Haven't seen a thread about this yet...
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Weird... I immediately turned to VLZ expecting the usual instant breaking news and kneejerk reactions... but nothing.
Public shooting in a restaurant in Oklahoma just went down. Shooter is the only one dead, due to an armed citizen.
Oklahoma... LOL. Takes a special kind of stupid to try something like that there...
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: vivalavuvuzela
C'mon... Too soon to talk
C'mon... Too soon to talk about needing more gun laws and how they would prevent these atrocities? Is it just that this one doesn't fit the narrative enough to shine a light on and beat into the ground as an excuse to shave away some more freedoms... or maybe it's just not horrific/sensational enough to fall into the normal 'bad news travels fast' category...?
Either way, I'm disappointed. For once the result was less-than-appalling and suddenly nobody seems as usually eager to run to the presses and trot this one out.
Bueller.... Bueller?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Across
I'm pretty sure Ender just
I'm pretty sure Ender just joined the NRA. Otherwise I got nothing.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
Take it to TheVuvuzela.net
Take it to TheVuvuzela.net
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Cum and Gone?
Cum and Gone?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face
Glad no one injured or killed
Glad no one injured or killed in the crossfire and only 2 innocent people were shot by the bad guy with the gun.
The people who were shot might be the ones to ask if they favor sensible gun control legislation
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: vivalavuvuzela
In Oklahoma?? After having
In Oklahoma?? After having just possibly having their life saved and seeing the shooter stopped by an armed bystander? I'm having a hard time imagining they would... it isn't Cali.
Of the 4 dudes I know from DBMBs that live in OK, 3 of them carry. And they're all liberal leaning more than staunch Repugs. Even the wives pack heat. I think it's a little weird, but to each his own. One of them is even a former wook who is now a heady attorney.
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You know people in Oklahoma?
You know people in Oklahoma?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: vivalavuvuzela
Lost touch with a couple of
Lost touch with a couple of them in the last few years but yeah. If you want to split hairs or otherwise make something from it, I was clear they are mostly DBMB acquaintances. I have never been to Oklahoma, but these are people I've had private conversations with and even done shows with some of them.
Okie was one, and while I never met him IRL and it was never discussed, he's the one that I can't say is strapped even while food shopping in OK. LOL
Speaking of, anyone know if he's still around??
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
Right on! One worked???
Right on!
One worked???
One for the "good guys"!
Far out!!!
A thousand the other way, but one at a time, right?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Here's a list of gun violence
Here's a list of incidents involving gun violence from the last 72 hours.
Maybe you can go through these 14 pages and find some more "good guy" examples.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
Yay guns! Best killing tool available to the public
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
Adult, child hurt in Indiana
Adult, child hurt in Indiana middle school shooting; suspect in custody
Associated Press
An official says an adult and a child were injured in a shooting at an Indiana middle school and were taken to hospitals in Indianapolis.
Indiana University Health spokeswoman Danielle Sirilla said the adult victim in Friday morning's attack at Noblesville West Middle School was taken to IU Health Methodist Hospital and the child was taken to Riley Hospital for Children. She had no information on their ages or the seriousness of their injuries.
Authorities say the suspect is believed to have acted alone and was taken into custody. No further details were provided about the suspect, victim or possible motive for the attack.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-noblesville-we...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: vivalavuvuzela
So just like I thought...
So just like I thought...
Not sensational and terrible enough to talk about or pull out the political demonization dog and pony show. It doesn't fit the narrative.
Stay focused and fascinated on the ones that do, though... and keep planting those seeds. Less freedom and more buzz and media glory to feed the next wacko.
I'll stick to watering the idea that the next time some dumb fucker decides to act pathologically antisocial, a legally armed citizen might be a deterrent. In a hick state anyway.
Just pointing out how VLZ is literally *the* cutting edge of all things public shooting and quick to break the story within minutes... usually.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
No, Viva, my response was the
No, Viva, my response was the gun violence statistics from the last 72 hours.
