Do the Dems have a Biden alternative?

Nope, and I dont think they want one... it's not in the program...which I believe will usher Trump right back in ...Totally Greek Theater 

The only ones claiming there is an alternative plan are the sky screaming foxies

I swore I wouldn't throw my hat in the ring, but I might have to reconsider given the current state of affairs.

Nope, and I dont think they want one... it's not in the program...which I believe will usher Trump right back in ...Totally Greek Theater. Tragedy

Newsome is the only name I've heard mentioned, but he would rather run in 28 after a successful Biden term or a disastrous Trump term.

That is, of course, if there are any more elections after a Trump term.

Any of the dems that ran last time, and Newsome...    

They need Trump to hold the bag when they buy up all the cheap stock when the market crashes during the next administration.  It's obvious that they want trump in power.   The other thing they aren't talking about is how much money from advertising is created by all the people addicted to reading online news about what/who they think is the problem.   Trump makes his enemies rich!

i'm exhausted already...

Everyone's tainted.  At least i hope so.   :)   

Biden alternatives? Oh sure: Ralph Nader, Jill Stein... 

That's if we want Trump to win.

Let's just pray that all of us and everyone we know and don't know turns out to vote for Joe, because if Trump gets back in, I don't think I need to describe how fucked we are. I get it, Joe's old and all that, whatever. It's all fun and games until the Orangutan walks back into the Oval Office.

I take it you're saying you won't vote for Biden.

I get it, it's a free country as they say. So far it is, anyway. I just hope the ballots are properly counted and that the House of Representatives doesn't overturn any swing states.

Just imagine, if just a few more people had held their noses in 2016 and voted for Hillary. We would be living in a different world. With Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court, and I could go on.
 

Republicans would love to run against anyone but the old white guy.

Biden actually has a pretty damn good track record in this crazy post-Jan 6, post-Covid climate. He's signed some major bills into law, and the economy is holding up way better than anyone expected. I agree the GOP probably doesn't want to run against him.

I just hope and pray Joe wins again. Hopefully he stays in office long enough to replace Clarence Fucking Thomas.

All I ask is, if you really don't care that much about Trump winning and you plan to vote Green or something, I hope you live in New York or California. 

Trump WILL NOT Set Foot In The Whitehouse EVER AGAIN !!

He's not dropping out. And he's not going to be replaced. 

I mean.... okay.... if we just want to play the hypothetical game, then if Joe Biden was not able to run this year, I imagine the Dems would have already chosen Gavin Newsome.

But again, that's not what's happening. What's happening is Biden vs Trump. 

Hopefully, women will get out and vote for their health rights and make the difference this year.

It's going to be hard to find someone untainted, unless they comb the records for soneone who suffered a serious medical mishap. ;)

no and nobody wants her

it breaks my heart he's all we've got, and we must vote for him

because, ya know: autocratic alternative

>>Trump WILL NOT Set Foot In The Whitehouse EVER AGAIN !!

did you also say he'll never win in 2016?

Too bad that Al Franken got Me Tooed.  It would have been fun to see him take on Trump.

AOC will probably make a run evenutually, but not this cycle.

Given the general resistance to Vice President Harris, if Biden keels over or has to drop out for other reasons, the Democrats would be in a bind.  Instead of just throwing someone like Newsom into the fire, they might put up someone like Jay Inslee, who it won't really matter if he loses and has his reputation tarnished.

One thing's for certain,  if Trump wins the Calm app and website will burst into flames from all of the instantaneous traffic.  

I think we got a pretty solid shot at Trump 47. In fact at this point I'd be surprised(pleasantly)if it isn't 

^ lol

He beat him before handily 

Womens health care on the ballot

Economy is in great shape

91 indictments pending on Trump 

Gen z and independents know what's at stake

Trump hasn't gained more support, if anything he's lost more than gained

Joe Biden is old, people think he pulls all the strings, he and he alone. lol

He's got very competent people advising and it's working

stop clutching the pearls and breathe, main stream media needs the horse race

just get out and do the right and vote for democracy

or

you'll crown your orange king

I'm not advocating for it, just calling out what I see. I don't think keeping him off the ballot is a good idea, let him lose fair n square 

lots of folks are extra anti joe anymore for supporting a genocide

^ not as much as you would think

not enough to move the needle

but certain outlets would have you think that

>>>>i'm exhausted already...

