The desire for a "State of Jefferson" goes back ~ 100 years, mainly due to so much wealth (gold / timber) going to the cities, while nothing came back for road improvements, safety improvements, etc. These days its obviously different, but the miners / farmers / ranchers / timber folks I know hate the democrats passionately, and it has more to do with being regulated out of existence, than broader policy debates. (When I bring up liberal issues, they bring up specific state laws). Not taking a stand here personally, but it would be good for the democrats to actually start listening to specific legitimate complaints (if you're going to be pro labor, and pro food safety, best to drop the lecturing and listen the dirty details from those that produce it). Then there's the truth about the misinformed cult of the Donald, but alas, they regress, LOL
Fuck 'Em. As has been the case forever, they can always and more realistically just move to Idaho. I guess it's easier to whine that they are not represented as they find themselves at odds with the path and choices that the majority of OR voters prefer.
I have been reading about the widespread "changes" along the OR/ID border (Ontario area west of Boise, for example) in terms of the gangbuster Canna-biz engulfing the local economy, culture, housing, etc. and it's not difficult to imagine that being a part of their unrest as well. Seems like plenty of folks from Idaho enjoy their proximity to WA & OR.
If you drive outside the Willamette Valley, you see so many signs and banners endorsing the former president. I can understand their frustration with being ruled by Portland and Eugene, but well, that is how democracy works.
And the whole question is moot because a change in the boundaries needs to be approved by the Oregon legislature and that is not going to happen.
I have read analyses that summize OR's GDP would increase if they departed. No intention to discount farming and ranching but are those endeavors even viable in any U.S. state/region without attempting to employ non-residents?
Odd that tRump's oftentimes biggest supporters tend to lean on the "benefits" of illegal immigration in an outsized and selfish way and manner.
Yeah, the divide between urban and rural is wide, and I can see those country folks being totally disgusted by the stuff going on in Portland and wanting to disassociate.
It's happening in many states and is a problem in many parts of the country.
Utah solved that by fucking the heavily democratic capital city and gerrymandering the rural parts of the state with a sliver of Salt Lake County, where the conservative republican rural folks wipe out any voice liberal Salt Laker's might have. My city district includes farmers who live over a hundred miles away (the green area). The only reason a milquetoast mormon missionary like democrat Ben McAdams was able to beat Mia Love in 2018 was because two initiatives on the ballot on Medicaid expansion and medical marijuana brought out the Salt Lake demos and he won - by only 700 votes. Without those initiatives, a whack job socialist-fighting Q-Anon supporter whooped him this year and the "blue dog" moderate demo is outta there. A demo in Utah has no voice.
Salt Lake is broken into three different districts and the orange one goes all the way down to St George and much of southern Utah, while the yellow one covers much of rural Utah as well.
I kinda doubt Oregon's legislators could pull that off but don't doubt they might try.
For sure, Slick. I also used to live barely inside the northern tip of that green zone too. The UT churchislature heavily sliced and diced SL County to dillute any possible "uprising" but it sure was fun helping bounce Mia Love anyway! It may be more difficult ridding the district of the current ass hat, Owen's, however....unless LEGAL Canna et al somehow makes the ballot. Same urban/rural split plays out in IL and many other places as you stated but UT GOP had to search far & wide to prop up 2 different African American U.S. House candidates in an area that has almost none, regardless of party affiliation.
Utah's the second driest state in the nation, we're in a severe drought, and 40% of our water goes to grow hay, mostly for cows, and some to export. And the ranchers pay $1.35 a month to graze a cow and a calf on federal public lands (much of them desert) to raise food that causes health issues. State rates are closer to $8.
My sign made the local PBS documentary about Bears Ears. Representation? Luckily, they left it on for 6-7 seconds so folks could read it all.
And half those 17,000 were Navajos who supported the monument, yet Zinke didn't listen to them, just the welfare ranchers who take subsidies and federal money and pay outside law firms to sue the federal government. One Utah County (Kane) was just found to have paid lawyers from Oklahoma $425,000 to sure over federal land management. Ranchers pay what? AND rural counties get payments (PILT) for their federal lands in their counties since they're not taxable.
Democratic stronghold SL County makes up 1/3 of Utah's population, yet we can even get a congressperson elected, let alone to statewide office. .
Sorry, Utah has Dumbfuckistan taken. My buddy claimed it years ago. And we have the Utah Taliban at the legislature - or righteouslature. They wear unseen garments instead of turbans.