You know, the post you chose to ignore.
Here is the link again...
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
Please find all the good guys with guns in those 14 pages.
Or will you just ignore it again?
I posted the school shooting article because it just happened...again!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: smiley
This Vuvusplaining is just
This Vuvusplaining is just precious.
Bless your heart.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
Vuvu thinks that one black
Vuvu thinks that one black guy standing behind tRump at rallies proves all blacks love tRump.
It's called nuance, vuvu....even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>I'll stick to watering the
>I'll stick to watering the idea that the next time some dumb fucker decides to act pathologically antisocial, a legally armed citizen might be a deterrent. In a hick state anyway. <
Please come and respond, Viva.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
Is it that the statistics don't fit your narrative?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: vivalavuvuzela
There is nothing respond
There is nothing respond really... if I point out that an armed citizen is probably a more realistic (and likely) short term solution than any regulation can ever hope to be, then I'm just going to be labeled an NRA Trumptard. Which I'm NOT... But it's true.
Personally, I don't believe in armed guards or teachers at schools... I think that is just admitting total failure as a society and a shameful reflection of our country and sets a very dark tone for 'education' in a first world nation. But the truth is, it's actually a more viable/realistic solution compared to the standard gun debate that inevitably goes nowhere and would actually reduce the chances of any proverbial 'good guy with a gun' even existing.
I'm not trying to have the same old worthless debate that almost always ends in hostility and name calling... I'm just trying to point out how closed minded and biased everything seems to be on the topic. If this was bodies piled to the ceiling, there would have been a thread instantly and it would have flooded the news and this thread would have been 200 posts by now.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>If this was bodies piled to
>If this was bodies piled to the ceiling, there would have been a thread instantly and it would have flooded the news and this thread would have been 200 posts by now.<
Can't start a thread about every shooting incident, too darn many of them.
And maybe your passive aggressive approach turned people off?
Some more gun violence stats...
More unintentional shootings than self defense shootings.
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>>I'm just going to be
>>I'm just going to be labeled an NRA Trumptard. Which I'm NOT... But it's true. <<
>> Personally, I don't believe in armed guards or teachers at schools.....But the truth is, it's actually a more viable/realistic solution <<<
>>> I'm not trying to have the same old worthless debate that almost always ends in hostility and name calling... I'm just trying to point out how closed minded and biased <<<
At least you're consistent...consistently flippin' and floppin'.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: vivalavuvuzela
I just visited your link -
I just visited your link - been juggling shit here a bit.
Most of those are unremarkable (media-wise) and not even national stories. The bulk of them are untold and unheard of by the unwashed masses.
It just feeds into the reality that one-on-one shootings have been commonplace in this country for decades. But the people and the media don't use those events hoping to pull at the heartstrings enough to make anyone say "damn the constitution" or blame/attack.demonize folks who believe in the Second Ammendment as a fundamental right in this country.
There is no flipping and flopping. We have a problem. It is now IMNSHO a feedback loop issue. I would be ashamed of armed teachers and I'm already ashamed we have SROs. I don't think we should do that. But I also don't think we should be on the course we are now, either.
Fact is, even the most broadly sweeping and immediate law would serve to have almost no effect on the current trend anytime in the near future. When people want to do this shit, they'll figure out a way. Kinda like how the vast majority of Chicago and other urban murders are committed by illegally armed people that regulations don't seem to affect one bit.
Guns are a hobby for some folks, and nothing more. I understand that growing up and shooting with dad as a kid. To be frank, I'd rather not live in a world where we feel a need for such strong defense in everyday life. That's not peace. But if I did happen to feel that way, I'd rather live in Oklahoma over a place like CA or NY/NJ.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: vivalavuvuzela
What do unintentional
What do unintentional shootings have to do with it?
Are we now interested in messing with the freedoms of hundreds of millions in the name of sparing 600 dumbasses who shot themself or their buddy by accident - usually by ignorance or not following the rules?
