^Justice department policy is not to indict a sitting President...not the Democrats' call, Slack
In order to seek the party’s nomination, a candidate must publicly announce that they are a registered Democrat, will accept the Democratic nomination, and will “run and serve” as a member of the Democratic Party.
The politicians call. They're all cronies. Nobody wants the power of the president if the public can charge and arrest you in real black time for crimes committed.
i’ve shared my opinion on bernie many times on the zone —i certainly dont need to back up why i support bernie, again, to people who think he shouldn’t run b/c he’s not a democrat. y’all are angry, i understand tho, trumps not in jail “yet”....lol
but his grassroots campaign appeals to everyday americans, he’s not bought and paid for like all the corporate dems we have, he appeals to many different voting blocks, liberal and conservative. we saw how he mobilized the base in 2016, people are even
more ready to accept him this run; and when AOC endorses.....
and all the evidence from 2016 that shows he had trump in the bag had the dnc not destroyed the process.
theres a reason hrc lost Pa, Mi, Wi.....bernie wins those states.
and then there are his policies, some that even corporate dems have adopted as mainstream.
now please, post some crazy russian shit linking bernie to all the evils our corporate masters say they stand
Personally, I try to stay away from the zoner politicians around here. Would be fun to watch Bernie fuck some shit up again. Last time around was the most insane election I have ever seen. Would be fun to watch again.
He has every right to run as independent and believe it'd be a great thing if he did; it'd compel the Dem party to have a serious and more transparent public discussion about all aspects of election reform.
Having said that, I hope he'd be willing to pull out of the race near the end if it appears to be a lost cause.
>He has every right to run as independent and believe it'd be a great thing if he did; it'd compel the Dem party to have a serious and more transparent public discussion about all aspects of election reform.
Having said that, I hope he'd be willing to pull out of the race near the end if it appears to be a lost cause.<
Sure he has the right, but it will split the left leaning vote, pulling out near the end will only piss off his supporters and they will likely sit out the election.
How many Supreme court justices will the next president get to appoint?
>>>>OLD white man running for thw white house just what we need, not
Actually, this time around, he is adding some additional diversity to the mix because isn't he now the sole old white guy running in he Democratic primary? And he's a Jew too (albeit a very secular one).
I have been a big fan of Bernie ever since he was the commencement speaker at my graduation at Vermont Law, where he got up on his socialist soapbox and gave what would become his standard stump speech about economic inequality, causing many of the parents in the audience (mine included) to shift uncomfortably in their seats. I was stoked when he ran in 2016 and even temporarily registered as a Democrat just to vote for him in the primary.
Not so excited this time around. He says he is running to "Finish the revolution." But he has already done that by injecting the Democratic party with a heavy duty dose of progressivism. Just look at all the bright, young candidates running who have already embraced Bernie's policies. He would have better served the cause to have stood back this time in a kingmaker type role and let the younger people lead the charge.
Bernie and Ronnie have a lot in common, both are old white men and neither one has had to dirty their hands with manual labor. Me thinks he is going to have a tough time dealing with the dem women in the race.
DNC changes superdelegate rules in presidential nomination process after Bernie Sander's slammed....
Chicago (CNN)Democrats on Saturday voted to chip away at the role party insiders play in choosing the party's presidential nominee in one of the biggest changes to the process in decades.
The move to limit the influence of "superdelegates" at the party's convention ahead of the 2020 presidential primaries ended an emotional and tumultuous two-year effort born out of the divisive 2016 contest between Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who went on to become the Democratic nominee.
In a surprisingly united vote, almost all members of the Democratic National Convention curtailed the ability of the superdelegates to vote on the first ballot for the party's presidential nominee beginning with the next election. The group of about 700 automatic, unpledged party leaders, elected officials and activists previously were able to back whichever candidate for the nomination they chose.
Here's some history and analysis on superdelegates.
The DNC voted to strip superdelegates of their powers. Will it matter for 2020?
September 4, 2018
Just over a week ago, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) voted to radically change the influence “superdelegates” have on their party’s presidential selection process. The superdelegates are unique to the Democratic Party and have long been controversial — but they became especially so in the 2016 primary fight between Sen. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
Why did the DNC decide to change the system? And how will this affect the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries?
I’m not excited about Bernie running. I think the current pool is young and diverse, and representative of all Democratic views, from progressive to centrist. It’s still early, and others will also jump in.
It will be interesting to see if any Republicans decide to run against Trump.
Yeah, I got an email from Judit and Lava telling me that there was just no way that they could continue to watch you ruin the zone and that I was the only hope to bring this place back to life. But don’t sweat it Brian K, you are hardly a prick on a dick in this place so stay in your lane and try not to make this thread too boring. TOD, you may now continue with your copy and pastes. Thanks.
Hey, JR. Do me a favor and kiss my pale white ass. You ain’t got nothing for me. You are nothing more than a putrid and vile load of horse droppings. Give yourself a break and sit this one out playa.
Yawn - Bernie was the only choice against Hillary last time around. This time he will be lucky to poll high enough to be on the stage during the debates. He moved the conversation way to the left, and I will forever be thankful for that, but his time has come and gone.
I’ve voted for Bernie for 30 years, but not for POTUS. I think that he’s too polarizing, and it will be as bad as it is with Trump. There are other candidates that are just as good.
Any VTers or Bernie Bros who can explain why he didn’t vote for the Russian Oligarch sanctions?
I was happy to vote for him in the primary last time. But this time Liz Warren has the lane pretty well covered and she seems more competent, even if they’re about equally charismatic.
Chicago (CNN)Democrats on Saturday voted to chip away at the role party insiders play in choosing the party's presidential nominee<<<<
almost all members of the Democratic National Convention curtailed the ability of the superdelegates to vote on the first ballot for the party's presidential nominee beginning with the next election<<<<
Yet, can't help but wonder if there's a second, third, etc. ballot that superdelegates get to vote?
I think both "sides" are so weary of corruption and institutional bias, and in light of Trump's rise to power as likely being the biggest manipulation of a democratic system the world has ever seen; how is an absolute cleansing of the system not called for?!?
The issue is now moot re: Bernie as an independent, but hopefully his presence will place in this issue on center stage with much light ... ultimately, it's an issue that all Americans on either "side" can identify with. Likewise, a half assed effort is easy to spot. People don't want to be thrown bones anymore, we want a deep cleaning. I guarantee a completely open and transparent effort on this front would peel away independents and perhaps even some Trump supporters who are somehow still "on the fence".
Lots of reading comprehension problems in og’s house. I didn’t compare him to Trump. I said that he’d be as polarizing as Trump. Whether or not he’s a Socialist, he will be painted as one and a huge chunk of the population will see him as the enemy. If you don’t see that, I don’t know what to tell you.
The myopia is astounding. I don’t get why there’s all this gloating, simply because he’s running. He lost the last primary, in an election he never could have won. He knew that going in, and one beef I have is that he bilked millions of people in to giving him money in the belief he could win. I have to believe that his goal was to turn the conversation, which he did. Other than that, he was a lame duck candidate.
Like I’ve said over and over, I’ve voted for the guy for 30 years, and will continue to do so in State elections. I don’t think he’ll be a good president. If that makes me any less woke than any of you Johnny-come-lately Bernie Heads, so be it.
He would do to this country what his wife did to the college she ran....
"Mrs. Sanders left the school in 2011 with a $200,795 severance. In 2016 the college closed because of what it called the “crushing weight of debt” incurred on Mrs. Sanders’s watch. The college had purchased 32 acres of property from the Roman Catholic diocese for $10 million in 2010, though it began the year with less than $1.8 million in net assets.
To obtain the bank loan, Mrs. Sanders signed documents suggesting the college had secured commitments for at least $2.27 million, but it raised only $676,000 from 2010 through 2014. Two donors said their pledges had been overstated in loan paperwork, the news website VTDigger.org reported in 2015."
That's called bank fraud, and she should be in jail for it.
Oh, and by the way....
"Burlington College’s financial disclosures show that between 2009 and 2011 the school paid more than $328,000 to enroll students in a woodworking school run by Carina Driscoll, Mrs. Sanders’s daughter and Mr. Sanders’s stepdaughter. Ms. Moore later described the arrangement as “a sweetheart deal” and told VTDigger.org the woodworking school was “gouging the college.”
Bernie is nothing more than another corrupt apologist for a failed ideological system, a system that murdered tens of millions of innocent people in the 20th century. Trump might be, as the Berne like to say, a pathelogical liar. Bernie is a pathological idiot.
