Coming to concert halls everywhere: Facial Recognition

The technology is not there yet.

Not even close.

Fingerprint recognition / verification as well.

>Not even close.

lol

I am curious on how long it will be before people without VIP credentials are plucked from the "Great Expectations" side of the fence?<<<<

I wouldn't worry all that much, Shappy is invested heavily in said technology ... that will also be tethered to and coordinated with automated drones.

Which means that you are screwed FOM. You must know that Shapiro knows that you bash him in public constantly, he certainly has the means to implement the technology to recognize you and have you eliminated before, during or after a show at one of his venues with a coordinated drone strike. 

The question now is, will you continue to attend concerts at venues that he owns knowing that you will be putting other concert goers at risk? 

Security on walkie-talkie: Pull the water coolers STAT...set up the velvet ropes....

If "bash" = tell it like it is, then I'm "guilty".

But you raise a very interesting point / nuance:  how will facial recognition be leveraged by private interests to further their own agenda?

Likewise, what sort of rights to privacy and non-discriminatory practices do individuals retain?

Wouldn't it be in Shappy's interest to allow for authorities to pluck someone from the venue at a sold out show; allowing him to resell another ticket to those currently on a waitlist?

> tell it like it is

yeah ok 

omg lol

What are your thoughts re: facial recognition, bro?

Please stuff yourself into an overhead bin...thx.

"Sticking up" for bro, are we now?

A local shopping mall installed cameras to scan license plates.  Any car that is flagged gets police dispatched to arrest people/confiscate the car.  They look for stolen cars, cars associated with people that have arrest warrants, missing persons, etc.  basically any license plate on police radar for any reason.  

The money should be spent on bullshit detectors to be installed in the nations capital...

No FOM...that was my own original thought.

I could tell, you said "please" (and "thx"); ostensibly making an attempt to improve the "tone" of your message ... or as a form of sarcasm.

You have no rights of privacy in a public location, which concert venues, halls, arenas, stadiums, parks, fields, etc. are all classified as public locations.<<<

Would this also include biometric information?  Could Shappy perform iris scans and retain info if the technology evolves to such a level one day?

>>>

>Not even close.

Do you have an algorithm or emded solution we don't know about. Mr lol ?

Bitcoin sell it if you do.

I am sitting next to a Solid state physicist / FAE that works for me, that would love to LOL with you.

Atlhough I've no warrants,  I usually dress like vintage Peter Sellers in a Professor Balls get-up when I attend the rare Concert.

For the David Byrne show,  I wore my 1978 Tina Weymouth look,  but usually I'm costumed as "Skunk" Baxter ca. 1976.

>>The technology is much further along than you think, Bluelight.

Actually its not. I have been working with the FBI and the DOD since 1998 on it.

It's far away from prime-time - airport or a concert venue.

I have published articles on the subject.  Anyone who knows my name can Google it and my articles on Image Verification come up, as far back as 1999.

lol 

act like real men?

lol

that's right 6-e

Police in South Wales have arrested a man using automatic facial recognition software. It's the first time a person has been seized this way in the UK, according to Wales Online, following a series of trials at large-scale public events including Download music festival and Notting Hill Carnival. 

https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/06/uk-police-arrest-automatic-facial-re...

thanks for clearing that up ender

i knew bluelight was full of crap 

lol

Google is your friend on the subject.

I will email anyone some of my articles on "Image Verification".

I was always forward thinking...

lol farmer.

The state of New York says its driver's license facial recognition technology has led to the arrest of 4,000 people in connection to identify theft or fraud crimes. This number is likely to skyrocket in the wake of the state doubling the number of measurement points for photographs.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/biometrics-leads-to-thousand...

Moscow’s local government has formally announced the deployment of facial recognition technology on a “city-wide” network of CCTV cameras. The system has been undergoing tests for close to a year, but the city’s Department of Information Technology today revealed new details of the project, including its licensing agreement with Russian startup NTechLab for the facial recognition software itself.

Speaking to The Verge, the chief information officer of the Department of Information Technology, Artem Ermolaev, said the project is still “somewhere between” testing and finished, but has already led to six arrests. “We connected to a federal list of [wanted criminals] for the past two months, and arrested six persons, who hadn’t been caught for several years,” said Ermolaev.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/28/16378164/moscow-facial-recognition-cc...

