I think Bloomberg is gonna get under Donald's orange skin

He might be good an insulting and pissing off Trump, but can he beat him come November?

If there's one positive that Bloomberg can have, it's to push Trump to the point of being a raving lunatic. Go, Mikey!

> push Trump to the point of being a raving lunatic<

He's already a raving lunatic, has been for years 

I think Bloomberg is a racist.

He might be good an insulting and pissing off Trump, but can he beat him come November?

Absolutely he can and will.

poor p-heater :(

Two rich, loud-mouthed New Yorkers.

W.C. Fields would have them fight it out with socks filled with horse manure at Madison Square Garden.

Michael Bloomberg now has the endorsements of three members of the Congressional Black Caucus. On Wednesday, a day after the former New York mayor again faced questions about his previous support for stop-and-frisk policing practices, Reps. Lucy McBath of Georgia, Gregory Meeks of New York and Stacey Plaskett of the Virgin Islands made no mention of the controversial policing practice that took place during Bloomberg's mayoralty in their endorsement statements.  Bloomberg apologized for his support for the practice when he entered the race late last year, but comments from 2015 that surfaced earlier this week in which he defended stop and frisk in stark terms renewed attention on the controversial part of his New York legacy.

"Mike gave grieving mothers like me a way to stand up and fight back," McBath, whose 17-year-old son Jordan Davis was shot and killed by a white man in 2012 after a dispute over loud music, said in a statement. "Nobody running for president has done more for the gun violence prevention movement than Mike."  Bloomberg has long advocated for greater gun control measures and has spent millions on the cause.

all those who are running should take note here. you need to get down in the mud and personally dirty to best a pig

the Bros get that... does the Bern?

ned needs to be told who to vote for. 

and lol at centrists supporting oligarchs, and racist ones at that. 

>>>>Bloomberg has long advocated for greater gun control measures and has spent millions on the cause.

Two-edged sword.  Might appeal to suburban soccer moms, but don't know how that will be received in rural Michigan and Pennsylvania.  

brother Heat, you see value in these tactics tho, yes?  

potus is so shallow and so easy to distract.  you gotta bait him like this all the while buttoning into a very confident troll when doing so.  not sure bloomberg has the moxie to keep this asymmetrical fight going

thats why I like the Bros.  they are like the inglorious bastards.  they are into beating down and killin nazis (in this case the fascism is maga) and give zero fucks what you think of them or there tactics  

>Might appeal to suburban soccer moms, but don't know how that will be received in rural Michigan and Pennsylvania.  <

Bloomberg's gun control efforts are extremely unpopular in rural Pennsylvania, but that's Trump country anyway. 

Dems need PA, OH, MI, WI

>>and lol at centrists supporting oligarchs, and racist ones at that. 
 

Whether you agree or not, it's kind of important to understand what where people are coming from. For instance, you say that a vote for anyone but Bernie is a vote for more of the same. At the same time, millions of people don't see it that way. To them, every one of the candidates, including Bloomberg, would be a huge change from what we have and would be infinitely better. While you see them supporting a racist oligarch, they see it as supporting the best chance to get rid of Trump.

I get it, you hate them all and think they are all the same. While you're looking at fixing a major, systemic problem, others are looking at stopping the bleeding.

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that it's all opinion. I also know that you can write in Bernie in Vermont and it won't matter. If you were still in PA, a swing state that will come down to a few thousand votes, and did that, you sure as hell would be keeping Trump in office.

Honest question, ogkb, do you think that they are all as bad as Trump? I ask because that's the vibe you put off.

Slackers brain is slack 

chlorine??

not sure if he is a racist

Observe that he has been spinning out of orbit recently 

am I wrong

Correct

bernie or bust

may mean bust

stopping the bleeding is the highest priority 

my "psychobabble" for now oh ye with opinion 

(From a citizen raised as a liberal with a hint of radical FYI)

Guy posts damning photo of Bloomberg hanging out with trump. Trump retweets it, so the guy changes his twitter handle to BERNIE BEATS TRUMP. lol

https://twitter.com/CANCEL_SAM/status/1227235806164725765

https://god.dailydot.com/bernie-beats-trump-tweet/

Stop and frisk certainly turned out to be racist even if that result wasn't in bloomberg's initial thought process.

Bloomberg blames minorities for the recession. 

Bloomberg is the UNITER the Dems need right now. We need a candidate who will protect the struggling, working people of the billionaire class and to further raise drug costs & college tuition to help us continue beating down the poor.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1227184459990040576

Someone imagined this debate response.

I'm shawt?  So?  Yaw fat.

And yaw not a billionaire.

Remember voting green takes care of the problem.

CARNIVAL BARKING CLOWN it is perfect

I'm Bloomberg want to spend a cool billion to troll the fuck out of Trump, drive him crazy, and push him over the edge to a public melt, I'm all for it. 

oligarch vs oligarch ( nod dL)

If you consider trump an oligarch? lol
 

Why is bloombergs money not being questioned?
his game is stronger, more cerebral than any

Let's talk about his his money

*sorry libertarians*

go get 'em wolf.

