Hilldog is back

lol.... dude .... really? she's nothing but a puppet..

i would rather see you applaud HR puff in'stuff's return to childrens TV..

but do as you will. carry on.

i had beer with mikew sat. he thinks bernie people are happy.

If she runs for Pres again I'll puke

Done with that family, as much as I hate King cheeto 

over the hil

>Done with that family, as much as I hate King cheeto 

Would we be better off if Hillary was elected or do you think that Trump is doing a good job?

HRC is trash. has she admitted to running a terrible campaign yet. 

no, probably not. 

Hillary Clinton should be placed in permanent seclusion in the loser wing of her mansion.

You let us down, Hilldog. You let us all down.

>has she admitted to running a terrible campaign yet. 

I think she's waiting for the Bernie Bros to admit that he wouldn't have won either. 

If you think that Hillary lost because she ran a terrible campaign then you are really out of touch as to why Trump won.

The whole Hillary Hater gang mentality is one of the reasons we have Trump as our POTUS.

>> one of the reasons we have Trump as our POTUS.

As is the inability to turn inward and reflect on the failure to connect with people.

Maybe instead of staging college party-style rallies with Super Bowl performers like Lady Gaga in places like Philadelphia, Clinton could have done what she did so successfully during her time in the Senate and met some, you know, real people in a place like, say, Bethlehem.

>real people in a place like, say, Bethlehem.

Harrisburg and other stops in PA weren't enough. She specifically needed to stop in Bethlehem?

Sure that may have helped. Still without the russian intervention Hillary would have won. She won the popular vote.

The winner certainly had luck with 'college party-style rallies'.  

This thread needs some Hillary thumbs up google images. 

I think she actually needed to promise a free lump of coal and vcr's for everyone.

Disconnect lost the last connection. Denial probably won't help the next one.

Yeah, Bethlehem probably would've been good. Couldn't hurt.

the die hard HRC supporters are some of the worst politically "active" people in some time. 

grow the fuck up. 

Settle down bill.

I don't know too many die hard Hillary supporters.  I do know plenty of people that realize that the choice to vote Clinton wasn't all that hard to make. We all supported Bernie until Bernie wasn't a choice.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-comey-letter-probably-cost-clin...

The Comey Letter Probably Cost Clinton The Election.  So why won’t the media admit as much?

By Nate Silver

Filed under The Real Story Of 2016   Published May 3, 2017

This is the tenth article in a series that reviews news coverage of the 2016 general election, explores how Donald Trump won and why his chances were underrated by most of the American media.

Hillary Clinton would probably be president if FBI Director James Comey had not sent a letter to Congress on Oct. 28. The letter, which said the FBI had “learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation” into the private email server that Clinton used as secretary of state, upended the news cycle and soon halved Clinton’s lead in the polls, imperiling her position in the Electoral College.

The letter isn’t the only reason that Clinton lost. It does not excuse every decision the Clinton campaign made. Other factors may have played a larger role in her defeat, and it’s up to Democrats to examine those as they choose their strategy for 2018 and 2020.

But the effect of those factors — say, Clinton’s decision to give paid speeches to investment banks, or her messaging on pocket-book issues, or the role that her gender played in the campaign — is hard to measure. The impact of Comey’s letter is comparatively easy to quantify, by contrast. At a maximum, it might have shifted the race by 3 or 4 percentage points toward Donald Trump, swinging Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida to him, perhaps along with North Carolina and Arizona. At a minimum, its impact might have been only a percentage point or so. Still, because Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1 point, the letter was probably enough to change the outcome of the Electoral College.

And yet, from almost the moment that Trump won the White House, many mainstream journalists have been in denial about the impact of Comey’s letter. The article that led The New York Times’s website the morning after the election did not mention Comey or “FBI” even once — a bizarre development considering the dramatic headlines that the Times had given to the letter while the campaign was underway. Books on the campaign have treated Comey’s letter as an incidental factor, meanwhile. And even though Clinton herself has repeatedly brought up the letter — including in comments she made at an event in New York on Tuesday — many pundits have preferred to change the conversation when the letter comes up, waving it away instead of debating the merits of the case.

The motivation for this seems fairly clear: If Comey’s letter altered the outcome of the election, the media may have some responsibility for the result. The story dominated news coverage for the better part of a week, drowning out other headlines, whether they were negative for Clinton (such as the news about impending Obamacare premium hikes) or problematic for Trump (such as his alleged ties to Russia). And yet, the story didn’t have a punchline: Two days before the election, Comey disclosed that the emails hadn’t turned up anything new.

....

