The Defund The Police movement has stigmatized, paralyzed and shrunk many police departments nationwide, and is particulary noticeable here in the PNW. Seattle feels pretty close to anarchy right now. I have come to appreciate first hand the Public Enemy song 911 Is A Joke. In the past couple of months I have had to call 911 twice.
Once was when a crazy methed out homeless dude was ranting psychotically outside my shop, intimidating a customer of mine who had dropped off a music collection for me to look at from being able to enter my store. He called 911, then after he came in and told me what was up, I helped him take his empty boxes back out to his car, and he pointed out where the dude had placed a knife in the window sill at the top of our staircase. I then called 911. They sent no one.
The next instance was a few weeks back, when I was woken up in my 3rd floor apartment at 2:30 a.m. from the sound of another crazy dude who was banging a very large rock against a trashcan over half a block away. I went out and calmly asked him what was going on, and if he wouldn't mind stopping with the banging, as I was sure I wasn't the only one having trouble sleeping with all the noise. He kept it up, so I called 911. The cops never came. He kept banging away until 4 a.m.
Re-thinking policing isn't a bad idea, but eliminating policing is.
It was loud enough to wake me from deep sleep at 3 a.m. It went on for an hour and a half. I asked the guy to stop. He didn't. I suppose I could have just taken the rock from him. It was pretty big, over a foot in circumference. I didn't feel like risking getting smashed with the rock, or being accused of assaulting the guy. Lacking a Mental Health Crisis Unit (my city has talked about having these, but not implemented them), the police are the agency to call to handle this. While waiting to see if they'd show up, two police SUV's drove by the intersection. Their emergency lights weren't on, so presumably they weren't responding to another report.
Are you suggesting that people should take the law in their own hands? That is a horrible idea, and would only result in more of the incidents like what's playing out with Kyle Rittenhouse, or the vigilantes who shot the dude out for a jog in Georgia.
The other instance I described, where no police responded despite a customer calling them saying they felt too threatened to enter, and then I called again to say that knives had been found and still got no response, made me feel despondent. Reminded me of a talk I had with an old friend when I lived in Eureka, California. He ran a tailoring shop there, and had moved up from Los Angeles. I asked him why he had moved, and he said that soon after the Rodney King riots, he realized he was driving around with an unregistered gun under his driver's seat because he felt so threatened. He realized he didn't want to live in fear, and didn't want to drive around armed with a gun, so he moved and got rid of the gun.
Aiq and Lance, I was responding to the question of what's going on in Portland, and comparing it to the feeling of lawlessness that is rising in my city. We have deficient policing right now, it's as simple as that.
Tried the earplugs. They didn't mask the noise. Maybe I need better than garden variety earplugs. My concern then, is that if a fire alarm went off in my building, I might sleep through it. Am I supposed to risk getting incinerated because some numbskull doesn't understand that you shouldn't be banging a boulder on a metal trashcan for an hour and a half in the middle of the night.?
Crime and the unhoused are a real problem and telling people they just have to deal with it is all well and good, but the people who vote are tired of it and they will vote for the Republican fascists who will promise to make it go away. The problem I see with the left on this whole issue is that they want to pretend it’s 1990, but we are way past that and every month it just keeps getting worse. There is no way that Democrats will stay in power if they don’t start taking this on.
I thought 911 was for use in an emergency. People using knives to menace other people might fit, guy banging on a trash can with a (big) rock probably doesn't.
Seattle needs a CAHOOTS response system, as do all cities. That's what the money being shifted from some police services needs to be used for and more and more places are beginning to establish something like CAHOOTS.
If you're not familiar with CAHOOTS, use this link. It may inspire you to follow up with the powers that be in Seattle (and anywhere else).
It's actually based on the Eugene model, but so far its limited to one neighborhood. It would be great to see it expanded city wide. No need to for an armed cop to show up for many of the reports involving people experiencing a mental health crisis and it often just makes matters worse.
One thing that gets me is the sheer amount of trash generated by the homeless encampments. I guess the city tried putting dumpsters near the camps, but housed people would reportedly come by and fill them with old couches and shit they didn't want to take to the dump. There has to be some better solution.
And Portland cops have been notorious no shows over the past year. I guess they didn't feel they were getting enough respect, so they stopped responding to non-emergency calls as sort of a protest. Thing is you don't need armed cops for the vast majority of non-emergency calls and don't see why the can't have unarmed employees take reports, etc. I have an elderly client who has a property that is overrun by squatters. One of the head squatters has a warrant out for her arrest. Called the non-emergency number, let them know, and the dude was "I will tell the officers in the neighborhood." Nothing happened.
If my memory serves me right, when I called about the rock banging incident, I called the non-emergency police line, not 911. I was put on hold for a very long time, but finally got through to a dispatcher. She said they would send someone to check it out. They never did.
So much for the Defund The Police movement, the most stuuuupid movement ever.
"Many Portlanders no longer feel safe,” Mayor Ted Wheeler said. “And it is our duty, as leaders of this city, to take action and deliver better results within our crisis response system.”