^" If Bloomberg wants to spend a cool billion to troll the fuck out of Trump, drive him crazy, and push him over the edge to a public melt, I'm all for it."

(((( chuckle))))

Best post of the year

And I trust Bloomberg to spend another billion helping whoever gets the nomination. He wants Trump gone as much as the rest of us, and has the cash to throw around. More power to him,  even if he manages  to get enough votes to be the Democratic nominee (please no though). Yes, Bloomberg is still a better choice than Trump (please no though).

More cash to the Democratic primary winner please and more cash toward defeating Trump and driving him (more) nuts. 

We all hope the same. 

 Maybe he could spare a few million and put  Bloomberg Towers in Gold on a former Trump property?

 I mean, we're the masters of trolling here, what else you folks got?

All he has to do is keep saying that Trump isn't a billionaire, that he's a failed businessman, and that's why he won't release his tax returns. Then, maybe a comment or two about how Ivanka isn't as desireable as her daddy thinks she is.

He'll publicly lose it after a while.

need to get more small penis commentary from the laundry list of non-disclosure agreement ladies and see if any of that russian kink in the steele dossier is for realsies

Bloomberg wants to stop and frisk every black man in the nation

da unicorns

Tom stayers talks better smack.

Stayer has been doing the anti Trump thing for years. It sounds good, but bounces of Trump's back. It gets to him when Bloomberg does it.

Bloomberg needs to stop jabbing and unleash the wrath of his $60 billion on Donnie; turn him in to a sniveling twat in front in front of the entire nation. 

Seems that the bros hate Bloomberg as much as Trump. 

Do they really hate Trump? I haven't heard that sentiment. The hate is for the Democrats.

No one outside of NY and LA is going to vote for Bloomberg, IMHO.

Heater, the bruh from oc, and the pool cleaner are, as Lenin would say, “useful idiots.”

Do you know what stop and frisk was, JR? If not then google it

https://t.co/ZtDiM6eUee?amp=1

bloomberg is trump. 

centrists support trump 2.0? of course they do, right woz? 

64 different women. 40 lawsuits. who here supports this? raise your fucking hand. 

please, explain how'll you justify supporting this incredible unvetted oligarch, that is interfering in our elections in a corrupt manner. go ahead, please. thank you. 

trump crushes this loser. 

<<<>>>And I trust Bloomberg to spend another billion helping whoever gets the nomination. He wants Trump gone as much as the rest of us

bwahahahahaha. on man, so fucking stupid. wow. 

oh look, boner boy from the lbc is still at it.

racket, post some more trump meme, you little bitch. 

racket will vote trump, he'll pull the trigger for trump over bernie. 

racket is very stupid. 

>bloomberg is trump<

This statement demonstrates that you do not understand the existential threat posed by Trump.

Everyone but Bernie is Trump.

Ogkb, can you please stop demeaning people who have different opinions than you? Enough with calling people stupid and ignorant. You aren't an expert in politics or the the economy, nor are you a fortune teller. Stop with the shit, would you?

tooltod called me ignorant as fuck. he's on your team.

and bk that is not true. nobody has said that but you.

bk, can you please tell everyone else the same? jesus man. 

but, guys, keep deflecting -- 64 woman, 40 lawsuits. trump 2.0. 

and also, bk, i've never said that. don't put words in my mouth. now you're acting like thod. 

What team's that, Turts? I've yet to decide who I'm voting for, but I have said who I won't vote for in the primary. Bernie is not on that list.

Those who say that a vote for anyone but Bernie is a vote for "more of the same" is saying that they are all the same. Is there another way to look at it, especially if they won't vote for anyone else in the general?

>What team's that, Turts? <

the naysayers?

where's ned?

i'll vote for whoever comes out of the dem party unless its that republican schiester plutocrat bloomberg. fuck that guy.

Interesting. Have I been a naysayer, at least in recent weeks? I'm trying to be open and objective.

My confidence in my own predictions is for shit at this time. The thought that Trump would resign crossed my mind once.

I'll vote for whoever comes out of the dem party unless its that republican schiester plutocrat bloomberg. fuck that guy.

Sounds like you'll be sitting out the next election.....

well if that's the "choice"....then yeah, it really doesn't matter.

go ahead and keep holding the country back for 99% of it's citizens though. it's cool as long as you are still able to afford $500 seats...

It's getting Trump out, and I'm not holding anything back, the Democrats aren't going to nominate Bernie and Bloomie is most definitely not Trump. Typical "Bernie Bro" talk that it doesn't matter. It does.

Bernie is going to alleviate $500 seats also!?  Fucking A he really is the messiah! 

what would be his policy differences?

bust more black people?

