Hey Nancy, Are you buried?!?

Thanks for asking.  I was there in the morning, the the cliff collapsed on the 2 women and their dog walking on the beach in the afternoon - during high tide, not much beach and they were walking close to or on the cliff to stay out of the water when the slide occurred.    One woman's body was recovered in the ocean. Her friend and dog managed to escape the rubble after being buried. 

A good reminder to stay off the beach during high tide and away from the cliffs. 

Major rescue effort, and a very sad day at the Fort. 

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Cliff-Rescue-at-Fort-Funston-in-Sa...

>A good reminder to stay off the beach during high tide and away from the cliffs. <

Please forgive my naivety,  but what about high tide makes the beach dangerous?

There’s literally no beach to walk on, and no place to go when a ‘sneaker’ wave hits during high tide.  The Pacific coast  is much fiercer than the Atlantic, The cliffs are unstable and when the waves hit the cliffs the hillside collapses below.

Also, with all the rain we’ve been getting, the cliffs are also prone to sand/mudslides. Don’t be walking on the edge of these cliffs either.

Best to check a tide chart before you hike on the beach and be especially wary during full moons, when the tides are extreme.

California hurricanes are the most deadly hurricanes in the galaxy. 

>>>>>>The Pacific coast  is much fiercer than the Atlantic,

Pacific is Spanish for fierce.

>California hurricanes are the most deadly hurricanes in the galaxy

you see hurricanes coming, you can get out of the way.  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_Atlantic_hurricanes

With modern tech folks should be able to evacuate.  We need to do a better job assisting poor people and elderly people to evacuate in such situations. 

And I'm glad you are safe, Nancy. 

>>>>>>With modern tech folks should be able to evacuate

I don’t think we have the technology to predict bluff collapses yet.

Actually, there are literal warning signs and most of the accidents occur because people are walking on the unstable bluffs  - and at Funston while they’re attempting to rescue their dogs who get stuck there. 

It’s  a beautiful spot and I’m there most days.  on windy days the Hang Gliders launch from the cliffs, and it’s also a great place to whale watch and the surfers seem to like it too. 

PS We’re discussing  Surf here - Nobody is talking about Hurricanes, except gaslighting pool boy. 

Seal Beach has a dangerous high tide. 

Hoover, i was responding to Slack.

Nancy,  i understand what you're discussing,  but I'll respond to Slack every time.

>>Pacific is Spanish for fierce

It was a misnomer given during a calm spell. Hope you know that Hoover. It is widely understood to be a more violent ocean these days. 

The Atlantic Ocean is the second most dangerous ocean behind the Indian Ocean.  Hope you know that Gravy.  It’s widely understood to be more dangerous than the Pacific Ocean.

I think that the Pacific gets bigger storms than the Indian or Atlantic, but because of the vastness of the ocean they don’t effect humans as much. Atlantic and Indian  storms tend to kill thousands and cause billions in damage. Does that make sense?

What’s the East Coast equivalent of Mavericks Surf Competition, Timmy?

the largest wave ever surfed was in Portugal.  What part of the Pacific does Portugal touch Nancy?

So the  Atlantic has bigger and rougher surf than the Atlantic?  i had no idea. I’ll be careful if I’m ever walking on the beach in Portugal. 

>>>>>So the  Atlantic has bigger and rougher surf than the Atlantic?  i had no idea.

huh?

Whoops. Should have read :  the Atlantic has bigger and rougher surf than the Pacific? I had no idea..

I tend to hear the reports of big waves on the West coast, but I really don’t follow the worldwide surf reports. And from  my experience at the beach on both coasts ( of the USA) it seems that the Pacific  coast is more fierce. And no, I’ve never been to Portugal. Learned something new today.

http://www.worldsurfleague.com/events/2019/mqs/2933/florida-pro

Learning more..

https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/oceanography/quest...

Timmy is wrong. He hates being wrong. Ask any sailor which is more dangerous. The Atlantic is a pond compared to crossing the Pacific. The Pacific has more violent storms and they’re less avoidable. Most schoolkidz in CA now know the Pacific is a misnomer. Then again, you went to school in the Midwest, right Timmy?

You’re both right, just arguing different points. Pacific storms are bigger and stronger. Indian and Atlantic storms do more damage to people and structures.

Argue with these guys Gravy

https://www.marineinsight.com/life-at-sea/dangerous-ocean-waters-ships-s...

I read an article that said seals took over a beach in California during the shutdown and they aren’t giving it back. 

Whats up with that???

Experts agree that California seals are the most territorial seals in the world 

Timmy and gravy y’all should know that due to the westerlies both western basins of Atlantic and pacific are far more fierce than their eastern basin counterparts.  Hence the west coast of USA being fiercer than the east coast of USA, along with west coast of Europe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westerlies

check the chapter on westerlies affects on ocean currents

Lot of experts here

https://youtu.be/HjWvM4E9Z2s

Thanks for the info Racket.  Always nice to learn something new.  I think some people in this thread assumed bot oceans only touched the USA.

