at least attempts to work for everyone. I know - a large canopy and lofty goals. I have said it before and stand by my view that both parties have deep flaws, basically suck, and are geared towards money and big corporate power but, as has been stated across this thread, we are again/still faced to pick one or the other (...or a spoiler, if one prefers that route) and I will choose Joe. Wasn't it Ross Perot, Spoiler, whom threw an expensive wrench into things which basically ushered in Bill Clinton, for better or worse, depending upon your view and sway. Perot was never going to win but he had some ideas and fervent supporters, just nowhere near enough, and they basically chipped into Bush1's electorate and potential 2nd term....probably on the single phrase of "Read My Lips, No New Taxes!" LOL
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB
Joe has already vowed to pick
Joe has already vowed to pick/have a female VP on his ticket which I applaud...even though it is discriminatory by definition to so broadly potentially eliminate "the best possible candidate" whom may actually be a male?. There are many qualified women out there (I would put odds on Amy if there is a Zoner Pool. The likely political calculus, yes, is on educated suburban women and upper midwest appeal, on top of the fact that Joe keeps name-dropping her) but I know there is a lotta resistance from across all corners on that too. I am one whom cannot stand HRC but I voted for her in 2016 because of the shitty choice I had to again make.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
>"For some it was never about
>"For some it was never about Bernie or his platform. He was just a means to saying "fuck the Man, burn it down."<
yeah, that's a fantastic analysis....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
^ Well, Javs did.
^ Well, Javs did.
Yes, he has a platform. Pretty easy to take swipes at a platform you have no knowledge of. LOL
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
i'm sorry. i can google it
i'm sorry. i can google it sure. not sure he's articulated it to the public nedb.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
has biden even worked at all
has biden even worked at all during this primary?
seriously. guy is just on vacation saying "but trump", and the neds are lappin it up.
fucking hilarious and totally sad. oh well.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Ogkb literally used the words
Ogkb literally used the words, "burn it down."
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
I don't see anyone lapping up
I don't see anyone lapping up what Biden's been doing, heater. I see sensible adults reacting to the reality of the situation: Bernie's revolution failed and now we've all moved on to the task at hand, which is defeating Trump. Seems pretty simple to me.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
bk is that guy. lol.
bk is that guy. lol.
gross.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
There's no reasoning or
There's no reasoning or discussion with Heater. He knows everything and is some sort of media and political savant. The rest of us are idiots. He's told us all so, ad nauseum.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Yep, I told a dirty joke.
Yep, I told a dirty joke.
Now, tell the class who funded your pizza parlor.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^hahahaha. yeah, at work, to
^hahahaha. yeah, at work, to a female co-worker. you're that guy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
You're stretching your low IQ
You're stretching your low IQ, kid. It was mommy and daddy who funded it, right?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
nope. i wish i was a trust
nope. i wish i was a trust funder tho.
you're still that guy. creep.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
I never said burn it down,
I never said burn it down, but way to misquote me, Ned.
I said no voter is under any kind of moral or ethical obligation to vote for a candidate who they feel does not represent them.
I also said that four more years of Trump are the only way the American populace is going to counter-react in a way that will institute policies that actually make a difference, so in that sense, a Trump reelection would be better than Biden. A Biden presidency is just a continuation of the not-so-slow and constant drift towards a far-right center. A Trump presidency would push things to an extreme that would cause an interesting reaction.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
lol
lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
I'm sorry but grow the fuck
I'm sorry but grow the fuck up. Many people don't have the luxury of being able to sustain another 4 years under Republican control. I strongly believe that Biden will help those people, even if it's not on the grand utopian scale of Sanders. Knowing that kids' will no longer be locked in cages at the Southern border is enough for me. Why isn't that enough for you assholes?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
They don't get it, JR. They
They don't get it, JR. They think that they can have it all now, as long as Bernie is leading the way. What they don't get is that he's too fucking polarizing and would get little through Congress, and there's a good chance the Dems would lose the House.
We're not going to have that revolution. It has to come in steps, and even Biden will start us on that path.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
why should we trust the
why should we trust the centrists to guide that path towards normalcy, when they haven't done that for the decades prior?
they've proven they don't care about the working class, that they only care about their corporate interests -- same as the GOP.
we're stuck in a vicious cycle that the two party system creates.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
^ blah blah blah...
^ blah blah blah...
Get more votes and you choose the path.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
yeah, i guess we have to wait
yeah, i guess we have to wait for people like you to die off.
centrists like ned are so greedy, and chose to hold the country back, b/c they're afraid of real change.
caring less about their fellow american, and only caring about their personal gain.
centrists lack compassion -- just like the republicans they hate.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Obamacare has plenty of
Obamacare has plenty of faults, but it's better for most than what came before.
Women are closer to equal now than ever before.
There are more LGBQT+ rights than ever before.
More minorities are able to seek higher education than ever before.
All brought to you by centrists.
Biden's platform has moved sharply left. There's no reason to doubt that all those good starts will be tweaked and bettered, unless we have Trump.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
will he still use our $ to
will he still use our $ to bomb brown people with drones?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
p-heater seek help....your
p-heater seek help....your delusional and toxic assumptions about other people (while claiming superior compassion!) are worrisome. Are you OK?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Probably, and I guarantee
Probably, and I guarantee that Bernie also would. At least there'd be some discrimination and accountability as to who he bombs.
I have a feeling that once someone becomes POTUS, and becomes privy to certain intelligence, they reLize that that can't just stop on a dime. Trump doesn't give a fuck, but I bet it ate at Obama.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
>>>>>they realize that that
>>>>>they realize that that can't just stop on a dime. Trump doesn't give a fuck, but I bet it ate at Obama.
JFK as well, I'm sure.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
did obama tear up when he
did obama tear up when he deported all those people too?
give me a break.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
Lots of folks with lots of
Lots of folks with lots of complaints, but like I asked heat last week, what have you done to work for change? It was a big fat zero, nothing. He just complains.
Let's hear some REALISTIC solutions from you.
I noticed when they passed the "relief" bill, even though everybody seemed on-board with aid, it took Nancy saying "Fuck you, it doesn't do enough for everybody" and passing a companion bill in the house and then shoving that up the repubs asses and getting SOME relief for the people, NOT just corporations. That's how politics works and that's why you folks thinking Bernie was just gonna wave a magic wand and change the world is so preposterous. Gotta get real if ya wanna make it happen.
So again, those solutions are.....
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A lot of old male white
A lot of old male white privilege up in this thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
Just die off Ned, that's the
Just die off Ned, that's the answer. One of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on the zone.
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golf clap for nancy p...
golf clap for nancy p...
i mean, well it is something...
but we all should be happy w/ $1200?
they actually sorta kinda tried to barely stand up to the republican machine...it only took the entire metldown of the fucking country's economic system...
i understand being realistic slick, and your posts are polite and well written.
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remember -- biden fingered a
remember -- biden fingered a woman w/o her consent.
ned can ignore that.
anybody else?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
>>>A lot of old male white
>>>A lot of old male white privilege up in this thread.
And some young.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
^The older are the ones who
^The older are the ones who seems the most confused. You guys are are so happy to vote for a guy who is virtually the same as mitt Romney. Mitt was never accused of sexual groping a woman though. Ned gets my vote for most white privelaged zoner of the year though. Congrats bud
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
^If you crop out the
^If you crop out the "imigflip.com" we might not know that it was you who made those crappy memes
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
So, in 2024 who is going to
So, in 2024 who is going to be the Progressive candidate with the "it factor?" Who is that person with a personality, ability to build a coalition, and mobilize the youth tho get off their asses?
Face it, this election is done. Either Biden or Trump will win. Who knows? Neither will run again in 2024. Who is the viable up and comer? Between now and then, will there be more Progressives in Congress, especially the Senate?
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Fkn-A! Maybe one of the more
Fkn-A! Maybe one of the more prominent peeps on this thread?
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its funny that the so-called
its funny that the so-called "essential" workers are the lower paid people in the economy...its almost like they make the wealth that trickles up....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan
2024 progressive Katie Porter
2024 progressive Katie Porter my favorite politician these days. She should be Biden's VP pick!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead
Tinpan, I pulled that from
Tinpan, I pulled that from gooogles. Here’s another one for you buttercup.
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^hahaha. finally a good one.
^hahaha. finally a good one. jesus.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Lol
Lol
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.....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Self-employed sole proprietor
Self-employed sole proprietor paying my own health-care and putting a kid through college paying cash. I work 6-7 days a week, gratefully, knowing I have obligations to many people other than myself. I don't complain, I just work harder knowing the college expense ends in a year. I hope to drop down a gear then, but have no real retirement or pension (a little saved). Yep, white privilege'd.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan
Been a fan following Bernie
Been a fan following Bernie since he was congressmen. Has changed your establishment democratic platform last two election so suck a dick and enjoy last election you have the advantage.
2024 progressives will top 50% of donkeys and you will be in minority. Won't be able to say "But Trump"
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Dan, Progressives currently
Dan, Progressives currently make up 20% of Congress. It's actually over 25% of the House, and 2% of the Senate. You think they'll pick up 130+ seats, between both chambers, in 4 years? I hope they do, but that's a tall order.
Any outrage towards Bernie for backing a liar and molester?
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Lol, Ned has no idea what
Lol, Ned has no idea what white privilege is.
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Racket, are you working? Did
Racket, are you working? Did you have to postpone your annual euro sex trip?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
if voting districts are kept
if voting districts are kept gerrymandered, voters kept suppressed/disenfranchised, media/news outlets continue their tripe, no...we will be stuck in this capitalistic every man/nation for themselves as the earth and the political climate continue to hurt most of the population...
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If Biden chooses Katie Porter
If Biden chooses Katie Porter, he will be the next US President. She is my favorite politician by a mile.
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Any outrage towards Bernie
Any outrage towards Bernie for backing a liar and molester? <<
P-nutz is going to take him down hard.
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Who is Katie Porter?
Who is Katie Porter?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
Seriously? Geez.
Seriously?
Geez.
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maybe he'll pick another
maybe he'll pick another great vp candidate/nominee like hillary did...
that guy was great and super popular......
what was his name?
katie says and does things. "they" don't like that...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I doubt if he'll pick a
I doubt if he'll pick a Progressive. The veep is pretty much POTUS's bitch, and has little autonomy. Maybe he will though. Who knows.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead
Biden basically announced
Biden basically announced Big Willie Brown’s girl Kamala in his virtual town hall yesterday.
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IMO - Ain't gonna be Porter.
IMO - Ain't gonna be Porter. First-term white congresswoman from California. Ain't happening.
In fact, I'm surprised he's talking Kamala. Doesn't need the black vote and Cal is voting blue already. I like her though, nothing against her. Just politically, it seems a little surprising to me.
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I like Harris for AG a lot
I like Harris for AG a lot more.
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lol @ biden picking a
lol @ biden picking a progressive.
they just tried their hardest to crush that ideology and won.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
They kind of beat Bernie in a
They kind of beat Bernie in a primary. I really don't think that they crushed the ideals. Biden's platform seems to have adopted a bunch of it. The sky isn't falling, Chicken Little.
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<<<>>>katie says and does
<<<>>>katie says and does things. "they" don't like that...
precisely.
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"Doesn't need the black vote"
"Doesn't need the black vote"
doesnt need the black vote!? what planet are you from??? oh thats right... utah. not many of those black votes out yonder I reckon
Biden is gonna need the black vote bigly
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biden gonna need a miracle
biden gonna need a miracle from god.
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you believe in god now?
you believe in god now?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
If I gave you the finger
If I gave you the finger would I be calling you names
If I said you were so unbelievably lost would I be calling you names?
You are
"fucking hilarious and totally sad. oh well. "
maybe you are not as lost as you present. (Name calling)
If I called you a hypocrite would I be calling you names ? Or just allowing you to see the person in the mirror if you choose to look there!
listen to son music and take a walk. Not forget to breathey
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Have you all had enough sex
Have you all had enough sex lately? Sensing some pent up angst from a few of you.
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^haha. classic lltd
^^haha. classic lltd psychobabble. you're always good for a laugh man. thank you.
feel free to call me any name you want, lltd. i know you want to -- it's what you do. totally fine.
what you got?
and, no, drkstar.