Gun Control, Climate Change, taxes.......the whole works. Why don't you go and read about the platform the is running on. The fact that you think his policies would be the same as Trump's reveasl an individual who has done no research or even engaged in a critical analysis of the situation.

https://www.mikebloomberg.com/getting-it-done?gclid=CjwKCAiAp5nyBRABEiwA...

no thanks. 

there are many other more qualified candidates.

not into a dick measuring competition among the elites.

how many "delegates" does he have?

people tell me this is how it works.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/when-stop...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/11/bloomberg-trump-tw...

Turtle likes Tom Steyer.  

The guy that made his billions on coal and fossil fuels in indo and oz.

The guy that kept his hedge funds overseas to avoid paying taxes.

The guy that opens “non profit” bank to further avoid paying taxes.

But hey his commercial says he will save the world so he must be alright.

NEW: two members of DNC rules committees are simultaneously working on Mike Bloomberg's presidential campaign. One was just nominated by DNC Chair Tom Perez to be a vice-chair of the Convention Rules Committee.

https://twitter.com/Sludge/status/1225110567888871425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etf...

yeah no problems here....

and the dems wonder why they lost the last election...

i "like" tom styer...lol. 

move to where the air quality is better, you're brain damaged.

re; mikebloomberg dot com - i see nothing in the foreign policy section about bringing our troops home or ending the decades long US policy of economically motivated regime change war, i see he wants to continue the US's failed prohibitionist drug policies by banning flavored vapes, instead of any mention of citizens united or concrete campaign finance reform i see a list of tropes and platitudes strung together to have as wide an appeal and be as noncommittal as possible, his healthcare plan just expands on the ACA, leaving the for profit health insurance industry intact, and like the ACA, leaving middle class americans in the lurch. the opioid epidemic section is like a draconian tour through 1990's american drug policy - not a single mention of narcan, a teeny tiny mention of methadone and bupe at the bottom, no mention of any of the proven ways countries/states have effectively combated opioid addiction/overdose, like cannabis legalization, drug decriminalization, supervised injection sites, needle exchange programs, or ibogaine. just a tiny section on criminal justice reform that says basically nothing, offers no ideas or solutions, and does not even fleetingly mention ending cannabis prohibition, changing our drug policies to a treatment based model, the prison industrial complex, police corruption/brutality or prison reform.

if you want to vote for bloomberg go right ahead, ill just be over here jamming my wiener in this meat grinder.  

Do I really have to look up the quote?

it was sarcastic.

maybe i should highlight sarcasm for you so you don't have to waste excess mental energy?

Sure it was.  You’ve said it multiple times.  

Racket thinks he's going to win. Look it up, dude! Don't quit. 

Tom Steyer surging in South Carolina. Now I'm excited.

If I ran for president would any of you vote for me? 

 as desireable as her daddy thinks she is.

He'll publicly lose it after a while.<<<<  Awesome BK thanks

____..

Steyer has spent 18 million in SC on ads.  Next in line The Mayor has spent about 2 million.  Biden under a million.

Steyers wife actually just moved to SC from CA. Hahaha 

No democrat is going to get enough delegates come convention time.

This is going to cause full melt here on the zone.

cant wait.  What a shit show.

I'd vote for briank - seems more level headed than most zoners. Stays on topic, politely gets point across, not overly vulgar. How ya look on a billboard ?  Not too baby frightening ? 

>“I talked to somebody from the Bloomberg campaign, they said they’re hiring an expert on narcissism and combining that — no, this is for real — and combining that person with a comedy writer to get in Donald Trump’s head,” Couric reported.

awesome to see centrists like woz supporting an oligarch. really says a lot about you imo. 

also, what happened to believing the woman, guys? hahahaha. fucking hypocrites. 

and to cheer on a racist nyc billionaire b/c you think he can troll trump, is just fucking sad. damn. 

Yeah, as sad as punching a Nazi. 
 

cry me a river, BernieBrat

https://mondoweiss.net/2020/02/bloomberg-defied-a-flight-ban-to-show-sup...

^^lol. too stupid to even reply to your nonsense. 

Yes. Yes, you are.

Bloomberg should hire me.

^ And get him some platform shoes. He's like the political Mickey Rooney, but not as entertaining. His monotone voice is sooooo boring. Someone teach him to use some range fer Christ's sake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_fDcNkMzno&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR...

there, you can watch a much more articulate person annihilate the idea of bloomberg...

If Mexico defaults on it's payment for the Wall, then who pays for it? Trump? Roger Waters?

If college students default on their loans who pays for it? Bloomberg? Sanders?

The deficit fairy.

Bloomberg is in Chicago meeting with Obama's pals.   Boy, that would suck for O'Biden if Obama ends up backing Bloomberg.

Text "Mike" to 80510

In another attempt to drain the swamp  Donald Trump has just fired The Great Pumpkin. Trump reasons " He's a pale orange compared to me,and a socialist  that gives free candy to children on Halloween. Next up Santa Claus?

LOLOL

is this the "i support an oligarch" thread? 

anyway, centrists (and oligarchs)  are in trouble guys .......... so is trump:

https://www.politicaldata.com/2020-primary-election-tracker/

reality.

im just imagining mike and his campaign team running around maing sure he has that black baby.