And OG, I don’t watch mainstream talking heads. Funny how people like you and Bryen use that as a cut on people who disagree with them, trying to paint any opposing views as brainwashed. Pretty sad, and shows how little you really understand.
My expectation is the ticket will be a combination of Harris, Booker, Kobluchar. Each one of the is a far more viable candidate then Bernie. He changed the dialogue, he is unelectable and if he really cared about change he would step aside and throw his support behind one of these younger, electable candidates.
In a tweet, Trump has officially anointed Sanders "Crazy Bernie" and wishes him well.
>>>>superdelegates had nothing to do with 2016
One of the biggest issues with the superdelegates (aside from the inherently anti-democratic nature of them) is that they announced their pick right at the start of the primary and were included in the published total delegate tallies. This up front padding of the delegate count gave Hillary a big head start allowing the media to crown her the presumptive nominee right out of the starting gate. Some people just like to be on the winning side and cast their ballots accordingly and by assuming Hillary would be the winner from the beginning, it affected how many voters cast their ballots, especially in the earlier primary contests.
I can't wait for the whining and blaming when he loses this time. You’re starting to sound like Eagles fans!
Have you looked at any of the other candidates? They are not all party faithfuls.
It might serve you well to look past the fairy tale that Bernie is a political outsider. He’s been in Congress for 25+ years and has almost faithfully voted along party lines.
One of the biggest issues with the superdelegates (aside from the inherently anti-democratic nature of them) is that they announced their pick right at the start of the primary and were included in the published total delegate tallies. This up front padding of the delegate count gave Hillary a big head start allowing the media to crown her the presumptive nominee right out of the starting gate. Some people just like to be on the winning side and cast their ballots accordingly and by assuming Hillary would be the winner from the beginning, it affected how many voters cast their ballots, especially in the earlier primary contests. <<<<
i don’t have time to respond in full to you corporate dem talking points, bk.
but you’re regurgitating everything all the mainstream media talking heads have said about bernie forever.
your neoliberals have adopted bernie policy as their own, just to get some progressive votes; the cloak is thin and weak.
bernie makes you question the status quo, and a lot of moderates (lol), like in this thread, aka democratic apologists, jump at the chance to link bernie to russia, says he’s divisive, etc etc.
actially more bernie supporters voted for hrc than hrc supporters voted for obama in 12.
and if age is an issue (that’s a huge issue on this site, correct? lol), and you support nancy pelosi, she’s 2yrs older than bernie.
OG, you’re useless. I’ve been voting Socialist and progressive my whole life. I tend to think that my votes for those people are better served on the local and State level, and that there’s a lot to be said for a moderate Executive. You are just blathering.
The 2 party system is the problem. What we have to do is have candidates like Bernie and Trump not be invited to the party, and have them be the independents they are. Problem is, three’s a crowd, and a vote for one I is a vote away from someone else, yada, yada, yada.
Imagine if, in 2016, the race was:
Cruz - R
Clinton - D
Sanders - I
Trump - I
If there are more than 1 viable Independent candidates, that’s when it becomes interesting.
That said, if you want to do away with the 2 party system, why the fuck would you cast your vote for an Independent that is fully buying into it for political gain?
Looks like your little spanking neutered you. Stop being a wuss and go big, full on aggression. This passive aggressive shit makes you look like a tool.
If you’re going to keep bringing me up and following me, at least do it with panache.
In no way was I being passive aggressive. I asked you to speak about your last firing and your scandal. If you’re still too much of a coward, it’s all good.
>>>>If there are more than 1 viable Independent candidates, that’s when it becomes interesting.
That's what happened in the election of 1860. The Democratic convention ended in a stalemate, resulting in many Democrats splitting off and forming a separate party. This resulted in four major candidates running and allowed the Republicans (considered a third party at the time) to win the presidency.
Bernie has zero chance of winning the Democratic primary with such a wide cast of candidates. He brings nothing to the table policy wise that other candidates don't also promote and he looks like some crazy old guy from New York ranting and raving while drooling on himself.
>>> bernie makes you question the status quo, and a lot of moderates (lol), like in this thread, aka democratic apologists, jump at the chance to link bernie to russia, says he’s divisive, etc etc. <<<
Bots were working to help Sanders and Trump.
Mueller's indictment of the IRA (Internet Research Agency) clearly mentioned that Bernie 2016 benefited from Kremlin information support.
The media has barely looked at or commented on this.
Seems like you’re very upset, Brian. Tell us how you really feel. Obviously, you’ve put yourself through a lot by living this lie for so long. Come on now. Don’t hold back. Tell the zone again about it.
Lol, Brian K. I don’t have to do or say anything. The truth about why you got fired and what you did will eat your sorry ass up inside every day your sad sack of bones walks this planet. Good luck with that.
This Tinpan dude has really come on strong, liberally borrowing from other trolls and generally making a fool of himself. He was very, very upset about that last round of TO’s and bannings, and has lashed out like a little twat.
C’mon, tough guy, go big! This pussy-footing stuff is weak sauce.
Jesus fuck, people, posting about each other is stupid ass shit. Please change your strains.
Viva is here for music, health, politics, sports, cannabis, art, finance, natural world, etc., you know, but not going on about other zoners. If you're here to go after one another, take it somewhere else.
I guess you’d like to shape everyone’s “zone experience” but the truth is it’s just another message board. Not sure what you care about our conversation held on this thread so far. There’s been more offensive and worse threads started recently.
bernie appeals toward liberals and conservatives in terms of healthcare for all and taxing the super rich and making huge corporations pay any (lol) taxes. just to name a few big ticket items that across the spectrum, people want to see change.
It's a rather simple answer. All tax payers pay a lot more in taxes which fund programs like that. I don't know what tax bracket you are in but I would guess either the 12 or 22 percent brackets. One of the countries most lauded for their social programs, Denmark, starts their taxation at 45% and goes upwards.
i think part of our problem is that we have made education and health-care “for-profit” industries. Insurance companies and perhaps even doctors associations I’m sure are 100% against Medicare for all because it’s going to potentially decrease the amount of money they earn. They pay their lobby to talk to and pay politicians off and it will probably never happen.
Why private citizens are happy to have 10/15/20 percent of their weekly take home pay taken from them to pay for their health insurance but they think that Medicare for all is “pie in the Sky” is curious to me. We already pay out the nose.
>>>>Insurance companies and perhaps even doctors associations I’m sure are 100% against Medicare for all because it’s going to potentially decrease the amount of money they earn.
My brother is a doctor (and staunch libertarian) but is actually in favor of a basic level of free public health care. Under that approach, there would still be private health care for people who want to pay for it, but there would be a basic, no frills free health care system similar to the VA or the British National Health, where people would stay in wards not private hospital rooms and would get cataract surgery for only one eye. People who wanted private hospital rooms or more services could still pay for it if they wanted. He also bitches about the insurance industry middleman and how it unnecessarily drives up the cost of health care
It just wasn’t time. A lot of pieces have to be in place and working for that big a paradigm shift to work.
It’s interesting, now that it’s being talked about in national politics, it’s no longer on the local radar. I never hear about it. Maybe with our republican Governor, it’s not even worth bringing up?
you mean that they don't have the military industrial complex to fund?
They didn't have to in the past because the US funded much of their military needs via NATO deployments and cost of equipment. As the US cuts back on those expenditures the EU is now proposing and EU joint armed forces to be funded by the respective countries involved, which can only be funded by raising current taxes in each country, cutting back on social programs, or a combination of the two. Germany is in the forefront of this initiative since they have the most to lose if Russia decided to flex it's muscles. They would also contribute the money and because of that would have the most control of the EU armed forces. Needless to say, many of the other Euro nations remember the last time Germany had the most military muscle in the region and don't seem to be in much of a hurry to make it a reality. It seems that they would rather have the US controlling things rather than Germany.
In today's world, everything effects everything else and all issues are a bit more complex than sound bites make them appear.
If I were backing Bernie at this point, I’d simply take it as a wake up call. The hubris goes only so far. They aren’t polling DNC shills who want the “same old,”, just random samplings. It says something that Biden is ahead.
It’s not about money, but rather perception. This tells me that a lot of people, right or wrong, perceive Biden to be a better candidate.
Out of all the names being thrown out there, Biden is by far the most “old school DNC.” He’s way more likable than Hillary, and very well may give Bernie a run for his money. If he does run, he becomes the nightmare opponent: DNC stalwart who is electable in both the primary and general election.
Bernie will not get the democratic nomination, it will go to one of the other more viable and electable Democratic candidates who will win the election as Trump slides into spending the rest of his life fighting RICO charges from SDNY and criminal charges from other jurisdictions. Kushner too.
