Housing crisis

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Anybody know who's fixing it? 

Any examples of what needs to be done?

Portland recently enacted special renter protections that force landlords to give substantial relocation assistance to tenants in the event of "no cause" evictions or rent hikes over 10%.   They are also expanding the urban growth boundary to allow the development of new housing. 

We didn't have kids...

We don't vacation in Hawaii. 

No, I don't. If anyone is fixing it - they are a tad leisurely in their pace.

We need to build more affordable housing and raise wages. Perhaps a large tax on the super wealthy?

Move out of state.

Wages, especially for low-skilled, no education required type jobs, aren't ever going to catch-up with the cost of coastal CA housing in your lifetime. 

CA lost over 20,000 dwellings to fire this year. Demand will likely not ever be met by supply in your lifetime either.

Prepare your kid well for a challenging future. The housing, jobs, environmental, and associated social crises to come will make these look like Golden Days.

This seems to be something pretty important to you Slack.

 

What kinda of ideas do you have on fixing it?

Asking employers/homeowners to pay a fair wage? 

Would you guys agree to paying a fair wage ? 

 

Do you guys own properties? 

Do you rent to low income people, couples or families? 

where does "the help" live?

how do they get in to the city?

 

We don't want to talk about that, Turtle. It ruins the taste of foodies. 

"You profit from my labor
While I feed my kids on hope"

 

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>>>Would you guys agree to paying a fair wage ? 

 

Would you consider 50K per year fair for low skill (no college degree needed) 40 hour/week job (w/medical, 401K and paid vacations and sick days)?

My wife almost made that with a degree. 

at this rate, the poor are catching up with me.

the poor need 50k sure. double that for middle class.

 

"... a household of three would have to earn between $42,000 and $125,000 to qualify as middle-class."

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/how-much-money-middle-class-families-earn-in-every-us-state.html

 

$50K is somewhere in the 62 percentile nationwide, while those who earn $125K are in the 92 percentile (8 percenters).

https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/

 

The INSANITY Of  Costs ........................

There are plenty of jobs for unskilled workers. Not enough apartments, I guess. 

oh, i see. 

CALIFORNIA

Median household income of middle-class families: $73,197

 

that is more or less, assuming 2 incomes.

assuming homes are $3k/mo....that is almost 50% of household income.

 

why are people's household incomes greater than or equal to california's in "shithole states", aka Illinois...etc. when our cost of living is so much higher due to people from shithole states moving in...

 

 

 

This is the way Gravy and his coastal elites want it. He said pollute commute or split. 

I don't see the correlation between cost of doing business and cost of living.

If we moved our business (that actually pays the wage I listed above) to bumfuck Iowa, about the only significant cost reduction would be the rent/mortgage.  And since there's a glut of commercial real estate here, it would only save us like a grand or so a month, which isn't going to add up to squat when divided by all the employees and then taxed.  


Of course, the employees would be able to have better houses there, but what long term incentives does the business have to relocate?

who wants to live more than 5 miles from the ocean?

maybe we can make 1 poor costal city in each coastal county where the normal people can live?

 

 

 

Turtle, I'd love to live close to the Ocean.

Can't afford it, so I live in North Texas.

 

Should I be taxed so that other people get subsidized living close to the Ocean?

Should people in Bakersfield pay higher taxes so that everybody else can afford to live next to the ocean?

Why is Portland and Bakersfield a third of the price of a home here? 

Slacker, all honesty, living somewhere extra special nice costs more than living in fucking North Dakota, ok?

We're not next to the ocean, kooks. Remember what Jerry said about Where Brent grew up? 

Steve, you do realize that some (most?) people don't have a $52,000 plus closing costs, or 'even' $26,000 plus closing costs, plus the added cost of mortgage insurance?

 

 

Because choads like you changed the rules about what type of home can be built? 

I happen to volunteer at Habitat for Humanity and have been since 2005.

 

One of my favorite projects was working with the future owner one day who showed up and happened to be someone I started out in construction with in 1995. He got out of the business and had some bad luck.  Putting a roof on his house with him had me smiling all day.

 

I'm also involved in a mixed use project that has 30% of the units earmarked as more affordable in an effort to address the problem of municipal workers such as teachers and police not being able to afford housing bear where they live. There is also a huge housing project closing down nearby and we want to be able to absorb some of those folks.

 

It's not a perfect system, but I'm aware of my responsibility to ::attempt:: to balance where I can. 

