I am against paperless tickets
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I have never had a problem with a good old paper/cardboard ticket. Yeah, you can forget them but that's on you. Although I haven't done any paperless tickets, I know plenty of people that have had all sorts of problems like poor internet connection not allowing them to open, codes that scan invalid and numerous other things.
Now, Madison Square Garden, as well as other venues, are doing facial scans, along with the paperless tickets to have a database that cross references other databases to see if you are who you say you are, thwart possible violent incidents, etc. Some acts are saying no, but many are just going with the flow. At Madison Square Garden they are denying entry if you are a "perceived" threat to the performer/venue/venue owner. Basically they can invalidate entry for critical internet posts. Of course, it's only a matter of time that law enforcement with have access as well in deals to use their databases for threats. Go to a show and not only are you denied entry, but the police show up to arrest you for an outstanding warrant.
I'm a member of the United Musicians and Allied Workers (UMAW) and you can read more on what we are trying to do to make the music biz a better place for all. You can learn more about the above issue and others at https://weareumaw.org/
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zzzzzz
I miss my stubs. Although
I miss my stubs. Although they just sit in a box. At least they remind me where I went.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway
Basically they can invalidate
aaaaaaaaand thats why every post ive ever made on the internet has been anonymous
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
Privacy is non-existent in
Privacy is non-existent in this day and age. If you don't like it, ditch your phone and move to a cabin in the woods. That's the reality of living in the 21st Century.
That being said, not a fan of the ticketless entry. Had several times where my app didn't work and I am standing at the gate fucking around with my phone trying to get it to work. I have found that if you bring a printout showing the transaction number, you can almost always take it to the customer service window and get an old fashioned paper ticket printed for you. I like keeping paper ticket stubs, so will do that whether my phone is working or not so long as the line at the customer service isn't crazy long.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Utahjim
I choose will call whenever
I choose will call whenever the option is presented online. It is not always there but the last 3 of 5 shows I have been to I was able to do will call and have a paper ticket. We saw Seth Meyers last night at Symphony Hall, no will call option.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
It's actually easier to just
It's actually easier to just stop giving your money to the security state
choosing instead to support local artists and venues
and then go dance and have a great time
no cognitive dissonance required
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
Yes, send me a goddamned
Yes, send me a goddamned ticket. Thanks to your organization Tony, for working on this. Since when should concert promoters have this much info and make stuff so hard.
The whole thing is outta hand. AXS was a real pain in the ass to deal with (like no response) on a ticket exchange. Luckily, no line at the local venue box office and the folks were cool.
Grand Targhee just started some bullshit. New owners are a-holes. Not only are prices sky high, you have to provide name and birthday of the ticket buyer AND for the Aug 10th festival, any ticket exchanges have to be completed by July 27th. (That's 2 weeks before the festival.) Forget selling an extra paper ticket at the venue like I did one year.
"All tickets are non-refundable. If you are unable to make it, you can transfer your ticket to someone else. The last day to transfer your ticket is 7.27.23 at 4:00 PM MST. To transfer your ticket, you must email [email protected]. Please provide your first and last name, confirmation number, first and last name, date of birth and email of the person you are transferring the ticket to. If we do not receive all of this information, we cannot complete a ticket transfer.
Bring your email confirmation and photo ID to the Ticket Booth at the resort to receive your festival wristbands. All guests from your order must be present at the time of check-in."
After the first 1,000 tickets were sold, price went to $400 for a 3 day - 13 act festival. 5 PM start on Friday 1 PM on Saturday, and the last of 4 acts on Sunday starts at 4:15, but advertising "3 full days of music." Camping and lodging is sold out. It was $240 for a camping spot out in a field in one of our National Forests (public lands?) Before COVID, I splurged and made a res for the hotel there for the next year's fest. $800 for 4 nights if you book before the festival is over. Just for S & G, I called the other day and a woman quoted me $2,038, but no rooms available.
