Further>Dead&CO

>> IMO

Furthur really had a spark when they first got started and were a fun band hitting on all cylinders.  One of the best Terrapins I ever saw was at Furthur show.  But over time, it lost much of its sparkle and devolved until Bob was literally was falling down on stage.

Furthur way better than Deadco.  Phil was able to control Bobby's tempo issue.  Higher level of talent as well.

I really liked the way Furthur took a lot of the older material out for a new walk in the woods ... especially when entire setlists were devoted to such.  This is not so much the case with D&C.   Obviously, Phil brings an entirely new, yet familiar, dimension to the table.   This can't be overstated.

Having said that, I don't find the slower tempos of D&C to troublesome in themselves ... it's where Bobby "needs to be" at this stage of his career in order to allow his gift to continue to evolve / shine through.  Do you not appreciate your 80 year old parent because they don't have the same energy they once had when you were growing up?

>I  would never listen to a Furthur bootleg or a Dead and Co bootleg on porpoise<

I would listen to 3.26.2011 again. My favorite of those i attended. 

https://archive.org/details/furthur2011-03-26.akg481.laporte.113435.flac16

Set 1:

01 tuning

02 Golden Road to Unlimited Devotion

03 Viola Lee Blues

04 Alligator

05 Minglewood Blues

06 Sittin' on top of the World

07 Alice D. Millionaire

08 Cream Puff War

09 Turn on Your LoveLight

Set 2:

01 tuning

02 Playin' in the Band

03 Born Cross Eyed

04 Dark Star

05 Eclipse

06 Dark Star

07 Mountains of the Moon

08 Dark Star

09 Terrapin Suite

10 Stella Blue

11 Help on the Way

12 Slipknot

13 Franklin's Tower

14 donor rap

Encore:

15 One more Saturday Night

My wife and I were at the Radio City show and it was a real good one.  It was a tribute to Bear who had died perhaps the week prior to the show.  First set was all pre 1968 Dead.  Gonna relisten now.  Regarding DeadCo I find them unlistenable.  

I do kinda regret never seeing Further. I missed out on all of those early Dead classics that I never saw the GD play. But there's always the tapes.

I can't really remember the difference between Furthur and TD.

^joe russo!

Phil!

Furthur came at a time when we needed them. D&C, not so much.

TD was an ego and money grab and had Warren whom I love doing his stuff but don't like his GD stuff so much. He pulled it off once in awhile but was too Bluesy and was too of a southern rock sound. It wasn't SF psychedelic music IMO.

I paid money to see Furthur a number of times.

Yes and at one point perhaps for a while there was a picture of a steal your face with the image of a bears face and the molecular symbol for LSD in he center.

That was the show the day after Bear died. It was outstanding, I was front and center for that show. Good times.

Probably showed it the day after he died and also at Radio City.  It was definitely impressive.

My biggest complaint about Further is that they played Grateful Dead music where the lead guitar was mostly in the back ground behind the bass and rhythm guitar and on many nights even behind the key boards and the drummer. That may have been JK's fault that he couldn't step up and take over, but I don't get the feeling he was put in a position to take over. Just from a mix perspective he was always way lower than Mayer is in Dead Co. 

Personally I'm happy for all the flavors. If you can't find a band playing dead music these days the way you like it played you aren't looking, although it's interesting that no one that I know of has started a primal dead cover band with fake Pig Pen front and center playing 60's set lists. I would pay to see that at least once. 

>>>>no one that I know of has started a primal dead cover band with fake Pig Pen front and center playing 60's set lists. 

There are a group of musicians in this town that play GD music and they had a project going for a while called "Alligator Wine" that did just that.

>>My biggest complaint about Further is that they played Grateful Dead music where the lead guitar was mostly in the back ground

JK was there to fill in the sound and make it kind of Dead/Jerry-ish, and not be the standout 'lead' player. It was definitely the Phil & Bob (&Russo) show. Now Oteil is the low-in-the-mix guy.

Owsely died March 12,2011.   Further played the Best Buy on March 13th.  Phil did he ws gonna go eat some raw meat in his honor.   First set was a dirge.   Warren came out for second set and brought life to the show.

Radio City was later in the tour after a run at the Tower theater.  3/25 ish.  Indeed Alice D Millionair was a tribute to Bear, and so was What Happened to the Baby the next night.

^What Alfalfa said

I was going to say the same but didn't care enough to say it.

Furthur was mighty fine, especially in the beginning, as mentioned.  Furthur Fest 2010 was a highlight; so crazy for so many reasons, but probably the best outdoor concert sound I've ever experienced. What a mighty time!

I was bummed when they lost Jay Lane, the two drummer approach was great.

The one thing I missed at those shows was Drums > Space.  That's the one thing I like about D&C these days.

Furthur was a rebirth of Bob & Phil's relationship, and put them back on the road playing medium-large venues, bringing the magic of the circus from town to town again; It also featured lots of good playing, and some creative setlists and new covers (even a few really bad new songs). I always thought the test for the band was Bobby. When he was on, the band was on, when he didn't have the energy, the band couldn't fill in the gaps.  But he was feeling pretty good for lots of those tours. Those shows, especially 2 or 3 of the New Years shows they did, were absolutely out of control good and fun. I knew things were kind of running off the rails on NYE '12, when Bobby went into SSDD after Sugar Mags, when it was supposed to come at the end of the set, and a trainwreck ensued. That was a fun show but not great. They lost steam throughout 2013, including when Bobby fell down.  Remember the Nokia show though in 2011, where he totally lost his brain during El Paso?  Was he on acid or what? So yeah, when Bobby was on, the band was fan-fucking tastic.

Better than DeadCo. any day.

Remember Fat Donna?

I checked the math. You are correct 

Everything adds up

I turn money grabbers and company off when I hear it on Sirius

PHIL WAS IN FURTHER 

AND THE Q

I have way more opinions than assholes

I turn money grabbers and company off when I hear it on Sirius

PHIL WAS IN FURTHER 

AND THE Q

The Q was the best show by 100 miles that I saw last year

You rub Phil and Joe Russo together and you get fire. 

Colors of the Rain was a good jammed out tune, great version in Jacksonville, and I remember a huge Unbroken Chain in Orlando that was super tasty. 

Count me as a Furthur fluffer - thought they were pretty great until Bob started to stumble over those pills.

Jack O Hearts is so spot on.

They came around in our lives when my kids were old enough to stay at home and Mom and Dad could travel and relive our youths.

Flew to a slew of cool cities we have not been together and dance for a few nights. We even did a handful of 4-6 show mini-tours

I will have to count them up but we saw them north of 70 times.

The best run for us was 3 in Boston in March 2011.

Saw D&C 2 times, The first was the rescheduled Fort Lauderdale show from the appendix tour soon after the Parkland shooting. it was for the school kids and it was a mother fuckin FIRE show, went skipping into the night headed to Orlando. What a let down.

I liked Furthur and thought it was a real bargain too, even at the time. I saw approximately 20+ of their shows and it all came at a time when I had an easy, well-paying job with lots of time off so off to the circus I commonly went. Thank you for a real good time! 

at least further brought great things like; motorboat, patron on ice, and other memories.

Futhur at The Cap opening with Here Comes The Sun did not put him in the background. He got his moments and generally did well 

Good band that launched JRAD.  Good enough