 

I plant trees because I butcher them all day long.

 

In full disclosure, I also pop the tops on ranches sometimes and flip them for a pretty penny to the custies in already nice neighborhoods because I like to make nicely crafted things that will last for generations and try to address more than our cooking, sleeping and protection from the elements. 

 

Architecture is an immensely satisfying career and I struggle with my relationship to it often.  It's a dynamic balance.

 

I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who cant ::survive:: without doing it though.  It'll kill ya. 

 

Slacks ..............Slow.....Down...Please..

That four bed, two bath house for $256,700 is well below market.   It's in a rough section of town (east of I-205) but still a steal.  Wonder what's wrong with it?

Funny thing about living near the ocean.   Up here, most of the coastal communities are pretty run down and economically depressed and unless you are right on the ocean, property values are generally much cheaper than in the Portland metro area.    I am sure you can find some good deals in places like Reedsport, Oregon and Aberdeen, Washington.

Before I had two kids and really had more free time, my friends and I used to enter design competitions for disaster relief housing and mobile homeless person housing for fun. 

 

I'm not saying we fixed anything and a lot if it is academic masterbation but all this is to say my head is in the game.

 

"I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd, Ringo"

The affordable cities are Trump country. 

Why is this? What are liberal homeowners voting for? 

 

If you don't have 250k for a house, you have to look where they are cheaper.

Stating facts may make me a "choad". So be it.

 

I know the East Bay, slacker, I have done a lot of work for Contra Costa County, spent a lot of time in the Green Monster in Martinez. I love the East bay, and would love to live there if I could afford it.  But I have nothing to do with local zoning, that's your fellow Californians.  I'm from Utah/Texas.

You can buy houses around me for under 100,000...but you have to live in North Texas   And if you can't afford $100,000 for a house, I sympathize, and wish we had higher minimum wages.

 

When I worked in Contra Costa, I worked with a great young lady who was a beginning lawyer, she commuted from Stockton because she couldn't afford Contra Costa, then lost her ass on her house during the housing crisis.

Life is shitty sometimes, but it's not my fault for stating facts, Slacker.

>>>>The affordable cities are Trump country. 

Detroit is pretty affordable.   They were practically giving away houses there a few years back.

I'm not just talking about buying houses, professor. 

We don't have enough apartments for the number of low wage jobs available. 

 

 <<  They were practically giving away houses there a few years back

 

I have some friends that have done a few really interesting projects with those free/$1 houses in Indy, Detroit and Baltimore. Those programs seemed more available in the early 2000s though.

 

I'm sure it continues though.

 

great opportunity if you're hungry.

Can two miminum wage workers in Texas or Utah by a home near you for $100,000?

I don’t know what to tell you, Slack. Most of the rest of the country isn’t quite as bad as California, but it isn’t perfect anywhere. A lot of people are resigned to long-ass commutes that fuck up their family lives.

I considered putting my unit on Air BnB rather than renting because I could make bank. I decided to keep renting because there are so few places in my town that are big enough for families and allow dogs.

I’ve raised the rent once in the past 5 years, all of $25 (1.9%). Taxes and flood insurance have gone up 33%, and I know I can get more but I like my tenants and want to keep them around.

I’d like to think that I’m not part of the problem.

The affordable cities are Trump country. <<<<<<<<<

 HA HA !

 

SEE _________ Slacker __Never Slows Down __ FULL     Bore. 

I bought my first house in Bend Oregon with $2500 down in 1998. Those days are long gone 

>>>   Can two miminum wage workers in Texas or Utah by a home near you for $100,000?

 

minimum wage is too low, slack:  I agree, so does just about every Democrat.  (I'm not a democrat, I'm an Eisenhower Republican/Libertarian/VotingfordemcoratsBecasueThe GOP is NUTS). Both Parties are not the same, you should keep that in mind when you call everybody out.

As to the question,

well:

IIf two minimum wage workers can afford rent around me, they can afford a $100,000 home around me.

I live less than a mile from here, I walk my dog around here regularly, it is pretty normal semi-urban neighborhood:

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Fort-Worth-TX/fsba_lt/pmf,pf_pt/ho...

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Lots of good suggestions in here Slack.

I guess you gotta ask yourself...

What do you have control of?

Does complaining about my situation help me get closer to where I want to be?

Also, you do know there isn't a housing fairy that's gonna wave a wand and boom you've got affordable housing right?