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of course not. god is a
of course not. god is a silly premise. so is this argument tho. we all know what side everyone is on by now. time to let things play out.
and you of all people should get out of the political prediction business circa 2020. whatever crystal ball you think you got has been wrong all year long dude
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She endorsed Joe the Molester
Katie endorsed Joe the Molester yesterday. They've either brainwashed her or bought her off. Fuckin' DNC.
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^^lol, nice. i have no
^^lol, nice. i have no crystal ball.
im just an asshole posting on a message board, like you.
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sure man. I get that. I am
sure man. I get that. I am no better and I know it. you know I do
but you are very verbose in your prognostications and you have been dead fucking wrong. at some point I would have thought a slice of humble pie would have been served and you would chill with telling the rest of the group exactly what is gonna happen next
you dont know and none of us here knows either but you sure as shit talk like you do all the damn time
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i know you know.
i know you know.
of course i don't know man. trump could lose to biden. i don't see that happening but that's my opinion.
hey maybe biden can motivate people to vote for him. you think so?
and yes, i was wrong. i was optimistic bernie could do it.
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I am in agreement with you
I am in agreement with you sir. if I am setting odds, Biden is a 5 to 1 dog and that could go to 10 to 1 if the NFL gets started on time. I aint kidding about that. I think the voting public is that fucking petty that if football was back by mid Sept, Trump would coast in Nov
but I do see clear potential for potus to fuck this current situation up bigly. and if it hits FL hard or PA/OH/MI/WI hard... I think Biden has a punchers chance to grab anger and run with it.
kinda like trump did in 2016
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hope you and the family are
hope you and the family are well man.
miss you man.
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you too PH
you too PH
and for you dolts who think this guy is resident evil on the zone, you are fucking mistaken. PH can come hard on the zone but the dude is good people. nobody works harder. dude earns everything he has and treats the people he considers friends like gold
just sayin
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Damn, and people give me shit
Damn, and people give me shit for going on and on... and on, about the same subject.
We do all love to be "in-the-know", don't we?
>>>So, in 2024 who is going to be the Progressive candidate with the "it factor?" Who is that person with a personality, ability to build a coalition, and mobilize the youth tho get off their asses?<<<
I don't know about all these labels, but my uneducated opinion is saying that Gavin Newsom and his gleaming white smile is coming and coming hard to an election near you in 2024.
Whether you like it or not.
Am I right or wrong?
Carry on.
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no hallowed Q digs or telling
no hallowed Q digs or telling the group how awesome the furthur rehearsals were... I think you are spot on correct, Lance
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Ha!
Ha!
Well, the Q thing is just my own preference (and a little good-natured trolling) and the Furthur rehearsals WERE awesome (and I haven't said anything about that in a LONG time, good memory).
I don't know anything about politics, but I've thought for years now that Newsom is on the quest for the Big Chair, and nothing has changed my opinion about that.
The Orange One's reign of terror just makes it seem more likely to me.
And nice props to your friend drkstar. Keepin' it real on the black screen.
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Newsom sure would get my wife
Newsom sure would get my wife's vote... she has been crushing on the dude for years.
I think the job he is doing in CA is being overshadowed by Cuomo only because shit is worse in NYC/NY then CA. well newsflash folks.. that would be because Gov Dreamboat was more proactive then anyone in the shelter in place business and he has been running things like a top despite the being one of the 1st hotspots and getting shitty cruise ships shoved down your throat, have to undock sick peeps before we were taking protective measures for our healthcare professionals.
I am in HR kinda... I recruit. and folks who have had to file for UI tell me there claims have been approved and they have approved payments already. these claims were filed like 2 weeks ago when the shit hit the fan.
thats good governance where I come from. so thrilled to live in CA. so lucky to be here
I know you do the same for your friends, Lance. back atcha sir
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If I gave you the finger
If I gave you the finger would I be calling you names? Or swearing?
If I said you were so unbelievably lost would I be calling you names?
You are
"fucking hilarious and totally sad. oh well. "
maybe you are not as lost as you present. (LLTD Name calling)
If I called you a hypocrite would I be calling you names ? Or just suggesting that you see the person in the mirror (biggest name caller/ insult tosser on the zone ) if you choose to! I will not hold my breath lol
listen to some music and take a walk. Do Not forget to breathe
Go ahead as a self proclaimed passionate "radical" - blow it all uper ( trumps pitch too FYI)
you just "unwittingly " continue to allow or even support trumps re-election (make your rant / reply calling me an idiot / psychobabbler short please / this is just my observation and pinion)
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Oops. I was interrupted by a
Oops. I was interrupted by a phone call and didn't realize I had already posted that bs
not that you care but I do appreciate your last few posts / just sayin- and you are damn good at stirring it up
I just wanted to call someone names as I did not agree with your assessment that I was calling names on this thread
so I feel better lol
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you here to talk or play pool
you here to talk or play pool?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Oaksterdam Dan
Kamala Harris would be a
Kamala Harris would be a disaster.
A - Trump and the republicans will do everything to make it impossible for black people to vote in the election
B - Biden was Obama's VP for 8 years if he needs Kamala for the black vote holy fuckin' shit where in big trouble
C- Biden & Harris put a ton of people in prison. Would be huge drag on campaign.
D - Kamala dated Willie Brown (Disqualifies)
Brian was barking at centrists who were gloating. Progressives will make up 50% of democratic party in 2024
2018 House victory was very progressive
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286 posts in & a fervent
287 posts in & a fervent zoner sandbox brawl turns into reciprocal interconnected luv fest hoedown.
Fun times at Viva.
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OGPZ. Dude relax. I'm sorry
OGPZ. Dude relax. I'm sorry stated that poorly. I should have said he pretty much has black support already. Super Tuesday proved that. And Biden isn't a 5-1 dog as you suggested. He's 8 points ahead of Trump right now.
My point was - with the black support he enjoys already, choosing a black woman from Cali might not do as much for him strategically as choosing the Latina governor of New Mexico to engage Hispanics or Klobuchar to seal up the Midwest and the battleground states in that area. Choosing Warren would help extend his reach to the "progressives' whatever the fuck that means. (Like I'm not?) That's what I was trying to say and did so poorly. I'm not pontificating who, but none of those three would surprise me much.
And you're right about the lack of color in Utah. Every August, the combined return of the Utah Jazz basketball team and the University of Utah football team doubles the population of blacks in Utah. For years, momo scripture has taught all blacks are descendants of Cain who killed his brother Able. Brigham Young described black people as cursed with dark skin as punishment for Cain’s murder of his brother. “Any man having one drop of the seed of Cane in him cannot hold the priesthood,” he declared in 1852. Young deemed black-white intermarriage so sinful that he suggested that a man could atone for it only by having “his head cut off” and spilling “his blood upon the ground.” Other Mormon leaders convinced themselves that the pre-existent spirits of black people had sinned in heaven by supporting Lucifer in his rebellion against God.
As The Atlantic magazine reported, "Until a few decades ago, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints taught that they “shall be a white and a delightsome people,” a phrase taken from the Book of Mormon. Until the 1970s, the LDS Church also restricted black members’ participation in important rituals and prohibited black men from becoming priests."
Faced with losing their tax-exempt status on all their property holdings around the world, the "profit" had a revelation that God changed his mind and blacks could indeed hold the priesthood. So you can see why black people might feel a little unwelcome, and today blacks make up just over 1% of the population of Utah. But things are changing as in-migration happens.
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As folksinger Vance Gilbert
As folksinger Vance Gilbert once remarked after looking at the crowd at his concert, "Wow, am I the only chip in the cookie? Oh wait, there's a brother."
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Why the Jazz didn't change
Why the Jazz didn't change their name when they moved to SLC from New Orleans beyond me. Utah is probably the most arrhythmic state in the country.
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Probably because they were so
Probably because they were so broke they couldn't afford new uniforms. The name thing hasn't been lost on the locals, but "Jazz " ain't going nowhere.
When the Jazz arrived, sometimes crowds were sparse at the Salt Palace. One story goes that a fan spotted Jazz Coach Frank Layden (a GREAT GREAT man), on the street and asked what time the game started that night, and he replied "What time can ya be there?"
During the glory years, Karl Malone and John Stockton had a car dealership together called "Stockton to Malone Honda", named after the phrase announcer Hot Rod Hundley made popular as John had quite a few assists with Karl. But you don't wanna buy a car from them. First, you'll never see the title. And if you try to take the car back east, it can't get past Chicago. Ba-dump. I'm here all week.
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^lol. pretty much.
^lol. pretty much.
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_040...
trump and biden ties for voters 35 and under.
this is a disaster in the making (imo)
this is what happens when the dnc shits on the working class to save their donors money.
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<<<<>>>>Knowing that kids'
<<<<>>>>Knowing that kids' will no longer be locked in cages at the Southern border is enough for me. Why isn't that enough for you assholes?
how do you know this to be fact? the establishment record says otherwise.
obama flaked on guantanamo, almost immediately.
bernie wanted to shut down ICE. that's what is needed.
biden will just continue business as usual and then you won't be upset there are kids in cages anymore, because you won't care anymore.
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LOL
LOL
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...Hey Now, Slick - as long
...Hey Now, Slick - as long as Centrists are getting slaughtered 'up in here' (lol), what are your thoughts on Jon Huntsman and his re-run attempt at Governor there? I really liked him as Governor when I lived there and thought he was doing well in trying to move things in a more positive, dare I say realistic and progressive, direction and was disappointed when Obama tapped him for an international post. Too bad he could not get out of the primaries when he was trying for President. From afar, I would like to see him in that seat once again. I know he's "just another RINO" to many GOPrs but that is usually a good sign that said candidate/politician is not a far-right crazy bird. Much MUCH better than flip-flop Romney anyway and also one of the few present-day Republicans I could ever vote for too. IMO.You?
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This thread could really use
This thread could really use some NEGMAN.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
See the Reefer Madness thread
See the Reefer Madness thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
300 bottles of chloroquine on
300 bottles of chloroquine on the wall...
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Biden ain't shutting any of
Biden ain't shutting any of those camps down. That's just another false claim. Boomers love false claims though. It makes them get all riled up about politics and stuff
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Seems like your the one who's
Seems like you're the one who's all riled up in this thread. Pot/kettle?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
yeah, seeing other middle+
yeah, seeing other middle+ aged zoners on FB, they are all about the centrism/repub lite...
who would have thought that one of the biggest obstacles to real change would be people that you'd think have similar outlooks or values...?
yet another demographic opposed to real change. its sad.
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>> Biden ain't shutting any
>> Biden ain't shutting any of those camps down. That's just another false claim. <<
Well, that's your opinion. Here's his actual platform/policy:
https://joebiden.com/immigration/
"It is a moral failing and a national shame when a father and his baby daughter drown seeking our shores. When children are locked away in overcrowded detention centers and the government seeks to keep them there indefinitely. When our government argues in court against giving those children toothbrushes and soap. When President Trump uses family separation as a weapon against desperate mothers, fathers, and children seeking safety and a better life. When he threatens massive raids that would break up families who have been in this country for years and targets people at sensitive locations like hospitals and schools. When children die while in custody due to lack of adequate care.
Trump has waged an unrelenting assault on our values and our history as a nation of immigrants.
It’s wrong, and it stops when Joe Biden is elected president....."
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
There's a difference between
There's a difference between advocating for real change and putting your head in the sand and perpetuating the toxic situation the incumbent represents. There is no "win" in allowing Trump another 4 years in office. A hand-cuffed Supreme Court for decades, more environmental abuse and a blind eye to global warming, unqualified people in important administrative posts? Is that what you want?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
Let's see if I'm grocking the
Let's see if I'm grocking the progressive position.
> Donald as good as, if not Better then Joe.
> Putin's second favorite politician (the one who praises Russian President Vladimir Putin over Obama) is wonderful.
> Then there's Tara Reade. As per Tara; ""I love Russia with all my heart ... President Putin scares the power elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring, visionary leader."
> It's all Obama's fault.