"carl, did you secure the black baby?"

"we've got one that we are 50/50 on and we are working on a backup baby sir"

"DAMMIT CARL, i dont need the whole breakdown, JUST FIND ME MY BLACK BABY!"

Why doesn't Bernie ever take pictures with black people?

New England is pearls and utopian dreams

"i hate trump, he's literally the worst, he's racist and sexist"  

bloomberg is a racist and sexist. nobody read the article above (64 women, 40 lawsuits......woz supports this, doesn't believe woman).

"i hate trump for implementing the muslim ban, argh!" 

bloomberg had the nypd spy on nyc muslims. 

centrists -- how do you explain supporting this?

he just wants to keep the taxes low for his boys, trash the unions, cut ss, push privatization, throw more black people in prison for being black. 

if you support this you're a republican -- which is fine, but don't kid yourself into thinking he represents the working class or even the democratic party -- this isnt the progressive working class policy people are screaming for, that'll defeat trump. this is more of the same. this is a weak campaign designed to help republicans (trump) and hurt bernie. he's an oligarch, indisputable. think. 

facts.  

Bloomberg was a life long republican up until 2019, lol. Really not much more needs to be said

You are incorrect, Timpane. Bloomberg was a life long Democrat, switched to Republican in 2001, then independent in 2007, then back to Democrat in 2018

Pyramid,  Bloomberg has said that he will spend a billion dollars to defeat Trump, even if he not the democratic nominee.  I'm guessing that you don't believe him, or just unaware of his statement. 

>>>>or just unaware of his statement. 

I'm aware of his racist statements. 

lumber 

i see you ignore bloomberg's racist, sexist statements. i'm guessing that behavior is acceptable to you.  

replacing one racist sexist billionaire w/ another racist sexist billionaire, fixes nothing. just b/c he'll make you feel like shit isn't as crazy, doesn't mean it's not. he's smarter than trump, which makes him more dangerous. 

bloomberg is a 78 year old racist republican w/ stents. hahaha. facts. 

Not at all, Pyramid. 

Not sure where I advocated for any  particular candidate.

 I just corrected an incorrect assertion from Timpane.

 I mentioned Bloomberg's statement regarding spending a billion dollars to defeat Trump to refute your nonsense that Bloomberg is out to help Trump.

To be clear, I'll vote for the Democratic nominee.  I'd even vote for your foolish behind, if you were the democratic nominee 

>i'm guessing that behavior is acceptable to you<

Still a passive aggressive sanctimonious prick,  I see.

     Lumber, will you tell us more about Russia and the Mueller report?  

     All kidding aside, you may want to stop whatever you're doing and watch this clip of Steve Bannon discussing the Bloomberg/Clinton situation, it's an enlightening take on the current scenario.

     Sunday Morning Futures with Maria Bartiromo 2.16.2020

     https://youtu.be/nYVLg5ASN9w

Lumber truck is obviously just willing to elect another old racist white male billionaire. Sorry you can't see that.

No, Timpane, I am unhappy with all of the Democratic candidates.  However, they all are better than Trump.  

Again,  I was just correcting your uninformed assertion regarding Bloomberg's party affiliation.

There is plenty on which to criticize Bloomberg, you don't have to promulgate lies.

lol lumber -- i'm not playing your game, asshole. 

justify it anyway you'd like -- you just said you'd vote for a racist, sexist, nyc billionaire -- are we talking trump or bloomberg? 

so just to keep count, these are the people that will support a  sexist and a racist:

-lumber 

-woz 

-ned 

-thod

-jr 

-nancy 

who else? come on out. 

pheater gets lumps of coal in his stocking every year :(

...but blames everyone else LOL

haha there you are little buddy. 

has daddy told you who to vote for yet? 

Daylight, that picture was taken during great depression.  

It's not a game, Pyramid. Trump has appointed over 190 federal judges, 2 Supreme court justices. Another term would surely mean one or two more Supreme court justices. It's unfortunate that you seem incapable of understanding the long term consequences of this. 

Unlike you, I am worried about the damage Trump will undoubtedly do, given another term. 

^He just changed parties. Where's the lie? He endorsed Goerge Bush for President. He's a racist. He wants blacks behind bars. So if you support him then you are supporting racism and sexism. No lies there

then you should worry about what bloomberg would do as well, given his record, public comments, who he's supported, donated to, fundraiser for, policy he's passed and advocated for. horrible human. 

oh but he's the real billionaire lol. he'll spend 100 trillion dollars on professional trolling. my god, grow the fuck up. that doesn't beat trump, and you say you're worried. are you tho? b/c it doesn't seem like it from your posts. 

the long term consequences are here man -- were living in it. fucking over the poor and working class got us to this exact moment. thank you democrats and republicans. 

we're taking the party back from you greedy corporatists. 