 

Time to make some moves...literally.

LOT of people moving from California to Texas.

That neighborhood above is less than 2 miles from TCU.  So there is at least some sign of intelligent life.

No ocean, but the sun shines a lot and it doesn't get very cold.

And there is an airport that can get you to either coast for lunch.

 

Plus, the more Californians move to Texas, the more blue Texas gets.

:)

I'm here to end economic segregation. Our apartment will be torn down when we leave but our child is in a ten right now. We need that. 

 

 

I do believe in fairies, Tod.

i also believe you are more douche than thou

Thank you for being you. 

Reality is tough I know Slack.

You sound angry?

If you want it, go get it!

Otherwise let it go...shits gonna eat you raw from the inside, it's cancerous man.

I have a real good feeling that if we took America's most wealthy businessmen and told them they HAD to build affordable housing, they would resist.

 

Then, we execute one on TV.

 

Bring in the next wealthy businessman and give the same directions, it would get done.

 

Yes, you heard me.

What did New York do? 

George Walker is selling his Eugene home, here's what he posted on Facebook, and the ad.  

Pranksters: Own a piece of history! Selling this Eugene house, which I have owned since 1985. Built 1910. 3 bedroom, 2 bath, plus separate apartment (converted garage) with kitchen, bedroom, bath, more. Financed by Garcias (Jerry & Carolyn), formerly occupied by Annabelle Garcia. Great neighborhood, close in town. Want to sell to do more amazing things! (New Farthur bus, writing all the stories). Make offer in $325,000 range. I will work with you!

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1594-Lincoln-St_Eugene...

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California could use a few dozen hipster housing projects. 

This is a regional ad from the link. I moved to San Francisco in 96 and worked in or near this building for $10 dollars an hour doing shipping and receiving for a print shop. I lived with my parents in a condo in Walnut Creek. 

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The tightening of bank regulations hasn't made it any easier to finance, adding another hurdle trying to meet rising prices. 

The housing problem in Salt Lake is off the charts and really affects low income folks and the elderly. Up to 2 years waiting lists on subsidized housing.

Sad to talk to a disabled woman today who's living in her truck. I wished I had a solution for her. It's frustrating.   

I know a vet who has a housing voucher for $872. His landlord is trying to kick him out. The voucher amount means he's supposed to find housing where $872 would cover the rent AND utilities.  

Slack, we live in Lamorinda and no...  there are no single family homes under a mil.  Yet we still live here.  And root for the Dodgers :).

Wish the ocean was closer but still not too shabby. 

they are building tons of high density apts/condos here. 

they ain't putting poor folk in there...

After the housing boom in Asheville, NC.

City Council imposed a requirement for new housing complexes to contain a percentage of affordable housing units,

mainly because we're a service industry based city and service industry workers couldn't afford to live in the city.

 

That being said, more needs to be done.

I live in a neighborhood in Santiago which is technically upper class, even though my house is 120 m2, meaning it's small. Small yard, small everything, but in a safe nice kind of neighborhood. Chilean average salary is about 800 dollars a month. My house is worth about 270,000 USD. In other words, in Chile, if you're not in the top 5% of the economic layer cake, there's basically no chance of you ever owning a home. 

And Chile is the richest country per capita in the W. hemisphere after US, Canada, Panama, Trinidad, and St. Kitts.

That NY Times ad - 181 Fremont is the brand new tower close to the Salesforce Tower and is mostly leased by Facebook and the condos there are the highest lux you can get for new. The priciest penthouse in SF is in that building. 

In SF all condo projects must have 15-20% below market rate (for sale, not rent - that's a different program). It's a Mayor's Office Of Housing program. I know because we qualified and won a good lottery number and bought one. Needed it since I was getting the boot from my old apartment.

There are about 12 new buildings going up within 2 blocks of where we live, including the old Honda dealership/Fillmore West building. Someone absolutely BOMBED the building over the weekend with a massive graffiti tag the length of the entire top floor.  

Building new projects has been the subject of much debate in San Francisco. Anyone wanting to learn about the current issues can start by googling

YIMBY Action 

Scott Weiner SB 35

These are centrist pro-development folks who got crushed in the recent local election with their desire to build everywhere close to public transit, regardless of neighborhood or demographics.

Meanwhile, in Japan, people have stopped having sex, resulting in a rapidly declining birth rate and lots of abandoned homes.   There are so many abandoned homes in some parts of the country, they are giving them away:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/asia/japan-vacant-akiya-ghost-homes/index...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-sex-problem-demograp...