The Comey letter almost immediately sank Clinton’s polls

News of the Comey letter broke just before 1 p.m. Eastern time on Oct. 28, when Utah. Rep Jason Chaffetz tweeted about it, noting the existence of the letter and stating (incorrectly, it turned out2

The letter said the FBI would “review” the emails to “assess their importance to our investigation.”

) that the case into Clinton’s private email server had been “reopened.” The story exploded onto the scene; Fox News was treating Chaffetz’s tweet as “breaking news” within 15 minutes, and the FBI story dominated headlines everywhere within roughly an hour. In an element of tabloid flair, it was soon reported that the emails in question were found on a computer owned by Anthony Weiner, the former congressman, as part of an investigation into whether he’d sent sexually explicit messages to teenage girls.

, Weiner’s estranged wife. Although some of these articles contained detailed reporting, the headlines focused on speculation about the implications for the horse race — “NEW EMAILS JOLT CLINTON CAMPAIGN IN RACE’S LAST DAYS.”Abedin Huma stories stretched across the print edition’s front page, accompanied by a photo showing Clinton and her aide ComeyFew news organizations gave the story more velocity than The New York Times. On the morning of Oct. 29,

That Comey’s decision to issue the letter had been so unorthodox and that the contents of the letter were so ambiguous helped fuel the story. The Times’s print lead on Oct. 30 was about Clinton’s pushback against Comey, and a story it published two days later explained that Comey had broken with precedent in releasing the letter. It covered all sides of the controversy. But the controversy was an unwelcome one for Clinton, since it involved voters seeing words like “Clinton,” “email,” “FBI” and “investigation” together in headlines. Within a day of the Comey letter, Google searches for “Clinton FBI” had increased 50-fold and searches for “Clinton email” almost tenfold.

Clinton’s standing in the polls fell sharply. She’d led Trump by 5.9 percentage points in FiveThirtyEight’s popular vote projection at 12:01 a.m. on Oct. 28. A week later — after polls had time to fully reflect the letter — her lead had declined to 2.9 percentage points. That is to say, there was a shift of about 3 percentage points against Clinton. And it was an especially pernicious shift for Clinton because (at least according to the FiveThirtyEight model) Clinton was underperforming in swing states as compared to the country overall. In the average swing state,3

As weighted by the state’s likelihood of being the tipping-point state.

Clinton’s lead declined from 4.5 percentage points at the start of Oct. 28 to just 1.7 percentage points on Nov. 4. If the polls were off even slightly, Trump could be headed to the White House.

...

But it’s not credible to claim that the Comey letter had no effect at all. It was the dominant story of the last 10 days of the campaign. According to the news aggregation site Memeorandum, which algorithmically tracks which stories are gaining the most traction in the mainstream media, the Comey letter was the lead story on six out of seven mornings from Oct. 29 to Nov. 4, pausing only for a half-day stretch when Mother Jones and Slate published stories alleging ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

...

So while one can debate the magnitude of the effect, there’s a reasonably clear consensus of the evidence that the Comey letter mattered— probably by enough to swing the election. This ought not be one of the more controversial facts about the 2016 campaign; the data is pretty straightforward. Why the media covered the story as it did and how to weigh the Comey letter against the other causes for Clinton’s defeat are the more complicated parts of the story.

...

The standard way to dismiss the letter’s impact is to say that Clinton should never have let the race get that close to begin with. But the race wasn’t that close before the Comey letter; Clinton had led by about 6 percentage points and was poised to win with a map like this one, including states such as North Carolina and Arizona (but not Ohio or Iowa).

My guess is that the same pundits who pilloried Clinton’s campaign after the Comey letter would have considered it an impressive showing and spoken highly of her tactics.

Thus, you have to assess the letter’s impact to do an honest accounting of the Clinton campaign. If you’re in the “Big Comey” camp and think Clinton would have won by 5 or 6 percentage points without the letter, it’s hard to fault Clinton all that much. Even given all of Trump’s deficiencies as a candidate, that’s a big margin for an election in which the “fundamentals” pointed toward a fairly close race. “Little Comey” believers have more room to assign blame to Clinton’s campaign, in addition to Comey (and the media’s coverage of him).

...

If I were advising a future candidate on what to learn from 2016, I’d tell him or her to mostly forget about the Comey letter and focus on the factors that were within the control of Clinton and Trump. That’s not my purpose here. Instead, it’s to get at the truth — to figure out the real story of the election. The real story is that the Comey letter had a fairly large and measurable impact, probably enough to cost Clinton the election. It wasn’t the only thing that mattered, and it might not have been the most important. But the media is still largely in denial about how much of an effect it had.