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They will attack Bernie
They will attack Bernie eventually.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
One more thing. OK I missed
One more thing. OK I missed post # 300. No worries.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
This thread has legs. I
This thread has legs. I nominate the bbros for chief ministers of propaganda. Long after America's decided, and even after their candidate has dropped out of the race, these fuckers just keep churning it out. Hardy stamina in the face of such unpopular reality for them. But to not take a shot on the last one left standing whoever it might be, is unfathomable. Dire dim grim disaster vs a shot at a remedy, and they're still doing their best to conjure up reasons to not align. Un fuckung real to the umpteenth power, really sad
If ya try sometime ya just might find,,,,, ya get what you need
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Back later, Strawbud. Swamped
Back later, Strawbud. Swamped at work.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
golly i wish we could go back
golly i wish we could go back to the days of the other serial creeper billy clinton.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
^ or JFK, right?
^ or JFK, right?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
creeper or adulterer?
creeper or adulterer?
"they" killed him though ned.
i get it, americans just want sports and concerts to start.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Yes...and their kids out of
Yes...and their kids out of the house!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
^And more white privi
^And more white privi
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
https://theintercept.com/2020
https://theintercept.com/2020/04/10/bloomberg-hawkfish-biden-campaign/
2020 is republican vs. republican.
make no mistake, centrist = republican.
what a fucking mess.
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The boy who cried centrist.
The boy who cried centrist.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
It's Obama's fault!
It's Obama's fault!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
what a fucking mess.
what a fucking mess.
Yes. Yes, you are.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
2020
2020
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Interesting article, Heater.
Interesting article, Heater. It really has little to do with what you were saying, but interesting nonetheless.
https://www.cjr.org/business_of_news/layoffs-the-intercept.php
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Nap time
Nap time
(must be psychobabble if you do not comprehend)
but have a good weekend
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Bloomberg Lol. Lifelong
Bloomberg Lol. Lifelong republican taking over Biden's campaign. Sounds about right.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
^Why do you repeat this lie?
Bloomberg was a life long Democrat. He was a Republican from 2001-2007. Six out of seventy-eight years equals a lifetime?
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I can't wait to get the blame for Biden's loss in November.
I'm sure it will be someone's fault.
It certainly must be.
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bloomberg is a diehard
bloomberg is a diehard republican.
anybody who speaks at the RNC telling americans we need to vote for W is a republican. you can't twist that.
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Bloomberg is a republican lol
Bloomberg is a republican lol. He has the same ideological sense as a republican and he was still a republican from 07-18. He was just off the books. Do you approve of stop and frisk too? Does it get anymore republican than that?
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Bloomberg was literally the
Bloomberg was literally the face of th a Republican Party on the east coast for a long time. Keep living in your dream work though lumber truck
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Bloomberg was literally a registered Democrat for most of his life. He was a registered Republican from 2001-2007.
I know, Timpane, facts are irrelevant for you.
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^ Stop and Frisk is clearly
^ Stop and Frisk is clearly an irrelevant fact for some.
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what's wrong w/ you, lltd?
what's wrong w/ you, lltd?
you literally add nothing to this site. lol. you just pop in and spit up a little bit like an infant.
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No, Ateix, bad and illegal policies are not exclusive to either party.
Bloomberg's policies do not change the fact that he was a life long Democrat until 2001.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Bloomberg registered as a
Bloomberg registered as a democrat in 2018. Facts are hard right?
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Yes, Ateix. Many Baby Boomers
Yes, Ateix. Many Baby Boomers were up in arms to vote for Blooomberg and willing to look past search and frisk because they are old white privileged males who have never or would never have to be subject to those kind of racial injustices.
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Can we get back to that
Can we get back to that article? If you want to make the case that Biden is Republican lite, you have plenty of policies to draw on. The fact that Bloomberg's PR firm is vying to take over his campaign isn't that good proof. It's interesting, but irrelevant to the point.
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Twist it however you like, Timpane, but Bloomberg has not been a life long Republican. He was an independent from 2007-2018.
So 6 years a Republican, 11 years and independent, and 42 years a Democrat. Sure, he's a lifelong Republican. Facts?
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obviously you voted for him
obviously you voted for him and you want to make yourself feel better but you voted for a republican wearing the other teams jersey bud.
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What do you mean by "Twist it
What do you mean by "Twist it however you like," Tlach?
Did Michael Bloomberg really endorse President George W. Bush at a party convention?
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Never voted for Bloomberg.
Keep trying to rationalize your lie.
Ateix, I was referring to Timpane's false assertion regarding Bloomberg's party affiliation.
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Mike Bloomberg donated to
Mike Bloomberg donated to George H.W. Bush. Mike Bloomberg donated to George W. Bush. Mike Bloomberg donated to Rudy Giuliani. Mike Bloomberg donated to Mitt Romney. Mike Bloomberg donated to Pat Toomey. Mike Bloomberg donated to Peter King.
who gives a fuck what letter is next to the name.
you donate to these people, you're a republican.
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biden has a 40 year record on
biden has a 40 year record on trying to cut SS.
that's called republican even tho he has a D next to his name.
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I think I understand now,
I think I understand now, Tlach.
Thank you.
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Bloomberg is a billionaire
Bloomberg is a billionaire who hates another Billionaire, Trump. The Intercept is a marginal propaganda source that is 85% funded by a billionaire who hates Bloomberg and Trump.
Why is Bloomberg even being discussed here? Because your billionaire overlord wants it that way.
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He has also supported Democratic candidates, Pyramid.
Short list of canidates who Bloomberg has supported...
Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hi.
• Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass.
• Seth Moulton, D-Mass.
• Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine
• Rep. Joe Crowley, D-N.Y.
• Kathleen Rice, D-N.Y.
• Brad Ashford, D-Neb
Bob Dold, R-Ill.: $1.9 million
• Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn.: $513,000
• Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick, R-Pa.: $174,000
Sen. Michael Bennet, D-Colo.
• Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill.*
• Rep. Joe Crowley, D-N.Y.
• Anna Throne-Holst, D-N.Y.*
• Rep. Seth Moulton, D-Mass.
• Rep. Pete King, R-N.Y.
• Rep. Dan Donovan, R-N.Y.
• Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
• Kamala Harris, D-Calif
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/michael-bloomberg-2020-campa...
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bloomberg is being discussed
bloomberg is being discussed b/c he's trying to purchase the dnc data and party infrastructure. pretty amazing.
the full blown consolidation of the dnc and rnc is about to happen.
just one more reason to not vote biden tbh.
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of course, lumber.
of course, lumber.
corporate dems are very similar to republicans.
he has to play people's emotions -- look, it's working right here right now, w/ you.
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look, it's viva centrists:
look, it's viva centrists:
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Emotions are not relevant here, it is a simple matter of fact.
I get it, Pyramid, folks like you will never accept those who a not in ideological lockstep with your positions
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Bloomberg took over as NYC
Bloomberg took over as NYC mayor after Rudy left.
Say what U want about Mike, the city ended up with a way better mayor.
Just sayin'
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ask black and brown people
ask black and brown people that.
just sayin.
not at all, lumber.
i certainly don't accept racists tho.
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I guess it's not adding up
I guess it's not adding up for me. I'd assume that Hawkfish already had access to that data when they ran Bloomberg's campaign. As the article states, it's currently open source to any candidate. Assuming that they get the Biden contract, how would they then own the data? Does it say that anywhere, or is it a lot of "could" and "would?"
I'm not saying that it's kosher, but I'm seeing fear-mongering more than facts.
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So U think Rudy was kind and
So U think Rudy was kind and looked out for the best interests of minority New Yorkers?
Black leaders, Mr. Giuliani said in 1994, had to “learn how to discipline themselves in the way in which they speak” if they expected to chat with him. The city’s welfare-state philosophy, he said later, was racist and “enslaved” black New Yorkers. Fran Reiter, one of Mr. Giuliani’s deputy mayors.ssid; “...he was obsessed with the notion there were certain groups he couldn’t win over. And he wasn’t even going to try.”
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The only time Bloomberg ever
The only time Bloomberg ever held a political position was as a republican. Twist that however you like lol
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p-heater would prefer Trump
p-heater would prefer Trump as POTUS over Biden. Wow...I mean WOW.
What's wrong with you?
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The thing has nothing to do
The thing has nothing to do with Bloomberg, Rudy, Hawkfish or Kingfish.
The thing is that you (centrists) must make a convincing argument to those who would not otherwise vote (this might be me, except, I do vote) to come out and support your guy. So far, you have failed to convince me.
And it's not that I won't vote. I still will vote. But how are you going to get all the other "young voters" that ultimate will not, when the convincing argument isnt made?
Or, will it be Jill Stein's fault (again)?
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NYC Dave, how was Bloomberg a
NYC Dave, how was Bloomberg a better Mayor? Did things get better in NYC? No way. He did commit to his goal though which was to even further disenfranchise the black community and strengthen prisons for profit. He arguably made the city even worse than Rudy.
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Vermont's governor is a
Vermont's governor is a Republican. If you put him in Alabama he'd be tarred and feathered for being a Socialist.
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Good Morning Viva Friends.
Good Morning Viva Friends.
Just dropping in to say
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Coronavirus
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Be well, be safe..
Stay The Fuck Home.
And wash Your hands.
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>> The thing is that you
>> The thing is that you (centrists) must make a convincing argument to those who would not otherwise vote <<
1. SCOTUS
Think about a world where Trump packs SCOTUS and Federal courts for 4 more years. The argument starts there.
Please, now, eat your broccoli and you can watch some TV.
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What will Biden do you change
What will Biden do to change the federal courts? Just wondering.
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ned you see yourself in that
ned you see yourself in that cartoon, right? thought so.
think about a country where every human has a right to healthcare.......oh right, you don't care about that or other people. centrists are so greedy.
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What would it take to
What would it take to convince you, Ateix. I could link to Biden's platform, which has moved firmly to the left, and people say it's bullshit lies. I could point to his statement the other day saying, "I hear you, and I will act...," and it will be painted as bullshit pandering. I could say that he's better than Trump, and the response is that he's the same.
All I have is that the next president will get 2 SCOTUS picks, and that Biden will appoint people who will ensure that there can be a progressive agenda, while Trumps picks will fuck up this country for over a generation. In a lot of ways, that has to be enough. A Trump stacked SCOTUS will whittle away at Roe, equal rights, LGBTQ+ rights, the environment, etc.
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Ateix, the choice is either Trump or Biden, no other candidate has a chance. Right now the Supreme Court has a 5-4 conservative majority, that majority will be 6-3 or 7-2 if Trump wins a second term. Most, if not all, of the progressive agenda will be DOA for the next 20-30 years.
This is the most compelling reason to vote Democrat for president, IMO
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Nominate Federal judges...
Nominate Federal judges....like Trump has been doing for 3+ years. You want 4 more years of that?
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no -- that's why we were
no -- that's why we were pushing for idiots like you to vote bernie. b/c that's the only real change.
biden will nominate judges, like obama, who we're not sure about whether they're pro choice or pro life.
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>> oh right, you don't care
>> oh right, you don't care about that or other people. <<
I have asked you, respectfully, not to project what I think. Ask me, I'll tell you. I think you agreed to that.
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then don't say i prefer trump
then don't say i prefer trump as president.
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SO, the "centrists" have
SO, the "centrists" have answered:
SCOTUS
SCOTUS
SCOTUS
SCOTUS
And your response is, well what about M4A?
Who do you want picking judges...Trump or Biden? lol
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ogkb pyramidheat on Saturday
ogkb pyramidheat on Saturday, April 11, 2020 – 08:33 am
what's wrong w/ you, lltd?
you literally add nothing to this site. lol. you just pop in and spit up a little bit like an infant.
LOL. Pot meet kettle.
You should try reading some of those stories you post links for Heat.
First the Bloomberg/Biden one says they are bidding to work for Joe, as they are with many other organizations. The article talks about Biden's cash available for the primaries, which seems like dated news to me. But they are not taking over his campaign. They'd be working for it and supplying information.