> Bernie is the most popular politician in the country. <
I doubt it.....I don't know who is, hence the need for a primary and then an election but I suspect as I said before Bernie running against a full field. His success against Hillary was as much due to Hillary's unpopularity as anything. Bernie did change the political discourse which is good but I doubt he comes out on top. That said, let the race begin and see who the nominee is.
Bernie is the most popular politician in the country!??? Really? You typed that with sincerity?
He won't even win the primary.
I do realize that the Bernie die hards are much smarter than the rest of us but they're somehow not smart enough to understand that he will never be president.
I'm voting for Bernie but it will be a lot harder for him to win this year.
1) His ideas are still sound but after 4 years they don't sound as zingy-fresh to the casual fan. Plus, given that some of the other candidates agree with him on a lot of issues there is less to set him apart. He's the OG, for sure, but does America want vintage or shiny? OG is the best reason to vote for Bernie in my book, but I may not be representative.
2) He absolutely benefited from Russia/Mercers going balls out against his opponent in 2016. Here he has many opponents, so the criticism and shenanigans will be spread out, not laser focussed on one tremendously shitty opponent. I mean shit, Bernie vs. Hillary was about as good vs evil as you get, plus everyone in the world besides the dem party was trying to take out Hillary. Of course that helped Bernie.
3) Age/personality. This is media america. He may have the best ideas but he has one speed, one tone. It was all the rage in 2016, but does it have legs? I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see him debate Trump, but it may be a more difficult sell in a crowded field of dems, some of whom agree with him on many of the issues. Hillary had a terrible personality, the fucking Simpsons cat lady is more lovable. This is the weakest of my arguments as he might be able to pull off gravitas. He and Biden can have a Gravitas Grampa Battle Royale..
Problem for Bernie, Warren, Mayor Pete, etc. is that they are splitting up the progressive vote multiple ways. If the field is not narrowed down considerably by the start of the primary (or at least by Super Tuesday), Biden with just a reliable 30% plurality of "moderate" Democrats can start racking up the primary wins and delegate count and pull ahead of the pack.
That's exactly how Trump got the Republican nomination in 2016. He didn't have a majority of the GOP voters behind him in most of the early primaries, but still had a reliable enough 30% base of supporters that allowed him to win contest after contest against a packed field of contenders until he had built up such a lead that his nomination became inevitable.
No, Biden is a career politician with lots of financial and political support from the old guard of the party and will stay in the race well into the primaries, even if the progressives manage to rally around one candidate.
But I will guarantee this. If you take a shot of liquor each time Biden name drops Barack, you will pull a John Bonham and die.
>>I was happy to vote for him in the primary last time. But this time Liz Warren has the lane pretty well covered and she seems more competent, even if they’re about equally charismatic.
Elizabeth Warren
• Silent on Standing Rock
• Backtracked on single-payer
• Says "I'm a capitalist to my bones"
• Registered Republican until age 47
• Claims Julian Assange is a "bad actor"
• Says we "must hold Assad accountable"
• Voted to increase Trump's military budget
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Is he a Democrat now?
Is he a Democrat again?
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^^^He!s Not and Orange Nazi
^^^He!s Not an Orange Nazi
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^^^He!s Not and Orange Nazi
I think he!s got this.
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That should make Donald happy
That should make Donald happy.
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Drumpf will be in jail though
Drumpf will be in jail though by then
President Pence
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get ready to support the only
get ready to support the only human who can defeat trump.
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>>>>>>Drumpf will be in jail
>>>>>>Drumpf will be in jail though by then
Democrats won't do that while he is in office. They respect the office too much that they'll go soft on Trump's white crimes.
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^Justice department policy is
^Justice department policy is not to indict a sitting President...not the Democrats' call, Slack
In order to seek the party’s nomination, a candidate must publicly announce that they are a registered Democrat, will accept the Democratic nomination, and will “run and serve” as a member of the Democratic Party.
https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-2020-election-n...
Is Sanders now registered Democrat?
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The politicians call. They're
The politicians call. They're all cronies. Nobody wants the power of the president if the public can charge and arrest you in real black time for crimes committed.
Management helping management stay on top.
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>>> get ready to support the
>>> get ready to support the only human who can defeat trump <<<
Dude, you are always spewing this shit, care to back it up?
Like, how's he gonna do it?
He can't run as a Democrat unless he changes parties.
All he can do is be another 3rd party shit stirrer/chaos agent in a 2 party system.
His m.o. is to run as a Democrat in the primary, reject the Democratic nomination in the general election and
run as an Independent.
He acknowledges this approach probably "intimidates people from running"
He's done this in his race for Senate in 2006, 2012, 2018.
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Thod’s having a tough morning
Thod’s having a tough morning.
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guh.....great, Trump round 2.
guh.....great, Trump round 2. Thanks Bernie.
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The democrats are in shambles
The democrats are in shambles......
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>>> Thod’s having a tough
>>> Thod’s having a tough morning. <<<
Nah, I'm good...
Care to back up your claim?
I've yet to see you ever bring anything of substance to your claims/comments, only empty opinions.
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^You take your heart meds
^You take your heart meds this morning, yet?
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>>> ^You take your heart meds
>>> ^You take your heart meds this morning, yet? <<<
C'mon, your schtick is weak kid.
You 2 are besties for 15 years...
Surely you share some of the same political views.
So I'll ask again...
How is Bernie Sanders the only human that can defeat Trump?
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i’ve shared my opinion on
i’ve shared my opinion on bernie many times on the zone —i certainly dont need to back up why i support bernie, again, to people who think he shouldn’t run b/c he’s not a democrat. y’all are angry, i understand tho, trumps not in jail “yet”....lol
but his grassroots campaign appeals to everyday americans, he’s not bought and paid for like all the corporate dems we have, he appeals to many different voting blocks, liberal and conservative. we saw how he mobilized the base in 2016, people are even
more ready to accept him this run; and when AOC endorses.....
and all the evidence from 2016 that shows he had trump in the bag had the dnc not destroyed the process.
theres a reason hrc lost Pa, Mi, Wi.....bernie wins those states.
and then there are his policies, some that even corporate dems have adopted as mainstream.
now please, post some crazy russian shit linking bernie to all the evils our corporate masters say they stand
up against.
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Besties? Lol.
Besties? Lol.
Personally, I try to stay away from the zoner politicians around here. Would be fun to watch Bernie fuck some shit up again. Last time around was the most insane election I have ever seen. Would be fun to watch again.
And don’t act like you didn’t miss me TOD.
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>think he shouldn’t run b/c
>think he shouldn’t run b/c he’s not a democrat. y’all are angry...<
If he runs as an independent trump wins.
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great another OLD white man
great another OLD white man running for thw white house just what we need, not
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He has every right to run as
He has every right to run as independent and believe it'd be a great thing if he did; it'd compel the Dem party to have a serious and more transparent public discussion about all aspects of election reform.
Having said that, I hope he'd be willing to pull out of the race near the end if it appears to be a lost cause.
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>He has every right to run as independent and believe it'd be a great thing if he did; it'd compel the Dem party to have a serious and more transparent public discussion about all aspects of election reform.
Having said that, I hope he'd be willing to pull out of the race near the end if it appears to be a lost cause.<
Sure he has the right, but it will split the left leaning vote, pulling out near the end will only piss off his supporters and they will likely sit out the election.
How many Supreme court justices will the next president get to appoint?
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I'll vote for Bernie, if he
I'll vote for Bernie, if he makes it to the ballot,but then again , I know that politics is like Proffessional Wrestling
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queue thom's socialist quip.
queue thom's socialist quip.
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>>>>>>it'd compel the Dem
>>>>>>it'd compel the Dem party to have a serious and more transparent public discussion about all aspects of election reform.
but sticking with the current system is so much easier
you raise money to show your face and buy stuff
the most popular gets a bank with billions
we get more of the same from all of them
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>>> now please, post some
>>> now please, post some crazy russian shit linking bernie to all the evils our corporate masters say they stand
up against.
So you're cool with Bernie's 2016 campaign manager Tad Devine and his connection to Manafort and Konstantin Kilimnik. Check
You're also cool with the fact he won't show his taxes. Check
Also, the fact that he has real problem with women even in his own campaign. Check
Bernie voted AGAINST sanctions on Russia for interfering in the 2016 election along with one other, Rand Paul. Check
You don't care that angry old white dude is out of touch with the black voters. Check.
I don't give a shit who you vote for, but that's just a small percentage of his baggage.
All those points benefit Trump and to some extent mirrors him.
If Bernie says in his own words, that the current field of Democratic candidates have picked up on his progressive policies
from 2016...