Herbal Dave on Tuesday, November 16, 2021 – 04:14 pm
If my memory serves me right, when I called about the rock banging incident, I called the non-emergency police line, not 911. I was put on hold for a very long time, but finally got through to a dispatcher. She said they would send someone to check it out. They never did.
You need to re-read your 1st post in this thread.
So if you can not remember which number you called, we are expected to take your word that "no one showed up"?
You would be hilarious on a witness stand.
:::
and i agree with judit. guy banging on a trash can, no matter how annoying, does not warrant a 911 call.(unless on your personal property)
It's not a trial. so no need for you to act like the judge, jury and executioner. If you're that obsessed with it, I'm sure you could contact the Seattle Police department, who will back up that I called the non-emergency number for this incident. Your second suggestion is just plain ridiculous. Psychotic individuals with poor communication skills aren't a good fit for retail establishments.
I don't drink coffee or smoke. Just try to make it through the day recycling music and film media for my community. It's easier to do this when I get a good night's rest.
You should try going back to stirring paints instead of stirring shit..
>>>Portland among US cities adding funds to police departments<<<
Correct
Except the hidden salami here is that PPB's *own* resource analysis study over the last six years has determined that "Increases in officer staffing does not predict a decrease in crime; there is no correlation between crime levels in Portland and officer staffing levels"
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That really sucks. He's a
That really sucks. He's a cool cat and surely doesn't deserve this nonsense. I hate thieves.
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Awful news for Grisman, wow!
Awful news for Grisman, wow!
What the hell is going on in Portland w/ all the shootings and robberies?!
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The Defund The Police
The Defund The Police movement has stigmatized, paralyzed and shrunk many police departments nationwide, and is particulary noticeable here in the PNW. Seattle feels pretty close to anarchy right now. I have come to appreciate first hand the Public Enemy song 911 Is A Joke. In the past couple of months I have had to call 911 twice.
Once was when a crazy methed out homeless dude was ranting psychotically outside my shop, intimidating a customer of mine who had dropped off a music collection for me to look at from being able to enter my store. He called 911, then after he came in and told me what was up, I helped him take his empty boxes back out to his car, and he pointed out where the dude had placed a knife in the window sill at the top of our staircase. I then called 911. They sent no one.
The next instance was a few weeks back, when I was woken up in my 3rd floor apartment at 2:30 a.m. from the sound of another crazy dude who was banging a very large rock against a trashcan over half a block away. I went out and calmly asked him what was going on, and if he wouldn't mind stopping with the banging, as I was sure I wasn't the only one having trouble sleeping with all the noise. He kept it up, so I called 911. The cops never came. He kept banging away until 4 a.m.
Re-thinking policing isn't a bad idea, but eliminating policing is.
It's like a jungle out there.
Sorry to hear about Dawg's loss.
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Damn, hope he gets everything
Damn, hope he gets everything back.
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A similar thing just happened
A similar thing just happened to Howe Gelb in Antwerp.
Are they eliminating the police in Belgium too?
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Derek Trucks Band had their
Derek Trucks Band had their entire truck, all gear, stolen.
I'm sure it was BLM fault.
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Didn't the Grateful Dead have
Didn't the Grateful Dead have their equipment truck cleaned out in France?
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Banging a trash can a half a
Banging a trash can a half a block away.
This requires an armed response?
Haha wow
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It was loud enough to wake me
It was loud enough to wake me from deep sleep at 3 a.m. It went on for an hour and a half. I asked the guy to stop. He didn't. I suppose I could have just taken the rock from him. It was pretty big, over a foot in circumference. I didn't feel like risking getting smashed with the rock, or being accused of assaulting the guy. Lacking a Mental Health Crisis Unit (my city has talked about having these, but not implemented them), the police are the agency to call to handle this. While waiting to see if they'd show up, two police SUV's drove by the intersection. Their emergency lights weren't on, so presumably they weren't responding to another report.
Are you suggesting that people should take the law in their own hands? That is a horrible idea, and would only result in more of the incidents like what's playing out with Kyle Rittenhouse, or the vigilantes who shot the dude out for a jog in Georgia.
The other instance I described, where no police responded despite a customer calling them saying they felt too threatened to enter, and then I called again to say that knives had been found and still got no response, made me feel despondent. Reminded me of a talk I had with an old friend when I lived in Eureka, California. He ran a tailoring shop there, and had moved up from Los Angeles. I asked him why he had moved, and he said that soon after the Rodney King riots, he realized he was driving around with an unregistered gun under his driver's seat because he felt so threatened. He realized he didn't want to live in fear, and didn't want to drive around armed with a gun, so he moved and got rid of the gun.
Aiq and Lance, I was responding to the question of what's going on in Portland, and comparing it to the feeling of lawlessness that is rising in my city. We have deficient policing right now, it's as simple as that.
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>>Are you suggesting that
>>Are you suggesting that people should take the law in their own hands?<<
No, just I'm saying maybe consider some earplugs and some rainforest noise on the bose
or perhaps consider moving out of the city if city noises are just too loud and scary at night?
the police really aren't your concierge
FWIW Grisman was the victim of a larceny, not a robbery.
now sports...