This

>>>economy is holding up way better than anyone expected

and wait until some well time rate cuts.  

>>>Dems would have already chosen Gavin Newsome.

Gavin's ex and Trump Jr's current makes for some good reality TV potential 

>>>AOC will probably make a run evenutually

Maybe will run but doesn't have a shot at winning.   

>lots of folks are extra anti joe anymore for supporting a genocide<

Those idiots will especially enjoy Trump’s fascist theocracy.

AOC can't serve as president.  She is too young.

I thought the whole plan was to have Biden serve a single term before passing the torch.  But I just don't see him stepping down voluntarily at this point.

whose whole plan ken?

I mean, I've seen some redneck bumper stickers out in BumFuck:

"I'm Non-Bidenary. Trump 2024."

These fuckheads need to be voted down en masse. Decisively and monolithically. Give 'em the Blues. 

When Biden ran in 2019 he called himself a "bridge," or something like that. It was generally accepted that he intended on only 1 term.

The swing issue for 18-34 year y/o is the Israel/Hamas War. Biden's support in that demo has dropped and Trump's has risen substantially. There's a  very good chance that if they do vote, they'll swing the election for Trump. Maybe it's myopia, ignorance, or a bit of both, but if they don't like Biden's support of Israel they're going to be hella surprised at Trump's. With the blessing of his evangelical messianic throngs he'll happily support whatever the Jesus freaks tell him needs to happen to usher in the rapture.

>. Maybe it's myopia, ignorance, or a bit of both, but if they don't like Biden's support of Israel they're going to be hella surprised at Trump's.<

Throw in some arrogant self-righteousness too

It's all distractions between now and Oct/Nov. People will basically decide that they either want Trump or they don't. 

Republicans genuinely want their base to believe that it will be Michelle Obama or Kamala Harris. These women scare their base. Old white Joe? Not so much.

There are no alternatives to be considered or even spoken of, in either party

we're on a collision course

>> It was generally accepted that he intended on only 1 term.

lol

Dems been gaining seats 

Lotta people understand the big picture going on with the war and the horse race.

just hope people take trump at his word, internment camps and some really good stuff for the future

just vote like it could be your last, it just might

BIDEN

It's what's for dinner.

Shut up and eat.

jus sayin'

BIDEN

It's what's for dinner.

Shut up and eat.

Exactly ^ 

And fuck the complainers. 

I mean, I don't think it helps to shame people into voting for Biden. Just take a few moments and think about the alternative, that's all. And there is only one alternative: DJT. 

BrianK, that's what i'm saying

Pride that's exactly my only argument: the old man or the autocrat

And I don't know how so many assholes in Kentucky can vote for Rand Paul to remain in the Senate. But I would love to smack each and every one of them upside the head.

That's just a personal opinion, you understand.

Like usual, it'll be about getting out the vote...   T's cult is what it is, and Biden doesn't exactly motivate the troops the way Obama or Bill Clinton did...

(and as a pacifist, is it ok to approve Rand Pauls neighbor beating him up that one time?) 

> i don't think it helps to shame people into voting for Biden<

I'm not trying to shame people into voting for Biden. I genuinely believe these people to be idiots. And it angers me that their stupidity affects my life, and jeopardizes my children's future. 

> as a pacifist, is it ok to approve Rand Pauls neighbor beating him up that one time?

As a pacifist, I think it would be okay to beat up Rand Paul more than one time.

Trump is the Dem's biden "alternative". There's loads of fundraising money to be made off of mango mussolini.  That said if biden craps himself to death today Gavin Newsom is ready to jump in and shove KH aside.

 >> There's loads of fundraising money to be made off of mango mussolini <<
 

yep, that's what candidate's do

only difference, diaper don's fundraising money goes to his lawyers for his 91 indictments

where biden's goes to campaign shit 

Best case scenario is that they both have strokes or something and drop out ASAP. I think Biden has been pretty good, but Christ, step aside!

^I disagree. I think the Republicans win if it's anyone other than Biden v Trump. Then we a the same fascism, just with a different leader.

