Did the Civil War hamstring the inherent value / check on power of "states' rights"?
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By using "states' rights" as a masquerade to perpetuate slavery, did the South inadvertently dilute / minimize the true utility of allowing the federal framework to make inordinate gains in the tug-o-war of balance as it relates to sovereignty?
IOW, instead of the issue of "states rights" being looked upon as an extremely flimsy position (at best) to justify slavery, perhaps it ought to be looked upon as being a far greater bedrock countermeasure to balance federal domination (apart from non-negotiable issues that involve basic core civil rights)?
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The Civil War was the
The Civil War was the ultimate check on states' rights and decided by force of arms many of the questions regarding the extent by which the states must respect the Federal government's authora-tar left open after the Nullification Crisis of 1832.
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I don't think states rights
I don't think states rights really changed until civil rights movement of the 60's. The school desegregation and voters rights act with those use of federal troops to enforce put the cabosh on states rights. Yes the civil war until the end of reconstruction stopped states rights. 1964 was the pivotal year where dems in the south became repubs, but they would love to argue with you about it.
You gotta know your history, most everything in out wonderful nation has something to do with race.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Nice post
Nice post
” vermin infested “
It’s ironic that such a rat himself uses this terminology “I don’t have a racist bone in my body”
Certainly doesn’t have a racist backbone because he doesn’t have a backbone- A result of insane insecurity - the king of deflection
“go home” indeed
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
It's too bad St. Mark isn't
It's too bad St. Mark isn't around to do one of his thread title webinars for you, FOM, this one's a little rough.
As far as State's Rights, it seems that that both the ending of weed prohibition and the imposing of abortion restrictions demonstrate the States flexing their muscles to the Feds.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
The Civil War was the
The Civil War was the ultimate check on states' rights and decided by force of arms many of the questions regarding the extent by which the states must respect the Federal government's authora-tar left open after the Nullification Crisis of 1832<<<
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You gotta know your history, most everything in out wonderful nation has something to do with race<<<<
While both of the above might be true enough, I guess what I'm asking is whether or not the way things played out in our nation's history effectively "tarnished" what might otherwise be looked upon as a key and instrumental component of "tempering" the natural entropy of a federal system to become all encompassing as a top down paradigm? IOW, is it a good thing for there to be an unresolved question about where the ultimate sovereignty resides; and in particular, whether the Civil War effectively pushed this inherent tension a little too far to one extreme? Imagine living in a nation where there is literally zero state or municipal sovereignty ... where decisions are always made at the highest level of federal government and are issued as top down orders to all citizens within the larger nation without any regional / geographical autonomy as to how said edicts are derived.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
As far as State's Rights, it
As far as State's Rights, it seems that that both the ending of weed prohibition and the imposing of abortion restrictions demonstrate the States flexing their muscles to the Feds<<<<
Not suggesting that states have developed muscle atrophy yet, rather raising the question as to whether or not more credence ought to be given to the notion of states rights; in spite of how it was used a blatant shield to perpetuate slavery and Jim Crow laws.
Abortion might be the most nebulous of issues by its very nature, but efforts against prohibition (both alcohol and pot) are great examples of states bringing down what might be a "house of cards of federal overreach" via chain reaction among the states.