I’m not an ocean man and boat captain like Gravy but I’m pretty well read.  His knowledge seems to be regional.  Thanks for helping educate us both.

Stick to your inland warterways, Timmy. I love the thought of you googling this in Fresno while I was at the beach this morning. 

And Slacker, I just dropped an old beat up Wavestorm board at the dump and thought of you. 

Hope everyone enjoys a fun and productive Saturday. 

How big were the waves, Chandler? 

Is this what it’s going to be like when you all teach me how to surf?

>I read an article that said seals took over a beach in California during the shutdown and they aren’t giving it back. 

During the government shut down the parking lot at Stinson Beach was closed, so the mating/breeding Elephant seals took over since there were no people on the beach. After the government shut down ended, rangers were stationed in the parking lot and allowed visitors to view the seals from a safe distance. The seals  usually hang nearby in an place that's not accessible, but they saw an opportunity and took it. During the month long government shut down, they had the place to themselves.  I was hiking at Mt Tam last weekend and stopped by the beach where they had been. The barriers were still in place but all the elephant seals had left. Guess they had enough of the people coming to see them? 

>>>>>Stick to your inland warterways, Timmy. I love the thought of you googling this in Fresno while I was at the beach this morning.

I love the thought of you being from Newport Beach.  Totally makes sense.

I grew up on a barrier island on the Atlantic coast in Florida and can say with authority that the beaches and ocean down there (except during hurricanes and tropical storms) are much, much calmer than the Pacific beaches up here in Oregon.   Florida has way more sharks though.

>>>all the elephant seals had left

im glad they didn’t force them out but pretty funny story I kind of wish they stayed like they were squatters 

East/West surf war ^ 

Correction: Recovery efforts still underway - and being hampered by high tides. 

The Parking lot to Funston is closed while Search and Rescue (recovery) are doing their thing. Really hoping they can recover the body and soon. 

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Crews-resume-search-for-woma...

>After crews sifted through the debris Saturday, it was not known by mid-afternoon if the missing woman’s body was still buried on the beach or if it was swept into the ocean, Strickfaden said.

How big are the waves?

Bet if you google  "surf report SF" you'll find the answer you're searching for, Sealion. Might not be the response you're seeking though. 

The Atlantic has the highest recorded waves.

Newport, lolz...

from NPS

>Missing Person Recovery Efforts at Fort Funston

On Friday, February 22 through Sunday, February 24, the Golden Gate National Recreation Area recovery team continued recovery efforts, and maintained the safety and integrity of the search site at Fort Funston. The team, supported by soils specialists from partner agencies, and the National Park Service (NPS), assessed the conditions and safety of the beach and search area. After Saturday, equipment was not utilized due to tidal action, continued sandy bluff instability, and anticipated storm conditions. Efforts are focused on visual search of the remaining beach and bluff area. Emergency worker safety in ever-changing beach conditions remains our top priority. They will work around the forecasted hazardous storm conditions, and will resume operations when the current storm system passes and it is safe to work in the search area.

On Monday, February 25, an assessment of the use of ground penetrating radar was conducted. Unfortunately, use of this equipment has been ruled out because it would have to be operated by a specialist in the unstable search area and false positives would be created due to pre-existing concrete and metal debris. 

The NPS recovery team will assess the conditions of the beach and sandy bluff search area when current storms pass and hope to utilize long-boom excavators to work safely on the beach surf area. 

Said Charlie Strickfaden, Communications Director for Golden Gate National Recreation Area, “From third hand reports, this appears to be an unfortunate and isolated natural incident. Ocean waves, soft sand and soil, and recent storm events contribute to erosion of beaches and coastal bluffs. Beach and coastal bluff areas throughout the bay area are popular attractions.”

All bay area agencies, including the NPS, inform visitors of the general condition of these natural coastal landscapes, and encourage them to be aware of their surroundings through education and personal contacts, signage, and website information. The Fort Funston area, with the exception of the beach and search area, remains open and accessible to the public. 

The names of the two women are not being released out of deference to the privacy and concern for their friends and family during this tragic event. Recovery operations will be continued and updates will be provided as they become available. 

that’s a hell of a way to go

condolences 

victim identified, but searchers have yet to locate her body

RIP Kyra Sunhine Scarlet. 22 years old. 

 parents who named her must be deadheads..

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/02/28/fort-funston-landslide-san-...

Damn... rip Kyra Sunshine Scarlet.

Peace to her family ~

The Elephant seals took over Drakes Beach up in Point Reyes National Seashore, not Stinson Beach.

D’oh

Just a friendly correction. Glad you weren't the one climbing on that cliff. 

Terrible tragedy. You wouldn't catch me walking under that cliff after all the rain we've had.

On the night it happened, they showed a Park Ranger standing on top of the cliff, on a spot that was

undercut right under him. I was praying that part wasn't going to break off while he was standing there.

People get killed every day because they don't realize the power of the ocean. (Knocked down by a large sneaker wave and 

dragged into the ocean is most common).