And "The Intercept"? You might have read about that source for your news in your other posted link. Their "progressive" pedigree might fail in your purity rating system. It's funded by a billionaire. "The Intercept and its parent company are still almost entirely dependent on one billionaire, Pierre Omidyar, and his gifts of stock in eBay and PayPal. Omidyar’s funding of First Look Media, totaling almost $90 million between 2013 and 2017, has helped cover the cost of salaries at The Intercept that dwarf those at other center-left, nonprofit outlets." Owned by a BILLIONAIRE (Yikes!). Co-founder Glenn Greenwald rakes in half a mill a year and lives "in a gated community on the edge of Rio de Janeiro", he takes donations from readers (read the working class) to support his lifestyle. He raked in more than $1.6 milllon from 2014 to 2017. The owner paid his editor in chief $370,000 in 2017 and his co-founder raked in $350,000 in 2015. More current reports are not available, I guess. Pretty good money for an online news outlet not too many have heard of. One former staffer, former Harper’s reporter Ken Silverstein, has written a tell-all for Politico entitled, “Where Journalism Goes to Die.”
In comparison, the article says "In 2017, Mother Jones, another left-of-center news outlet, paid its DC bureau chief David Corn $171,298 in reportable compensation; Clara Jeffery, vice president and editor-in-chief of the magazine, earned just under $200,000. At The Marshall Project, a nonprofit news site focused on criminal justice reform, the highest paid employee is managing editor Kristen Danis, who earned $198,850, according to its latest 990 filing; Bill Keller, a former executive editor at The New York Times, made $178,675 as the site’s editor-in-chief. (Keller is retiring, a spokesperson noted.)"
Goddamned rich folks are everywhere. Even in politics. Imagine that.
Relax bro. We're gonna have an election in November. Trump vs Biden. And we're gonna work our asses off to get Trump outta there. IMO, the thing to do now is make sure Trump and his cronies in the state houses don't manipulate participation in the election and suppress voting rights. If we can do that, he's toast. Then we can work on other stuff, OK?
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After he nominated a judge
Hypothetically, after he nominated a judge why would the senate vote him in? Unless he senate majority changes it doesn't matter at all who he nominates.
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>> then don't say i prefer
>> then don't say i prefer trump as president. <<
OK, I'll ask then...who would you prefer?
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neither -- i don't support
neither -- i don't support either of their ideologies. they're very similar.
i must say -- cornavius has done a great job at exposing the shithole country that america is.
wow.
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slick, you're the incremental
slick, you're the incremental change guy in the cartoon.
cute.
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wait -- the dems are gonna
wait -- the dems are gonna win the senate to approve biden's scotus picks?
amazing.
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Thinking Biden will change
Thinking Biden will change the SCOTUS is just a pipe dream and with no majority in the senate it's just a fantasy that will never happen.
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^Biden's appointments will likely trend moderate, but at least they won't be the choice of the Federalist Society, like Trump's appointments
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If Biden can't get through
If Biden can't get through his SCOTUS picks, then a progressive president couldn't get through any progressive policies, correct? He/she could sign executive orders, but they'd be overturned by the current SCOTUS.
Maybe you should push for violent revolution. It seems like the only way.
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OK this is not about Rudy vs
OK this is not about Rudy vs Mike.
As for proving to progressives that Joe is better then Donald, do progressives seriously need that?
Does anyone remember (a progressive) Ralph Nader's run for POTUS? For those who don't remember, his 2000 candidacy stirred controversy, with several studies suggesting that Nader's candidacy helped Republican George W. Bush win a close election against Democrat Al Gore.
In fairness to Nader, his activism has been directly credited with the passage of several landmark pieces of American consumer protection legislation including the Clean Water Act, the Freedom of Information Act, the Consumer Product Safety Act, the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, the Whistleblower Protection Act, and the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety.
That said, the results of his 2000 POTOS run left a mark on America's history that does not paint him in the best light.
Unless current progressives believe that George Bush was swell.
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yeah the violent revolution
yeah the violent revolution is next i think.
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Excellent point, Dave. The
EXCELLENT point, Dave. Thank you. The difference in our history if Gore had been President in 2001 would have been monumental.
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Like Occupy Wall Street? lol
Like Occupy Wall Street? lol
A non-vote for Biden (in a swing state) is effectively a vote for Trump. Grow the fuck up.
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Heater, have you stocked up
Heater, have you stocked up on ammo for the violent revolution?
And please, don't chop off my head. I'm just a working stiff, trying to pay my bills.
Viva la revolution!
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>>> slick, you're the
>>> slick, you're the incremental change guy in the cartoon. cute.
Hey thanks, heat. At least I'm there, raising my voice. And dang, you called me cute.
But what with the thing holding the "Corporate Overlords" sign? It's just an arm with no head or body. Is it from Chernobyl? LOL
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Maybe you all should grow up
Maybe you all should grow up and move to a swing state.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
I might write in Nader this
I might write in Nader this year.
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Slack, if you moved to
Slack, if you moved to Vermont I'd rent you my apartment at a very reasonable rate. Pools aren't really a thing here, but you could make bank plowing driveways. We have good schools, Bernie and Heater. Come and join us.
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on top of everything, ned and
on top of everything, ned and slick are asking us to vote for the guy that fingered his staffer w/o her consent.
or they just don't believe tara reade.
here's the story again, for those still willing to ignore:
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her...
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I live in a swing district, Slack, currently have a democratic representative
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VOTE TRUMP OUT...Biden's our
VOTE TRUMP OUT...Biden's our only option since Bernie lost and quit.
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Bernie is asking you to vote
Bernie is asking you to vote for Fingerbang Joe also, and what he says has much more sway than Ned or Slick. He obviously doesn't believe women. Have you emailed Bernie to lambaste him for it, or do you reserve that for a few nobodys on the Viva?
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Ned, you can't vote yet. You
Ned, you can't vote yet. You have to bend over and let the President do what he wants until you win an election. Then you have to hope he leaves.
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Thanks Bri, love you too. LOL
Thanks Bri, love you too. LOL
See ya'll later I have a day to go enjoy. Those dandelions are calling me and it's gonna drizzle this afternoon.
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No offense, Slick. It's just
No offense, Slick. It's just that none of us are as powerful as Bernie.
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((( a few nobodys )))
((( a few nobodys )))
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oh god the fucking nader
oh god the fucking nader argument...
listen, gore got jobbed and rolled over. wouldn't/couldn't fight. he, like hillary and the dnc, have nobody to blame except themselves.
and weren't uncle obama's scotus picks also federalist members?
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Ah the current progressive
Oh joy, the current progressive argument.
Let's do what we can to help Donald.
YMMV.
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>weren't uncle obama's scotus picks also federalist members?<
Members? I don't believe so.
They have spoken before the Federalist Society, but so has Ruth Bader Ginsburg
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who wants to help donald?
who wants to help donald?
by re-debunking/disputing your 20 yr old argument?
i do not know any bernie people who want donald or are in a contested, (swinghole), state that will not try to get don the con out of office.
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Push a button & ask for money
Push a button & ask for money
There's a dollar in his hand (check his wallet.)
There's a man who runs the country
There's a man who tried to think
And they're all made out of plastic
When they melt they start to stink
Uncle Bernie's Farm
https://youtu.be/a_ZHPrWD4IE
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Looooooong after the fat lady
Looooooong after the fat lady has sung, Bernie fans still keepin' it real
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> who wants to help donald?
> who wants to help donald?
So bashing Joe is not done in an effort to help Donald
> by re-debunking/disputing your 20 yr old argument?
feel free to debunk/ dispute any argument U like
Just cause it's said, that don't mean that its so.
> i do not know any bernie people who want donald or are in a contested, (swinghole), state that will not try to get don the con out of office.
Hoping that is true
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ras easing his way back in.
ras easing his way back in. lol.
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Add nothing
Add nothing
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>>>>or they just don't
>>>>or they just don't believe tara reade.
Heat, I went back and listened to her interview and frankly, no, I can't say I believe her. I don't believe Joe Biden started forcibly kissing on someone then immediately went to second base like that.
Not sure what she's seeking to do after all these years, or who she might be getting paid by, but in this particular case, I have strong doubts as to her veracity.
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of course you don't believe
of course you don't believe her, you have to vote for biden. would you believe one of biden's senior advisors is harvey weinsteins damage control attorney. odd pick, wouldn't you say?
so sad how the centrists say "believe women", except once it happens to their guy. totally fucked up.
if you listened that piece and don't believe her -- wow. right on.
<<<<>>>>Bernie is asking you to vote for Fingerbang Joe also, and what he says has much more sway than Ned or Slick. He obviously doesn't believe women. Have you emailed Bernie to lambaste him for it, or do you reserve that for a few nobodys on the Viva?
has bernie endorsed joe biden?
and what's up my little psychobabble baby?
having a nice day? feel free to post those insults, i know it's tearing you up inside not to.
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Heat you might, I say might,
Heat, you might, I say might, be interested in this NY Times story that arrived in my inbox this morning, written by two women, that casts doubt on her story as well. Sorry it doesn't quite fit your narrative. Now you do realize that movies and TV are fake and that people have the ability to act to get you to believe something, right? It IS possible to do that, right? And this accusation is from someone who has written in support of Putin, right? If Biden is the predator you suggest, more credible accusations from 27 years ago may surface.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexu...
Let me provide some of the content.
By Lisa Lerer and Sydney Ember
April 12, 2020 Updated 9:51 a.m. ET
WASHINGTON — A former Senate aide who last year accused Joseph R. Biden Jr. of inappropriate touching has made an allegation of sexual assault against the former vice president, the Democratic Party’s presumptive presidential nominee this fall.
The former aide, Tara Reade, who briefly worked as a staff assistant in Mr. Biden’s Senate office, told The New York Times that in 1993, Mr. Biden pinned her to a wall in a Senate building, reached under her clothing and penetrated her with his fingers. A friend said that Ms. Reade told her the details of the allegation at the time. Another friend and a brother of Ms. Reade’s said she told them over the years about a traumatic sexual incident involving Mr. Biden.
A spokeswoman for Mr. Biden said the allegation was false. In interviews, several people who worked in the Senate office with Ms. Reade said they did not recall any talk of such an incident or similar behavior by Mr. Biden toward her or any women. Two office interns who worked directly with Ms. Reade said they were unaware of the allegation or any treatment that troubled her.
Last year, Ms. Reade and seven other women came forward to accuse Mr. Biden of kissing, hugging or touching them in ways that made them feel uncomfortable. Ms. Reade told The Times then that Mr. Biden had publicly stroked her neck, wrapped his fingers in her hair and touched her in ways that made her uncomfortable.
Soon after Ms. Reade made the new allegation, in a podcast interview released on March 25, The Times began reporting on her account and seeking corroboration through interviews, documents and other sources. The Times interviewed Ms. Reade on multiple days over hours, as well as those she told about Mr. Biden’s behavior and other friends. The Times has also interviewed lawyers who spoke to Ms. Reade about her allegation; nearly two dozen people who worked with Mr. Biden during the early 1990s, including many who worked with Ms. Reade; and the other seven women who criticized Mr. Biden last year, to discuss their experiences with him.
No other allegation about sexual assault surfaced in the course of reporting, nor did any former Biden staff members corroborate any details of Ms. Reade’s allegation. The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden.
I wonder if these two female investigative reporters who spent hours and hours on the story suffer from centrist white piviledge also? Could be like a virus. Could be everywhere!
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of course i read that trash
of course i read that trash piece by the nyt -- dude they're in it for the establishment, i guess you don't see this, it's fine, but that's who they approve of. make light of that all you want -- they hate bernie, and have been propping you biden as much as they can.
below was taken out of the story -- i wonder why? b/c they did find a history and pattern, and are choosing to ignore it, like you.
shameful.
and just to be clear -- bernie has not been accused of rape, like trump and biden.
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Sentences. How do they work?
Sentences. How do they work?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
believing women only when it
believing women only when it's convenient, how does it work?
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Where did Joe Biden touch you
Where did Joe Biden touch you, P-overheated?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
right about when i was to
right about when i was to finish my 500th push-up, he grabbed my dick!
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Ah, now it's fake news. Dude,
Ah, now it's fake news. Dude, you continue to erode your credibility more and more each day. Answer an accusation, and you switch and deflect to something else. Good luck to you.