I need to post something in this thread

Bethlehem, you say?

My daughter and all her friends from college registered to vote in Bethlehem, because they knew it was a swing county and their votes would matter.

They waited in line for hours to vote, and out of the 6 or 7 of them that all registered together, only one was on the rolls. Turns out that a lot of the college kids were unregistered.

And Trump won the county, right?

God I hope she finds a suitable designer rock to crawl under, and never comes back out.

>God I hope she finds a suitable designer rock to crawl under, and never comes back out.

Yeah because Hillary is oh so well known for her designer outfits.  Those pant suits are all the rage!

"Sure Hil, I'll bomb Syria for you. Just say when, and it's done!"

I can sure say that everyone that i've ever met and had some dealings with, 100% of them, turned out to be spectacular people.

THE best. 

She's still running the show 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-calls-strikes-syrian-airf...

I thought Hillary lost and she should hide under a designer rock?  But behind the scenes she is calling the shots?  Lol... Possibly you slept during her coronation?

>> My daughter and all her friends from college registered to vote in Bethlehem, because they knew it was a swing county and their votes would matter

"Swing county", really? Who told them that?

This thread is looking in the rear view mirror.

That new book , Shattered, by Clinton insiders is pretty eye opening. 

I'm confused. Is Trump doing the bidding of Putin or of Clinton?

Guy, when you say "eye opening," is that in relative terms? Like, did it tell you anything you didn't know or rather confirm what you already believe? Objectively, does it prove anything, or does it just bring up more questions?

there's no fucking thing as a "bernie bro".

you just sound stupid when you keep up that mantra.

Someone told your daughter electoral votes are allocated by county? Sounds like dirty tricks there...

Well, no. That was for the congressional seat.  They were aware enough to know that the House could shift, and they wanted in on that. They were all going to vote for Clinton, and only one was able to.

No thumbs up pics? How about a wave or point and smile? 

Turts, why does the "Bernie Bro" thing bother you so much?

because its a false/weak argument with no merit.

Funny thing is, if she ran under the Hilldog moniker, she may have won.

I thought that the "Bernie bros" were the frat boy types who were along for the ride, but not the causes. They tended to be on the aggro side. I think that Jonas was kind of misusing it in his post. The Bernie Bros didn't give a shit either way because they were never really what it was all about.

>>>I thought the frat boy types were along for the ride, but not the causes. 

Slack, should I edit my post to match your misquote, or will you edit yours to the proper quote?

Looks like Jann Wenner fondling himself. 

That's what makes our country great, JR. People have a right to not care.

And it's because of that 48% of the population that didn't care to vote that we have Trump as President.

The power if the non-vote is equal to that of the vote.

My guess is that Slack is wondering what the point of discussing it on a DBMB is?

There is no point, but then again, what's the point of 99% of it?

I voted but I didn't vote for Trump. 

I didn't vote in the primary. Superdelegates made it seem pointless. 

My life is pretty much much governed by everyone around me since they're all "worth" more. 

Slacker is taking some heavy fire in this thread.

I still think he's a lock for "Most Improved Zoner". Dude has put in some good work this year. 

Trump is gonna make school lunches GREAT AGAIN!

Are they worth more or do they just have more debt and less freedom?

I didn't misuse the term and it doesn't just apply to 'aggro' males. 

Define it. I'm not being contentious, just wondering what a Bernie bro is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Bro

Bernie bros = nasty, unfounded and uncalled for vitriol aimed at Hillary and Hillary supporters

Yeah, I've seen that.

keep on baaaahhing, sheeples...

Turts, are you being ironic or serious? I'm really not sure.

"hilldog" should be put down like the rabid bitch she truly is

i think you know bk.

there's the river of hate hillman....let if flow through you my brother...

it's not a fucking river of hate. she's a proven liar, untrustworthy, manipulative, etc., and y'all said pretty much this same thing during the entire process while sanders was still in the race. fuck her, fuck trump, fuck this entire 2-tier political system. you get self-serving career pols that end up doing only what serves their own best interests, yet they're re-elected time & again and you wonder why the system is fucked. make bold changes.

who made the decision that you live by a nuclear waste dump? you? based on your description of the area, any person with an ounce of common sense would fucking know better.

most everyone doesn't give a fuck about you either, junior.

Dippidity dabs double. I'm a fuckin' jellyhead.

Damn, Hillman, coming out throwing haymakers. Not a good look man, I remember you being a lot more chill than on edge... and all I've seen of you on this site has been way on edge.

Breathe, man. What's good.

