Golden Gate Bridge Totally Shut Down

Our news associates on the ground are saying the people blocking the bridge's traffic are holding signs, chanting loudly and repeatedly, overwhelmingly demanding:

"We want dueling drummers AND dueling b benders at the next DNB show!!"

and at least at this time the protesters do not seem very willing to forsake this stated goal

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Jessica Siegel (lovely person on her own and also Mookie's wife) was stuck on the bridge, patient, posted videos on Facebook. She did yoga (no pics), hiked above the bridge, talked about people only moving around to walk to the bathrooms.

Afterward she posted: My three hour ordeal has ended. I’m home safe friends! Bridge still closed I’m sure, but my driving down the wrong way road gave me a little hike and then allowed me to drive out when I attempted again. #makelemonade And I will always remember the time I did trikonasana on the middle divide. When will I ever be able to do yoga like that again?

"protests"

what are they protesting now?  

It might be that it's Tax Day and as a use of tax money sending military supplies/weapons to the Middle East sucks.

I heard it was anti-Israel but not from anyone who knew or that I knew.

I think these protesters blocking bridges and freeways need to face stiffer fines and penalties. 
 

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/heres-why-the-golden-gate-bridge-i-8...

and Judit  I hope you didn't  copy and paste Jessica's comments on her FB page without her  permission

Brooklyn Bridge as well ..... https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/15/ceasefire-protesters-block-broo...

Eugene Oregon 

https://www.kezi.com/news/southbound-lanes-of-interstate-5-at-harlow-roa...

My nephew who has an inoperable brain tumor was stuck waiting on the bridge for 2 and a half hours.  Thankfully, he didn't have a seizure.  It's not easy to reschedule his appointments.  Kind of FUBAR.

at least you got a bridge

"The FBI is conducting a court-authorized search of the vessel that crashed into a Baltimore bridge last month, according to FBI and Justice Department officials....The Washington Post, which first reported the activity, suggests that federal investigators are exploring whether crew members knew the vessels systems had been malfunctioning before they left the port."

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/15/1244780484/fbi-key-bridge-baltimore-inves...

I saw a notice that I-5 was closed at that spot with OSP and Lane Co sheriffs present, but no explanation for the closure.. thanks, Bss.

So sorry about your nephew's situation, Dave.

UGH....some things never change ;(. 



I am so glad I never met you in person ( just your weird sister...lol ) !! 


Why even make that comment, Daisy wants to know ?

FYI
>> .. she’s (DA Jenkins) asking bystanders who were stuck on the Golden Gate Bridge during the protest to contact the California Highway Patrol office in Marin and file a police report.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/bay-area-protesters-...

Yeah!

Call the cops.

Yes, reporting to  authorities allows them to document the damage caused by the protesters shutting down the bridge. These stunts pose  risks to public safety 

Nonsense

standing in the middle of a freeway is its own risk

nobody was harmed, here. Relax.

>nobody was harmed, here. Relax.

I am relaxed, thank you. And I disagree about there being no harm. Protesters and rioters can stay off the bridges and freeways and still get their message across. They shouldn't storm the Capitol either. How  would you feel about MAGA shutting down the bridges  and freeways? 

You're welcome.

Storming the United States Capitol and blocking a highway are very different things. Not even the same conversation, not even close.

MAGA people have blocked roadways protesting where I live. I feel basically the same about them. They mostly all went to jail too.

Regardless of the cause, my point is that karens inciting others to file bullshit police reports because they had to sit in traffic days after the fact is weak sauce, and it's snitching.
 

And no, I wouldn't snitch on maga Highway standers either.

Karens and snitches oh my! 

The DA asking  those impacted by the bridge shutdown  is not a Karen.

and I'm guessing you'd feel differently if you had a family, health  or work crisis (health care workers etc) while stuck on the bridge.

I don't understand how it would help the people who'd been stuck on the bridge if it were reported now to the police.

>>The DA asking  those impacted by the bridge shutdown  is not a Karen<<
 

No, you're the Karen for spreading it.

lol

God damned bridge blockers!

BSS for the win.

Beautiful(ly) meaningful picture. Nice find, Bss.

Nancy, I still don't understand how it would help the people who'd been stuck on the bridge if it were reported now to the police. Could you please kindly and gently explain it to me?

Fascists only like protests they can ignore.

>Nancy, I still don't understand how it would help the people who'd been stuck on the bridge if it were reported now to the police. Could you please kindly and gently explain it to me?