^^^^That is not outside the realm of possibility.

Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear would be a decent replacement if Biden keels over.   Middle of the road Democrat from a southern state and only 46-years-old.

Agree lumber

Precisely why it's a collision course 

not going to waste time thinking about alternatives when they don't exist.  Today's race in NY is important to watch.  If the Dems can't win this one, there will be big problems come November  

bernie seems more mentally cognizant than the other two.

half this country done lost their god damned minds.

putin and xi are pleased...

Yeah really both candidates are truly horrible. There's plenty of people in the democratic party I'd rather see running for the next term who I think would do a considerably better job than biden, and be more electable against trumpo since biden lost traction with young voters over Palestine (not to mention the Muslim community and it's allies) and student loan forgiveness didn't go far enough for many. If trump bails, then I'm sure the GOP would manage to come up with someone more effectively evil in a pinch. If biden bails, newsom steps in...I wouldn't endorse newsom, he's not my top pick, but he'd destroy trump in the election. imo no dem candidate is picking up any temporarily embarrassed republicans they don't already have in their corner simply by being "not trump" so it's time for the party to actually lean far enough left that they differentiate themselves from the GOP in a meaningful way.

nice AI edit (smiley face)

Melissa McCarthy or Samuel L. Jackson.  I believe both are untainted, and either of those two alternatives would get my vote.  Morgan Freeman would be a great candidate too.

I really don't know if Newsom would "destroy Trump" in an election, at least not in THIS election coming up in less than 9 months when Newsom has not done any campaigning.

It's Biden vs Trump. We can fantasize otherwise all we want, and I guess this is the place to do that, instead of at the actual ballot box. We might as well have fun in here speculating about all kinds of other options until the cows come home. But when it's time to vote, it's time to vote, like your life depends on it. The two major parties are NOT the same. Anyone who says they are is either an idiot who doesn't remember Ralph Nader, or a Russian bot. 

Where's the RESET button?

>The two major parties are NOT the same. Anyone who says they are is either an idiot who doesn't remember Ralph Nader, or a Russian bot. <

Or they don't remember Jill "Russian asset" Stein. Or they haven't been paying attention as Republican legislators pass discriminatory legislation, ban books, and criminalize women's health care.

 Biden cannot force a leder of a Sovereign nation to bend to his will. 

The parallels are obvious. 

We should all listen to AOC

https://www.threads.net/@bidenharrishq/post/C3VUTQwPg3g

Absolutely ^
 

Sure beats the Kremlin Kookaid some are drinking again 

***

Isokelekel was a leader who was real man of the people

As a military man, he led his people to conquer pohnpei in the 1600's

As a ruler he was gentle and fair, and was revered among his people including the elites

One day he saw his own reflection in a puddle and realized that he was growing old and no longer fit to lead so he killed himself

Isokelekel bent a palm tree over, and while holding the top down with all his might, also fastened a rope from the treetop to his penis

Isokelekel let the tree fly like a catapult, castrating him until he bled to death 

trump of course would need a far smaller rope than the one Isokelekel used

Isokelekel seems just a little unhinged.  

There are good ways to be remembered then there is Isokelekel 

Isokelekel's tale of sacrifice makes drifting away on a chunk of ice seem desireable.  ((((((((((  perspective  )))))))))))

Interesting opinion write up in NY Times from Ross Douthat.

The Question Is Not if Biden Should Step Aside. It’s How.

OPINION   ROSS DOUTHAT

Joe Biden should not be running for re-election. That much was obvious well before the special prosecutor’s comments on the president’s memory lapses inspired a burst of age-related angst. And Democrats who are furious at the prosecutor have to sense that it will become only more obvious as we move deeper into an actual campaign.

What is less obvious is how Biden should get out of it.

Note that I did not say that Biden should not be the president. You can make a case that as obvious as his decline has been, whatever equilibrium his White House has worked out has thus far delivered results largely indistinguishable from (and sometimes better than) what one would expect from a replacement-level Democratic president.

If there has been a really big age effect in his presidency so far, I suspect it lies in the emboldenment of America’s rivals, a sense that a decrepit American chief executive is less to be feared than a more vigorous one. But suspicion isn’t proof, and when I look at how the Biden administration has actually handled its various foreign crises, I can imagine more disastrous outcomes from a more swaggering sort of president.