In this case, blame both Bernie and Trump. Both of them could have run as viable non-party candidates. They chose not to because they wanted to suck up to the system. Pussies, both of them. The parties gladly accepted them, even though neither had been party loyalists.

The reality is, either could have run viable campaigns as Independents. It was their choice to not do that. Could you imagine if the race was Clinton/Cruz/Sanders/Trump? That would have been a ground-breaking election and result, and there would have been a high chance that the Executive was nether R or D.  But, they wanted the magic dust from the Party. It worked for Trump and didn't for Bernie. You can't blame Hillary for that.

Remember that time they identified her pantsuit/jacket thing as being $30k?

yeah she hates designer/name brand clothes.

fuck her. She carries 100% of the blame for this nightmare trump presidency.

well her and the dnc.

fucking dumb, corrupt bastards.

No one is preventing her from continuing to raise funds for the DNC.  

Give speech. Cash check. Donate to the party. 

hillman, pretty sure they have a nuclear waste dump somewhere close enough to you.

in fact, can't remember or care what assback state you live in...however i heard a report about n. carolina hog famers. factory hog farms spray hog fecal matter waste the size of medium municipalities, in the AIR. to get rid of it...they spray it in the fucking air. the republicans just passed a law limiting legal resource against said hog farmers spraying pig fecal matter on citizens. black ones...but citizens....so...we all got our shit to deal with.

the dnc fucked us and themselves by their elitist corporate cock sucking as well. if bernie was at least given the VP, well it would have been a different ball game. good luck tho, as repubs are actively gerrymandering the fuck out of anything they can.

The OP reads like a Mike W post.

is there anybody here who wouldn't trade Hillary for Trump right now?

(besides Hillman, Seadope and Thom)

>Remember that time they identified her pantsuit/jacket thing as being $30k
 

Remember when that proved to be false?  Actually you probably don't.  You bought into the whole thing, hook line and sinker.  Sucker.

>She carries 100% of the blame for this nightmare trump presidency.

You can say that until you are blue in the face but it doesn't make it true. The people that voted for Trump or were against Hillary at all costs are 100% to blame.  That's kinda really how the whole election thing works. 

remember when we all made fun of 'What's Aleppo' Gary Johnson - hell, I'd trade him, or even  that kook Jill Stein for Trump.

of course I'd never vote for either of those spoiler candidates, that would plain dumb when the race was Hilldog v Cheetoface and it was obvious that Hillary was the better choice.

PS

Bernie wasn't on the general election ballot, but yes I would trade for him, in a flash.

>>>>of course I'd never vote for either of those spoiler candidates, that would plain dumb when the race was Hilldog v Cheetoface and it was obvious that Hillary was the better choice.

California chose Hillary. 

Who did you choose?

You chose a woman. I chose a woman. Neither of us gave Trump an electoral vote. 

Did you discuss politics with any swing state voters? Maybe you influenced their flip. 

you voted for your Mom?

>>>>>>Now the misogyny.  I'd probably hate women too if they were repelled by me. 

Hillman has a long history of woman hating on philzone.org

>Bernie wasn't on the general election ballot, but yes I would trade for him, in a flash.<

lol.

>>>  fuck her. She carries 100% of the blame for this nightmare trump presidency.

>>>  well her and the dnc.

Many people are to blame for the current lunatic in the white house.

But Bernie Sanders and his fans - in my book - were the perfect useful idiots for the Russian dis-information campaign.

There were systematically targeted by the Trump campaign/Russia with fake bullshit news about Clinton.

(Bernie calling Clinton evil did not help.)

so...you mean to tell me....that in SWING STATES....like the South in general, and other places where she lost marginally....that it was bernie poeple's faults?

look of course she would have been better, and way better on social issues. which matter, however her pockets are stuffed by you know who. nothing economically or militarily would have been better.

zoners posted anti hil shit, and that's why she lost, lol. mmk.

>> zoners posted anti hil shit, and that's why she lost

So THAT'S how elections work.

some people on facebook said something...

bernie won TWENTY THREE states.

23.

And what's your point?  That Hillary won more states?  

All the Hillary Haters are simply victims of the republican propaganda machine, all slanderous baseless allegations with no facts or proof to back it up. Totally understand the big GOPers believing all the BS, its the middle of the road folks that are a big disappointment, falling hook, line and sinker for the political slander.

my point is that he was/is a VERY viable candidate.he very well would have won if the nominee. even trumpers would have voted for him over hill-bot.

look, going into this. she ALREADY had a large amount of americans, for various reasons, that hated her guts. this a fact which the dnc and hill-bot supporters ignored to their own peril. stop blaming others for your acquiescence to a flawed candidate.  