I think you're just confused and you think that you will make yourself feel better voting for Bloomberg because he's a "democrat" but really he will do virtually the same thing as Trump but not be as obnoxious on Twitter. Not sure where you are from but anyone who's lives out East knows the damage that Bloomberg did as mayor and the racist agenda he supported. The media can only fools those outside of the area I suppose. You have absolutely been fooled if you think I Bloomberg doesn't support a racist American justice system.

Wonder how Bernie would feel if he knew that some of his most ardent and obsessed supporters are now making enemies lists?

you're a pathetic troll, jr. always have been.

JR, Lol. Go back to bed man.

C'mon man even on Sunday you can't resist your juvenile name calling. As time goes by bro its only you who display meltdown behavior, and every day you get worse. You need to get wise pyramid,  and get yourself to church. So obvious you need spiritual as well as  intellectual guidance, bad. Find a Tripple Rock some where near you, soon

as usual, i didn't start the name calling. 

ras are you ok man? you always have it wrong. 

rasnthod

ras went through extra effort to post a picture that has nothing at all to do with any topic at hand. Seems to be any white males over 55 strategy. Just distract from any real issues at hand in order to try and win an argument and/or make themselves look good. They even end up distracting themselves.

Timpane and p heat have been bad boys this morning. They must have been up late last night creating their Bernie "enemies list".  hahahaha

<<so just to keep count, these are the people that will support a  sexist and a racist:

-lumber 

-woz 

-ned 

-thod

-jr 

-nancy 

ras stated he likes bloomberg. 

after that thread he started the other day, it's easy to see why a racist and sexist appeals to him. 

jr can copy and paste. nice. not too many pharmaceuticals yet i can see. 

I live in Jersey,  Timpane. I am well aware of Bloomberg's record, the good and the bad. I even have a Republican friend from Queens who hates Bloomberg because he is too liberal. 

>Where is the lie?<

You stated that he was a life long Republican. That is not true, he became a Republican in 2001.

Yes, Pyramid,  I am worried.  I am worried that progressive won't vote for a moderate in the general election, and I'm worried that moderates won't vote for a progressive in the general. Me? I know that Trump is an existential threat to our country, and I will vote for the Democrat running against him. 

And, no, the long term consequences aren't here yet. This is a preview.  Give Trump four more years and things will certainly accelerate.  Most folks are far too myopic. 

i know, you've stated many times you'll "vote blue, no matter who", even if that blue is really a red, and racist, and sexist. i know, i get it. you would support a racist and sexist republican over a racist and sexist republican. 

we call that stupid. 

No, Pyramid,  stupid is your inability to understand the permanent damage Trump will inflict with four more years. 

^hopeless. 

Ok sorry, Bloomberg converted back to "Democrat". Look obviously there's nothing anyone can say to convince you, but it seems you are very confused on what your voting for. That's all.

Not confused at all, Timpane. I'm voting against Trump. 

Oh, Sanders was a member of the liberty union party, an independent, a Democrat,  an independent,  and now a Democrat again. 

Bloomberg would suck as president, but he'd be infinitely better than Trump. If people disagree, so be it. 

bernie doesn't throw innocent black people in prison like bloomberg did. 

bernie marched w/ martin luther king jr. 

look at lumber, lol. 

I understand that, you sanctimonious prick, but Trump is still worse than Bloomberg.  

but, why expend so much energy arguing against bernie?

did anyone watch the krystal ball link i posted above completely shredding bloomberg? she's hot and 100% right on.

keep justifying that logic so you feel good my man. 

lumber supports racists. 

Turtle,  I don't think Sanders can win the general.  Specifically, I don't think he can win Ohio, Pennsylvania,  or Florida.  Honestly, I'm not sure any of these candidates can beat Trump. 

Fuck off, Pyramid. This is how assholes like you mess it up for Sanders. Facts don't matter, just fall in line and shut up. And if you don't,  you will be slandered.

Hell, I voted for Sanders in the 2016 primary. I'm not sure who will still be standing come Jersey's primary. 

Anybody but Trump; nobody but Bernie

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

^haha

everything i've posted about bloomberg has been fact. 

you came in here calling names. 

Lumber, I would watch yourself unless you want to get a knock on your door by the Bernie Bro DBMB mob.  Heard through the grapevine, they are also creating these enemies lists on phishhook and String Cheese message boards, too. However, word on the street is the Panic board has too many southern ex frat dudes to get any real interest or traction. 

>you came in here calling names<

Only you. I'm sorry if you lack the self awareness to understand that you are a sanctimonious prick.  

>everything i've posted about bloomberg has been fact<

For weeks you've been insisting that your opinion regarding Sanders is fact.

>lumber supports racists<

You slandered me by claiming that I support racists, all I stated is that Trump is worse than Bloomberg, and that Bloomberg is not a lifelong Republican. 

DBMB mob?  They wouldn't fair to well in my neighborhood, JR.

i get it lumber.

can we get rid of the electoral college yet or what?

way to deflect, lumber. man, there's a lot to respond to but generally just fuck it w/ you guys. 

the article above is fact. stop n frisk is fact. spying on muslims is fact. all bloomberg. racist. sexist. 