Lol

https://gizmodo.com/madison-square-garden-has-been-secretly-using-face-r...

used extensively during the recent 13-show run of the jam-band Phish, whose fans are known to be abusers of illegal recreational drugs 

Are you serious?

http://www.eff.org/wp/law-enforcement-use-face-recognition

FBI has failed to address the problem of face recognition inaccuracy. The minimal testing and reporting conducted by FBI showed its own system was incapable of accurate identification at least 15 percent of the time....

>>Lol

What do you do for a living Brochaco?

Guys bluelite has articles from the 90s

^^What do you do for a living Brochaco?

I shared what I do & have done

>> FBI has failed to address the problem of face recognition inaccuracy. The minimal testing and reporting conducted by FBI showed its own system was incapable of accurate identification at least 15 percent of the time....

This quote from your EFF article is sourced from this NIST publication. It was published in 2011 and references the FBI fusion algorithm testing from 2006. The google articles I posted are all from 2017.

I'm sure a lot has changed in the past decade. Facbook claims they have 97.25% accuracy and are nearly at good as humans as recognizing faces.

>> shared what I do & have done

He has lol'd and will lol again

I work for a vaccine manufacturer.

why would anyone worry UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE

are you a terrorist? a sinner? you can be saved

That's impressive. Thanks for the post. You a purchasing manager? You seem great with numbers?

No. Just a manufacturing tech right now.

I just wear my dazzle camouflage makeup everywhere i go.

Problem solved.

They'll never get me!

<<< I have been working with the FBI and the DOD

Cop thread.

>why would anyone worry UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE<

fuck this mentality.

Casinos have been using it for a long time to catch card counters among other things. 

>> I have been working with the FBI and the DOD

Tell us about what really happened on 9/11.

>>Tell us about what really happened on 9/11.

Why don't you talk to me about facial recognition, finger print or voice verification.

>> Why don't you talk to me about facial recognition, finger print or voice verification.

Is there a standard digital format for storing finger print data or is it all proprietary? 

>>Is there a standard digital format for storing finger print data or is it all proprietary? 

It's till open architecture and there are different levels of precision, generally worldwide.

Proprietary for Countries like Israel, where they have been at the forefront of MPEG core processing development applications are critical and sometimes worth the risk.

>>why would anyone worry UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE<

fuck this mentality

agreed. unfortunately that mentality is real and in charge. 

Why don't you talk to me about facial recognition, finger print or voice verification.<<<

What about license plate / vehicle identification?  I imagine this is a lot easier than any of the above?

It really freaks me out in terms of what's possible with stationary cameras as well as swarms of drones dispatched to strategic arteries and choke points in the midst of an operation or  regular "patrol".  I'm sure cops in the field will be equipped with augmented reality sort of monitoring / alert functions.   Likewise, being able to run conversations harvested remotely through programs that detect "suspicious content" and trigger an alert.

>>What about license plate / vehicle identification?  I imagine this is a lot easier than any of the above?

Great application.

We in the New York City metro area have removed all the tolls across the tunnels and bridges; using image verification of our license plates in conjunction with our EZ passes. Has eased traffic immensely.

I'm sure there are other "positive" applications, but I believe the intrusive nature is what will have the most pervasive impact upon people's lives ... and it will add up "collectively" in so far as how society develops certain quirks -- less than it's best possible world -- as there becomes an embedded societal understanding that we're being watched / tracked at every turn.

just another reason to own btc

it's not just an "investment" 

https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/ticketmaster-facial-recognition/

Ticketmaster and Live Nation have recently suggested that they’re looking into the technology that would replace tickets with facial recognition software. On Monday, The Verge reported that Live Nation Entertainment—the resulting company of Ticketmaster and Live Nation’s merger in 2010—had invested money in Blink Identity, a new commercial facial recognition company that formerly “spent the last decade building and deploying large scale biometric identification systems in the Middle East for the Department of Defense.”