Saying that things have worked out OK throughout this stage of Biden’s decline, though, is very different from betting that they can continue working out OK for almost five long further years. And saying that Biden is capable of occupying the presidency for the next 11 months is quite different from saying that he’s capable of spending those months effectively campaigning for the right to occupy it again.

The impression the president gives in public is not senility so much as extreme frailty, like a lightbulb that still burns so long as you keep it on a dimmer. But to strain the simile a bit, the entire issue in a re-election campaign is not whether your filaments shed light; it’s whether voters should take this one opportunity to change out the bulb. Every flicker is evidence that a change is necessary, and if you force Biden into a normal campaign-season role, frequent flickering (if not a burning out) is what you’re going to get.

Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume that Biden senses this, that he isn’t just entombed in egomania, but he feels trapped by his own terrible vice-presidential choice. If he drops out and anoints Kamala Harris, she’s even more likely to lose to Donald Trump. But if he drops out and doesn’t endorse his own number two, he’d be opening himself to a narrative of identitarian betrayal — aging white president knifes first woman-of-color veep — and setting his party up for months of bloodletting and betrayal, a constant churn of personal and ideological drama.

There is no easy escape from these dilemmas. But the best approach available to Biden is a distinctively old-fashioned one. He should accept the necessity of drama and bloodletting but also condense it all into the format that was originally designed for handling intraparty competition: the Democratic National Convention.

That would mean not dropping out today or tomorrow or any day when party primaries are still proceeding. Instead Biden would continue accumulating pledged delegates, continue touting the improving economic numbers, continue attacking Donald Trump — until August and the convention, when he would shock the world by announcing his withdrawal from the race, decline to issue any endorsement, and invite the convention delegates to choose his replacement.
 

Pain would follow. But so would excitement and spectacle, the things that Biden himself seems too old to deliver. Meanwhile, any agony would be much briefer than in a long primary battle between Harris and Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer. The proximity of the general election would create stronger incentives for Harris or any other disappointed losers to accept a behind-the-scenes proffer and fall in line if the convention battle doesn’t go their way. And the format would encourage the party as institution, not the party as mass electorate, to do a party’s traditional job and choose the ticket with the most national appeal.

Would Trump and Republicans have a field day attacking Democratic insiders for pulling a fast one on the public? Sure, but if the chosen ticket was more popular and competent seeming, less shadowed by obvious old age, the number of relieved voters would surely outstrip the number of resentful ones.

This plan also has the advantage of being discardable if I’m completely wrong, Biden is actually vigorous on the campaign trail, and he’s ahead of Trump by five points by the time August rolls around. Like my past suggestion that Joe Manchin should run as a third-party candidate provisionally (also still a good idea!) to see how the Trump-Biden race shapes up, contemplating a convention bow-out gives Biden a way to be responsive to events — sticking it out if he really sees no other options, but keeping a path open for his country to escape a choice that right now seems like divine chastisement.

I'm not sure I agree with Ross, but IMHO his ideas are at least worth considering.

why would sleepy old ass joe step down

he's facing this guy

nobody, right or wrong wouldn't just pummel the dude

IMO its far to late, and regardless of  who the candidate is, if biden steps aside it will be a PR disaster that the dems will NOT recover from and trump will win. there might be more electable candidates than biden, but thats in the context of a normal race, not a last minute drop out.

that being said, biden should have announced he'd be stepping aside last year, if not earlier. it should have been a given, from the get go, that he would not be seeking reelection due to his age and his obvious mental decline.

the democratic nominees in 2016, 2020, and again in 2024 are an embarassment to america and an embarassment to the human race.

^ what do you want biden to do policy wise that hasn't lived up to your expectations?

because of choices made in 2016, here we are

Get Harris to step down soon for "personal reasons".

Pick a "suitable" replacement.

Win the election.

After a "suitable period", Joe steps down for health reasons.

Simple. 

Those new Trump kicks look like someone was huffing gold paint and got it all over their shoes.

^ those kicks

surf, doesn't it look weak and play right into maga colorization if Kamala gets cast aside?
 