Wonder why, if this actually happened, she didn't hang on to her paperwork?
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"Ms. Reade, who worked as a staff assistant helping manage the office interns, said she also filed a complaint with the Senate in 1993 about Mr. Biden; she said she did not have a copy of it, and such paperwork has not been located. The Biden campaign said it did not have a complaint."
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Hmmmm, can't remember when it happened?
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The Biden campaign issued a statement from Ms. Baker, Mr. Biden’s executive assistant from 1982 to 2000.
“I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct, period — not from Ms. Reade, not from anyone,” she said. “I have absolutely no knowledge or memory of Ms. Reade’s accounting of events, which would have left a searing impression on me as a woman professional, and as a manager.”
Melissa Lefko, a former staff assistant for Mr. Biden from 1992 to 1993, said she did not remember Ms. Reade. But she recalled that Mr. Biden’s office was a “very supportive environment for women” and said she had never experienced any kind of harassment there.
“When you work on the Hill, everyone knows who the good guys are and who the bad guys are, and Biden was a good guy,” she said.
Ms. Reade said that she could not remember the exact time, date or location of the assault but that it occurred in a “semiprivate” place in the Senate office complex.
Later in the story....."In 2017, Ms. Reade retweeted praise for Mr. Biden and his work combating sexual assault."
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Heat, you're not going to turn me into a target for people who will suggest "this is why women don't report". It's just too bad this particualr person is not more credible. It seems the only real evidence she has is she told people it happened. She could be a head case and a liar. Maybe she was mad she was only temporary and it didn't go full-time. She doesn't remember when or where and doesn't have a copy of her complaint she filed with the government. That's something someone would hang onto. Sorry, I support women, but this one has serious credibility issues.
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^you sound the like
^you sound the like republicans you say you hate, during their insane Dr.Ford/Kavanaugh hearings.
sad.
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Lol, what does that tweet or
Lol, what does that tweet or whatever that is have to do with Biden fingering her against her will? People will use anything to justify them being ok with Biden committing sexual assault. Really is disappointing to watch people defend him.
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russia!!!!
russia!!!!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
Hate? Don't speak for me,
Hate? Don't speak for me, dude. You're a bit insane. The only person I have what might be considered "hate" for is the occupant, due to the destruction he has wrought upon our country and it's innocent citizens, who are dying through no fault of their own. It's his fault he did not act sooner. Gotta do whatever we can to get him out and take over the Senate.
It might blow your little mind, but I AM a registered republican. As a liberal democrat in Utah, the most subversive thing one can do is register with the republican party. (Closed primary. Must be registered to participate in their primaries, unlike the open Demo primaries). Then we can infiltrate their party and get more moderate people in the legislature and other state offices. If we leave it to the republicans, the conservative wing of their party dominates at the convention and we continue on with the white conservative momo Utah Taliban. They have a 23-6 majority in the state senate and a 58-16 majority in the house. Our legislature is dominated by rural Utah momos who fuck Salt Lake over again and again. Salt Lake is the democratic bastion of Utah. The only way to get change is to try to influence who those repubs are and try to find moderates who will work with Demos instead of running roughshod over them.
But that might be considered pragmatic, and it's obvious you're pretty unable to think like that. Good luck.
And Timpane you forgot one thing. The evidence, after a ton of investigation, does not support the allegation. How would you feel if you were like Biden and being accused? Wouldn't you want some things substantiated and not just taking someone's word against yours in a case that could put you in jail? It's called the legal system. The accused have rights also.
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You folks have a nice day.
You folks have a nice day.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
biden has a history of this
biden has a history of this your willing to ignore -- this isn't the first time Tara Reade has tried to tell her story.
you question the validity of it b/c she can't remember certain details? that's fucked up man.
makes sense you're a republican. thanks for clearing that up.
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Lol! Dude that's pretty
Lol! Dude that's pretty obvious that your a republican. Thanks again. I know it's hard to believe but it's Biden's word against hers. Doesn't seem like she has a reason to lie, and you said it herself she praised Biden. There's a lot of research about psychological effects on victims of sexual abuse and that's one of them. Have fun voting for trump again, Slick.
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Slick fancies himself a
Slick fancies himself a democrat operative doing spy stuff from behind enemy lines.
This thread is now complete.
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Meh. When desperate bros
Meh. When desperate bros stop trying to equate Trump and Biden, this thread is as done as Bernie.
So...never?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I believe in due process. It
I believe in due process. It looks like two respected reporters from the NYT did some investigating and found no proof. That's a start. Perhaps the Intercept or Jacobin should also send reporters out to investigate. Until then, the only investigation we have is the NYT piece. Other than partisan hyperbole, there's no reason to call it "fake news." It's a start, not an end, and shouldn't be proof either way. It should, however, make anyone who cares stop to think.
Due process is one of the things that makes this country so great. It's a bummer to see anyone playing "I the jury."
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We don't have to equate Biden
We don't have to equate Biden he did that himself with his track record. We didn't start this thread lol. You guys are just trying to justify voting for another polished up terd. Just like every election in your life.
What investigating did they do? It's her word against his. The NYT is a trash heap of corporate journalism that would never take away from Biden's campaign for presidency. They have been pushing and promoting his campaign so hard. They claim to say "believe women" in many other related articles but then when it's Biden there's "no evidence" right? Just like there was "no evidence" of Bernie saying a woman couldn't be president but they ran the fuck out of that story. The fact that you believe the NYT is troubling. They are nothing more than a blog for big oil, pharma, mega farm and mitaty interests. Oversighted and operated by the richest investors in the world.
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He hasn’t been charged with a
He hasn’t been charged with a crime Brian. Due Process is a legal device, not a journalistic one.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
We don't have to equate Biden
We don't have to equate Biden he did that himself with his track record. We didn't start this thread lol. You guys are just trying to justify voting for another polished up terd. Just like every election in your life.
Fuck you, dude.
Unless you're including Bernie.
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I'm well aware of that, Bss.
I'm well aware of that, Bss. I'd like to think that everyone would want to know more. I guess not.
This is where it becomes too much, Timpane. I never said I believed it and that was that. I said it is a start, and other journalists should also investigate. The NYT is far better than those shithole propaganda rags called the Intercept and Jacobin, but I'd like to see what they come up with.
Investigative journalism used to be valued. Now, especially, the far left and right hate it. People want to read/hear opinion pieces, and then act as if they are facts. CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, The Intercept, Alex Jones, Jacobin: they are all mostly opinion rags.
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how come the corporate media
how come the corporate media outlets arent interviewing or covering the story, besides now the nyt, which is saying despite biden's record of unwanted hugging, kissing, touching, biden has no record of unwanted touching.
weird.
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/31/tara_reade_joe_biden_sexual_assault
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You've linked to that before
You've linked to that before and I had already seen it. What I'm looking for now is more investigative reporting on it, from more news sources. I'd like to see enough info so I can make an informed decision.
The previous "unwanted hugs and touching" is a nothing-burger. It's generational, for one, and not one of his accusers has said, "I told him it made me uncomfortable, I asked him to stop, but it continued."
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what difference does it make?
what difference does it make?
dems/repubs are like red socks/yankees. yuck.
am scared for the future as we further slip into a totalitarian world...
i get it, it's what "they" do.
just so disappointed in my fellow citizens.
we have the nation we deserve.
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I don't know, Turts, I have a
I don't know, Turts, I have a different view than you. Maybe it's because I'm first generation American, my family came here as refugees with absolutely nothing, and they realized the American Dream. For all its faults, this is still the greatest nation on Earth, and gives more people an equal chance to pursue their own happiness than any other place. However fucked up things are, they are better for more people now than they have been at any time in our history.
Yes, things need to change on a lot of fronts. That doesn't mean that they t's terrible here. The beauty of this country is that things do change. It may, sometimes, seem too slow, but relative to the life of nations, it's actually pretty fast.
It's not as dire as you make it seem, nor has this nation as a whole regressed.
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Where did they come from
Where did they come from Brian? Btw happy Passover.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
My mother is a Holocaust
My mother is a Holocaust survivor from Poland. Her family lived in an attic for a year, and in the woods for a year before that part of Poland was liberated by the Soviets. They were then rounded up and sent to a gulag in Siberia until the war was over, and then a DP camp in Germany. On my grandmother's side, only she and one other first cousin survived (out of about 100 first cousins). He made it to the US, found them in a DP camp, and then found someone to sponsor their family to come over. By the late 40's he US wasn't accepting Jewish refugees without a sponsor, who paid their way, ensured they had a place to live, gave them a job, etc.
My father's mother came through Ellis Island with her family, and my father's father came from London. They escaped the pogroms to England, where they lived in the slums of East London.
Out of all my grandparents, only my father's father went to high school.
Thanks JR. Happy Easter.
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Change is the nature of the
Change is the nature of the universe. Our abilty to survive is based on our ability to adopt to change.
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wow bk, that's some crazy
wow bk, that's some crazy stuff.
i respect your opinion and understand what you're saying.
i still don't think it's quite as great as you say it is for the average citizen.
in a nation with the wealth that we have, it's just depressing and sad that people lose their homes due to medical bill, and medical staff do not have the supplies they need...i could go on with the erosion of many other things.
yes, our country and our people are still great, but as paul cauthen heart fully belted out last night, "AAAAMMMMERRICA, WE COULD DO BETTER....." brought me to tears.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Waahhh waaahhhhh
Waahhh waaahhhhh waaaaaaaaaaaaahhh poor cryin' Bernie supporters, they may never get over this one.
Here, let me get ya a dull spoon, its the least I can do.
Suicide Solution
https://youtu.be/RAApJ1nHX2w
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Damn. Thanks for sharing,
Damn. Thanks for sharing, Brian.
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ras rolling in at a 4.4 this
ras rolling in at a 4.4 this easter late afternoon. haha!
just b/c things are better now for more people than ever in our history, doesn't make things good -- it just shows how bad they were before, and how far we have to go, just to even catch up w/ other nations.
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>Waahhh waaahhhhh
>Waahhh waaahhhhh waaaaaaaaaaaaahhh <
here comes one of them intellectuals now...
thanks for the contribution.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
We're behind some nations in
We're behind some nations in certain things and ahead in others.
Take England, for example. They are ahead of us in health care for all. They don't, however, have the same level of social mobility that we do. Their Liberal Party has turned sharply anti Semitic, which is very concerning. Our Left is only starting to turn that way. That's a place where we can afford to stay behind them.
There are a lot of things here that need some serious work. Nobody is denying that. I guess where we differ is on the viable pathway to change. I put more power and faith in the state and local. That's what moves the national. I also put a lot of faith in the SCOTUS, because if Trump gets 2 more picks we are all fucked.
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Bluesnote gettin butt hurt.
Bluesnote gettin butt hurt. Baby boomers so quick to cry and moan all the time.
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Ha. This clown.^
Ha. This clown.^
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Unfortunately all that stuff
Unfortunately all that stuff about the American dream is just bullshit Brian k. It was wrapped up and sold to you so big companies could set up the fed to extort working class citizens money towards their interest at literally no cost. That's the real American dream.
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Hey Blues note to cry
Hey Blues note go cry yourself to sleep. Keep voting for the next guy who's gonna make your
punk ass dreams come true. You ain't nothing but a little bitch who cry's and gets into stupid arguments with guys who are half your age. Get a fucking life man.
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I'm not arguing with you. I
I'm not arguing with you. I'm telling you to go fuck yourself for assuming to know shit about my voting record.
Primary here hasn't happened yet.
I would have voted for that Sanders guy, like I did last time, if he was still running.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
There's absolutely nothing to
There's absolutely nothing to contribute that hasn't already been said, by me, and other sensible folks for months now turt. It was over before my state's primary vote, just like I told y'all it would be. Hahaaa this threads a frustration release valve for you and all who couldn't read the writing on the wall. You had a go, you really tried, so by all means turt, tinpan, pyramid, cry if you must
Cry If You Want
https://youtu.be/f_Vh2dmyDv4
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And I'm telling you to fuck
You guys are just a bunch of whiney little criers. Just gets annoying after a whole
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
It's like every where you
It's like every where you look on viva there's a 55+ yr old white guy pouting like a child.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
55-60 year old dudes are past
55-60 year old dudes are past their prime, and arguing with dudes half their age is life affirming.