Deflect?  You sure do have trouble with reading comprehension. 

Oh, damn,  fair to well?  

I should really proof read. 

Correction,  JR, a DBMB mob wouldn't fare too well in my neighborhood. 

"Anyone making personal attacks in my name is not a part of our movement." -Bernie Sanders

Bernie said that after the Bro trolls attacked some Nevada labor union for not supporting him. I am sure Bernie wpuld be ashamed to know the vitriol the two here spew at us non-stop.

>can we get rid of the electoral college yet or what?<

Unfortunately it's here for the foreseeable future, Turtle, probably forever.  It will be moot when Texas finally goes  blue. 

What do you expect from a government employee?   He just learned about delegates and the electoral college.

Is Trump the Giant Douche Bag or the Turd Sandwich?

or 

\

Think big.   Nobody thought Trump had a chance.  The power is in your hands.

pretty sure my grasp of politics is above your pay grade boner boy.

did you just get interested when the tea party came along?

This country is not going to elect a Socialist. Bernie needs to go away.

>>>This country is not going to elect a Socialist. 

That's what they said about FDR.

https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-socialism-2019021...

Bernie is not going away.

you mean the entrenched power structure is not going to allow a democratic socialist to become president?

woz prolly voted for reagan.

Speaking of pay grades, this is a neat website.

www.transparentcalifornia.com

>>>This country is not going to elect a Socialist<<<

Says the exact same folks who don't want their Medicare "messed with" and think social security is some kind of birthright.

 you mean the entrenched power structure is not going to allow a democratic socialist to become president?
 

Trump will wipe the floor with a candidate that will be labeled a socialist. The Democratic part of that label will not be used. It will be like shooting fish in a barrel for the Republicans. Trump must be stopped and if Bernie gets the nod we pose the election. It's that simple.

>>>Do you think that economic conditions influence presidential elections?

Its all about the economy.  Yes, it affects elections and will affect everyone else running against Trump, like Biden and Mayor Pete..

But while a booming stock market might benefit the top 1%, that doesn't help the millions of working class families who are struggling under the crushing weight of medical bills and student debt, something that people in most other advanced countries don't have to even think about.

Cutting just a fraction of our bloated miliary budget and imposing just a small increase in taxes on corporations and the most wealthy could eliminate those problems outright.   America is the richest and greatest country on the planet and with a little bit more compassion and forward thinking, it can be even better.

why don't you post my full name and location where i work too racket?

i have nothing to hide or be ashamed of. 

fuckin' weirdo creep.

Why would I do that?

dude, you're weird man. 

Why you so triggered about a public database website?  Do you think tax funded salaries should not be transparent?  

But while a booming stock market might benefit the top 1%, that doesn't help the millions of working class families who are struggling under the crushing weight of medical bills and student debt, something that people in most other advanced countries don't have to even think about.

Yet a gallup poll from just last week cites more than 50% of the electorate as saying they are better off than 4 years ago, so unless something goes dreadfully wrong, the economy is a plus for Trump.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/13/gallup-poll-says...

you can post a link to find your salary as well. 

i don't have a problem with public salary transparency but is only a small percentage of how we are funded.

Well kids, I'm currently taking a well needed vacation and getting some R&R - in the hospital. Massive internal infection, and what have you. Between the IV dilaudid every few hours and having so many tubes in my arms, it's hard to type.

Be good to each other, would you?

That doesn't sound good, heal up.

shit bk, sorry to hear that. good luck.

i got family heading over, see you kids tomorrow.

Damn Brother.   Get well soon BK.

Fuck brother how'd that sneak up on you, too many fried twinkies or did that sum bitch pyramid give you an ulcer ? I'll gouge that fuckers liver out with a dull spoon. I mean, we'll be good, you get better.

Wow, Bk.  Sounds horrible except the dilaudid iv drip.  Heal up, dude.

Sounds serious BK.  Good luck man.   Check in once in awhile, eh? 

woz def just isn't paying attention, doesn't understand a political movement is needed to defeat trump, and the working class is proving it's possible. 

a racist republican billionaire running as a dem won't beat trump.

a centrist won't beat trump, we saw that in 2016. 

bernie gives us the best shot, it's really not even close. 

nobody excites the electorate like bernie, generates passion and energy, again, not even debatable.

the coalition is there, the strongest and most diverse, majority female coalition, almost 10mil individual donors now, raising money like trump is, except this is real, 100% grassroots -- nobody else is even close -- again, if bernie's campaign was bidens or pete's, you'd all be screaming for everybody else to drop out and support the obvious choice  --

what are you all fighting this so hard for?

many centrists say "i don't like any of the dems running" -- that's amazing, b/c we literally have the absolute best possible candidate running to represent americans, an FDR democrat, in our lifetime --  there was always so much talk about how hrc was the most qualified candidate ever -- actually that's false, bernie is. it's right in front of you. he is the compassion candidate, organizer in chief, people trust him, he is what beats trump -- he speaks to all people, no other dem does that. 

heal up, bk. 