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Tried the earplugs. They
Tried the earplugs. They didn't mask the noise. Maybe I need better than garden variety earplugs. My concern then, is that if a fire alarm went off in my building, I might sleep through it. Am I supposed to risk getting incinerated because some numbskull doesn't understand that you shouldn't be banging a boulder on a metal trashcan for an hour and a half in the middle of the night.?
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LOL
now you're dying in an imaginary fire too?
Good thing nobody is arguing to defund the F.D.
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Garden Hose might work. Urine
Garden Hose might work. Urine filled water balloons, perhaps.
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Challenge him to a push up
Challenge him to a push up contest?
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Crime and the unhoused are a
Crime and the unhoused are a real problem and telling people they just have to deal with it is all well and good, but the people who vote are tired of it and they will vote for the Republican fascists who will promise to make it go away. The problem I see with the left on this whole issue is that they want to pretend it’s 1990, but we are way past that and every month it just keeps getting worse. There is no way that Democrats will stay in power if they don’t start taking this on.
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I thought 911 was for use in
I thought 911 was for use in an emergency. People using knives to menace other people might fit, guy banging on a trash can with a (big) rock probably doesn't.
Seattle needs a CAHOOTS response system, as do all cities. That's what the money being shifted from some police services needs to be used for and more and more places are beginning to establish something like CAHOOTS.
If you're not familiar with CAHOOTS, use this link. It may inspire you to follow up with the powers that be in Seattle (and anywhere else).
https://whitebirdclinic.org/what-is-cahoots/
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Like sand through the
Like sand through the hourglass
These are the days of our lives
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They are just starting up
They are just starting up something similar to that CAHOOTS program here in Portland:
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/portland-street-response-team-men...
It's actually based on the Eugene model, but so far its limited to one neighborhood. It would be great to see it expanded city wide. No need to for an armed cop to show up for many of the reports involving people experiencing a mental health crisis and it often just makes matters worse.
One thing that gets me is the sheer amount of trash generated by the homeless encampments. I guess the city tried putting dumpsters near the camps, but housed people would reportedly come by and fill them with old couches and shit they didn't want to take to the dump. There has to be some better solution.
And Portland cops have been notorious no shows over the past year. I guess they didn't feel they were getting enough respect, so they stopped responding to non-emergency calls as sort of a protest. Thing is you don't need armed cops for the vast majority of non-emergency calls and don't see why the can't have unarmed employees take reports, etc. I have an elderly client who has a property that is overrun by squatters. One of the head squatters has a warrant out for her arrest. Called the non-emergency number, let them know, and the dude was "I will tell the officers in the neighborhood." Nothing happened.
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If my memory serves me right,
If my memory serves me right, when I called about the rock banging incident, I called the non-emergency police line, not 911. I was put on hold for a very long time, but finally got through to a dispatcher. She said they would send someone to check it out. They never did.
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"Many Portlanders no longer
So much for the Defund The Police movement, the most stuuuupid movement ever.
"Many Portlanders no longer feel safe,” Mayor Ted Wheeler said. “And it is our duty, as leaders of this city, to take action and deliver better results within our crisis response system.”
Portland among US cities adding funds to police departments
https://apnews.com/article/business-police-oregon-george-floyd-race-and-...
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You need to re-read your 1st post in this thread.
So if you can not remember which number you called, we are expected to take your word that "no one showed up"?
You would be hilarious on a witness stand.
:::
and i agree with judit. guy banging on a trash can, no matter how annoying, does not warrant a 911 call.(unless on your personal property)
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oh and maybe offer him a part
oh and maybe offer him a part-time job at the shop
sounds like the guy likes to keep busy, be the better person !
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It's not a trial. so no need
It's not a trial. so no need for you to act like the judge, jury and executioner. If you're that obsessed with it, I'm sure you could contact the Seattle Police department, who will back up that I called the non-emergency number for this incident. Your second suggestion is just plain ridiculous. Psychotic individuals with poor communication skills aren't a good fit for retail establishments.
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thanks for the update dr.
thanks for the update dr. dave
maybe you can teach him to alphabetize
: and i never brought you to trial, i just think your lack of "memory" on events is funny...thats all
grab a coffee, smoke a butt, rant about everyone else. sounds like a fun life
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I don't drink coffee or smoke
I don't drink coffee or smoke. Just try to make it through the day recycling music and film media for my community. It's easier to do this when I get a good night's rest.
You should try going back to stirring paints instead of stirring shit..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
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Horrible hi-jack sorry
Horrible hi-jack
sorry
Oh and i retired off of my paint work, it was 1 of the perks. thanks for tip though
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>>>Portland among US cities
>>>Portland among US cities adding funds to police departments<<<
Correct
Except the hidden salami here is that PPB's *own* resource analysis study over the last six years has determined that "Increases in officer staffing does not predict a decrease in crime; there is no correlation between crime levels in Portland and officer staffing levels"
The report can be reviewed in full here: https://www.portlandmercury.com/images/blogimages/2021/11/09/1636497606-...
as an aside, (and as you probably are already aware) crime rates are a reflection of police activity, not criminal activity.