What's your excuse for arguing with dudes twice your age? You have a life to live, and testosterone.
You walked in to that one, Timbo. I had to. Lol
You seem to be exhibiting a lot of white guilt these days. Does it alleviate your white male privilege?
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450
450
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
bluestnote where you from?
bluestnote where you from?
you're an asshole, i appreciate you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
Who is Tara Reade again? We
Who is Tara Reade again? We've all moved on and so should you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force
I call Punk Ass Dreams for a
I call Punk Ass Dreams for a band name.
Musicians 55+ only need apply.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
>> Who is Tara Reade again?
>> Who is Tara Reade again?
During her time in Mr. Biden’s office, he was working to pass the Violence Against Women Act. In 2017, Ms. Reade tweeted praise for Mr. Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In more recent months, her feed has featured support for Mr. Sanders and criticism of Mr. Biden.
Tara Reade on Vladimir Putin:
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edit lol
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lots of "believe woman"
lots of "believe women" hypocrites up in here.
jr is admittedly one --he doesn't know who she is, won't recognize her story, all b/c trump. he's moved on.
slick straight up calling the woman a liar -- she can't even remember all the exact details of being raped. lol. wow. but ok -- he is a republican after all.
ned willing to ignore b/c his corporate media masters haven't been covering it.
ras is huffing ether and has no idea what's going on -- somebody catch him up on the details -- we all know where he'll stand anyway.
thod is missing -- but thod def believes woman, so i think he'd be on the right side of this, believe it or not.
so where did y'all stand on the kavanaugh situation? b/c people were melting down over the fact that kavanaugh was going to get confirmed, knowing he was a sexual predator of sorts.
it was a much longer time ago. and they were all high school kids.
tara happened in 1993 and in her 20s.
this shits all over the place and centrist democrats are trying their best to ignore and discredit -- just like the GOP did to Dr. Ford last year. you're the same as the people you say you hate.
how come we didn't see the nyt searching dr. ford's twitter feed, or attempt to dig up any bs on ford to make her seem less credible?
ford had nobody confirming she told the same story at the time, reade did.
how come reade was removed from her job? the removal coincides w/ when she said she complained.
i believed dr. ford at the time. and of course, still do.
lots of dems here discrediting tara reade, yet her accusation is not where near as thin as Ford's, and has been corroborated by people who knew her at the time of the rape.
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Tara may or may not B telling
Tara may or may not B telling the truth. Besides her & Joe, who really knows.
There R some concerns about her credibly. She does seem to say different things at different times.
Unfortunately her accusations R being viewed thru a political lens.
Lots of women have expressed concerns about Joes touchy feely issues.
So far, only one woman has accused him committing rape.
This goes without saying, however just to B sure I'll say it anyway's.
Sexual assault is wrong no matter what side of the political spectrum one is on.
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Lmhfao
Lmhfao
The bros hitching their wagon to Tara as their reason of the day to not support the last one standing vs chump. They think their standing up for women, too fucking hilarious. If not tara, it would have been some other straw you'd be grasping at, and ya fuckin' know it. Ugly Losers.
Once again the only thing to say to you is cry all you want. It's what you bros do best. But when nov rolls around you'll be voting Joe,,,,,
or reelecting chump.
Beautiful Loser
https://youtu.be/attPbjuxli0
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is a non vote for trump a
is a non vote for trump a vote for biden?
we're not voting for biden b/c he doesn't represent the interests of the people.
dropping the age of medicare to 60? lol ok.
if he were to announce he'll support m4a legislation, he'd get a lot more votes in nov.
but he can't. his masters won't let him.
nobody can touch the kavanaugh piece.
awesome.
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I'm sorry for making you old
I'm sorry for making you old white guys feel guilty Brian K. I have no excuse. This conversation has gone on for too long and I'm just kinda bored with it by now. Enjoy Biden up until November when Trump safely tucks his delirious ass in for his final political nap. Where is Joe, btw? Is he even going to make it to the general? Maybe hollagram Joe makes a speech somewhere if he can't physically make it?
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Smells like stinky socks in
Smells like stinky socks in here.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
Ras, I decided they're the
Ras, I decided they're the Bernie Babies, not bros. They come off as whiny children. And they're about as smart. Some still can't read.
I guess 2 female NY Times reporters interviewing 30 people isn't enough. And the woman on MSNBC yesterday said 3 of the 5 people she got referred to by Tara did not remember having those conversations with her.
Hey, you guys take care. I've lost any interest in irrational conversations on this thread. But have a great day and be well. Stay safe.
Strawbud , Huntsman would be my pick over the momo rancher from Sanpete County, and definitely over the slimebag Greg Hughes, but again, he chose a running mate from Utah County (remember Herbert?) to please the right wing of the party. The Mayor of Provo. Disappointing, but in Utah politics, good choices for statewide offices are slim to none. But you're right, his more worldly view is attractive. He actually brought liquor reform to help to the tourism industry, and sold it to the mo's as economic development. Being part of the Huntsman family means he doesn't have to kiss lobbyist's asses for donations as much. But currently he's short on signatures to get on the ballot. Nice posts above by the way. Take care. You've probably abandoned this mess since your post on Friday morning so maybe you won't see this response.
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slick doesn't believe women.
slick doesn't believe women.
sad.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Why would I be guilty, Timbo?
Why would I be guilty, Timbo? You're the white male pointing out how White everyone is and accusing them of white privilege. The not so subtle irony of that seems to be lost on you. Are you above white male privilege because you gave $5 a month to Bernie?
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...I am not a fan of keeping
...I am not a fan of keeping this shit storm of a thread alive but Thanks Slick. Yes, Hughes is a terrible joke in every way and I agree on the rest of your last post as well. Is Huntsman actually at risk of not making the ballot? I thought that was a done deal but I am not altogether tuned in on those details either. I was surprised to see on Friday that Mike Lee is endorsing Huntsman. He was legal council for Huntsman's administration when he was governor the first time but Wow.
Have a good day, All!!
Carry On......(here or not)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
how come RBG didn't retire in
how come RBG didn't retire in 2014 when she was like 82 or something.
strange. she really fucked that up huh.
so selfish.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
Latest odds on this thread
I thought it was all Obama's fault? Now it's RGB's fault?
Latest odds on this thread hitting 500
7 to 2
Horse racing has become socially distant. Of course, since any one here can post...
Gentleman (or gentlewomen) start your engines.
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^lol.
^lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
Oops, I made a boo boo.
Oops, I made a boo boo.
Perhaps it's RBG's fault. Not RGB.
Carry on.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
fault for what?
fault for what?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
For this thread.
For this thread.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
haha.
haha.
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Tara Reade
Tara ReadeTop of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
go turd sammich!
go turd sammich!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> dropping the age of
>> dropping the age of medicare to 60? lol ok.
if he were to announce he'll support m4a legislation, he'd get a lot more votes in nov. <<
LOL Bernie tried that and lost (to Biden!). Next....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
so biden doesn't need the 35
so biden doesn't need the 35 and under demo?
word.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Biden could add to his
Biden could add to his platform M4A, $15 minimum wage, Green New Deal, and you still wouldn't vote for him.
Is M4A the only thing <35 voters care about?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Bernie has officially
Bernie has officially endorsed Biden.
Now what?
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>has bernie endorsed joe biden? <
Yes.
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>>>>
>>>>
"We need you in the White House. I will do all that I can to see that that happens, Joe," Sanders said to the former vice president during a livestream broadcast by Biden's campaign.
"Today, I am asking all Americans, I'm asking every Democrat, I'm asking every Independent, I'm asking a lot of Republicans, to come together in this campaign to support your candidacy, which I endorse," Sanders said.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
I was told that if you
I was told that if you support Biden, you are a corporate centrist.
Huh.
Maybe not.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
BERNIE IS PRO-RAPE
BERNIE IS PRO-RAPE
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
at this point, what do you
at this point, what do you fucking think bernie is going to say?
of course he believes biden is better than trump as most of us do.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
<<Bernie has officially
<<Bernie has officially endorsed Biden.
Now what?
End your tantrums, heal those sore butts and fall in line, Bro's. Please give Joe what Hillary deserved last time.
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who needs teslas when we can
who needs teslas when we can have '78 oldsmobiles?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Turtle et al the point is
Turtle et al the point is this election is about one thing and one thing only: Trump.
This is not about Bernie or Bros or Biden or him flicking beans....it's a thumbs up/down for Trump. We need to get control back, sanity back, then we can roll up the sleeves and get shit done.
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but you can say that all day.
but you can say that all day.
and sure i'll agree...
the question is how is biden going to win the swingholes?
what are you, (and all the grown up zoners), doing about this?
how does he win there?
and don't tell me bernie couldn't either, blah blah, because it doesn't matter anymore.
how does team bud light pull this off?
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of course bernie endorsed
of course bernie endorsed biden. just like he did hrc.
what's wrong w/ you monsters? did you think he wouldn't? he's gotta do his part to play the fucked up game. come on now.
<<<>>> Biden could add to his platform M4A, $15 minimum wage, Green New Deal, and you still wouldn't vote for him.
Is M4A the only thing <35 voters care about?
this is false. i would def vote for him.
ned, you're quite optimistic about the dems getting shit done, when in recent history (last 30years at least) they've bent over at every opportunity to please their corporate interests, and screw over the working class -- you think of biden beats trumps, does the4 years, then we elect a more liberal dem, and the dnc suddenly endorses the ideology bernie has been fighting for?
haha.
<<<>>>
I was told that if you support Biden, you are a corporate centrist.
are you 5yrs old?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
Latest updated odds of this
Latest updated odds of this thread hitting 500 + posts
5 to 4
IMHO if not a matter of if, only when
YMMV
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> how does team bud light
>> how does team bud light pull this off? <<
Please refer to the 2008/2012 handbook.
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lol, you mean the last time
lol, you mean the last time when they had a young articulate candidate of color?
you're funny ned ol pal.
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damn, good luck w/ that, ned.
damn, good luck w/ that, ned.
that's rough.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
I do think that Bernie
I do think that Bernie engaging will push the bar to the left across the 6 focus groups
and that is very (immensely) important
"The two said they had agreed to form six task forces to work on policy matters. Those policy working groups will cover the economy, education, criminal justice,"
https://apple.news/AJxDA09k8RUGMIJ3KyI78uA
(i am ok with vitriolic replies )
and while I am here >> women being demeaned / raped / disrespected/ not treated as equal to men is unacceptable
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
Today Senator Bernie Sanders
Today Senator Bernie Sanders endorsed Joseph R. Biden Jr. as the Democratic nominee for president.
“We need you in the White House,” Mr. Sanders said to Mr. Biden. “And I will do all that I can to make that happen.”
Mr. Biden said: “I’m going to need you. Not just to win the campaign, but to govern.”
looking forward to hearing how folks out here will respond.
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Actually I have Native
Actually I have Native American and Mexican blood in me, BK. Not as honky as you might think. Besides that, Bernie's endorsement for Biden does nothing for him really. The vote in 2016 wasn't split at all. Hilary lost key states an won the popular by almost four million votes. So for the one millionth time, what is Bidens path to victory? How does he win WI, MI, or Ohio? He might need all three if he can't get PA. He will not have VA like Hildog did. Could possibly lose another swing state as well. How does he win?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
^ by getting shitheads like
^ by getting shitheads like you and heater to vote for him.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
I don't live I may of those
I don't live in any of those states. You still don't get it do you? NJ will not decide this election you idiot.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
no, they don't get it.
no, they don't get it.
they are still bringing up nader for fucks sake.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Californians still think the
Californians still think the popular vote wins the general election lmao
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
Speaking of something
Speaking of something important!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Pyramid is in Vermont for
Pyramid is in Vermont for crying out loud.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
I'm pretty confident that
I'm pretty confident that Virginia will stay blue. Do you really think Tim Kaine being HRC's VP choice was the difference there? Virginia, like North Carolina, has been steadily moving further blue for the last couple of election cycles.