Why do Democrats need Bernie now?
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melt thod, melt.
melt thod, melt.
gonna be a long two years man. damn.
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>>> Having said that, I hope
>>> Having said that, I hope he'd be willing to pull out of the race near the end if it appears to be a lost cause.
If he does...they'll let him remain on the ballot saying "Too Late" and idiots will still vote for him.
Just one of the many ways that Bernie helps Trump get another term.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
>>>>OLD white man running for
>>>>OLD white man running for thw white house just what we need, not
Actually, this time around, he is adding some additional diversity to the mix because isn't he now the sole old white guy running in he Democratic primary? And he's a Jew too (albeit a very secular one).
I have been a big fan of Bernie ever since he was the commencement speaker at my graduation at Vermont Law, where he got up on his socialist soapbox and gave what would become his standard stump speech about economic inequality, causing many of the parents in the audience (mine included) to shift uncomfortably in their seats. I was stoked when he ran in 2016 and even temporarily registered as a Democrat just to vote for him in the primary.
Not so excited this time around. He says he is running to "Finish the revolution." But he has already done that by injecting the Democratic party with a heavy duty dose of progressivism. Just look at all the bright, young candidates running who have already embraced Bernie's policies. He would have better served the cause to have stood back this time in a kingmaker type role and let the younger people lead the charge.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
who are younger progressives
who are younger progressives running for president?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>> melt thod, melt.
>>> melt thod, melt.
You have a hard time distinguishing fact from melt.
Don't ever change. lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
thod facts are like thom
thod facts are like thom facts.
how’s that feel?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: JD
If Bernie I'd on the ballot,
If Bernie I'd on the ballot, he has my vote.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>> thod facts are like thom
>>> thod facts are like thom facts. <<<
Look Kellyanne Conjob, jus shut up.
Vote for your Bernie "bro", Trump's counting on it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^haha. have a nice day man.
^haha. have a nice day, thod.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>> ^haha. have a nice day,
>>> ^haha. have a nice day, thod. <<<
Just because you think I'm hot, doesn't mean we're cool bro.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
#superdelegates
#superdelegates
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Denny
Bernie and Ronnie have a lot
Bernie and Ronnie have a lot in common, both are old white men and neither one has had to dirty their hands with manual labor. Me thinks he is going to have a tough time dealing with the dem women in the race.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>> #superdelegates <<<
>>> #superdelegates <<<
By Adam Levy, CNN
Updated 7:33 PM ET, Sat August 25, 2018
DNC changes superdelegate rules in presidential nomination process after Bernie Sander's slammed....
Chicago (CNN)Democrats on Saturday voted to chip away at the role party insiders play in choosing the party's presidential nominee in one of the biggest changes to the process in decades.
The move to limit the influence of "superdelegates" at the party's convention ahead of the 2020 presidential primaries ended an emotional and tumultuous two-year effort born out of the divisive 2016 contest between Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who went on to become the Democratic nominee.
In a surprisingly united vote, almost all members of the Democratic National Convention curtailed the ability of the superdelegates to vote on the first ballot for the party's presidential nominee beginning with the next election. The group of about 700 automatic, unpledged party leaders, elected officials and activists previously were able to back whichever candidate for the nomination they chose.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/25/politics/democrats-superdelegates-voting-...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
interesting.
interesting.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Here's some history and
Here's some history and analysis on superdelegates.
The DNC voted to strip superdelegates of their powers. Will it matter for 2020?
September 4, 2018
Just over a week ago, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) voted to radically change the influence “superdelegates” have on their party’s presidential selection process. The superdelegates are unique to the Democratic Party and have long been controversial — but they became especially so in the 2016 primary fight between Sen. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.
Why did the DNC decide to change the system? And how will this affect the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/09/04/the-dnc-vo...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Sweet copy and pasting, TOD.
Sweet copy and pasting, TOD.
killin it
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>> Sweet copy and pasting,
>>> Sweet copy and pasting, TOD.
killin it <<<
Facts matter, it's how we can make an informed decision.
Like every time you open your mouth, you in fact, prove you're a dip shit.
Thanks for pointing that out, again.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I’m not excited about Bernie
I’m not excited about Bernie running. I think the current pool is young and diverse, and representative of all Democratic views, from progressive to centrist. It’s still early, and others will also jump in.
It will be interesting to see if any Republicans decide to run against Trump.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
^Not surprising coming from
^Not surprising coming from you.
TODabd Brian k having been steadily running this site into the ground. Keep up the copy and pasting man. You’re doing a great job:
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: More Barn
It will be interesting to see
It will be interesting to see if any Republicans decide to run against Trump.
Weld from MA just opened an exploratory committee, I would think Kaschich from OH will as well
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Thank god you’re here, Tinpan
Thank god you’re here, Tinpan, to rid this place of people like us and to add awesome, new and engaging content.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Yeah, I got an email from
Yeah, I got an email from Judit and Lava telling me that there was just no way that they could continue to watch you ruin the zone and that I was the only hope to bring this place back to life. But don’t sweat it Brian K, you are hardly a prick on a dick in this place so stay in your lane and try not to make this thread too boring. TOD, you may now continue with your copy and pastes. Thanks.
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Keep fighting the good fight.
Keep fighting the good fight. Your originality is refreshing.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
bernie crushing the donations
bernie crushing the donations.
Thod, what’d ya donate?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond
Trump 2020. We're seeing it
Trump 2020. We're seeing it unfold live.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff
Timpane, slow your roll and
Timpane, slow your roll and lay off Brian k. You don't want to start with me, so back off homie. First warning.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
so...our choices for the rest
so...our choices for the rest of known time...are:
1. vote for uber corporate republicans
2. vote for "moderate" corporate democrats.
yeah, this has been working great since the 50's!
why try to do anything about it??
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Hey, JR. Fuck yourself.
Hey, JR. Do me a favor and kiss my pale white ass. You ain’t got nothing for me. You are nothing more than a putrid and vile load of horse droppings. Give yourself a break and sit this one out playa.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
Yawn - Bernie was the only
Yawn - Bernie was the only choice against Hillary last time around. This time he will be lucky to poll high enough to be on the stage during the debates. He moved the conversation way to the left, and I will forever be thankful for that, but his time has come and gone.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>> why try to do anything
>>> why try to do anything about it?? <<<
You don't have to do anything, you can just wait and hope it works out for you and your views.
Most importantly Republicans want you to be right where you are, frustrated.
There's a shit ton of things happening right now, maybe try and get involved locally?
That might help you understand a lil more of what's going on by being part of the pulse...
Just remember you live in CA and your vote don't count, so whatevs. (winky face)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
look, i understand very well
look, i understand very well what's going on. do you?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Yeah, I've also been doing
Yeah, I've also been doing something about it, you?
Look I agree with a lot of what you've said, that shit ain't gonna get done sitting on our hands and hoping something good
comes along.
The way I look at it is, vote Dem. and hold the motherfuckers to their word.
When has there been a bigger chance to do some real shit.
3rd party is spoiler and always helps the republicans.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Oh look, now that Bernie is
Oh look, now that Bernie is in the race, people who have similar, liberal political views are at each other’s throats.
It isn’t Bernie’s fault, but just be aware of it. This is precisely why the Republicans will do well in 2020, and that isn’t what we want, right?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Tho6 is having trouble with
Tho6 is having trouble with election fraud in his home state.
The Democrats need to stop talking about Trump.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
What have you been “trying to
What have you been “trying to do about it”, TOD?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
Thod yells and links russia
Thod yells and links russia to everything. #doing
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
What are you all doing, other
What are you all doing, other than going Bernie Bro? Is that the only “doing” there is?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
>I've also been doing
>I've also been doing something about it, you?<
i go to city council meetings.
vote.
write letters.
what do you do other than linking things here?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
im living and not frothing at
im living and not frothing at the mouth, that’s for sure.
yall gonna need a little more firepower than bernie bro. lol.
bernie has indeed ruffled the feathers, awesome.
donations pouring in.
bernie is for the people.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
oh but "rational" zoners want
oh but "rational" zoners want you to pick the best pants-suited dnc gal or guy...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger
Who are the “bitches” that OP
Who are the “bitches” that OP is referring to in the thread title? I’m confused.
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UM Bernie Will Not Be
UM Bernie Will Not Be President.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lucky Day
>>>>>3rd party is spoiler and
>>>>>3rd party is spoiler and always helps the republicans.
Ross Perot begs to differ.
Go ahead and deflect now that your inaccurate comment was called out.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
This idiot is going to hand
This idiot is going to hand the election to Trump. Fuck Bernie, he's an asshole.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Blame third party in a system
Blame third party in a system that allows third party is to not grow.