Do you guys have anything to say to the Dems in office that are supposed to be working for you? 

Blaming midwest or rust belt voters might help? 

Blaming Californians makes you look...?

Flawed candidate?   Hillary vs. Trump   Who was more flawed?  Those were the ONLY 2 choices. 

Again, and I think its a broken record post, many people initially supported Bernie. When it became a FACT that he was NOT a candidate he asked his constituents to do the 'right thing' and vote Hillary.

What made you personally hate Hillary Clinton's guts Turtle?  I ask because most Americans can't explain why the hate(d) Hillary. 

As far as anyone ignoring 'to our own peril', yeah,  many of us were smart enough to discern that Trump should not be president.

>Do you guys have anything to say to the Dems in office that are supposed to be working for you? 

Blaming midwest or rust belt voters might help? 

Blaming Californians makes you look...?

Who was blaming CA voters?   

Stick to memes and non sequiturs.

>What made you personally hate Hillary Clinton's guts Turtle? <

um i don't.

i just KNOW she's status quo. that has not been going well for most americans...

just because some people saw through her charade, dosen't mean they hated her. you are intelligent enough to "get that", right?

i guess hillary should have campaigned better where she lost. the dnc and her have nobody to blame but themselves.

i've said it before, but "you guys" know....its not a popular vote election.....rrrrriiiight??

Satus quo?   Lol.  You thought that there was a panacea for all of our worries?  Someone was going to pay our bills?  Pissed at the freebies that everyone gets but you?  

Billionaire Trump was certainly the answer.  2 choices: Trump vs. Clinton

Saw through her charade?       You mean that she's a politician?  No shit. 

The 'she could have campaigned better' line is a tired excuse for anyone that didn't vote for Hillary but has buyers remorse for getting Trump. 

Hillary Hate based on unsubstantiated slander got us Trump as POTUS. That along with comey and the russains.

If she was not the dem front runner for POTUS the Benghazi slanderfest never would have happened, same with the emails.

Have to admit the GOP plan worked. Haters gonna hate.

100 mofo's !

>> The 'she could have campaigned better' line is a tired excuse for anyone that didn't vote for Hillary but has buyers remorse for getting Trump. 

Nah. 

Was this your first time voting for a loser, Jonas? 

once again....there is an electoral college.

popular vote doesn't matter.

fuck you are dense.

>once again....there is an electoral college.

popular vote doesn't matter.

fuck you are dense.

Thanks for the education Prof. Turtle.    The 'Hillary should have campaigned better' line is as tired as 'Trump did more in his first 100 days then Obama did in 8 years'.   

You mean he didn't?

she took votes and voters for granted.

she spoke down to voters and still expected their vote.

she tried co-opting bernie's points way too late. 

too bad normal people can't relate to her. 

hard to speak to the people with all those corporate cocks in her mouth...

...

can normal people relate to donald?

>um i don't.

i just KNOW she's status quo. that has not been going well for most americans...

Jesus Christ, this is the same idiocy that is going to hand the election in France to a friggin Nazi. A woman Nazi, no less. 

Turtle, you've been duped. 

>But Bernie Sanders and his fans - in my book - were the perfect useful idiots for the Russian dis-information campaign.

Do not confuse all Bernie supporters with the Bernie Bros. Most Bernie supporters knew that we needed to throw our support behind HIllary to keep Trump from winning in the general election. But yeah, every vote counts so fuck those Bernie Bros for not voting for Hillary and for spreading the Russian propaganda. 

...

That's a good one, Ender ^ 

Feel free to photo shop me as a dog  :)

...

Too much like the cowardly Lion, Ender. Try a bulldog instead of a Golden. Perhaps a pug or a frenchie. 

What is Hillary doing tomorrow or any day after that? 

i've been duped?

because i voted my conscience? 

ok.

mikew was over this weekend. you could have shared a bud with him and commiserated...

Because you fell for the Russian propaganda and the BS lies about Hilldog - and spread the BS. Anyone voting their "conscience" who gave us Trump really fucked up. 

The race was Hillary v Trump. It's not rocket science. You fucked up, and helped to screw our country (and the world) bigly. Time to admit your mistake instead of doubling down. 

Wasn't just Hardcore Sanders supporters who spread Russian propaganda, the Kremlin found another useful idiot in Jill Stein

True that ^

And let's not forget that, to Bernie's credit, he threw his support behind Hilldog and asked his supporters to do the same. Most did.

Jill Stein on the other hand played her role as spoiler candidate to a T.

>> Anyone voting their conscience really fucked up. 

Nah.

Again, the ones to blame the 48% of the eligible voters who DID NOT vote.

