Hamas ended the ceasefire on 10/7/23 and they ended the most recent one by neither releasing any more hostages/dead bodies nor coming to the table for more talks.
I know that a bunch of you think that the authoritarian jihadists are the good guys, but you're wrong. Hamas doesn't want a free Palestine. Their goal #1 is destruction of Israel, goal #2 is death to all Jews, and goal #3 is their own brand of sharia law. Those are just the facts. It is estimated that Hamas has killed 30,000-40,000 Gazans in the last 20 years, but all the Hamas fluffers in the West don't give a shit. The "resistance" my ass.
It''s really fucking easy. Release the hostages and dead bodies and stand down. There's your ceasefire. At this point it's 100% on Hamas.
And before our esteemed linguists start screaming "genocide" again, do some research. It's estimated that the birth rate in Gaza has been 5,000 per month throughout the war period, making the population higher now than it was 18 months ago. That's not a genocide.
THe whole Trump thing is a red herring. I don't care about his BS.
Watching what Hamas did with the hostage handovers, and especially the disgusting scene around the Bibas family coffins, really elucidated what Hamas is and what their true goals are. It's indisputable that if the hostages are freed and Hamas leadership leaves Gaza altogether, the peace process will truly begin. Hamas doesn't want that.
C'mon Ken, ethnic cleansing? That charge has been levied on Israel for years. Yet the Palestinians have their language, religion, customs, education system (well, not so much any more). Gaza, like the majority of the Arab world, is ethnically cleansed of all but Muslims. Genocide and ethnic cleansing have set meanings. Both have been bastardized to make Hamas look like righteous martyrs. Not buying it.
I've never doubted or denied potential war crimes by Israel. The whole "collective punishment" line has lost meaning. It's a fucking war started by Hamas, who then hid like little bitches among civilians and launched strikes from humanitarian areas. Basically it's like, Hamas can do whatever they want and Israel can't respond because they will always be wrong.
UNWRA/Hamas has been in control of Gaza's education system since 2005. They have been unfettered in teaching the importance of martyrdom and the destruction of Israel and all Jews. The only ones who want ethnic cleansing are Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, and the Houthis. If you want to see ethnically cleaned populations, look at the Arab states.
Yes. Netanyahu and many on the far right in Israel have warmly endorsed the US president's proposal to depopulate Gaza, which by definition is "ethnic cleansing." Until they pubically denounce that plan and declare they don't intend to depopulate the Gaza Strip, it is fair to use that term.
That was Trump's plan and he has since stepped it back, saying it would be voluntary. Bibi never truly endorsed it as viable and there was never a plan put in place to make it happen. That's not to say other hard line Israelis didn't. Tho only ethnic cleansing in Gaza was in 2005, when Israel forcibly removed citizens to make way for Palestinian self rule.
It's estimated that the birth rate in Gaza has been 5,000 per month throughout the war period, making the population higher now than it was 18 months ago. That's not a genocide.
claiming that something doesnt count as a genocide because the population being SLAUGHTERED is still having babies is probably the most disgusting thing i have ever read on the philzone. your political and ethic supremacy is consuming the last vestiges of your humanity. what a sick way to look at the world. if you ever wonder how the german people allowed the holocaust to happen, just have a conversation about isreal with sack of shit briank.
What the fuck are you talking about? Keep your bullshit propaganda to yourself. Comparing Gaza to the Holocaust in any way, shape, or form is disgusting.
This is your bullshit tactic: make some irrational claim that isn't backed by facts and then personally attack the people who call you out on it with more bullshit. You're not morally superior and it isn't and was never genocide.
Everyone will fight over the Magic Kingdom forever. That's what makes it so special. The Palestinians will thank the Israelis one day. If not for the Israelis the Shias would have driven out the Sunni Palestinians by now. The Christian's would be only in the dozens as well. And worth note with as much destruction and damage provided by the Israelis, the casualties should be closer to 750,000. Believe it or not they actually try not to harm civilians. Yes, hard for me to believe as well.
and while they are not rounding people up and sending them on trains to their death, they just carpet bomb a captive civilian population with no where to go...
call it whatever the fuck you want but it's GROSS.
arab states suck, sure we get it. bad...but to keep apologizing for the regime is fucked up.
Hamas has a well armed and well funded army with at least 20,000 members. That army hides behind human shields. That army spent years and billions of dollars building tunnels and developing supply lines of weapons and missiles. That army invaded Israel, killed 1,200 people, raped and tortured hundreds, and took 250 hostages. That army has murdered an estimated 30,000-40,000 Gazans. That army has a powerful propaganda machine.
The facts may be inconvenient, but they are irrefutable.