It's never the nimbys.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
yeah we should all get in
yeah we should all get in line behind chuck schumer or whatever party hack they tell us to support.
so many democratic party apologists here.
get your prius hov sticker and shut up.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits
Sweet! Thanks OP!
Sweet! Thanks OP!
Y'all gotta decide if you want to vote for a 'real' Democrat or win. I was all for Tulsi in a pinch, but this, this is golden news :)
Saweeeeeeet!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _________
fyi I Like Alot Of Bernies
fyi I Like Alot Of Bernies Stances - I have no Idea Who Will Be Pres 2020
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
>>> democratic party
>>> democratic party apologists
Bernie's a democrat?
https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22bernie+sanders%22%5D%2C%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%7D
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Turtle good for you, that's
Turtle good for you, that's good work.
I do that also along with calling elected officials everyday.
Also March/protest when I can.
The way I read what you said about corporate this and that was you're frustrated.
I offered some ways to deal with it, you might've felt attacked?
I wasn't attacking you.
Then you responded "look, i understand very well what's going on. do you?"
Which I responded the way I did.
I think it's good we can talk and get it out now rather than later.
Still have a lot of time left.
>>> 3rd party spoiler...
Timmy nothing gets past you. lol
I should've said in almost 3 decades.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I’ve voted for Bernie for 30
I’ve voted for Bernie for 30 years, but not for POTUS. I think that he’s too polarizing, and it will be as bad as it is with Trump. There are other candidates that are just as good.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ausonius
If he thinks he got screwed
If he thinks he got screwed by the DNC last time just wait, he hasn't seen anything.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits
Aw Jan...
Aw Jan...
Bernie Bernie Bernie :) :) :)
I love that he has all the right people on this thread pissed off! lmao!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Polarizing...
Polarizing...
Is the goal to have an Executive that pisses people off or one that can govern effectively? We already have the former.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
We had Reagan once. Do we
We had Reagan once. Do we need another?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
We don’t need another old
We don’t need another old white guy running for president....there are younger Dems with similar views that will be better received.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger
Bernie should see if the
Bernie should see if the Kremlin will help him out
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits
BK the zone isn't the whole
BK the zone isn't the whole world :)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
True, Bernie is even more
True, Bernie is even more polarizing in the “whole world.”
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
4 million in 12 hours from
4 million in 12 hours from 150k people.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
Maybe they should concentrate
Maybe they should concentrate on states where they lost that unfair electoral college...like what trump said they should get rid of while running?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
Bernie should see if the
Bernie should see if the Kremlin will help him out <<
Wouldn't be the first time.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
There's an actual plan to get
There's an actual plan to get rid of the electoral college...
Can you be the one that stands up?
Get local
-the socialist
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain
Any VTers or Bernie Bros who
Any VTers or Bernie Bros who can explain why he didn’t vote for the Russian Oligarch sanctions?
I was happy to vote for him in the primary last time. But this time Liz Warren has the lane pretty well covered and she seems more competent, even if they’re about equally charismatic.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Bernie, Warren and Weld
Bernie, Warren and Weld
Nothin' to see here...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
Chicago (CNN)Democrats on
Chicago (CNN)Democrats on Saturday voted to chip away at the role party insiders play in choosing the party's presidential nominee<<<<
almost all members of the Democratic National Convention curtailed the ability of the superdelegates to vote on the first ballot for the party's presidential nominee beginning with the next election<<<<
Yet, can't help but wonder if there's a second, third, etc. ballot that superdelegates get to vote?
I think both "sides" are so weary of corruption and institutional bias, and in light of Trump's rise to power as likely being the biggest manipulation of a democratic system the world has ever seen; how is an absolute cleansing of the system not called for?!?
The issue is now moot re: Bernie as an independent, but hopefully his presence will place in this issue on center stage with much light ... ultimately, it's an issue that all Americans on either "side" can identify with. Likewise, a half assed effort is easy to spot. People don't want to be thrown bones anymore, we want a deep cleaning. I guarantee a completely open and transparent effort on this front would peel away independents and perhaps even some Trump supporters who are somehow still "on the fence".
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
superdelegates had nothing to
superdelegates had nothing to do with 2016.....other than Bernie trying to get the superdelegates to overrule the voters.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
weren’t they trying to
the fact that people think bernie is linked to russia is amazing — trump done fucked your brains up..
anyway, back to reality — weren’t they trying to permanently normalize trade w/ russia in the same sanctions bill?
6million in 24 hours from 225k....blowing away the corporate dems donations.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Fly
its all a huge sucktrain and
its all a huge sucktrain and it will end up in Pencetown in 2020.
Bernie, find a comb and a nice condo.
BIG PICTURE
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
kamala raised 1.5 million in
kamala raised 1.5 million in 24hrs.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Kamala could buy a house with
Kamala could buy a house with that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
bernie brings people together
bernie brings people together, not the other way around.
bk comparing him to trump is classic — lots of main stream media viewing going on in that household.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
nah, slack — wouldn’t be nice
nah, slack — wouldn’t be nice enough, she’d need at least 5mil.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
You gonna vote for the Dem
You gonna vote for the Dem when Bernie isn't the nominee?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Lots of reading comprehension
Lots of reading comprehension problems in og’s house. I didn’t compare him to Trump. I said that he’d be as polarizing as Trump. Whether or not he’s a Socialist, he will be painted as one and a huge chunk of the population will see him as the enemy. If you don’t see that, I don’t know what to tell you.
The myopia is astounding. I don’t get why there’s all this gloating, simply because he’s running. He lost the last primary, in an election he never could have won. He knew that going in, and one beef I have is that he bilked millions of people in to giving him money in the belief he could win. I have to believe that his goal was to turn the conversation, which he did. Other than that, he was a lame duck candidate.
Like I’ve said over and over, I’ve voted for the guy for 30 years, and will continue to do so in State elections. I don’t think he’ll be a good president. If that makes me any less woke than any of you Johnny-come-lately Bernie Heads, so be it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ausonius
He would do to this country
He would do to this country what his wife did to the college she ran....
"Mrs. Sanders left the school in 2011 with a $200,795 severance. In 2016 the college closed because of what it called the “crushing weight of debt” incurred on Mrs. Sanders’s watch. The college had purchased 32 acres of property from the Roman Catholic diocese for $10 million in 2010, though it began the year with less than $1.8 million in net assets.
To obtain the bank loan, Mrs. Sanders signed documents suggesting the college had secured commitments for at least $2.27 million, but it raised only $676,000 from 2010 through 2014. Two donors said their pledges had been overstated in loan paperwork, the news website VTDigger.org reported in 2015."
That's called bank fraud, and she should be in jail for it.
Oh, and by the way....
"Burlington College’s financial disclosures show that between 2009 and 2011 the school paid more than $328,000 to enroll students in a woodworking school run by Carina Driscoll, Mrs. Sanders’s daughter and Mr. Sanders’s stepdaughter. Ms. Moore later described the arrangement as “a sweetheart deal” and told VTDigger.org the woodworking school was “gouging the college.”
https://outline.com/vYSR2P
Bernie is nothing more than another corrupt apologist for a failed ideological system, a system that murdered tens of millions of innocent people in the 20th century. Trump might be, as the Berne like to say, a pathelogical liar. Bernie is a pathological idiot.
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^Abuser.
^^Abuser.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
And OG, I don’t watch
And OG, I don’t watch mainstream talking heads. Funny how people like you and Bryen use that as a cut on people who disagree with them, trying to paint any opposing views as brainwashed. Pretty sad, and shows how little you really understand.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Thom don't worry, Bernie will
Thom don't worry, Bernie will disenfranchise voters when he's officially not the nominee.
He's gonna help your boy Trump, again.
Meanwhile suckers give him millions -smh
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: good at drinking water
>>> Whether or not he’s a
>>> Whether or not he’s a Socialist, he will be painted as one and a huge chunk of the population will see him as the enemy.
e.g.: https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1098034970856181760
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
bk has many issues.
bk has many issues.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Damn, kid, the only response
Damn, kid, the only response you have is that I have issues?
Sad and pitiful...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
who are you democratic party
who are you democratic party loyalists...ahem, apologists going to back?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Whoever we nominate for the
Whoever we nominate for the ticket.
Who are the fence sitters gonna vote for, Trump?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
>>>Who are the fence sitters
>>>Who are the fence sitters gonna vote for, Trump?