 

    

What's the minimum wage in Japan? Will it cover one of those pod hotel rooms and some food? 

Be curious to see if any of those homes are in Tsunami prone areas, near nuclear disasters, volcanoes, or mudslides....    

848 Yen ($7.49 usd) per hour.    If they are giving away homes, should be enough.

I wonder how much the commute would cost. 

>maybe we can make 1 poor costal city in each coastal county where the normal people can live<

 

Not a city , but it's waterfront

 

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McKinleyville is pretty poor in california costal...

our child  <<<

What A Great Father Slacker ! Who  Spends 20 Hours A Day On Viva ? WTF ? nono

Every Time You Post YOU Are Missing Out  On Time With Your Child = REMEMBER THAT ! POS !!

His sitting next to me doing homework. He has a learning disability. 

Learning came easier for me. Teaching isn't as easy. 

Doing his homework for him would be easier but then he wouldn't be as smart as you.

Turtle, I almost bought a house in McKinleyville in 1969 or '70. I think it was priced at $6000, but might have been less.

good thing you didn't judit, its a shithole.

1/2 burned out meth trailers...its pretty messed up.

Inglewood is 7 miles from the beach, but a world apart.

It wasn't a great place back then, either, just maybe affordable. There were trees between houses, are there still?

Not sure about McKinleyville, but I love Blue Lake. Cute houses, a great brewery...... I'm sure it suffers from some of the same problems

Crescent City another cheap CA coastal town if you don't mind the tsunami threat (and meth blight)

Elizabeth Warren doubles down on affordable housing legislation

Along with Rep. Cedric Richmond, Sen. Warren introduced a House companion to the American Housing and Economic Mobility Act

https://www.curbed.com/2018/12/11/18136027/elizabeth-warren-affordable-h...

they be gentrifying inglewood

get the fuck out!

 

 

No, seriously, you got to get the fuck out.

Now.

Fixing climate change is more important than housing. 

^yes.

you need to ask your governor about the housing situation 

I left Gavin a message. 

I told him we need a high speed train to save the environment from housing. 

^what answer are you looking for,  Slack?

The housing crisis in California needs to addressed at the state and local level,  the feds aren't coming to the rescue. 

Notsauce

Tom, is housing an issue in New Jersey? 

What are your local politicians doing about it? 

I could use your feedback when I call my local pols.

 

 

 

 

Instead of incessantly complaining about the Bay Area’s housing crisis and your situation, you might consider spending some time researching current options for low and moderate income housing in your area, serving on a housing commission or other community group that is already advocating for affordable housing, and partnering with government agencies and other groups to provide it to people in need. local government officials already know there’s a shortage. Figure out how you can be part of the solution. 

 

or you can spend countless hours on a drug  band web site.

 

This agency (link below) has some info for you about where to find affordable housing in your community. Some communities are better at providing affordable housing than others. No, I’m not going to do your homework for you, or answer any more of your inane questions. Not telling you what to do either, just offering suggestions to help. there are options out there if you put in the time and energy, you’ll find them. 

http://www.hellohousing.org/

 

 

 

>>>or you can spend countless hours on a drug  band web site talking about Russia or Ryan Adams

 

or housing. 

I don’t really care what happens to Ryan Adams, I own a home and trust Mueller and our intelligences will deal with Russia interfering in our government affairs.  

 

While I do advocate for affordable housing in my community, no doubt the situation is bleak at times because there is definitely a shortage. savvy people though manage to make it work because they’ve done their homework. Often just volunteering with those who build affordable houses - Habitat for Humanity, for example - can lead to positive affordable housing search results. 

 

What you missed was that there are housing agencies that can help you if you really want to find affordable housing. I think you like whining more.

“If we want a California for All, we have to build housing for all,” Newsom said during his address. “I want to support local governments that do what’s right, like Anaheim and Santa Rosa. But there must be accountability for those that don’t.”

i guess we need homes more than a train.

Oregon is on the verge of becoming the first state in the Union with statewide rent control.   Under the new bill which seems certain to pass, landlords can only raise rent 9% per year and would ban "no cause" evictions after the first year of a tenancy.  Portland already has passed local renter protection ordinances which require landlords to provide hefty relocation assistance to tenants when they raise the rent by more than 10% or issue a "no cause" eviction.