According to Billboard, Ticketmaster confirmed that “identity-based ticketing has been a core area of investment for Ticketmaster over the past 3+ years.” In a message to investors, which was obtained by The Verge, Live Nation lauded that the tech could be used to “associate your digital ticket with your image,” verifying that the company is considering facial recognition software as an alternative to more traditional methods of ticketing in the future. The company also noted to investors that “We will continue investing in new technologies to further differentiate Ticketmaster from others in the ticketing business.”

Blink Identity claims that it has the ability to correctly identify people in half of a second. If implemented correctly, this would allow event-goers to walk through Blink Identity’s sensors at full speed, with the sensor able to identify and confirm entrance for over 60 people per minute. However, the software could be utilized for more than just ticketing, with Blink Identity’s website explaining that “Once inside, concert goers can use their face — literally — to buy drinks, swag, enter VIP areas, and more.” Per Fast Company, the technology could also be used to heighten security at events, identifying “bad actors” and notifying security for their removal.

While these seem fairly benign and potentially could speed up event entrance, Blink Identity’s website also notes that “It’s also possible to collect usable and sharable data on each person that walks through our biometric entry gateway.” Given increasing privacy concerns, it’s probable that many consumers would be uncomfortable with the collection and sharing of their data unless it’s further explained. This also means that Live Nation venues would be outfitted, at least partially if not entirely, with surveillance equipment to monitor attendees.

Fast Company recently announced that Live Nation and Blink Identity are currently working on a pilot program for facial-recognition software at several Live Nation venues in addition to the e-ticketing system, Ticketmaster Presence. The company claims that the program will “give Ticketmaster access to a much deeper level of information about ticket buyers and ticket users than they have now, including understanding who is in attendance at the event, how they received their tickets, and the ability to communicate with them while they are in the venue.”

However, despite this, Live Nation Entertainment doesn’t seem to have plans to fully implement this technology—or if they do, it’d take a lot of time, resources, and PR finesse. In order for the tech to work, Ticketmaster would need to amass an up-to-date database of all its users’ faces and information, which besides being difficult to complete logistically, would also probably be met with much resistance from concertgoers. Furthermore, the effectiveness of the facial recognition software still needs to be vetted, and if it is as effective as claimed, venues would need to purchase and install equipment and train their staff.

If the technology was used to replace tickets, as it seems might be one of the ultimate goals for its use, it’s debatable whether or not the software would actually speed up entry into venues anyway. Given the rise of terrorist attacks at concerts and evergrowing concerns about safety, it seems unlikely that the software would erase the need for physical body searches or single-file metal detectors for entry into venues.

Over-thinking.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/madison-square-garden-uses-facial-130255480.html

NEW YORK — Over Thanksgiving weekend, Kelly Conlon, 44, a personal injury lawyer from Bergen County, New Jersey, was chaperoning her 9-year-old daughter’s Girl Scout troop on a trip into Manhattan to see the “Christmas Spectacular” at Radio City Music Hall.

Before she could even glimpse the Rockettes, however, security guards pulled Conlon aside and her New York jaunt took an Orwellian turn.

“They told me that they knew I was Kelly Conlon and that I was an attorney,” she said this week. “They knew the name of my law firm.”

The guards had identified her using a facial recognition system. They showed her a sheet saying she was on an “attorney exclusion list” created this year by MSG Entertainment, which is controlled by the Dolan family. The company owns Radio City and some of New York’s other famous performance spaces, including the Beacon Theater and Madison Square Garden, where basketball’s New York Knicks and hockey’s New York Rangers play.

Stop giving live nation your money 

but you can't 

can you?

Facial recognition at shows will never happen in Portland, as a couple of years ago we passed a policy to ban its use by public and private entities!

It would be good to see a follow-up story of the one listed above -- that one is from 2018.

"excuse me sir, but your facial recognition scan confirmed that you do not own this hoodie on the floor, please move to the back of the venue"

I got put in the system at the Manchester, England airport.

No big criminal capers for me, I guess.

I have to wonder if this technology works if your face has been stolen or melted off.

I was coming back from somewhere this year and when I got back to the States and walked up to immigration, they didn't even look at my passport.  Just asked me to look at the camera and they let me in.