No, but you'll still blame us for not cheerleading perpetually.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
My expectation is the ticket
My expectation is the ticket will be a combination of Harris, Booker, Kobluchar. Each one of the is a far more viable candidate then Bernie. He changed the dialogue, he is unelectable and if he really cared about change he would step aside and throw his support behind one of these younger, electable candidates.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
In a tweet, Trump has
In a tweet, Trump has officially anointed Sanders "Crazy Bernie" and wishes him well.
>>>>superdelegates had nothing to do with 2016
One of the biggest issues with the superdelegates (aside from the inherently anti-democratic nature of them) is that they announced their pick right at the start of the primary and were included in the published total delegate tallies. This up front padding of the delegate count gave Hillary a big head start allowing the media to crown her the presumptive nominee right out of the starting gate. Some people just like to be on the winning side and cast their ballots accordingly and by assuming Hillary would be the winner from the beginning, it affected how many voters cast their ballots, especially in the earlier primary contests.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sound and Vision
>>He changed the dialogue, he
>>He changed the dialogue, he is unelectable
Agreed. No chance he wins. America doesn't need another geezer as president.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
If one doesn’t like Bernie
If one doesn’t like Bernie for pres, they are reduced to a DNC loyalist or apologist?
What the hell kind of reasoning is that?
It really is impossible to have any sort of political discussion. If someone disagrees, with good reason, they have problems, are apologists, etc.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
Stop apologizing bk.
Stop apologizing bk.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I can't wait for the whining
I can't wait for the whining and blaming when he loses this time. You’re starting to sound like Eagles fans!
Have you looked at any of the other candidates? They are not all party faithfuls.
It might serve you well to look past the fairy tale that Bernie is a political outsider. He’s been in Congress for 25+ years and has almost faithfully voted along party lines.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 19.5 Degrees
>>>>superdelegates had
>>>>superdelegates had nothing to do with 2016
One of the biggest issues with the superdelegates (aside from the inherently anti-democratic nature of them) is that they announced their pick right at the start of the primary and were included in the published total delegate tallies. This up front padding of the delegate count gave Hillary a big head start allowing the media to crown her the presumptive nominee right out of the starting gate. Some people just like to be on the winning side and cast their ballots accordingly and by assuming Hillary would be the winner from the beginning, it affected how many voters cast their ballots, especially in the earlier primary contests. <<<<
^ this
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
i don’t have time to respond
i don’t have time to respond in full to you corporate dem talking points, bk.
but you’re regurgitating everything all the mainstream media talking heads have said about bernie forever.
your neoliberals have adopted bernie policy as their own, just to get some progressive votes; the cloak is thin and weak.
bernie makes you question the status quo, and a lot of moderates (lol), like in this thread, aka democratic apologists, jump at the chance to link bernie to russia, says he’s divisive, etc etc.
actially more bernie supporters voted for hrc than hrc supporters voted for obama in 12.
and if age is an issue (that’s a huge issue on this site, correct? lol), and you support nancy pelosi, she’s 2yrs older than bernie.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
what do we have to do to get
what do we have to do to get rid of the 2 party system?
bk, i'm not naive nor ignorant regarding his record.
as far as "not party faithfuls"...I dunno what you mean. If they are not, they wouldn't be considered.
look, the dems have nobody to blame except themselves for losing. i mean, they lost to trump. think about it.
and yes, the padding of the electoral delegates did have the effect of crowning her the nominee out of the gates.
i have voted dem for most offices for most of my life.
sick of them picking the most republican candidate they can find.
bernie had the energy and the backing of the people. too bad they couldn't come to grips with that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zzzzzz
>>>America doesn't need
>>>America doesn't need another geezer as president.
Agreed
He's reaching Hillary unlikable status.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^actually the complete
^actually the complete opposite-but don’t let facts get in the way.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
OG, you’re useless. I’ve been
OG, you’re useless. I’ve been voting Socialist and progressive my whole life. I tend to think that my votes for those people are better served on the local and State level, and that there’s a lot to be said for a moderate Executive. You are just blathering.
The 2 party system is the problem. What we have to do is have candidates like Bernie and Trump not be invited to the party, and have them be the independents they are. Problem is, three’s a crowd, and a vote for one I is a vote away from someone else, yada, yada, yada.
Imagine if, in 2016, the race was:
Cruz - R
Clinton - D
Sanders - I
Trump - I
If there are more than 1 viable Independent candidates, that’s when it becomes interesting.
That said, if you want to do away with the 2 party system, why the fuck would you cast your vote for an Independent that is fully buying into it for political gain?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
^Brian K doesn’t even know
^Brian K doesn’t even know who the real OG is on the zone lol. Priceless.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
bernie is running as a
bernie is running as a democrat. lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: JP (J Bomb)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I’m well aware of that, and I
I’m well aware of that, and I don’t think that he should be. He’s an “I”.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Things don’t always work out
Things don’t always work out the way you want them BK.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
^Single handedly saving the
^Single handedly saving the Zone, one high quality and unique post at a time.
I really am in your head.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
What?
What?
Why don’t you spill the beans on your last firing and scandal? Post something worthwhile for a change.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Looks like your little
Looks like your little spanking neutered you. Stop being a wuss and go big, full on aggression. This passive aggressive shit makes you look like a tool.
If you’re going to keep bringing me up and following me, at least do it with panache.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
In no way was I being passive
In no way was I being passive aggressive. I asked you to speak about your last firing and your scandal. If you’re still too much of a coward, it’s all good.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
>>>>If there are more than 1
>>>>If there are more than 1 viable Independent candidates, that’s when it becomes interesting.
That's what happened in the election of 1860. The Democratic convention ended in a stalemate, resulting in many Democrats splitting off and forming a separate party. This resulted in four major candidates running and allowed the Republicans (considered a third party at the time) to win the presidency.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Your story is much more
Your story is much more interesting. Mine has no scandal or firing.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
^Lol, whatever you have to
^Lol, whatever you have to tell yourself guy. Enjoy that mask you wear around, coward.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
Bernie has zero chance of
Bernie has zero chance of winning the Democratic primary with such a wide cast of candidates. He brings nothing to the table policy wise that other candidates don't also promote and he looks like some crazy old guy from New York ranting and raving while drooling on himself.
#unelectable
#getoutofthewayoldman
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
It’s pretty sad that you
It’s pretty sad that you follow an older dude around a website, trying to get under his skin. It’s even sadder that it won’t work.
It perhaps could, but you’d have to cross that line pretty far, and you’re too much of a bitch to do that again.
Poor little neutered boy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>> bernie makes you question
>>> bernie makes you question the status quo, and a lot of moderates (lol), like in this thread, aka democratic apologists, jump at the chance to link bernie to russia, says he’s divisive, etc etc. <<<
Bots were working to help Sanders and Trump.
Mueller's indictment of the IRA (Internet Research Agency) clearly mentioned that Bernie 2016 benefited from Kremlin information support.
The media has barely looked at or commented on this.
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Seems like you’re very upset,
Seems like you’re very upset, Brian. Tell us how you really feel. Obviously, you’ve put yourself through a lot by living this lie for so long. Come on now. Don’t hold back. Tell the zone again about it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
If only you’d saved that
If only you’d saved that thread...
You’d look like a bigger Idiot than you already do.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
>>>>>>The media has barely
>>>>>>The media has barely looked at or commented on this
How come?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Too busy covering the great
Too busy covering the great housing crisis?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Lol, Brian K. I don’t have to
Lol, Brian K. I don’t have to do or say anything. The truth about why you got fired and what you did will eat your sorry ass up inside every day your sad sack of bones walks this planet. Good luck with that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
Funny thing is I know the
Funny thing is I know the whole story and it is not very exciting or what timpane thinks it is
someone with very little info and the internets is growing on the stupid tree out back
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
This Tinpan dude has really
This Tinpan dude has really come on strong, liberally borrowing from other trolls and generally making a fool of himself. He was very, very upset about that last round of TO’s and bannings, and has lashed out like a little twat.
C’mon, tough guy, go big! This pussy-footing stuff is weak sauce.
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>>^Brian K doesn’t even know
>>^Brian K doesn’t even know who the real OG is on the zone lol
He was here during the Kona crisis.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Care to share the story Six.
Care to share the story Six. Since it’s not such a big deal? Or are you just another coward like Bk?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Brian K is a sexual abuser of
Brian K is a sexual abuser of women everybody.
Judit or Lava wants to ban me for saying that then I’m good.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zzzzzz
he who shall not be named
he who shall not be named
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I am really Ryan Adams. Damn,
I am really Ryan Adams. Damn, I’ve been outed.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
^Keeping you away from little
^Keeping you away from little girls is a harder task.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
You’re still going soft.