If we don't get this right, we can't push the motherfuckers (dems, repugs, Indy's and the "broflakes") forward to work for ALL of us

this isn't 2016 and I get people not seeing the larger picture then
 

The thing is, as much as people rag on Biden's age and all that, he's actually gotten a lot of things done.

It's Biden vs Trump, and I feel fine about our chances.

^ nice

here's another from the guy that's making people melt without slaying them with an AR-15

Not a fake

imagine bernie, jill, or marianne right now, if sleepy af, falling down all the time, add whatever etc...joe 

handled this thing that governs most of our lives

still anybody but joe?
 

it sucks, but elections have consequences 

At some point Biden is gonna have to campaign. If he is actually vigorous on the campaign trail, and he’s ahead of Trump by the time August rolls around, it's all good. My question is what if Joe looks & sounds old and feeble on the campaign trail?

>> IMO its far to late, and regardless of  who the candidate is, if biden steps aside it will be a PR disaster that the dems will NOT recover from and trump will win. 

If Biden 'appears' to be in poor shape, the Don 'might' just be able to win, anyways. Just a guess but I don't think anyone out here wants that.  Yes it 'might' be a 'PR disaster' if Joe steps down pre convention (like in August). That said, if it looks like he won't be able to campaign effectively, that would not be good. If that happens and Biden steps down without supporting anyone, think of how interesting the D convention would be.  Because of the drama /uncertainty, this convention would be something people would pay attention to. Ok not as much as the Super Bowl, but people would watch. This would allow other candidates to display their political skills in a pressure situation. Which is (I think) what Ross is saying. 
Again I am also not convinced this would be in the democrats (or countries) best interest.  But if the majority of Americans want neither Joe or the Don, then this approach might be worth considering . Maybe. 
 

> The thing is, as much as people rag on Biden's age and all that, he's actually gotten a lot of things done.  
    It's Biden vs Trump, and I feel fine about our chances. 

I agree that Joe has accomplished a lot (which unfortunately he is not being given credit for). Repeating myself; what if Joe sounds and looks weak on the campaign trail?  Is Ross's approach worthy of consideration ?  

Republicans are afraid of Biden and want him replaced.

It's Biden or a fascist who will dismantle our democratic republic.

Read project 2025.  

omfg they both suck donkey balls

How hard is it for the Democratic party really to find a candidate who isn't an out of touch geriatric warhawk? Never saw a 'liberal' go full out for genocide before, but yeah trump would do the same thing. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of biden. 

^You're the same idiot Sanders supporter who gloated over Trump beating Clinton. Tried to mock me because "my candidate " lost. 

No, Biden and Trump will not do the same thing.

And neither are the leader of Israel. 

Like I wrote,  you idiots will especially enjoy Trump’s fascist theocracy. 

Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best President, With Trump Last

A new poll of historians coming out on Presidents’ Day weekend ranks Mr. Biden as the 14th-best president in American history, just ahead of Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan and Ulysses S. Grant. While that may not get Mr. Biden a spot on Mount Rushmore, it certainly puts him well ahead of Mr. Trump, who places dead last as the worst president ever.

Indeed, Mr. Biden may owe his place in the top third in part to Mr. Trump. Although he has claims to a historical legacy by managing the end of the Covid pandemic; rebuilding the nation’s roads, bridges and other infrastructure; and leading an international coalition against Russian aggression, Mr. Biden’s signature accomplishment, according to the historians, was evicting Mr. Trump from the Oval Office.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/18/us/politics/biden-trump-presidential-...

OCLT brought up a good point...

if you want to know the plan for their fascist take over or think it's all bullshit blah blah

leonard leo is behind this

They literally have a playbook, click the playbook tab at the top of the page

Building now for a conservative victory through policy, personnel, and training.

It is not enough for conservatives to win elections. If we are going to rescue the country from the grip of the radical Left, we need both a governing agenda and the right people in place, ready to carry this agenda out on Day One of the next conservative Administration. 

This is the goal of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. The project will build on four pillars that will, collectively, pave the way for an effective conservative Administration.

https://www.project2025.org/

^^^^Gross^^^^

here's some more

Project 2025 Reaches 75 Coalition Partners, Continues to Grow in Preparation for Next Conservative President
 

WASHINGTON—In a historic moment for the conservative movement, The Heritage Foundation announced today its 2025 Presidential Transition Project has reached 75 coalition partners.  

