Cop shoots woman in traffic pursuit
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Just saw this. While it's almost 2 hours away, I do consider it to kinda be in my "backyard" as I often pass through the Hotchkiss area.
I just can't see any justification for the shooting. In fact, I think this sort of thing begs the question re: how we're quickly approaching a point where the question should be asked if we really need traffic cops if all vehicles are now being equipped with what amounts to a "black box". With the advent of driver-assisted technology and GPS, all traffic violations can be recorded in real time & theoretically uploaded to some sort of enforcement entity if there are any major transgressions or a crapload of smaller ones over a short period of time. The fundamental question is whether traffic violations ought to serve as a window or phishing expedition into other aspects of the life of an individual?
Body camera footage, starting just before incident:
https://youtu.be/bsZkwfq43Ig?t=158
News story:
https://www.gjsentinel.com/news/western_colorado/family-responds-to-repo...
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
fuck the police.
fuck the police.
And it's not a fundamental question at all, really. It's quite elementary. Of course the answer is no.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Sorry. FOM, the driver was a
Sorry. FOM, the driver was a public threat and danger. No plates, then a 100+mph chase on public streets. Then drove at the cop. I'm not saying the person deserved to be killed, but they made this situation far worse than it needed to be. Cops are people to, and deserve to go home and have dinner with their kids, ya know.
Actions > Consequences
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Wow, there's a lot to unpack
Wow, there's a lot to unpack on this one.
Let's put aside the question of high speed car chases and get right to the moment. The driver was purposefully trying to ran into the cop, who then fired 8 shots. In doing so, he probably saved his own life.The questions are, at what point does a cop get to use lethal force to protect themselves or others, and was this one of those times?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Yes, there was a public
Yes, there was a public threat and danger, but the suspect's car apparently had flat tires at the very end, and looked to be trying to pass through the two parked vehicles vs. "driving at the cop". Of course, cops deserve to go home and have dinner with their kids, but do you really believe his life was literally on the line in such a way as to require shots to be fired?
The driver was purposefully trying to ran into the cop, who then fired 8 shots. In doing so, he probably saved his own life.<<<
I don't know that the original intent was to purposely trying to ram into the cop vs. trying to thread the needle in order to get past what effectively amounted to a roadblock. In any case, yeah, the driver didn't stop or avoid the cop ... so there's a certain amount of intent there. However, the cop basically gets out and stands in front of the oncoming vehicle; yet almost simultaneously he pivots back and out of the way. The cop clearly had a plan to minimize his actual exposure to danger. It's on this latter count - combined with the possible fact that the vehicle already had flat tires - that it wasn't necessary to for shots to be fired.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
The cop was doing his job,
The cop was doing his job, and puts his life in danger every day. They don't know who's in that car, or what their intentions are. They were trying to protect the public by stopping the vehicle from doing any more damage to innocent people. You know the driver had every opportunity to just pull over and get cited (or arrested peacefully) without being in any danger. If you want justice, or your day in court instead of being shot, there's easy ways to insure that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
Cops 1 - Knuckleheads 0
Cops 1 - Knuckleheads 0
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
Don't expect much outrage
Don't expect much outrage over this young lady's demise.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
>>>>>They don't know who's in
>>>>>They don't know who's in that car, or what their intentions are
So the solution is to shoot them? It looks from the video that the car had safely passed the cop when he opened fire, killing the lady. It also looks like a pretty rural area and don't see why they just couldn't have continued the chase or otherwise keep an eye on the vehicle until it stopped. Fact is that cops are quick to use deadly force in this country and we need to reimagine public safety.
Right now, there is a sketchy dude hanging out in his car in my office parking lot. He is apparently looking for another attorney in this office and has already been told by that lawyer's assistant that he is out for the week and can't help him. I keep checking on him and he won't leave, but really don't want to call the cops because I am afraid they might shoot him and am now just kind of waiting for him to leave. Wish there was somebody else to call to help people experiencing a mental health crisis (which I suspect this person is having) and won't end up with the cops simply pulling up and killing the guy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
Sounds like a job for Mr.
Sounds like a job for Mr. Wolf.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
The cop should be allowed to
The cop should be allowed to kill as many people are in the vicinity of the killer. Throw grenades. Launch missiles. They're all in on it like the Hamastinians.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk
Yes trying to pry the horse
Yes trying to pry the horse power from Americans vehicles will be as hard as gun control has been
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
I offered her my hand,
I offered her my hand,
She took me by the arm.
I knew that very instant,
She meant to do me harm.
Bob Dylan As I Went Out One Morning
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
Nice edit.
Nice edit.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind
It looks to me like the cop
It looks to me like the cop got jammed up and really unloaded on her. "Pierce was struck three times: once in the head, which was instantly fatal, and twice in the neck."
Sweater vest Thom might have been onto something, if not for the right reasons. Western Civilization, or the US's part of it at least, has really gone to hell.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk
She made him an offer
She made him an offer
and he honored her offer
and it was on her and off her all night
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
The cop was doing his job,
The cop was doing his job, and puts his life in danger every day. They don't know who's in that car, or what their intentions are. They were trying to protect the public by stopping the vehicle from doing any more damage to innocent people. You know the driver had every opportunity to just pull over and get cited (or arrested peacefully) without being in any danger. If you want justice, or your day in court instead of being shot, there's easy ways to insure that. <<<<
What Ken said AND ...
I'm not arguing the driver didn't have the opportunity to pull over (and agree she should have), but the vehicle apparently had flat tires and likely could've been contained without the loss of life and relatively minimal risk to the officers and the public at large. It's not as if this sort of encounter isn't in their routine "playbook" of something they practice dealing with; as evidenced by the use of the "stop sticks".
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>> So the solution is to
>> So the solution is to shoot them? <<
I never said that. All I said was she increased her likelihood of something bad happening by taking them on a high speed chase. No, no one deserves to die because they violated a traffic law or registration etc.
>> cops are quick to use deadly force in this country and we need to reimagine public safety. <<
Agreed
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Right now, there is a sketchy
Right now, there is a sketchy dude hanging out in his car in my office parking lot. He is apparently looking for another attorney in this office and has already been told by that lawyer's assistant that he is out for the week and can't help him. I keep checking on him and he won't leave, but really don't want to call the cops because I am afraid they might shoot him and am now just kind of waiting for him to leave. Wish there was somebody else to call to help people experiencing a mental health crisis (which I suspect this person is having) and won't end up with the cops simply pulling up and killing the guy<<<<
Hopefully, he's moved on by now. Yeah, it can be a roll of the dice with the cops dealing with mental health issues and I don't blame you for not wanting to set things in motion that might not turn out well.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Faye Dunaway
she had to be white
she had to be white
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Faye Dunaway
ken is he black?
ken is he black?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
or is he just a little bit
or is he just a little bit swarthy?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
He moved on. Skinny white
He moved on. Skinny white dude acting all sketchy. Cops in this town have killed a couple people this year during "welfare checks."
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Faye Dunaway
#colored
#colored
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hello My Name Is
Do you have to shoot until
Do you have to shoot until dead in the face x 10?
A couple of warning shots and a glancing shot, at somebody who is not shooting you back, will probably do the trick.
This "shoot to kill" police training is an issue.
They are not enemy combatants. They are people in "your" town. Chill out and de-escalate when possible, right?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
She made him an offer
She made him an offerShe offered her honor
and he honored her offer
and it was on her and off her all night
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
Many cops appear to think
Many cops appear to think
that disobeying an order from a cop
is a death penalty offense.
without a trial.
I treat cops like heavily armed sociopaths: I am VERY polite.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>A couple of warning shots
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
There's more to the above