You’re still going soft. Maybe hit up Reddit to get some hardcore trolling tips?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
^I’m not into hardcore
^I’m not into hardcore searches on Reditt like you.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island
Jesus fuck, people, posting
Jesus fuck, people, posting about each other is stupid ass shit. Please change your strains.
Viva is here for music, health, politics, sports, cannabis, art, finance, natural world, etc., you know, but not going on about other zoners. If you're here to go after one another, take it somewhere else.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sound and Vision
I feel you, Judit. If you
I feel you, Judit. If you want a break I'm here to assist in a junior admin roll.
Judit/Sarah 2020 has a nice ring to it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sound and Vision
(No subject)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
Sweet melty, Judit.
Sweet melty, Judit.
4.5
I guess you’d like to shape everyone’s “zone experience” but the truth is it’s just another message board. Not sure what you care about our conversation held on this thread so far. There’s been more offensive and worse threads started recently.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
I feel bad for the heads who
I feel bad for the heads who thought Timpane was a good guy whose handle was hacked.
No I don't.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger
is there anyone who is
is there anyone who is running who has Bernie’s views but is under 60? I’m an ageist
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GravyTrain
Looking forward to Tim Pane’s
Looking forward to Tim Pane’s threads on fine art, cannabis, finance, and the natural world. There’s a lot of synergy there waiting to be explored.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
I must have missed all the
I must have missed all the classic “fine art” threads on the zone.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Old Fart Message Board
I can’t believe Gravy Stain
I can’t believe Gravy Stain just made me laugh. Good post. Congrats.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Is forgiveness possible?
>>I must have missed all the
>>I must have missed all the classic “fine art” threads on the zone.
No shit. That's painfully obvious.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
at the very least, viva
at the very least, viva should personally thank bernie for running again, i mean come
on.
lava, get on that — bernie is so great, he’s even gonna save viva!
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>>>> bernie is so great, he’s
>>>> bernie is so great, he’s even gonna save viva!
yeah, great. then it'll only cost you $50 every time you post
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^fine-as long as the tax goes
^fine-as long as the tax goes to educating redneck mother fuckers like yourself.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Blue Rose Task Force
Speaking of educating,
Speaking of educating, Motherfucker is one word.
You're Welcome.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
bern!
bern!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
>>>>>>The media has barely
>>>>>>The media has barely looked at or commented on this
How come? <<<
Real talk?
It will all come out about the angry old white dude with Russia etc...
The media needs their horse race.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Why did you feel the need to
Why did you feel the need to give that question a second answer?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
First one was snark, but you
First one was snark, but you know that.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
You felt like a dick
You felt like a dick yesterday. Today you feel different?
It doesn't work that way. You're like Isis bride. You can't pretend to be different now.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Look derpshit, everyone knows
Look derpshit, everyone knows the Sea Lion doesn't seek answers, it just wants to arf. Smh
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
i am going to darkstar
i am going to darkstar orchestra friday.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
What year range are you
What year range are you hoping for? I always pull for late 80s, so I can get a Brent tune or two in.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
i like 68-74 personally but
i like 68-74 personally but early or late 80's is fine. i also like brent.
it's at the hob shithole but oh well.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sigmund
Bernie slaying it on CNN town
Bernie slaying it on CNN town hall style.
crackle Crackle
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Without a net
Welcome back, you good?
Welcome back, you good?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sigmund
Cheetoe is toast
Cheeto is toast
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Pipe Slingin'
LOL @ anyone who thinks
LOL @ anyone who thinks change can happen by voting for the same people over & over - Capitalists.
BOTH parties serve money.
Vote Socialist Party USA if you want real change - the rest is same ol', same ol' ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
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Fuck yeah dude
Fuck yeah dude
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
bernie raises 10mil in less
bernie raises 10mil in less than a week:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/25/us/politics/bernie-sanders-10-million...
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Preach it Reverend.
Preach it Reverend.
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(No subject)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>Vote Socialist Party USA if
>Vote Socialist Party USA if you want real change - the rest is same ol', same ol' ad infinitum, ad nauseum<
All the Democrats are the same as Trump?
Sure, that makes sense.
>Vote Socialist Party <
So four more years of Trump?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Four years of investigations
Four years of investigations and billions in democrat fundraising and you think he's going to get another 60 million votes and beat your party again?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
try not to get in the way,
try not to get in the way, you moderate dems, neoliberals, republican lite, you feinstein loving motherfuckers lol.
dont worry, bernie is looking out for you too.
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^Trump wins if the Socialist
^Trump wins if the Socialist party candidate does well.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
gonna be a long two years for
gonna be a long two years for you lumber-bernie is running as a democrat, you may be better suited voting republican? good luck.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Where do you think a
Where do you think a socialist party candidate will do well enough to win?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
^nowhere, slack, simply
^nowhere, slack, simply responding to Rednecks call to vote Socialist.
Pyramid, I'll vote for Sanders if he wins the nomination.
I voted for him in NJ's Democratic primary last go round.
The Supreme court is the prize in a presidential election, too bad many on the left fail to understand this.
If the Democrats nominate a centrist, will you vote for him/her, Pyramid?
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yes, lumber.
yes, lumber.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
oh well, maybe someday we can
oh well, maybe someday we can vote different.
meanwhile, keep eroding our civil liberties, and transferring what's left of our nation's wealth to the 1%.
maybe next year.
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NONE of current democrats has
NONE of current democrats has a chance in hell of winning, sorry to say. Get ready for Trump 2.0.
Pie in the sky programs like free college, medicare for all, slavery reparations do not cut it. Bread and butter issues are where it's at.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Is housing a bread and butter
Is housing a bread and butter issue?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
bernie appeals toward
bernie appeals toward liberals and conservatives in terms of healthcare for all and taxing the super rich and making huge corporations pay any (lol) taxes. just to name a few big ticket items that across the spectrum, people want to see change.
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>Pie in the sky programs like
>Pie in the sky programs like free college, medicare for all<
funny.
how does the rest of the western world do it?
they have more money?
please enlighten me.
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how does the rest of the
It's a rather simple answer. All tax payers pay a lot more in taxes which fund programs like that. I don't know what tax bracket you are in but I would guess either the 12 or 22 percent brackets. One of the countries most lauded for their social programs, Denmark, starts their taxation at 45% and goes upwards.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger
>>>how does the rest of the
>>>how does the rest of the western world do it?
i think part of our problem is that we have made education and health-care “for-profit” industries. Insurance companies and perhaps even doctors associations I’m sure are 100% against Medicare for all because it’s going to potentially decrease the amount of money they earn. They pay their lobby to talk to and pay politicians off and it will probably never happen.
Why private citizens are happy to have 10/15/20 percent of their weekly take home pay taken from them to pay for their health insurance but they think that Medicare for all is “pie in the Sky” is curious to me. We already pay out the nose.
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>It's a rather simple answer.
>It's a rather simple answer.<
you mean that they don't have the military industrial complex to fund?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
>>>>Insurance companies and
>>>>Insurance companies and perhaps even doctors associations I’m sure are 100% against Medicare for all because it’s going to potentially decrease the amount of money they earn.
My brother is a doctor (and staunch libertarian) but is actually in favor of a basic level of free public health care. Under that approach, there would still be private health care for people who want to pay for it, but there would be a basic, no frills free health care system similar to the VA or the British National Health, where people would stay in wards not private hospital rooms and would get cataract surgery for only one eye. People who wanted private hospital rooms or more services could still pay for it if they wanted. He also bitches about the insurance industry middleman and how it unnecessarily drives up the cost of health care
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bucky Badger
thanks that makes sense Ken
thanks that makes sense Ken
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Richard Cranium
Public healthcare failed in
Public healthcare failed in Bernie's home state. Let's start there.......
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
It didn’t fail. It was never
It didn’t fail. It was never started.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Richard Cranium
My bad. Why didn't it start?
My bad. Why didn't it start? Please explain.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
you think it was b/c of
you think it was b/c of bernie? lol.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Because it probably would
Because it probably would have failed.
It just wasn’t time. A lot of pieces have to be in place and working for that big a paradigm shift to work.
It’s interesting, now that it’s being talked about in national politics, it’s no longer on the local radar. I never hear about it. Maybe with our republican Governor, it’s not even worth bringing up?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
For profit:
For profit:
Prisons
Health care
... how's it going for us?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
you mean that they don't have
They didn't have to in the past because the US funded much of their military needs via NATO deployments and cost of equipment. As the US cuts back on those expenditures the EU is now proposing and EU joint armed forces to be funded by the respective countries involved, which can only be funded by raising current taxes in each country, cutting back on social programs, or a combination of the two. Germany is in the forefront of this initiative since they have the most to lose if Russia decided to flex it's muscles. They would also contribute the money and because of that would have the most control of the EU armed forces. Needless to say, many of the other Euro nations remember the last time Germany had the most military muscle in the region and don't seem to be in much of a hurry to make it a reality. It seems that they would rather have the US controlling things rather than Germany.