Conservative organizations from across the country have come together to make up Project 2025’s Advisory Board, which is focused on recruiting personnel and preparing comprehensive policy recommendations to ensure the next conservative presidential administration is prepared for success on day one. 

https://www.heritage.org/press/project-2025-reaches-75-coalition-partner...

SCOTUS is already in place

^^^^Poll Ranks Biden as 14th-Best President, With Trump Last
 

nothing says winning more than finishing behind the guy who was only president for 30 days...

^ what do you want biden to do policy wise that hasn't lived up to your expectations?

NOT BE FUCKING 80

^age is not a policy.  

Pennsylvania is going to suck. 

^ that was May of '23

Trump will fuck the Christian's just like he fucks everyone else

trump would be beholden to the bigger issue

doesn't matter what HE thinks, even tho it seems he's the one in charge

None of this matters if enough people just vote against Trump in November. It's very simple. Vote Biden. Seriously. 

I plan to, but not without echoing Garcia's line that choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

Yes but the lesser of two evils is still way less evil, and you can't live in a first world country and not participate in evil, but you can help to make sure these assholes don't get anywhere near a position of power. 

 >>>>>choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

True enough, but since nothing is all evil or all good, and goodness and evilness exist on a continuum, the less evil is also the most good.

We have an average centrist verus an insane, stupid, (more) evil fascist.

Even if you don't like Biden much, if he wins we get a chance to vote for someone better next time around.

If Trump wins we may not get that chance.

The quality of Statesmanship is sorely lacking in today's political landscape.  Instead of seeking our common ground while acknowledging there will always be differing points of view, divisiveness is sown and exploited for personal political capital.  Wedge politics drive people further apart, and obstruct meaningful dialogue and progressive solutions to societal problems.  
 

Donald Trump is a buffoon at best, and a criminal at worst, who shouldn't be leading a company, much less a nation.  Joe Biden, while having experience as a beaureaucrat, has not inspired me as a unifier with a vision to make a better future.  The inability of the Republican and Democratic parties to develop better candidates is an indictment against both.  
 

Rep. Ogles said we should kill all of Hamas not all Palestinians and he could not be more correct.  

While it's clear Ogles first singles out Hamas, video shows that his follow-up statement about paying the piper broadened the discussion to more generally include Palestinians.

"I think we should kill them all if that makes you feel better. Everybody in Hamas...Hamas and Palestinians have been attacking Israel for 20 years, and it's time to pay the piper."

https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1760094441199559041

>>>The inability of the Republican and Democratic parties to develop better candidates is an indictment against both.  

I think it is more an indictment of Americans who want perfect roads and no taxes. Americans have shown time and time again that they will reward politicians who lie to them. Combine that with the fact that most Americans don't have the slightest idea about how government works. Republicans in Congress and through the courts have successfully blocked so much of the Democratic agenda and have then been successful in blaming the Democrats for not following through on campaign promises and Americans eat it up. 

Only 32 percent of Americans able to correctly name all 3 branches of government and 33 percent of Americans do not know any branches. 

.

Jack Posobiec Hails 'End of Democracy' at CPAC

"Welcome to the end of democracy," Posobiec said, also referring to the Capitol riots. "We are here to overthrow it completely. We didn't get all the way there on January 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this right here

Posobiec then held up his fist, and added: "All glory is not to government. All glory to God." 

https://www.newsweek.com/jack-posobiec-end-democracy-cpac-1872694

the alternative to biden is trump. chose wisely 

The alternative to Biden  is Trump/Putin 

start phone banking voters in swing states. repeating the above in the wholefoods checkout line is not going to sway others...

trump is gonna get rolled with or without you

this isn't 2016, you either no what's at stake or you choose to pretend it doesn't matter

pretty fuckin' simple

tod. i live in a non-contested state. my vote, literally does not count. i know this is hard for many of you.

i wish i shared your enthusiasm he will get rolled. i hope so. either way, it will be getting really ugly.