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I don't know where you live
I don't know where you live Timpy.
Maybe go canvas in PA? I might be doing some of that this fall.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Why didn't you tell me what
Why didn't you tell me what Californians think
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Ok well it looks like my last
Ok well it looks like my last post may have been 502, still it's close enough.
& uh like besides me, who's even counting?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
If Joe wins PA & WI, he's in.
If Joe wins PA & WI, he's in.
https://www.270towin.com/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Defeatist rule
Defeatist rule
nothing
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
the dnc and its cheerleaders
the dnc and its cheerleaders should be thanking californians.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
<<<>>>Maybe go canvas in PA?
<<<>>>Maybe go canvas in PA? I might be doing some of that this fall.
might.......lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
https://secure.actblue.com
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/biden_gsdd_a?refcode=om_gs_launch_d2d_...
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When should Hillary be
When will Hillary be released from exile? Can't wait to see her trailblazing and dynamic self back on the campaign trail rooting for uncle Joe.
LFG!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
If Joe wins PA and AZ,
If Joe wins PA and AZ,
he needs only one of:
Michigan
Wisconsin
North Carolina
or Florida
To me, the swing states are, in my wild-guess order of importance:
1) Pennsylvania (Biden should get it, but if he does NOT, welcome to King Donald I);
2) Wisconsin (If Joe gets this, I think he wins);
3) Michigan (same logic as wisconsin);
4) Arizona (seems like a toss-up to me);
5) Virginia (seems like this is very important to Biden's math);
6) Florida (game-changer if Biden wins it...but it is Florida);
7) North Carolina (probably a pipe dream).
You can click on states at 270towin.com and do your own maps, I just posted the default map.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
That map will never happen
That map will never happen lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
He needs Ohio too. He will
He needs Ohio too. He will not get FL
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
He needs Ohio too. He will
He needs Ohio too. He will not get FL
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Maybe someone post the real
Maybe someone post the real electoral map from 2016? The one Manfred posted isn't based on reality. Then we can have a better idea of what Biden needs to win
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> might.......lol. <<
>> might.......lol. <<
My folks live in PA in a senior community. I "might" be allowed there by fall...it's currently locked down. Plenty of work to do in CO. We are still purple and there's a Senate seat up this cycle. Enjoy watching your world crumble, pheater lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
PA swinghole.
PA swinghole.
good luck.
https://papost.org/2020/02/17/pa-officials-worry-about-new-voting-machin...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
thanks, ned.
thanks, ned.
are your parents trumpers?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
Timpane?
Timpane?
that map gave Ohio, Florida, NC and Michigan to Trump.
so which of the BLUE states will Biden lose?
(I'm assuming you are not color-blind)
p.s.: if the state is brown, it did not get added to Biden, meaning not part of 273.
p.s.s. holler back at me if you aren't quite sure what 273 means.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
Here's the 2016 actual (see
Here's the 2016 actual (see choice of "2016 actual" from the "map library at the lower right):
Note that there are only 3 states - from the first map - that differ from 2016:
PA (20) + WI (10) + AZ (11) = 41. 41 + 232 = 273.
Like I said, if Joe wins AZ & PA (and VA),
he needs only ONE of: Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, and North Carolina.
Without Arizona? Well....Michigan & Wisconsin appear to be critical unless Biden can win a confederate state other than VA.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
https://twitter.com
https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1249768876780531712
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
What makes you think joe can
What makes you think joe can win VA? Only reason Hildog picked it up was because of Kaine. He will need two of MI, WI, OH. Or Pa? How is he going to win these states now that there is no crowds and no rallies. What is he going to do exactly? I just don't see it happening at all. Hilary lost AZ, PA, WI, OH, MI. He needs to flip 4/5 and or get VA in replace for Arizona. That's a steep climb. If you honestly think Biden's taking FL then you're high. Trump owns that state.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
Virginia has a Democratic
Virginia has a Democratic Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Attorney General. Both of their U.S. Senators and seven of their eleven members of the U.S. House of Representatives are Democrats. In November of 2019 the Democrats took full control of the commonwealth's General Assembly after several districts were redrawn because of discrimination.
You and your twin sock, P-Heatstroke have been wrong about pretty much everything so far, so why stop now, eh?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
Poor heater and timpy are
Poor heater and timpy are even getting burned by javadave now. Time to regroup boys. Even Bernie has moved on..... Hahaha
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I was watching Democracy Now
I was watching Democracy Now last night. Goodman has a very lengthy interview with a NYT investigative reporter. She then went on to show clips of a CNN interview with Fauchi. Clearly, Democracy Now has respect for "MSM."
At that point it really struck me: Pheater loves to cry foul, but only when it suits his agenda, which is dictated by whatever crap he reads and watches. The dude is so brainwashed by his alt Left overlords that he can't formulate an objective thought.
Let's break down the NYT piece on Reid. Two reporters conducted a lengthy and unbiased investigation. They interviewed over 30 key witnesses, looked at evidence, and came to a conclusion. Pheater didn't like that conclusion, so he made some false claim that it was rigged, to help Biden. There's zero proof of that, and he has slandered respected journalists in the doing. But then it's up to everyone else to prove him wrong.
So wrong about so many things, just regurgitates what the propaganda machine feeds him. Sad.
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Herbal Dave completely
Herbal Dave completely neglected to any fact of how Biden will in the general. Obviously Hilary knew better than Dave by picking Kaine to gain influence in the south and win Virginia. Bush won Virginia twice. And it had been a republican state since the sixties. I'd say it's nowhere near a lock for Biden. Trumps presence on the south is stronger than its ever been. Good luck.
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Drunk and rambling on at 2 in
Drunk and rambling on at 2 in the morning again JR? Nice
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
You struggle with verbs.
You struggle with verbs. syntax, and punctuation like a leaning disabled middle-schooler Timpane-sock. Which one of you is the half-wit?
If you can't grasp the drift to being a Democratic controlled state displayed by the facts I stated, then you're clearly an idiot.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>rambling on at 2 in the morning <
JR is in Seattle. When it is 1:39 am in New Jersey, the time in Seattle is 10:39 pm.
There are 4 time zones across the continental United States, Eastern, Central, Mountain and Pacific. See the link below for more information on how they work....
https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/time3.htm
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
More positive indicators from
More positive indicators from Wisconsin:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics/wisconsin-election-results-biden...
Democrat wins Wisconsin race that Republicans insisted on holding despite pandemic
(CNN)Democrats claimed victory Monday in a Wisconsin Supreme Court election that Republicans insisted on holding last week despite the coronavirus pandemic.
Liberal Dane County Judge Jill Karofsky defeated conservative Justice Daniel Kelly, an incumbent backed by President Donald Trump, in a race for a 10-year seat on the state's Supreme Court. Karofsky declared victory and Kelly conceded Monday evening as votes were still being counted in the close contest.
The outcome is an embarrassment for state and national Republicans, who had blocked Democratic Gov. Tony Evers' bid to postpone the election or have it conducted entirely by mail and had fought in court against rules that would have made it easier to cast absentee ballots -- leaving Wisconsin the only state to go forward with in-person voting in April.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
JR may be on the West Coast,
JR may be on the West Coast, but I'm not sure if he lives in Seattle anymore. I'm also not convinced that's JR posting. Sometimes it seems like him, other times not so much.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
is this when i post bk has
is this when i post bk has been posting about me from 12hrs ago and i haven't said a thing? thought so.
bk, for somebody who says everything isn't so black and white, you certainly paint that picture as everything being in strictly black and white terms. wtf?
amy interviewing nyt journalist, or showing clips of cnn isn't allowed? hahahaha what's wrong w/ you man?
that'd be like saying bernie can't go on cnn or fox. black and white man. stupid. you know this but you're playing your fucked up message board game, as always.
and no mention of that edit on the story -- weird.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/business/media/joe-biden-tara-reade-n...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Every time you get called out
Every time you get called out for your hypocrisy and utter stupidity, you say the same shit. Lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Time to "step in line",
Time to "step in line", pheater.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Heater, did you read that NYT
Heater, did you read that NYT interview, or just the Tweet about it?
Because, you know, in no way does the piece point to the conspiracy that you are proposing. But fuck it, some masked Tweeter told you it did, so you ran with it.
So wrong, so much of the time.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
that's all you have, bk? it's
that's all you have, bk? it's not even true lol.
sorry guys, im not voting centrist dem, even against evil trump.
the country has to learn one way or another. time to break the cycle -- sorry if you have kids -- blame people like ned, who didn't vote bernie in the primary, and instead voted to hold our country back.
i mean, if biden were to announce his support for m4a, which btw is at a 9month high in terms of support, a green new deal, federal legalization, 15$ minimum wage, complete ban on fracking --- i'd vote for the scumbag. that won't happen tho.
unless ned gets to work right now! come on buddy. help us help you. you know you need it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
it points out the paragraph
it points out the paragraph you conveniently didn't mention is your paragraphs above, and how the biden camp asked them to edit it out.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
where are all the pa, va and
where are all the pa, va and fl zoners?
but man this horse is dead.
ned and bk are worse than pheater with the continued flogging.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
are centrists begging the
are centrists begging the biden camp to make concessions so they can try to beat trump in nov.?
ned?
bk?
bk will say biden already has -- he's just wrong, haha! (fake progressive, right bk?)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
I have an inside conduit to
I have an inside conduit to Biden...will pass on my thoughts. thx
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
i wish that were true, ned.
i wish that were true, ned.
biden said he'll veto m4a.
y'all have a long way to go -- better hurry up.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
The campaign asked him to
The campaign asked him to take out, "beyond the hugs, kisses and touching..." It's not like they were asked to cover up accusations of sexual misconduct.
Kudos to the NYT for printing that interview, which questions itself.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
<biden said he'll veto m4a<
It will never pass the Senate, it won't even get a vote.
Turtle, Biden has a lot of support in Delaware, Chester, Montgomery, Bucks, and Philadelphia counties. Any Democrat needs to carry these counties by a large margin in order to win Pennsylvania. Biden also is fairly popular in Lakawanna County, where Scranton is located.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> i wish that were true, ned
>> i wish that were true, ned. <<
Well, it is.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
so get to work.
great -- so then get to work.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
except biden has a history of
except biden has a history of that shit bk. why don't you get it?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
OK pheater...and please help
OK pheater...and please help vote trump out for god's sake.
Take all that energy (4.2+) and do something with it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Wow, so Java Dave making fun
Wow, so Java Dave making fun of disabled people now? Your a scum bag man. You're ignorance and white male privi is rival to Ned now. Congrats. When Virginia goes red you'll be sitting there crying like a lil baby wondering how you were so wrong. This guy can't find anything better to do than to make fun of disabled kids on drug band board. Pretty sad
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I've already addressed that,
I've already addressed that, Heater.
Ultimately, I don't have to get it. I'm a nobody on a dbmb.
Have you contacted Sanders to berate him for endorsing a serial "uncomfortable maker?"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
biden has many concessions to
biden has many concessions to make before i vote for him. highly unlikely biden does what is best for the country, but we'll see what happens!
keep us updated, ned.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
^ Timpy...both you and
^ Timpy...both you and pheater have been wrong about everything, so far.
Why stop now? LOL
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
yes bk. he mentioned the
yes bk. he mentioned the burlington police and asked i never call again.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Ned, you're the guy who think
Ned, you're the guy who think Biden will change the SCOTUS. You're pretty stupid.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
ned are your parents PA
^hahahaha.
ned are your parents PA trumpers?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Ned is so close to admitting
Ned is so close to admitting that the only reason he doesn't want M4A is because he can afford his health insurance. So everyone who can't, fuck em right?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
When have I ever said I don't
When have I ever said I don't want M4A?
I have said it's not gong to get through Congress in its current form, and I have said it's a political porcupine. Both are opinions about the politics.
I would LOVE to get M4A or some derivative. I pay $1000/mo for shitty catastrophic coverage with a $7500 deductible.
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^ned has said this. sad.
^neither will biden's scotus picks.
now what?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
No pheater...both my parents
No pheater...both my parents are Blue, and have known the Bidens since the 70s.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> ^neither will biden's
>> ^neither will biden's scotus picks. <<
Maybe in the 4th year of a term, but not in the first 3.