The DA is requesting  to hear from those negatively impacted by the closure. Presumably,  the  DA wants to  identify victims to determine the extent of the damage caused by the bridge closure,  and in previous cases the victims were able to let the Judge know how they were  impacted by the actions of "protesters".

Kindly and gently explain to me how exactly you'd feel if you had a medical emergency while stuck on the bridge for hours because of a protest? Couldn't make it home or to a vital  doctors appointment? Couldn't make it to work where you provide essential services? 

PS

I don't see cars stuck on the bridge during the Civil Rights protest, but nice try with a false equalivancy. 

Fucking hilarious 

yeah it's a fake bridge, Karen

cars don't even drive on it

the whole road is probably bunk too

I think, and I can only think I know how I'd feel, because I haven't had that exact experience, that I'd be frustrated, unhappy, possibly in pain, tired, (possibly wet), possibly angry, as exactly as I can think of at this moment. I still can't see how it would help me or anyone else to report it to the police. I don't think they can/would go back in time with that information to remedy anything, can they?

About the pic of the luminaries at the Civil War protest on the bridge, it is showing that the bridge is impassable. Isn't that the issue that is the crux of what you're saying?

> it is showing that the bridge is impassable. Isn't that the issue that is the crux of what you're saying?

 While having a bridge become impassable is certainly an issue, the bigger issue is being stuck on the bridge for hours.

>"If we can tolerate this particular type of protesting and if we allow those individuals to engage in such disruption without any form of accountability, then we can absolutely expect more of the same in the future," said professor Greg Woods, Department of Justice Studies San Jose State University.

MORE: New CA bill would double penalties for protestors who obstruct traffic, highways

Professor Woods categorized Monday's actions as illegal.

"Without the benefit of a license to engage in protest at these particular locations, these individuals are engaging in trespass," said professor Woods.

https://abc7news.com/what-bay-area-pro-palestinian-protesters-could-face...

Nobody was impacted.

FYI - There are hospitals in both SF and Marin County.   99% of Gazans are now internally displaced with 35,000+ dead (mostly women and children).   Now if anyone has a right to complain about being inconvenienced. . . 

And that doesn't mean the protesters blocking the bridge shouldn't face criminal penalties.  That is all a part of choosing to engage in civil disobedience.   I blocked a logging road under construction out in the sticks and spent a couple nights in jail for it.   Comes with the territory. 

Knotesau, excellent timing if you came to Viva to bug Nancy. Nancy, please keep it civil and kind.

People were impacted. Read Dave's post, that has the most relevant and possibly far reaching consequences, and read about Jess who was delayed for 3 hours. Those are impacts.

Oh, I'm not supposed to squish him like a bug, huh? Got it. Nice of you to look out for him and the others here. 

Thank you? My job here is to keep it working.

Can you "squish him like a bug" kindly, while civil?

Judit. It was a play on words since you said "to bug Nancy". 

Of course it would have been funnier if you had said "to bug Karen". 

I didn't get the play on words.

I don't have any more questions, do you?

Are rhetorical questions allowed? 

>>> Are rhetorical questions allowed? <<<  Like that one?

Hmmmm.

I'm not really sure of the end goals of these acts of civil disobedience. If they were to keep Gaza on people's minds, I doubt it made a difference. It's like Trump, the people who care, care. The others don't. If they were to affect change in US policy, a few bridge shutdowns  won't do that. If they were to end the war, they were completely useless. That's between Hamas and Israel. In my mind there's a huge difference between the marches in our Civil Rights movement, which were intended to bring light to and change domestic policy, and these, which won't do shit because of 1,000 reasons.

Still though, they had a right. As Ken noted, if they did break laws then they'll have to deal. Power to the people, and all that.

My problem was not that I was stuck on the bridge doing yoga due to a protest, my problem was that I was stuck in the upsidedown bicycle pose due to a lumbar spasm

I get that Gazans and those advocating for their just treatment are angry, and to a great degree feel helpless.  

There just has to be better ways to effect real change.  You'd have to be living under a rock to not be aware of the humanitarian crisis going on in Gaza, so I don't buy it that these protesters are trying to raise awareness.  They are trying to feel good about themselves for doing something, but are they really helping the situation?  
 

It is a poorly conceived strategy when your methods alienate people who may be sympathetic to your cause.  It wasn't just the Golden Gate Bridge that was shut down.  Many cities had access to their airports blocked.  How many flights were missed because of this?  Say you had a dying parent or friend you were trying to get to and missed the opportunity because of someone blocking the road, how would that make you feel about the protesters' cause?