definitely isn't gonna be a pillow fight

i don't understand why somebody wouldn't want to vote for democracy vs fascism just on its face

i'm voting for democracy and the future of my kids and their kids kids

if you had a chance to vote against hitler, would you?

personally i couldn't live with sitting this out, it's history and it really does matter

regardless of the fucked up electoral college bullshit

im hopeful for a brighter future, but if we don't get this shit right

we won't be able to fight another day

personally regardless of the outcome, I'll vote for the continuation of democracy and that's all I can do and I feel good about it

sure. i plugged my nose and voted for old joe last time and will again.  i added +1 for an anti-fascist moral vote sure...i wish it meant something more...

now tell this to nev, penn, ga, and whatever other state that is not clearly blue or red...

he looked like he could barely get up air force one yesterday.... how's that gonna be in 3-4 years? 

the dnc has as much culpability in our current predicament as fox news.

fox news is actively promoting fascism 

the dnc is not

biden is not a king, he actually has advisors that have been pretty damn good

and one of the youngest and most progressive administrations in modern history

but people want to focus on age, not what he and his administration have done, so weird

>>> how's that gonna be in 3-4 years?

I completely agree with this and could care less. He just needs to make it to election day and preferably Jan 6 25, but I'll take election day. Once that is done he can fall over and die for all I care. 

Also could care less about whether people will see Harris as legitimate if Joe dies, because we all know they would see Jesus Christ as illegitimate at this point. You can't please people who have opinions about what boots M&M's should wear. 

I hope our landlord votes for the right people. 

<<he looked like he could barely get up air force one yesterday.... how's that gonna be in 3-4 years? >>

FDR was paralyzed and in a wheelchair.  He served four terms and won WW2.  who cares if Biden needs help up the stairs?  

>>I hope our landlord votes for the right people.

I'm sorry that you live in 1870 Alabama, where you have to be a landowner to vote. On the upside, 2024 Alabama isn't much better and you're not missing out on progress.

FDR was paralyzed and in a wheelchair.  He served four terms and won WW2.  who cares if Biden needs help up the stairs? 

Roosevelt, a chain-smoker throughout his adult life,[312][313] had been in declining health since at least 1940. In March 1944, shortly after his 62nd birthday, he underwent testing at Bethesda Hospital and was found to have hypertension, atherosclerosis, coronary artery disease causing angina pectoris, and congestive heart failure.[314][315][316]

Hospital physicians and two outside specialists ordered Roosevelt to rest. His personal physician, Admiral Ross McIntire, created a daily schedule that banned business guests for lunch and incorporated two hours of rest daily. During the 1944 re-election campaign, McIntire denied several times that Roosevelt's health was poor; on October 12, for example, he announced that "The President's health is perfectly OK. There are absolutely no organic difficulties at all."[317] Roosevelt realized that his declining health could eventually make it impossible for him to continue as president, and in 1945 he told a confidant that he might resign from the presidency following the end of the war.[318]

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The Republicans nominated Thomas E. Dewey, the governor of New York, who had a reputation as a liberal in his party. They accused the Roosevelt administration of domestic corruption and bureaucratic inefficiency, but Dewey's most effective gambit was to raise discreetly the age issue. He assailed the President as a "tired old man" with "tired old men" in his cabinet, pointedly suggesting that the President's lack of vigor had produced a less than vigorous economic recovery.[133] Roosevelt, as most observers could see from his weight loss and haggard appearance, was a tired man in 1944. But upon entering the campaign in earnest in late September 1944, Roosevelt displayed enough passion to allay most concerns and deflect Republican attacks. With the war still raging, he urged voters not to "change horses in mid-stream."[133] Labor unions, which had grown rapidly in the war, fully supported Roosevelt. Roosevelt and Truman won the 1944 election, defeating Dewey and his running mate John W. Bricker with 53.4% of the popular vote and 432 out of the 531 electoral votes.[320] The president campaigned in favor of a strong United Nations, so his victory symbolized support for the nation's future participation in the international community.[321]