Opponents of the law say that landlords will be scared off from renting places and the law will result in an unintended shortage of rental housing.   

>>or you can spend countless hours on a drug  band web site.

 

This. Guy could have a college degree and a new career by now....

Reinvent yourself, Slacker, it’s very Californian. 

> is housing an issue in New Jersey? <

 

Not really.  Home prices are down.  Property taxes are the issue. 

 

Here's one guy's perspective...   https://www.kqed.org/perspectives/category/perspectives

 

A little on what Newsom is doing...

https://www.kqed.org/news/tag/tcrarchive/

 

 

 

 

I think we need economic diversity in every community. 

My wife is college educated. She was a teacher. She couldn't afford to keep teaching. 

She is still underpaid because of sexism and cronyism. 

My jobs are housekeeping, landscaping, home repair, mover, painter, tutor, mentor, chef, shopper, bookkeeper, security consultant and coach. 

 

Let's ask Manny Machado what he thinks .

>>> security consultant 

You work for Blackwater on the side?

Knoticeme

Blackwater has been closed for awhile, it's Triple Canopy now.

Konnotesaur

Put more directly, in order to solve the climate crisis, we have to solve the housing crisis.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/25/opinion/california-home-prices-climat...

my rent has gone up every year.

why didn't people vote for the rent control?

Fuck Rent control, and fuck the Gov’t telling me what I can do with my land.

lol

Not everyone lives outside their means in SoCal, and not everyone needs Gov’t assistance in their housing.

Which workers belong in which cities? 

where should i go?

what are my means?

how far should i commute?

but go ahead and plow your 1950's bungalo and put up 12 condos and charge $4/k a mo for them. it's your land.

house flippers too...

it's ok rackett, i'm in a union also, i believe... and will be getting something after 4 years of bad faith negotiations and litigation.

i'll pay gladly pay to live where the fuck i want...as long as i am able.

 

 

>Which workers belong in which cities?<

 

Come on, Slack, you know that it is all about the profit. Not enough money in providing housing for lower income folks. Need to find effective incentives for builders and landlords.  Personally, i believe rent control is a disincentive for landlords. I understand the rationale, but i wouldn't want to own a rent controlled property. 

I’m wrestling with raising the rent on my rental, just a measly $25 p/m. It’s been the same for two years, flood insurance has gone up over 25%, $700 or so, and taxes have gone up over 33%, $1,100. The unit is very fairly priced, and will still be with a $25 increase. I just hate raising the rent.

Being a landlord isn’t as great as some think it is.

For reference, it’s 1,450 sq/ft, 2 story, 2 br plus office, 1 bath, and I allow dogs. Tenants get free WiFi and whatever they want out of the garden. Current tenants estimated that it saved them hundreds in food costs last year. It’s also on the most desireable street in a very desireable town. 

$25, that's nice bk.

mine is raised annually $100.

 

Words on a bronzed plaque somewhere around 19th hole:

housekeeping, landscaping, home repair, mover, painter, tutor, mentor, chef, shopper, bookkeeper, security consultant and coach. 

$100 a year? That’s nuts! I’ve raised my rent a total of $100 in the last 8 years combined.

For what it’s worth, I only started collecting a security deposit 4 years ago. 

I’ve decided not to raise it this year. Maybe next. I have great tenants and want them to stay. Not that they’d leave over $25, but fuck it. 

yeah, she's a bitch.

the sad thing is we are still like $2-300/mo under market...

 

It just says husband and father, Gravytrain. It's a small plaque. 

 

Turtle, You live in one of the most expensive places in Southern California.  So yea, no pity when you’re bitching about rent.  You could move, you know?

There are deals to be had near the coast.    Long Beach for example  or San Pedro.  Ghetto, no waves, but cheap.  I’m not so sure that would fit into your OC lifestyle though.

i left Santa Barbara because I knew I would NEVER own in that town.  When are you going to see that you’re never going to own in your town?  

Sucks paying rent out of your social security check, brah,

My OC lifestyle?

What is that?

Could move, sure? I still need to get to work. More than 30mins commute is not how I want to live.

I know long beach has come a long way but, yeah I have no desire to own a condo in in that dump.

Have thought about Pedro. My family has been there since the 50s and extended family since the 40s...I like it and there is surf...just the non dangerous places are just as expensive...

I am ok with the choices I made. But everywhere is pretty much expensive.

Oside is getting the treatment now...

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