     Get well soon Brian, in your honor I'll share this moment...I was at Sunday evening mass and the priest discussed the importance of civil dialogue...it will certainly be my intention moving forward.

     The healing process is beautiful, never underestimate the human body's ability to heal...every day will get better!

     https://youtu.be/EGlo9LzmOME

     If you find yourself in a scenario in which you'd like to focus on the very best quality "best films ever" type classics as you're recovering...might I suggest this:

     https://youtu.be/PqWp0ATm1eM

Dear Donald Trump  I'm an independent voter. MAGA doesn't resonate with me  because I always thought America was Great,but maybe I'm just naive.

Anyway can tell me how many miles of The Great Beautifully Wall that you promised to build with pesos is accomplished?

 If you put your tax returns in a time capsule and bury it under the wall not to be opened until the year 2050 or until a Mexican drug tunneler finds it.

I will Strongly consider voting for you rather than the other billionaire. Time is ticking.Please let me know A.S.A.P.

Hoping for a speedy recovery, BK.

>if bernie's campaign was bidens or pete's, you'd all be screaming for everybody else to drop out and support the obvious choice <

You can continue to repeat this false assertion ad nauseum, but it only demonstrates your irrational bias. 

Buttigieg 23 delegates 

Sanders 21 delegates 

>what are you all fighting this so hard for?<

Because I don't believe that Sanders can win the general election. 

Why is it difficult for you to understand this?

Hope you're starting to feel better, BK.

Yikes bk. Don't bother posting to this place.  Just rest up and get better

it's not, lumber. it just shows your massive disconnect from what's actually happening. 

the strongest candidate is bernie, and i've listed all the reasons why. you keep saying he can't win swing states, all the info says otherwise. remember hrc lost michigan and wisconsin, first time in like 30 years for both states. that's called not being electable. any centrist will lose those states again. obvious. bernie wins those swings states, fact. he won wisconsin 71 out of 72 counties, hrc lost the state to trump. same for michigan. PA. 

a centrist just won't get the votes needed to defeat a very strong donald trump -- and remember, he's even stronger now b/c of pelosi's complete disaster of an impeachment trail. 

so besides bernie having the strongest, largest, most female, most diverse coalition, out of any candidate, by far, has the most votes, won both iowa and nh, has the most cash, donations, donors, massive ground game, is the front runner, has the lead in most super tuesday stares, will win nevada, looking to come close in S.C. (which would be considered a win for him), he has the strongest minority support across the country. i mean, bernie raises 25mil in january alone -- if pete/biden/bloomberg did that centrists would be calling for all other to drop out and rally around said candidate. no doubt. you're in denial if you don't think so. 

so who do you think should be the candidate? 

pete has literally zero minority support, he can't win. 

bloomberg only has money, no coalition, can't beat trump. is racist, sexist, a billionaire, from nyc -- that shit isn't gonna fly against trump, plus he's a republican. 

who is your choice man? who in your eyes can motivate enough people to show up and defeat trump? who will get enough youth, latino, black, muslim, female votes to defeat trump? pete or bloomberg won't. who will? biden? he's a dead man walking. klobuchar? haha. she'll get destroyed even before the 1st debate ::: 

https://twitter.com/sunraysunray/status/1229046641673592832?s=12

lol that's who the nyt endorses. shit is rough. 

the answer is stupid easy, and right in front of you. as ken said above, think big. that's what it'll take to defeat trump. not some lazy lame ass excuse of we must wait or now isn't the time. that logic and lazy thinking is what will get trump re elected, and we know you don't want that. 

Lumber will be the single deciding vote. 

>who is your choice man? who in your eyes can motivate enough people to show up and defeat trump? who will get enough youth, latino, black, muslim, female votes to defeat trump? <

I don't see any candidate that is a slam dunk. However, i believe that Sanders has no chance of winning in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. You're  not going to win the Philly suburbs by telling people that you want to take their health insurance,  raise their taxes, and put them on Medicare.  A moderate has a better chance of winning Pennsylvania and Ohio. You cannot hold up Clinton as the standard bearer for all moderates, she had her own unique set of problems. And given the Cuban expats,  old white folks,  and Florida Man, someone who is not an avowed Socialist has a better chance of winning Florida . No Democrat will win wthout taking 2 out of three of these states. 

Moderate candidates received 20,000 more votes than the progressive candidates in the NH primary. Who will the other states vote for? This is not certain. So it is unrealistic to suggest that the candidate currently leading the delegate count should consider dropping out. Again, this only demonstrates your irrational bias  

jesus christ. didn't even answer the question. 

man you're comparing how many candidates to bernie for vote total? 

very weak argument. 

just post the answer here when you think of it. i'll be waiting. 

i didn't say pete should drop out -- i said if your centrist was polling like bernie, raising money like bernie, pulling in donors like bernie, you and the corporate media would be calling for all the drop out and rally behind. 

pete's fade starts in nevada. 

I did answer the question,  you just disagree with my answer.  