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When Roosevelt returned to the United States from the Yalta Conference, many were shocked to see how old, thin and frail he looked. He spoke while seated in the well of the House, an unprecedented concession to his physical incapacity.[322] During March 1945, he sent strongly worded messages to Stalin accusing him of breaking his Yalta commitments over Poland, Germany, prisoners of war and other issues. When Stalin accused the western Allies of plotting behind his back a separate peace with Hitler, Roosevelt replied: "I cannot avoid a feeling of bitter resentment towards your informers, whoever they are, for such vile misrepresentations of my actions or those of my trusted subordinates."[323] On March 29, 1945, Roosevelt went to the Little White House at Warm Springs, Georgia, to rest before his anticipated appearance at the founding conference of the United Nations.[citation needed]

In the afternoon of April 12, 1945, in Warm Springs, Georgia, while sitting for a portrait by Elizabeth Shoumatoff, Roosevelt said: "I have a terrific headache."[324][325] He then slumped forward in his chair, unconscious, and was carried into his bedroom. The president's attending cardiologist, Howard Bruenn, diagnosed a massive intracerebral hemorrhage.[326] At 3:35 p.m., Roosevelt died at the age of 63.[327]

The following morning, Roosevelt's body was placed in a flag-draped coffin and loaded onto the presidential train for the trip back to Washington.[328] Thousands flocked to the route to pay their respects. After a White House funeral on April 14, Roosevelt was transported by train from Washington to his birthplace at Hyde Park. On April 15 he was buried, per his wish, in the rose garden of his Springwood estate.[329]

Roosevelt's declining physical health had been kept secret from the public. His death was met with shock and grief across the world.[330] Germany surrendered during the 30-day mourning period, but Harry Truman (who had succeeded Roosevelt as president) ordered flags to remain at half-staff; he also dedicated Victory in Europe Day and its celebrations to Roosevelt's memory.[331] World War II ended with the signed surrender of Japan in September.[332]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt

it sounds like he got a lot of the most important stuff done in his first 3 terms, lied to the american people about his health to hold onto power as his health secretly crumbled, and then slumped over dead in office, inspiring the implementation of term limits.

hopefully biden inspires some maximum age limits. way to late to change course now, but the dude is WAY TO OLD, and FDR is not a great example.

i will admit, vivala-agingboomers.com probably is not the ideal venue to make progress on anti biden arguments due to age. probably hits a little to close to home to see the issue clearly.

Lawrence O'Donnel did a 23-minute A-block last week on why calls for Biden to step down are idiotic for several reasons.  

With facts and realities and shit.  With an understanding of election history and political fundraising laws. And, probably, an understanding of the difference between to and too.

SCOTUS is on the ballot, again

They will stop at nothing to change our day to day lives and push the christofascist agenda

Lawrence O'Donnel did a 23-minute A-block last week on why calls for Biden to step down are idiotic for several reasons.  

With facts and realities and shit.  With an understanding of election history and political fundraising laws. And, probably, an understanding of the difference between to and too.

I saw that segment, it was excellent. Unfortunately it overlooks the fact that Trump has turned polotocs into some perverse sort of entertainement. I just hope somebod shoots him.

>> "...Trump has turned polotocs into some perverse sort of entertainement. I just hope somebod shoots him."

I think that the LAST THING this country needs is any political violence whatsoever.  Violence begets violence and DJT getting struck down would only turn up the temperature of the simmering pot where we find our country located today.

But a massive fatal heart attack or stroke while trying desperately to push out 3 Big Macs while sitting on a golden toilet?

Inshallah

Compare.

Pretty funny. From the Hunter Biden hearings:

>>> I plan to, but not without echoing Garcia's line that choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. <<<

Choosing the lesser of two evils while in the context of voting

is actually choosing harm reduction 

get out and vote

Good but long read:

https://www.stonekettle.com/2024/03/no-safety.html?fbclid=IwAR0_BCZG86ae...
 

Get out and vote should be happening at every election, from your local school board all the way up to the president. Yes voting is important, the most important ones are the little ones

After last nights Phil show I sure hope so

Trump breaks silence on Israel's military campaign in Gaza: 'Finish the problem

 Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas, his most definitive position on the conflict since the terror group killed 1,200 Israelis and took more than 200 hostages on Oct. 7.

“You’ve got to finish the problem,” Trump said on Fox News on Tuesday when asked about the war. “You had a horrible invasion that took place that would have never happened if I was president.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-p...