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wow. interesting.
wow. interesting.
so have you smoked rock w/ the kids?
they probably get the pure shit.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Timpy continuing the 100%
Timpy continuing the 100% wrong streak....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Nope...but have friends who
Nope...but have friends who went to school with them. Northern DE is a small community.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Can't filibuster court picks, Pyramid.
RBG replacement will be confirmed, IMO. A liberal for a liberal does not change the balance of the court. Thomas' replacement may face a tougher confirmation, again IMO
Ned, I thought Northern Delaware was just an extension of SE Pennsylvania... Pennsylvania's tax free shopping zone
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
Mr. Cacophony, I wasn't
Mr. Cacophony, I wasn't making fun of ld kids, I was pointing out that you are displaying the grammar problems common with that group. I had experience with that in the years I was teaching. It is an actual disability. If you can't grasp that, I'm not surprised.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Yes OCLT....except they now
Yes OCLT....except they now have roadblocks lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
Bernie is now supporting Joe.
Bernie is now supporting Joe.
As 4 dbmb bots?
God looks after drunks & fools
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Whatever you have to tell
Whatever you have to tell yourself, Dave. Keep try to save your face. You're an asshole.
Ned is still pissed that I made fun of his shwaggy ass donut joint.
Damn, Ned and the Biden's are super tight. Makes sense.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Andean Flight
Wow, I have not had time to
Wow, I have not had time to participate in this thread over the last few days, but I gotta say: I love what you all have done with the thread. I feel like a lot of good progress has been made, good job, Zoners!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
LOL...wrong again, Timpy!!
LOL...wrong again, Timpy!!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Herbal Dave tought Special
Herbal Dave taught Special Education kids so that gives him the right to make fun of them. Good logic, guy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Ned so proud to be family
Ned so proud to be family friends with the Biden's lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
this is the best thread on
this is the best thread on this site.
right?
they all have been.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
I was only making fun of you,
I was only making fun of you, asshole. Do you have something you want to share with the group?
If Virginia goes red in November, I will have no problem admitting I was wrong. When it stays blue, will you be able to do that?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> Ned so proud to be family
>> Ned so proud to be family friends with the Biden's lol <<
Wrong again!! lol you're batting 1.000 timpy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Yes, and I will take you up
Yes, and I will take you up on that, Dave. Just don't make fun of kids with special needs anymore. I'm fair game and I can take insults without crying to hard about it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
I wouldn't be proud to be
I wouldn't be proud to be friends with the Biden's either.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
<< Drunk and rambling on at 2
<< Drunk and rambling on at 2 in the morning again JR? Nice
<< JR is in Seattle. When it is 1:39 am in New Jersey, the time in Seattle is 10:39 pm.
Poor guy just can't catch a break.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
What's up JR? Can you back up
What's up JR? Can you back up Ned on his donuts? I say he posts a pic or STFU.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
Just to set the record
Just to set the record straight I didn't and don't make fun of special education or learning disabled people (they're actually two different groups Mr. Wrong-Again). If you identify with either of those groups, my bad, as again, you and your idiotic blathering were the only target of my criticism.
P-Heat, if you think this is the best thread on this site, it speaks volumes about you. Leading in the popular vote doesn't make you a winner. Just ask HRC. The Jorma live stream thread would get my vote, and I like a lot of the threads that Alan has started recently. Judit's thoughtful thread about "how do we go on? How do we create our future" is worthy, and just one of many threads here that contains more substance than this myopically bloviated exercise in narcissism, petulance and stupidity.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
<<Judit's thoughtful thread
<<Judit's thoughtful thread about "how do we go on? How do we create our future" is worthy
rolls eyes.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Herbal Dave will pretty much
Herbal Dave will pretty much do anything to validate himself making fun of a special needs kid. You said it, so stopping acting like a coward and own up to it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Herbal Dave is just Ned in a
Herbal Dave is just like Ned in a lot of ways. In their fucked up heads they are the only ones who are right. Dave thinking Biden is going to get Virginia is just laughable. Take a nap guy, or keep going on about how you didn't make fun of handicapped children when you 100% did. You're a scum bag.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
Tinpan trying very hard to
Tinpan trying very hard to deflect from his utter ignorance of VA politics.
And too stupid to realize Dave is making fun of him.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dave
Perhaps disagreeing without
Perhaps disagreeing without being disagreeable is something to consider.
Wait what am I thinking. This is after all VivaLaZone. OK never mind then.
Carry on .
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
So from 64 to 2008 VA went
So from 64 to 2008 VA went Republican. Dems won last three. Anything else? Va goes to trump in 2020 is my opinion.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Since bluesnote is a zoner
Since bluesnote is a zoner politician maybe he can do some googling on VA politics and come up with a rebuttal
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
Timpane is really a
Timpane is really a Republican operative working for the RNC. He's a full on Trumptard.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
He really is dense. Holy f.
He really is dense. Holy f.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Settle down, Timbo. He said
Settle down, Timbo. He said your grammar is like a kid with an LD. I guess that lumping you in with the LD population could make them look bad, but that's kind of a stretch.
Crazy that your panties are all in a bunch over it. You've spent the last 5 years slandering me and calling me a "molester" (on 2 boards, probably), which is far worse than him saying your grammar is LD. You don't see me crying like a baby over it.
I get it, you're sick of the white, abled, male privilege that you see. It must suck to be you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
java dave had a nice melt up
java dave had a nice melt up there.
it was a joke, asshole.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
https://projects
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/virginia/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
woz supported bloomberg.
woz supported bloomberg.
and then lapped up the "he's no an oligarch" msnbc talking point.
talk about "trumptarded" or whatever the fuck that is.
lol. good times.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force
What do you Folks think about
What do you Folks think about this?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/millennials-are-new-lost-generation/609832/
Do You think these issues will influence future elections?
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3.2 for BKs unexplained melt.
3.2 for BKs unexplained melt.
Last five years? I didn't know you existed five years ago guy. You have me confused with someone else.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
No melt, Timbo. Your
No melt, Timbo. Your hypocrisy is amusing. It's cute that any time you or Heater get called out for your melts, you say others are melting.
A few weeks ago I said that you've been trolling for 5 years, and you stated that you've been here for 10. If you didn't know who I was 5 years ago, then how do you know my "dirty joke" story? Did you hear it second hand, and then choose to slander me repeatedly based on that? Make up your mind on your bullshit stories and lies. You're confusing yourself.
You millennials can dish it out, but you can't take it at all. Probably because of shitty parenting.
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ogkb
Meaning Kids YOUR age ??
THAT will show them, huh..P defeated.!?!?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Racketinmyhead
Sweet shamey fingers by the
Sweet shamey fingers by the babbling Chilean and the whiny swinghole resident.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bryen
Question # 1
Was Bernie ever really in it to win it, or to manipulate it?
Question # 2
Was the "movement" ever an actual "reality" ?
...this, from a guy that registered more democrats than anyone else that ever posted here ever. [[[the irony]]]
Namaste
https://youtu.be/C4CUvZF2YO8
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rrg what's good? bidens been
rrg what's good? bidens been your guys all along, right?
you drunk red neck horse dick wannabe biker.
bk what's the issue now? i know my dad def never told a sex joke to a female co worker, then got fired for it, so if that makes him a shitty parent, i'll take it!
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Shut up, Heater. B-ry is in
Shut up, Heater. B-ry is in the house.
I love how you just make shit up. It tracks. You are literally wrong about pretty much everything. Like this line of reasoning: the PR firm that did Bloomberg's campaign put in a bid to do Biden's. Therefore, Biden is a Republican.
That was the stupidest shit you've spewed to date. It just gets lower and lower IQ.
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By the way, nice lashy outy
By the way, nice lashy outy melt on RRG. Could you get more trashy? Who needs a stupid sex joke when you have a post like yours?
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keep melting, son.
keep melting, son.
you should like it.
haha you're that guy, man.
that guy.
sucks.
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I swear that I'm going to
I swear that I'm going to have carpal tunnel syndrome from scrolling to the bottom of this thread.
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No, Heater, you are that guy.
No, Heater, you are that guy. You're just too daft to see it. You can't even formulate an original thought. From your political rants to your personal attacks, you steal other people's material, and you always choose the dumbest shit.
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thing is, i get im an asshole
thing is, i get im an asshole.
but your shitty self thinks you're better than others -- that's your thing man -- BK can't possibly stoop that low, he's a teacher or some shit. is that what you whisper to yourself?
yeah, whatever man. a little self awareness would be nice.
yeah, i'm shitty.
so are you, mother fucker.
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There's a level that I won't
There's a level that I won't stoop below. Very few here will go that low because it's just wrong and nasty. You do. We are not the same. It's not because I'm a teacher. It's because it just isn't right.
Look at your post up there. In one felled swoop you propagated a slanderous lie against me and attacked RRG for no reason. There are only a few here who would act like that. They are your heroes. But don't fool yourself into thinking that we are all the same in that respect. Once again, you're wrong.
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A little self awareness would be nice.
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B- ry is in the house>>>
B- ry is in the house>>>
*sighs and shakes head*
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Hi everyone. Fun times in
Hi everyone. Fun times in here!!!
I'm bbq farm raised salmon and eating Safeway potato salad! Hahaha
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bk you're just lying to
bk you're just lying to yourself.
you also have a terrible habit of speaking for others, like, all the time, post after post.
and you're literally in the middle of every shitty thread, swingin and flingin, while attempting to appear less ridiculous w/ your paragraphs about nothing.
you're not fooling anybody, fyi
you really are the worst.
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Who am I speaking for? Once
Who am I speaking for? Once again, just making stuff up. It's what you do. Wrong again.
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Look at you, telling me what
Look at you, telling me what I think, talking about what others think. Lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
you're crazy man. this isn't
you're crazy man. this isn't just what i've noticed w/ you and I, this is your entire zoning history.
im not making anything up, and never do, no reason to, nothing to hide man.
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Buddy, in this thread alone
Buddy, in this thread alone you've demeaned, belittled and/of called at least 10 people names. And you're talking about my Zoning history?
Self-awareness...lol
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you keep pointing out my shit
you keep pointing out my shit, i i will yours.
sounds fair. sorry you can't take yourself.
strange.
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Now, that's psychobabble.
Now, that's psychobabble.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
where is our psychobabble
where is our psychobabble baby?
lltd, you out there?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
....get a room?
....get a room?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force
pyramidheat on Tuesday,
Just leaving this little nut here for the Squirrels...
Happy Wednesday, everybody!
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>> ogkb pyramidheat on
>> ogkb pyramidheat on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 – 10:29 pm
you also have a terrible habit of speaking for others, like, all the time, post after post. <<
Gaslighter Supreme.
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Good times in here?
Good times in here?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
625
625
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I hope you're not calling me
I hope you're not calling me a gaslighter, Ned.
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Of course not...that is a
Of course not...that is a quote from the Melt King okgb
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ned, where's your buddy pal
ned, where's your buddy pal kingdb?
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ned, where's your buddy pal
ned, where's your buddy pal kingdb?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
It was a weird thing to say
It was a weird thing to say to me, because I speak only for myself, and make a point of not putting thoughts or words in the minds of the masses.
Not only was it a false statement that has no factual basis, it was gross hyperbole.
I'll call that the tactic of the weak minded.
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It was a weird thing to say
It was a weird thing to say to me, because I speak only for myself, and make a point of not putting thoughts or words in the minds of the masses.
Not only was it a false statement that has no factual basis, it was gross hyperbole.
I'll call that the tactic of the weak minded.
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Did that obnoxious little
Did that obnoxious little fuckstick finally get a timeout?
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633
633
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^viva's (and then former pz's
^viva's (and the former pz's) resident troll.
some things never change.
bluest you filthy asshole, how we doing?
actually bk, you've spoken for me or put words in my mouth several times. you just won't own up to it, b/c, well........we all know why.
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whoever re-ignited this
whoever re-ignited this thread was obviously just looking for trouble. how about we all act like adults?
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< how about we all act like
< how about we all act like adults?
I believe someone acted kind of adultish last Friday, it won't be due to happen again till sometime next week.