I'm still amazed at how few of the pro Palestinian crowd has ever called for the release of the hostages. Shit, most of you deny Hamas' crimes against humanity, like rape and mutilation. In your minds they get a "by any means necessary" pass and Israel has no right to do shit.
Israel can and should track down and bring to justice everyone involved in the Oct. 7 atrocities. And they are sophisticated enough to do that without killing 40,000+ non-combatants in the process. The way they pulled off the Hezbollah pager/radio bombings and how they kill various well guarded terrorist leaders across the middle east with pinpoint accuracy confirms they can do that without causing a lot of collateral damage. Might not be easy or quick, but they would keep the moral high ground and not isolate themselves from the international community like they have done.
I agree with that, Ken, but that didn't happen and here we are. They opted to go for a normal war instead of the high moral ground war. In that they gave Hamas a morbid win.
Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, commenting on the loss of civilian life in Gaza on October 26, 2023: “The blood of the women, children and elderly […] we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”
They have gone that way because their intention is not just to put down hamas, who are also disgusting, but to drive the Palestinians out. Whatever it takes. They are just using hamas as an excuse for genocide. That is obvious.
Extremism sucks. Both the Hamas leadership and the far-right factions controlling the Israeli government are fanatical nut jobs. A meaningful and lasting peace won't happen until they are both disempowered and progressive leaders are found.
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Dudes a War criminal
Dudes a War criminal
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https://abcnews.go.com
https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-conducts-extensive-strikes-g...
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whoever believed him thinks
whoever believed him thinks the one here will ever change, either
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Hamas ended the ceasefire on
Hamas ended the ceasefire on 10/7/23 and they ended the most recent one by neither releasing any more hostages/dead bodies nor coming to the table for more talks.
I know that a bunch of you think that the authoritarian jihadists are the good guys, but you're wrong. Hamas doesn't want a free Palestine. Their goal #1 is destruction of Israel, goal #2 is death to all Jews, and goal #3 is their own brand of sharia law. Those are just the facts. It is estimated that Hamas has killed 30,000-40,000 Gazans in the last 20 years, but all the Hamas fluffers in the West don't give a shit. The "resistance" my ass.
It''s really fucking easy. Release the hostages and dead bodies and stand down. There's your ceasefire. At this point it's 100% on Hamas.
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And before our esteemed
And before our esteemed linguists start screaming "genocide" again, do some research. It's estimated that the birth rate in Gaza has been 5,000 per month throughout the war period, making the population higher now than it was 18 months ago. That's not a genocide.
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It's a failed genocide.
It's a failed genocide.
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It's self defense
It's self defense
Trump International Hotel Gaza Sands
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
How about: "ethnic cleansing,
How about: "ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, and the unnecessary use of violence against civilian populations."
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THe whole Trump thing is a
THe whole Trump thing is a red herring. I don't care about his BS.
Watching what Hamas did with the hostage handovers, and especially the disgusting scene around the Bibas family coffins, really elucidated what Hamas is and what their true goals are. It's indisputable that if the hostages are freed and Hamas leadership leaves Gaza altogether, the peace process will truly begin. Hamas doesn't want that.
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I think Garcia's insight that
I think Garcia's insight that "Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil" fits here.
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C'mon Ken, ethnic cleansing?
C'mon Ken, ethnic cleansing? That charge has been levied on Israel for years. Yet the Palestinians have their language, religion, customs, education system (well, not so much any more). Gaza, like the majority of the Arab world, is ethnically cleansed of all but Muslims. Genocide and ethnic cleansing have set meanings. Both have been bastardized to make Hamas look like righteous martyrs. Not buying it.
I've never doubted or denied potential war crimes by Israel. The whole "collective punishment" line has lost meaning. It's a fucking war started by Hamas, who then hid like little bitches among civilians and launched strikes from humanitarian areas. Basically it's like, Hamas can do whatever they want and Israel can't respond because they will always be wrong.
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BrianK is 1000% correct
BrianK is 1000% correct
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Lol
Lol
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UNWRA/Hamas has been in
UNWRA/Hamas has been in control of Gaza's education system since 2005. They have been unfettered in teaching the importance of martyrdom and the destruction of Israel and all Jews. The only ones who want ethnic cleansing are Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, and the Houthis. If you want to see ethnically cleaned populations, look at the Arab states.
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>>>>C'mon Ken, ethnic
>>>>C'mon Ken, ethnic cleansing?
Yes. Netanyahu and many on the far right in Israel have warmly endorsed the US president's proposal to depopulate Gaza, which by definition is "ethnic cleansing." Until they pubically denounce that plan and declare they don't intend to depopulate the Gaza Strip, it is fair to use that term.