>I didn't say pete should drop out -- i said if your centrist was polling like bernie, raising money like bernie, pulling in donors like bernie, you and the corporate media would be calling for all the drop out and rally <

I took your hypothetical scenario and applied it to the current reality,  and your assessment is ridiculously bias. 

>man you're comparing how many candidates to bernie for vote total<

 I'm adding the vote total for the top 8 candidates, 5 progressives (Sanders, Warren, Yang, Steyer, Gabbard) and  3 centrists (Buttigieg, Biden,  Klobuchar)

3 Centrist candidates....146,780

5 Progressive candidates... 124,574

so you think pete biden or klobuchar, or the racist republican bloomberg, all can beat trump? 

here guys, watch democracy now today -- lots of facts. 

https://www.democracynow.org/

^No. I have made no such assertion.  I am saying that I am not convinced that Sanders can pull enough moderate and independent voters in the general election. And I'm saying that in the general, I do not believe that Sanders can win Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. 

Oh, and I'd be happy if I am wrong. 

^You said it yourself that Sanders was an independent for a while. So why would he be able to pull independent voters out to vote for him? Realistically he has the best chance of swaying independents.

^the short answer, Timpane,  is that he is a Socialist. 

My take on the philly suburbs, which I posted earlier, is a specific example of a problem I believe Sanders will encounter. 

Looks like ol' bern's puss'n out...

Wonder how much other shit he's promising will be a let down to his leg humpers.

AOC concedes Sanders may have to compromise on Medicare for All

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) conceded Thursday that Sen. Bernie Sanders' signature Medicare for All proposal would face congressional roadblocks if he was elected president, telling HuffPost: “A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want."

Why it matters: Ocasio-Cortez is a vocal proponent of Medicare for All and one of Sanders' highest-profile surrogates. She told HuffPost: "The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so."

https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-...

smh

I do not believe the average voter in Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Florida could give an accurate description of democratic socialism if you held a gun to their heads. It’s a boogeyman word.

^ agreed, but it will work.

^Cuban expats and Cuban-Americans in Florida have a decent grasp of the concept. 

cubans live under communism dude. That’s a one party system. 

^ The US is under the rule of an authoritarian/fascist, what's your point?

responding to lumber right there

Uh

point is it’s an entirely different country with an entirely different governing structure?

I know, elf, but I don't believe they are inclined to vote for a Socialist, even a democratic one. Plus, I'm pretty sure that Sanders has had some nice things to say about Fidel Castro.

^ bingo

Okay, but you said you think they have a decent grasp on socialism. I’m asking how so?

Dropping the “democrat” part, hammering the “socialist” part, and trying to stack other political isms (communism, nazism, whatever) on top of it like we all know trump is going to do is intellectually dishonest, and trying to frame a rational discussion around it is pretty irrational. Especially without taking the time to even define the words we’re using. Don’t you think?

cuban expats are dicks

every time you are talking about bernie and think of a point that involves cuba, venezula, or the soviet union, do yourself a favor and punch yourself in the dick as hard as you possibly can, then google "the nordic model".

>Dropping the “democrat” part, hammering the “socialist” part, and lumping all the rest of the political isms (communism) in with it like we all know trump is going to do is intellectually dishonest<

And it works, that's the point, elf. 

>Okay, but you said you think they have a decent grasp on socialism. I’m asking how so?<

>>Okay, but you said you think they have a decent grasp on socialism. I’m asking how so?<<

I refer you back to your comment regarding intellectual dishonesty, and to my response. 

Larry, the average undecided voter doesn't care about the Nordic model.  

Again, lumber you are the one who said he was an independent, and the correct term is democratic socialism. The funny thing is that socialism has existed your whole life for businesses and corporations that don't even need it and you never batted an eye but now all of a sudden when it comes to socialism for citizens then you are against it? 

Wow, lol. Now who is spreading lies? Sanders never said anything nice about Castro. That's a completely falsity

"I remember, for some reason, being very excited when Fidel Castro made the revolution in Cuba." 

You likely won't hear the next sentence when it's used in an ad.

How about this one...

"I was very excited and impressed by the Cuban Revolution."

>The funny thing is that socialism has existed your whole life for businesses and corporations that don't even need it and you never batted an eye but now all of a sudden when it comes to socialism for citizens then you are against it?<

No, I never said that I am against it, I said that it hurts him with the majority of the electorate. 

So how's that AOC m4a walk-back going bros?
 

“A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want."

"The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so."

- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 

its going fine, considering she is just publicly stating what has been obvious to anyone with a brain since day one.

you mean in a legislative branch almost always split around 50/50 between left/right we are going to have to compromise? oh holy shit, back to the drawing board folks.

and if anyone actually cared to look, there are easily searchable clips of sanders providing very reasonable responses to the criticism he has received over his 40 year old comments about cuba.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz4qeDR0O9c

is the argument against sanders now just boiling down to admitting the bulk of the american population is so incredibly stupid that the only chance we have of not being led by an insane cartoon character is to elect corrupt wall street/deep state/military industrial complex puppets?