Actions have consequences.  Cause and effect.  
 

Lobbying Biden to pressure Israel to reign in the disproportionate revenge tactics of Netanyahu and his war cabinet or face consequences in the election by losing support from the radical left, has actually proved to be a successful strategy.   Netanyahu may be ignoring it and claim that Israel will act in its own best interests, but he knows he is losing international support, and risking losing funding for his reverse-jihad.

These bridge and road-blocking actions, regardless of my own personal family concerns, are poorly conceived and come across as grandstanding.

Yeah, in this case it's not really "civil disobedience." 

In the thousands of pro Palestinian posts I have seen on social media I have yet to see one link to an organization that is actually helping Palestinians. So much political discourse today elevates righteous anger above solving problems. 

May I ask, in those thousands of posts have any called for the release of the hostages as a pathway to peace? Have they been critical of  Hamas in any way? Don't do social media.

Nope not one. It's all genocide Joe, colonization, and ethnic cleansing.

curious, do the zoners that have an issue with the action feel the same way regardless of what the reason(s) are for? 

or is it just because its gaza?

meanwhile we are trying to send israel another $26 BILLION.... the fuck they need that for again? oh yeah, to buy us weapons.

>>curious, do the zoners that have an issue with the action feel the same way regardless of what the reason(s) are for?

By "the action" do you mean blocking the bridge? I've said I think they have as much a right as any other group/cause, and if they broke laws, so be it. I don't differentiate causes that I agree with. White nationalists have as much a right to publicly air their opinions as any other group. I absolutely don't think those bridge blocs wee civil disobedience.

After Iran and her proxies launched 500 aerial missiles at Israel, it was pretty clear that they were going to get $$. Iran may have screwed the pooch on that one. 

No it's not just Gaza for me. The bay area has a group of semi-pro protesters that latch on to anything. They subverted Occupy Wall Street into Fuck the Police. They smashed Starbucks windows for the anti Iran war marches that had hundreds of thousands of people and that was all the press wanted to talk about after. 

My biggest complaint with the Gaza protesters is the ideological tests that they impose. You see the same thing on the trans issue as well. Only a small minority of Americans want to cut all aid off to Israel tomorrow. When you are faced with that you need to be an open movement that invites people in who might not 100% support all of your goals. But as is the case with so many left wing movements it just feels like they would rather be right than actually change things for the better. 

Just for the record I 100% support cutting all aid as long as Bibi is in power, but not if that means Trump becomes president. Wait until after the election to do that. I could also care less about any historical reasons for anything. I'm only interested in the present and the near future. I don't know of any time in history where people were held accountable for the sins of their ancestors that went well.

I wouldn't even express those views on a site like Threads because I would be attacked as a genocide supporter, and if you lost me there is no way you will impact any policy for the better. 

>>ust for the record I 100% support cutting all aid as long as Bibi is in power,

I've been reading that Israel's game plan wouldn't be that much different with a centrist leader, but who knows? They truly believe it is an existential battle, and that's driving the actions. It's also driving the renewed Congressional support for Israel. That barrage from Iran, although completely repelled, could have killed tens of thousands in just minutes.120 ballistic and 70+ cruise missiles is no trivial bullshit, and anyone who brushes it off as "meaningless" is myopic. Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc want full destruction.

If there is a bright side, hostilities in Gaza are at a 6 month low and more aid is getting in (although distribution is hindered). On the downside, it looks like the US has okayed a ground invasion of Rafah as long as Israel doesn't retaliate against Iran. On the upside, the US and Egypt seem to be intent on moving civilians out of the area.

Yeah I don't think a centrist government would do things much different in Gaza. They would act the same way America would act if Mexican drug cartels came across the boarder and tried to kill everyone at a country music festival.

But Bibi made this problem by elevating Hamas and refusing to negotiate with the Palestinian Authority and pulling security from the Gaza border to help support the militant settlers in the West Bank. His only motivation is staying out of jail. He has to go. 

A centrist government wouldn't openly be against a two state solution and that should be our litmus test for any future aid. 

Bibi is a dick, as is his douchebag coalition. He'll be gone within the year. 

Bibi is a dick, as is his douchebag coalition. He'll be gone within the year. <<<

Hopefully. 

Well, there's some pretty big and loud civil disobedience in Israel against him. It'll probably do more than a couple of provocateurs on some bridges in the US.