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That was Trump's plan and he
That was Trump's plan and he has since stepped it back, saying it would be voluntary. Bibi never truly endorsed it as viable and there was never a plan put in place to make it happen. That's not to say other hard line Israelis didn't. Tho only ethnic cleansing in Gaza was in 2005, when Israel forcibly removed citizens to make way for Palestinian self rule.
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It's estimated that the birth
claiming that something doesnt count as a genocide because the population being SLAUGHTERED is still having babies is probably the most disgusting thing i have ever read on the philzone. your political and ethic supremacy is consuming the last vestiges of your humanity. what a sick way to look at the world. if you ever wonder how the german people allowed the holocaust to happen, just have a conversation about isreal with sack of shit briank.
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What the fuck are you talking
What the fuck are you talking about? Keep your bullshit propaganda to yourself. Comparing Gaza to the Holocaust in any way, shape, or form is disgusting.
This is your bullshit tactic: make some irrational claim that isn't backed by facts and then personally attack the people who call you out on it with more bullshit. You're not morally superior and it isn't and was never genocide.
Go play with your jihad-loving pals.
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Hamas ended the ceasefire on 10/7/23
What ceasefire?
August 28, 2023 12:00AM EDT|Report
West Bank: Spike in Israeli Killings of Palestinian Children
End Systematic Impunity for Unlawful Lethal Force
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-pal...
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Everyone will fight over the
Everyone will fight over the Magic Kingdom forever. That's what makes it so special. The Palestinians will thank the Israelis one day. If not for the Israelis the Shias would have driven out the Sunni Palestinians by now. The Christian's would be only in the dozens as well. And worth note with as much destruction and damage provided by the Israelis, the casualties should be closer to 750,000. Believe it or not they actually try not to harm civilians. Yes, hard for me to believe as well.
It's war. It sucks. I'm not endorsing it.
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Wow.
Wow.
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a war is when 2 sides both
a war is when 2 sides both have an army.
only 1 does.
this is not a war.
and while they are not rounding people up and sending them on trains to their death, they just carpet bomb a captive civilian population with no where to go...
call it whatever the fuck you want but it's GROSS.
arab states suck, sure we get it. bad...but to keep apologizing for the regime is fucked up.
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Hamas has a well armed and
Hamas has a well armed and well funded army with at least 20,000 members. That army hides behind human shields. That army spent years and billions of dollars building tunnels and developing supply lines of weapons and missiles. That army invaded Israel, killed 1,200 people, raped and tortured hundreds, and took 250 hostages. That army has murdered an estimated 30,000-40,000 Gazans. That army has a powerful propaganda machine.
The facts may be inconvenient, but they are irrefutable.
I'm still amazed at how few of the pro Palestinian crowd has ever called for the release of the hostages. Shit, most of you deny Hamas' crimes against humanity, like rape and mutilation. In your minds they get a "by any means necessary" pass and Israel has no right to do shit.
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>>>>Israel has no right to do
>>>>Israel has no right to do shit.
Israel can and should track down and bring to justice everyone involved in the Oct. 7 atrocities. And they are sophisticated enough to do that without killing 40,000+ non-combatants in the process. The way they pulled off the Hezbollah pager/radio bombings and how they kill various well guarded terrorist leaders across the middle east with pinpoint accuracy confirms they can do that without causing a lot of collateral damage. Might not be easy or quick, but they would keep the moral high ground and not isolate themselves from the international community like they have done.
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I agree with that, Ken, but
I agree with that, Ken, but that didn't happen and here we are. They opted to go for a normal war instead of the high moral ground war. In that they gave Hamas a morbid win.
Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, commenting on the loss of civilian life in Gaza on October 26, 2023: “The blood of the women, children and elderly […] we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”
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They have gone that way
They have gone that way because their intention is not just to put down hamas, who are also disgusting, but to drive the Palestinians out. Whatever it takes. They are just using hamas as an excuse for genocide. That is obvious.
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And it's suddenly being quite
And it's suddenly being quite suppressed.
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WORLD PEACE IS FREE AND HAS
WORLD PEACE IS FREE AND HAS BEGUN
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Extremism sucks. Both the
Extremism sucks. Both the Hamas leadership and the far-right factions controlling the Israeli government are fanatical nut jobs. A meaningful and lasting peace won't happen until they are both disempowered and progressive leaders are found.
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The same could be said about
The same could be said about the world at large lately. Extremism/Fascism is once again having its day.
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>>>>The way they pulled off
>>>>The way they pulled off the Hezbollah pager/radio bombings
That was some next level terrorist shit there! Israelis are the masters of terrorism!
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i'm with ken
i'm with ken