It was a pitiful turn-out. In real numbers, Trump had 25.8% and Clinton had 26%.

Why is no one focusing on that, and instead engaging in the same old squabbling?

>>>and spread the BS

I didn't spread any fake news. 

Who listens to a guy that cleans pools? 

hopefully you hardcore democrats/dnc get it together over the next couple years. maybe it's time to start listening/representing your base again? 

remember when hrc and the dnc cheated, then hrc chose tim kaine as VP. 

that was hilarious. 

Personally, I think that anyone who wants the be POTUS is fucked up. I don't care if it's Obama, Clinton, Trump, Bush, whomever. It takes a certain personality to even want that.

So, for me, personality aside, it comes down to governance and policy. All that other crap is tabloid fodder. 

Don't worry, guys. Gen X will be along shortly to solve the world's problems.

We've been busy organizing all the world's information into any easily accessible format, revolutionizing every aspect of modern life, and pushing the boundaries of what's possible in the human experience.

Now that we've got most of that wrapped up, we'll lower ourselves to conventional politics for a while to straighten this mess up. You're welcome. 

Also I was reminded today

of the jackass move of picking Tim Kaine as VP

by some still standing yard sign

in NE portland

I would be eternally grateful for a synopsis  of this thread.

Thanks in advance if do-able.

Non-Clinton voters are still surprised we ended up with Trump.

How could anyone in good  conscious allow Trump to become POTUS?

A woman nazi, eh?

imagine that

Surfy, I could've voted for Tickle Me Elmo and she still would've taken my state. Too bad she failed to get voters out in the states she lost, maybe she should've worked harder for those people instead of focusing on courting wealthy donors. I'm not surprised trump won after the disastrous DNC primary. If anyone's surprised it's the Hillbillies who insisted she'd win over and over despite the primary shennanigans. Just saying. Hopefully the DNC comes up with a better candidate they don't have to cheat their own voters for next time. 

Yeah, I know. I should have said "in contested states" but it was too long. She was a poor candidate who ran a poor campaign, but still better than tRump.

Maybe so, but it's hard to tell with her public and private positions just what she'd do, and her calling for bombing Syrian airfields was just so not a surprise, trump doing her bidding wasn't really a shock either since they were pals, right up to his "pied piper" candidacy.

The DNC completely screwed up pushing her. She lost to Obama in 2008, I don't know why they thought it would be a good move to run her in 2016. Hoping Gabbard/Warren ticket next time around, but they'll probably force another heinous candidate.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politics/bill-clinton-obamacare-craziest-t...

 >>>>>Gen X will be along shortly to solve the world's problems.

Lol.

Mark, I assume you realize how stupid you sound when you make these ageist pronouncements?

On the other hand, if it is supposed to be humorous I apologize and suggest you get some new material.

They needed to replace her on the bill immediately after

the video of her collapsing went viral.

it was painful to watch such a shitty campaign.

trump didn't even really want it,

but hillary just acted like she deserved it, was a shoe-in

and didn't want to be bothered with silly  things like  actually campaigning.

Take heart, Mark.  I read the other day most of us BB will be dead in 20 years or so.  

All your problems will be solved. 

Except the growing discontent from the Sub-Millenials will gradually paint your demo as the worst thing since Ebola II.

Same as it always was. 

>>>Mark, I assume you realize how stupid you sound when you make these ageist pronouncements?

It probably seems that way to a Baby Boomer. Being part of a generation collectively incapable of large scale problem solving must make our problems seem insurmountable. They're not.

Luckily for you, we'll be taking power very soon; probably best just to be humble at this point and shuffle quietly to the sidelines, where you belong. We'll take it from here, thanks.

>>>On the other hand, if it is supposed to be humorous I apologize and suggest you get some new material.

Why? Seems to be working just fine. 

Could we see the plan?

Maybe a Trump-style bulleted one pager at least?

Throw us a bone here, or it is top secret?

Are you familiar with the term "death panels", Aiq?

So not even waiting for us to croak naturally?

Would you come over to my place and handle my exit personally?

Just a caution...it might cost you.

Then good things require sacrifice.

Personal exits? I need you to think bigger here, man. 

My suggestion is to put Jimi Hendrix on a loud PA in a muddy field somewhere in upstate NY. 

You'll come, like moths to a flame. 

One advantage of kicking the bucket will be never having to hear about "Chella" again.

I wouldn't go to a muddy field in upstate NY the hear the second coming of fucking Jerry Garcia  

Besides, I heard Jimi his own self  

Only if Kimock is on the bandstand. 

And they bring a drummer. 