Targhee used to be so cool. Been going for over 20 years. Many friends saying this is the last one for them. I may still wrangle a way to make it, but damn.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
Basically they can invalidate
Unless you are using random anonymizing VPNs within VPNs AND have hacker level skills, you can be traced for under $100 by many outlets. While you may think you are anonymous, you actually aren't.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
the billy strings show i just
the billy strings show i just saw was like this. took my buddy...well the dumb tix are on my phone. dude at top had some power trip asking for tickets every time someone passed to go to the seats. mind you, you walk in from the top and drop down into the bowl....EVERYONE's seats are that way. if you are in the venue, you have a fucking ticket. people carrying beers...yeah let me dig out the phone while carrying $30 worth of beer. my friend just laughed at him and continued on.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
At MSG they are already using
At MSG they are already using facial recognition to bar entry to any employee of a law firm that is representing a client who is suing MSG. Happened to a mom bringing her kids to the Radio City Christmas show which MSG runs because she worked at the law firm.
And for opting out and only going to small shows in Sacramento they scan the mag strip on your license to get into just about any bar in town. That scan is run by a private company that stores and "monetizes" the data. All it takes is one bar to put you in the data base and you can't go out anywhere. They also freely share the information with law enforcement.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
use a passport ^
use a passport ^
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Tim
Just last night I had to
Just last night I had to settle a dispute over how many times we saw Les over the years
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
>>>Unless you are using
>>>Unless you are using random anonymizing VPNs within VPNs AND have hacker level skills, you can be traced for under $100 by many outlets. While you may think you are anonymous, you actually aren't.
And do it all from a public library, also don't take your cell phone with you to the library since we all carry I nice tracking device around with us. Then even if you leave your cell phone at home and drive to the library your car will most likely track you too.
The entire surveillance infrastructure was put in place all while people said it's just helps companies show me ads that I'm interested in so it's fine by me.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB
>they scan the mag strip on
>they scan the mag strip on your license
UT has been doing that for years and more recently at the state operated & controlled ABC "liquor stores" too but I am not aware of any "shit list" factor for clubs and bars although law enforcement does have full access to the data.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: JP (J Bomb)
Printed tickets? Shame on you
Printed tickets? Shame on you Tony.
- Sincerely Greta Thunberg
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor
SO MUST BUY A SMART PHONE TO
SO MUST BUY A SMART PHONE TO SEE A SHOW IN THE FUTURE!?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: 2 Room Shack
some shows are also cashless.
some shows are also cashless...
poor bartenders
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
^ That's what gets me,
^ That's what gets me, Doolittle. I didn't have a cell for years until I retired a couple of years ago and my work let me buy my work phone for $75. You shouldn't need a cell phone to go to a concert.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nevermind
> poor internet connection
> poor internet connection
The LA Greek is in an area that has almost non-existent service. I recently discovered that the venue has an open WiFi network, but that doesn't seem to be something they make known.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
And according to all the
And according to all the security experts you should never connect to public wifi
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD
I'm with BSS. Screw the big
I'm with BSS. Screw the big shows. And if I have to do LN/TM, I'll miss that show too. Not so important anymore.
Lots of great music at small local venues.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
I hear those who have posted
I hear those who have posted about going to small shows. Unfortunately, those venues may be in the same boat in short order. A number of states are thinking about mandating facial recognition devices in any location that serves alcohol. Local bars, restaurants, clubs; etc. The only way this won't be happening is if enough people make a big enough stink and let politicians know that a vote for these things mean a no vote for them.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB
>LA Greek is in an area that
>LA Greek is in an area that has almost non-existent service
True Dat. Their open network either sucked or was too bogged down to work as well (Steven Stills Light Up the Night show back in April) and I practically had to cough up a DNA sample to get them to print a paper ticket for me, an action which was still done very reluctantly.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: donster
Last Christmas my 30-some kid
Last Christmas my 30-some kid asked how many Yankees games we had attended together. 20 mimnutes later, he had his answer