Maybe that will be the next hot topic, but if the schools and concerts thing doesn't do it, I don't think that will tip the scales.
TBH, I think the entire anti-gun lobby would be best served putting that passion and energy into other avenues. Like repairing our society instead.
On the current course, I personally believe we are 1-2 generations away from massive historical change and a swaying of the tide. But things are going to suck just as much and more after the gun control lobby finally gets their way, especially if nothing else changes. We all lose a bit of history and freedom due to the stupidity of a relatively microscopic group.
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Dude, turn off Breitbart and
Dude, are Breitbart and Fox News reporting on this?
Teacher without a gun disarms school shooter today.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/05/25/indiana-middle...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>Most of those are
>Most of those are unremarkable (media-wise) and not even national stories. The bulk of them are untold and unheard of by the unwashed masses.
It just feeds into the reality that one-on-one shootings have been commonplace in this country for decades. But the people and the media don't use those events hoping to pull at the heartstrings enough to make anyone say "damn the constitution" or blame/attack.demonize folks who believe in the Second Ammendment as a fundamental right in this country<
The media cannot report every shooting incident, not enough time or resources...too many of them. They are no big deal, you know like car accidents. Big ones are reported.
The second amendment folks(NRA) are demonized because they oppose all gun control regulation.
> When people want to do this shit, they'll figure out a way. Kinda like how the vast majority of Chicago and other urban murders are committed by illegally armed people that regulations don't seem to affect one bit. <
Figure out a way? Yep, straw buyers can drive to states with little to no gun purchasing restrictions. Then legally purchased guns are sold illegally.
>What do unintentional shootings have to do with it?<
More people are shot unintentionally than are shot in self defense. Doesn't jive with your good guy with a gun narrative.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Johnny D
I didn't hear about this
I didn't hear about this incident.
Here's a link to the story:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/us/oklahoma-city-shooting/index.html
To me, it sounds like the armed "good guys" didn't prevent the shooting, but they at least prevented the alleged perp from getting away.
>>>NRA lauds armed defenders, slams governor
The National Rifle Association quickly seized on the incident as "just another example of how the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," according to a tweet. The powerful gun rights lobbying group commonly touts the mantra as part of its strategy in the wake of gun violence to identify ways -- apart from restricting firearms -- to enhance public safety.
✅ An #ArmedCitizen saved multiple lives last night in #OKC. We hope this serves as a wake-up call for @GovMaryFallin, who just two weeks ago vetoed a constitutional carry bill. Just another example of how the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. #2A pic.twitter.com/kPRjpiyeow
— NRA (@NRA) May 25, 2018
The NRA also took a swipe at Gov. Mary Fallin, who two weeks ago vetoed a bill that would have made Oklahoma the 13th state to let residents carry guns without a permit.
In explaining her veto, Fallin, a Republican, noted that the bill would have eliminated firearms training requirements and softened background check rules.
The bill "eliminates the current ability of Oklahoma law enforcement to distinguish between those carrying guns who have been trained and vetted, and those who have not," Fallin said, according to a statement.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly
>Guns are a hobby for some
>Guns are a hobby for some folks, and nothing more<
5647 people have died from gun related incidents in 2018. Big price tag for a hobby.
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The NRA supports MS-13
The NRA supports MS-13
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or was it Obama? https:/
or was it Obama? https://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/trumps-ms-13-miss/
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: New & Improved
>Guns are a hobby for some
>Guns are a hobby for some folks, and nothing more<
The problem is many have elevated their obsession with guns, and gun culture, beyond it being simply a hobby. Holding the 2nd Amendment anywhere near the 1st Amendment is a joke. Teaching your kids that "Dimocracrats /Dumbocrats" want to grab 'yer guns is spiraling this into generations to come.
Make the gun owner accountable for it's output. Make the parent(s) of the kids that are using these guns to shoot up schools accountable. Teach gun owners that they need to lock their shit up so we don't have to deal with the consequences of their laziness and negligence.