>>>One advantage of kicking the bucket will be never having to hear about "Chella" again

I can't blame you. Seeing Gen X put on a much better version of what the Boomers failed to do at Woodstock must be a sore spot. 

This would be so much better if you did the picture essay thing like Mayer @Deadco.

Also, I am confused.  Do we like the whole VIP, fashionista experience or not?  Seems the muddy field deal would be mo' real keeping.

>The race was Hillary v Trump. It's not rocket science. You fucked up, and helped to screw our country (and the world) bigly. Time to admit your mistake instead of doubling down<
 

i fucked up? do you not get how it works???? there is this thing called the electoral college. CA was forecasted hilldog and that she won bigly here...it would not have mattered if i voted for mickey mouse or donald duck. right? right.

once again...the race was decided in the electoral college, swing states....

ca not one of those. i live in ca....

pretty sure i did nothing to persuade people in fl or ohio to change their vote....

and what willows said.

really annoyed with pandered status quo dems and so called progressives chastising others when they really don't fucking understand what the fuck they are talking about.

The trailer:

https://youtu.be/rRLwV2xafpk

Sorry for the diversion as we try to hoist each other on our own petards  Back to you regularly scheduled, crabs in a bucket, who to blame for Trump thread.  

Looking at this in a collective consciousness manner if you spewed Hillary Hate you simply bolstered the Trumpers and the hard line GOPers, just more of the 'lock her up' gang of wackos.. Even now having a more positive outlook nationwide towards Hillary would not be good news for trumpCo.

Hate away haters.

>> Looking at this in a collective consciousness manner

You're doing it wrong.

Slippers endorsing thought crimes now? tff.

Wow. 'Wild In The Streets' looks like a really trashy 60's Baby Boomer power fantasy. Absolutely disgusting.

I realize this is difficult for the Boomers to understand, but we're not interested in some wasted chick wearing a pirate hat (watch the trailer) getting up before Congress and making an ass out of herself in front of The Man. There will be no "revolution", thanks. 

Our generation invented Google. Please move aside and allow us to do what we're awesome at, which is large scale, effective problem solving. If you're lucky, we'll fix the health care crisis you're all facing. Then we'll jump on this whole climate problem. Probably fix wealth inequality as well. Reform Wall Street. Restore the middle class. Advance our society towards meaningful human space exploration. Foster an unprecedented advancement of innovative technologies. Reestablish the dignity of this once great nation. 

Then we're all going to Coachella. The 2028 lineup is going to be sick.

Volcano Mouth, good to see you.

Wrong, Mark.  It was a laughingstock. Conceived and green-lighted by old cats (by my POV), the Greatest Generation most likely if one persists in these idiotic labels.  No one took it seriously.

Which is my point, the broad brush stereotyping really kills clear thinking.

Good luck with your grand, sweeping agenda.  It would be great if this whole innerwebz thing progressed beyond selfies, 4chan, and cheap chat board trolling.

Oh the last scene in that POS movie, Max gets a knock on his door and two very young children tell him he is old.

Get ready...they be coming for  you. I'm sure all those Google based accomplishments will dazzle the Sub-Millenials who will be making fun of your t shirts. 

The Greatest Generation didn't fear the challenges they faced; they solved them. There's a theory that, somehow, greatness skips around every other generation or so. I think that's being proved out, at least when it comes to the Greatest Gen and Gen X.

It's a pretty common narrative that every generation thinks the generation before them are a bunch of fuck ups; I get that. I would just say that in the case of the Boomers, the collective fail is so massive, it really goes beyond a standard generation gap or anything like that. It's the cold judgement of history. Harsh? Perhaps. Fair? Absolutely.

Just because the boomers have pretty much destroyed the American dream it doesn't mean there aren't still Boomers that are super rad people.  Surfdead, and AIQ being two of those.  Don't feel you have to take responsibility for the whole group.  I'd even extend an honorary Gen X labor to AIQ. 

Thanks for saying that, Timmy. I don't want people to feel like the massive failures of the Baby Boomers make all the people from that doomed generation bad people.  

I'd be willing to work out a generation trade for Aiq. Ateix also deserves honorary Gen X status.

If she announces she's running again,

i will personally go kick her in the balls.

Hillary Clinton has zero charisma when on camera.

That makes her an awful candidate who almost lost a primary to a socialist.

>>>  The Greatest Generation didn't fear the challenges they faced; they solved them.

"They solved them" by taxing the baby boomers* to pay for the retirement they did not save for themselves.

*The older the baby boomer, the more they also "stole" from younger generations when it comes to Medicare and Social Security.