In today's world, everything effects everything else and all issues are a bit more complex than sound bites make them appear.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
for the people trashing
for the people trashing bernie-what have you got to say about the stunning amount of donations he’s received?
people are stoked to have somebody represent—corporate dems should be scared. he’s the early front runner for sure.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: thinthread
new email addresses = former
new email addresses = former college students that were previous 2016 donors & had to use new email addresses since they're no longer in school?
sadler is spot on
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Pretty much every poll has
Pretty much every poll has Biden ahead, and he hasn’t even thrown his hat in the ring.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democrat...
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how much has biden raised?
how much has biden raised?
also, biden becoming the dnc pick ensures trump 4 more years; it’d be catastrophic if they push through biden. i am
sure they’ll take the risk tho.
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thanks tony and sure i agree
thanks tony and sure i agree with that.
so, we have been subsidizing western europe's protection...but how much of that is necessary?
we also subsidize the complex and all it's corporations.
war is big $$
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
https://www.bloomberg.com
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-02-22/the-independent-gr...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
If I were backing Bernie at
If I were backing Bernie at this point, I’d simply take it as a wake up call. The hubris goes only so far. They aren’t polling DNC shills who want the “same old,”, just random samplings. It says something that Biden is ahead.
It’s not about money, but rather perception. This tells me that a lot of people, right or wrong, perceive Biden to be a better candidate.
How does Bernie overcome that?
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why didn't they pick biden
why didn't they pick biden last time?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Who is they?
Who is they?
Biden didn’t run in 2016.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
don't be so difficult.
don't be so difficult.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
Biden's son died and he wasn
Biden's son died and he wasn't in the right frame of mind last time. Saw him on his book tour last year and it was clear he regrets that decision.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
I’m not. The questions I’m
I’m not. The questions I’m asking are generic, and can be aimed at any candidate in the same position as Bernie.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Out of all the names being
Out of all the names being thrown out there, Biden is by far the most “old school DNC.” He’s way more likable than Hillary, and very well may give Bernie a run for his money. If he does run, he becomes the nightmare opponent: DNC stalwart who is electable in both the primary and general election.
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for the people trashing
for the people trashing bernie-what have you got to say about the stunning amount of donations he’s received?
Not trashing Bernie. But how much of that is rubles?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
for the people trashing
for the people trashing bernie-what have you got to say about the stunning amount of donations he’s received?
Not trashing Bernie. But how much of that is rubles?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
When are the first debates?
When are the first debates? Can Biden skip those?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
June. Yes, Biden can skip
June. Yes, Biden can skip them, but don't think he will assuming he decides to run.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
Is Hillary dusting off her
Is Hillary dusting off her corporate war chest?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
Can we please no bring
Can we please no bring Hillary’s chest into this? Even Bill wants nothing to do with that business!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
https://store.berniesanders
https://store.berniesanders.com/products/for-all-shirt-black
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
brooklyn bernie crushed it.
brooklyn bernie crushed it.
the dem establishment is terrified.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Michigan
Michigan
Wisconsin
Pennsylvania
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
In your opinion, what are the
In your opinion, what are the traits of an effective Executive, and how does Bernie embody these traits better than anyone else?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sun so hot, clouds so low
Bernie's Campaign Store:
Bernie's Campaign Store:
Printing and fulfillment is handled by Tigereye Designs, a union shop!
You don't get that from a better dead than red hat .....
Making
Astoundingly
Gullible
Americans
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
Hillary beat Bernie.
Therefore:
More to the point:
THE END
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
bernie is the most popular
bernie is the most popular politician in the country.
hes the democratic nom. front runner, by a mile.
and remember woz, trump already beat you moderates in the national election-fucking sad and shameful, i know.
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Woz
> Bernie is the most popular
> Bernie is the most popular politician in the country. <
I doubt it.....I don't know who is, hence the need for a primary and then an election but I suspect as I said before Bernie running against a full field. His success against Hillary was as much due to Hillary's unpopularity as anything. Bernie did change the political discourse which is good but I doubt he comes out on top. That said, let the race begin and see who the nominee is.
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https://thehill.com/opinion
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358599-sanders-wouldve-beat-trump-i...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jonaspond
Bernie is the most popular
Bernie is the most popular politician in the country!??? Really? You typed that with sincerity?
He won't even win the primary.
I do realize that the Bernie die hards are much smarter than the rest of us but they're somehow not smart enough to understand that he will never be president.
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the corporations don't even
the corporations don't even have to try when "democrats" are already self-defeating...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank
https://www.realclearpolitics
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democrat...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Roarshock
There will be an election! In
There will be an election. In the primary I am voting for Bernie! He will be a great and transformative president.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ogkb
^indeed.
^indeed.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Alias
I'm voting for Bernie but it
I'm voting for Bernie but it will be a lot harder for him to win this year.
1) His ideas are still sound but after 4 years they don't sound as zingy-fresh to the casual fan. Plus, given that some of the other candidates agree with him on a lot of issues there is less to set him apart. He's the OG, for sure, but does America want vintage or shiny? OG is the best reason to vote for Bernie in my book, but I may not be representative.
2) He absolutely benefited from Russia/Mercers going balls out against his opponent in 2016. Here he has many opponents, so the criticism and shenanigans will be spread out, not laser focussed on one tremendously shitty opponent. I mean shit, Bernie vs. Hillary was about as good vs evil as you get, plus everyone in the world besides the dem party was trying to take out Hillary. Of course that helped Bernie.
3) Age/personality. This is media america. He may have the best ideas but he has one speed, one tone. It was all the rage in 2016, but does it have legs? I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see him debate Trump, but it may be a more difficult sell in a crowded field of dems, some of whom agree with him on many of the issues. Hillary had a terrible personality, the fucking Simpsons cat lady is more lovable. This is the weakest of my arguments as he might be able to pull off gravitas. He and Biden can have a Gravitas Grampa Battle Royale..
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sound and Vision
Is Bernie Sanders Finished?
Is Bernie Sanders Finished?
Democrats like him. They just show no signs of wanting to vote for him this time around.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-10/bernie-sanders-mig...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Richard Cranium
Bernie's 15 minutes of fame
Bernie's 15 minutes of fame have passed.......
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
> Bernie is the most popular
> Bernie is the most popular politician in the country. ,,
Ha. No.
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Liz Warren is eating bernie's
Thoughts:
1) The more people realize that anybody* could beat Trump, the lower Joe will go.
2) Liz Warren is eating Bernie's base.
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Warren/Buttegeig 2020
ps, no, I am not sure I spelled his name right.
sigh.
*other than De Blasio, Hickenlooper, or the other 12 democrats I've never heard of.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
Problem for Bernie, Warren,
Problem for Bernie, Warren, Mayor Pete, etc. is that they are splitting up the progressive vote multiple ways. If the field is not narrowed down considerably by the start of the primary (or at least by Super Tuesday), Biden with just a reliable 30% plurality of "moderate" Democrats can start racking up the primary wins and delegate count and pull ahead of the pack.
That's exactly how Trump got the Republican nomination in 2016. He didn't have a majority of the GOP voters behind him in most of the early primaries, but still had a reliable enough 30% base of supporters that allowed him to win contest after contest against a packed field of contenders until he had built up such a lead that his nomination became inevitable.
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You don't think Biden will
You don't think Biden will drop out after the first debate he has to speak at?
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No, Biden is a career
No, Biden is a career politician with lots of financial and political support from the old guard of the party and will stay in the race well into the primaries, even if the progressives manage to rally around one candidate.
But I will guarantee this. If you take a shot of liquor each time Biden name drops Barack, you will pull a John Bonham and die.
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https://www.latimes.com
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-2020-california-democratic-primary-poll-20190613-story.html
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>>I was happy to vote for him
>>I was happy to vote for him in the primary last time. But this time Liz Warren has the lane pretty well covered and she seems more competent, even if they’re about equally charismatic.
Elizabeth Warren
• Silent on Standing Rock
• Backtracked on single-payer
• Says "I'm a capitalist to my bones"
• Registered Republican until age 47
• Claims Julian Assange is a "bad actor"
• Says we "must hold Assad accountable"
• Voted to increase Trump's military budget