Fact: almost everybody over 65 has been sucking at the tit of baby boomer and younger taxpayers, as the benefits they are extracting far exceed what they contributed.

Hillary Clinton has zero charisma when on camera.<<<

..and she's got about 230 lbs of Bubbabaggage tagging along. She lost to Obama in 2008 too, guys. Just saying, why run her again if the registered democrats didn't want her then, either. Were the 2008 dems misogynists for voting for Obama, or were the hillbillies racist hold outs? Russia elected Obama? These questions are rhetorical, chill.

CONNECT THE DOTS! (lol)

Senate Intel Chair Diane Feinstein: No Evidence Of Russia-Trump Camp Collusion (May 3, 2017)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAxaalddaqI

No dis dise-agreement with dise on the first part of the above.

As far as Trump-Russia, 100% disagreement, DiFi is playing by the book.

No, there is no un-classified evidence of collusion.

E.g.:   https://twitter.com/20committee/status/860250982831280134

From Comey's testimony this week:

I'm no fan of Feinstein, she's 100% hilarious. He asked her if they had any evidence and she said "not at this time". I personally think hillary failed for obvious reasons, no need to go looking for unicorns or WMDs, she was a terrible candidate to run in the first place.

Keep digging, Mark. I'm sure you'll get there someday.

>>>>>There's a theory that, somehow, greatness skips around every other generation or so. I think that's being proved out, at least when it comes to the Greatest Gen and Gen X.

Yes and no..The parents of the "greatest generation" - my grandparents - fought in WWI. Their kids fought in WWII. Their kids - boomers - fought in Vietnam (some of them) and started the hippie revolution (more of them). Most of our kids are Gen Y.

The other set of generations - the lost gen from between the world wars, the "Elvis" gen of the 50s, gen x, and the millennials - haven't done shit.

>>>haven't done shit

Lol

Then break out your Encyclopedia Britannica, Surf Dead.

Your "revolution" failed. Badly. Oh, and you lost Vietnam. Great job, Boomers.

I don't have any war stories. 

I was allowed to vote. 

Democracy failed? 

Good on topic article from the Washington Post Here: 

Baby boomers have been a disaster for America, and Trump is their biggest mistake yet

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/201...

"The idealists of the 1960s have come a long way from Woodstock. After a quarter- century of mismanaging the country, they have produced Donald Trump, who with his narcissistic and uncompromising style is a bright orange symbol of what went wrong with the massive generation."

"Losing" the Vietnam war was our biggest success.

In his annual letter to shareholders, JPMorgan Chase (JPM) CEO Jamie Dimon emphasized the need to start “investing in our people” and help lower-skilled workers earn a living wage.

He specifically promoted the EITC as well, to supplement low-paid workers’ incomes. For example, he explained, a single mother with two children earning $9 per hour ($20,000 per year) could get a tax credit of more than $5,000 at the end of the year.

As Dimon explained, while the program has flaws, it has brought about 9 million people above the poverty line. (For a four-person household, the income at the poverty level stands at $24,600 a year or approximately $11 an hour).

Stagnating income and limited job prospects have disproportionately affected lower-income and lower-skilled Americans, leading inequality to rise. This is reflected in the chart below from the Harvard Business School US Competitiveness Study conducted last year.

Dimon pointed out that over 20 million American workers earn between $7.25 an hour (the current federal minimum wage) and $10.10 an hour. And over 40% of American workers make less than $15 per hour.

“I believe we should dramatically expand the EITC to help more low-paid individuals with and without children, earn a living wage,” Dimon wrote in the letter.

The reason? To incentivize people to get back into the workforce.

“I have no doubt this will entice more workers back into the workforce. Jobs bring dignity,” he wrote. “Studies show once people start working, they continue working.”

In addition, he highlighted that living wages lead to less crime, more household formation and better social outcomes.

Buffett has remained pessimistic about progress being made in this regard, however.

“Clashes of that sort have forever been with us – and will forever continue,” he said in his 2015 shareholder letter. “Congress will be the battlefield; money and votes will be the weapons. Lobbying will remain a growth industry.”

While many legislators have pushed for raising the minimum wage, with more and more cities across the US roll out higher minimum wage laws, Buffett does not favor this solution. In an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal in 2015, Buffett wrote that raising the minimum wage would actually create more problems for our market system.

Instead, he offers a different way to help and incentivize struggling Americans.

“The Earned Income Tax Credit is the single best way,” Buffett said.

Watch Bill Maher totally rip on Hillary:

https://www.facebook.com/Maher/videos/10154671765852297/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

Judge Jeanine ripped on Hilldog pretty hard last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD77bkcuzMg