Ammon's brother Ryan ran for Governor of Nevada after their trial.
Bundy Bunch allies just bought some land right near the shut off valves of a disputed irrigation canal down in the Klamath Basin. Sounds like a set up for a Welfare Rancher revolt this summer:
1952 - Back at the beginning, a high school dropout, Nephi and brother Golden had survived the Depression, managing to carve out a small living growing potatoes and corn. However, it was when a bankrupt flash freezing plant in eastern Oregon was put on the auction block that the Grigg brothers took the plunge, mortgaging their homes in order to secure funds for the down payment. They named their new venture Ore-Ida, a name paying tribute to the Oregon-Idaho border region that was and continues to be its initial market.
BOISE, Idaho — Anti-government activist and agitator Ammon Bundy has been found guilty of misdemeanor trespassing and misdemeanor resisting or obstructing officers.
Bundy was found guilty Thursday evening after a four-day jury trial and brief jury deliberations, the Idaho Statesman reported.
Bundy was sentenced to three days in jail. But with credit for time served, he will serve no additional jail time. Magistrate Judge David Manweiler also imposed 48 hours of community service and a $750 fine for Bundy.
"History and human nature demonstrate that if we build up and create dense and congested cities with large populations, traffic and pollution, we will lose our conservative, traditional values."
Bundy is reframing the decades-long but narrow fight of his father, Cliven Bundy, against the Bureau of Land Management — the other BLM, as it's known here — into a platform with broader appeal. He wants to use the governorship to wrest ownership of federal land for state control. It's a campaign aimed at voters dreaming of wide open spaces and homes they can afford, wrapped in an idealized view of western life where land and resources are limited only by an unwillingness to use them.
Neither America nor the Gem State, he told the crowd, can survive the liberal creep of growing cities or the economic toll of too few houses for too many people. To "keep Idaho Idaho," as his slogan promises, growth needs to happen out instead of up, as he puts it.
The federal government is "forcing everybody down into big cities and where they're just surviving," Bundy said in a recent interview with The Times. He spoke from his home outside Boise on five acres of apple orchards in an agricultural area known as Treasure Valley, surrounded by public lands.
His is a message laced with undertones of violence, conspiracy theories and a concept of God (Bundy is a devout Mormon) that includes a belief in Manifest Destiny. In Bundy's worldview, preservationists and regulators are enemies, and sneaky ones at that. "They infiltrate government ... in order to force their ideological religious beliefs," he said.
Environmentalists "don't believe that God created the earth for man," he said.
"They don't believe, therefore, that man is anything more than another species that has evolved intellectually. And so they believe that it is their duty to create a disadvantage to humans, to balance the species," he said.
I am interested in seeing what sentence Ammon Bundy gets. I will be shocked if it's anything but a slap on the wrist. He and the whole Bundy Bunch are still stirring up shit across the west.
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Rogue Oregon Governor Tom
Rogue Oregon Governor Tom McCall would be rolling in his grave over that one.
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The desire for a "State of
The desire for a "State of Jefferson" goes back ~ 100 years, mainly due to so much wealth (gold / timber) going to the cities, while nothing came back for road improvements, safety improvements, etc. These days its obviously different, but the miners / farmers / ranchers / timber folks I know hate the democrats passionately, and it has more to do with being regulated out of existence, than broader policy debates. (When I bring up liberal issues, they bring up specific state laws). Not taking a stand here personally, but it would be good for the democrats to actually start listening to specific legitimate complaints (if you're going to be pro labor, and pro food safety, best to drop the lecturing and listen the dirty details from those that produce it). Then there's the truth about the misinformed cult of the Donald, but alas, they regress, LOL
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The Democratic party is pro
The Democratic party is pro labor?
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^
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I thought I saw that in the brochure once, lol
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Had to be before they started
Had to be before they started calling all laborers unskilled.
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Fuck 'Em. As has been the
Fuck 'Em. As has been the case forever, they can always and more realistically just move to Idaho. I guess it's easier to whine that they are not represented as they find themselves at odds with the path and choices that the majority of OR voters prefer.
I have been reading about the widespread "changes" along the OR/ID border (Ontario area west of Boise, for example) in terms of the gangbuster Canna-biz engulfing the local economy, culture, housing, etc. and it's not difficult to imagine that being a part of their unrest as well. Seems like plenty of folks from Idaho enjoy their proximity to WA & OR.
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> The desire for a "State of
> The desire for a "State of Jefferson"
I have a neighbor who flies a State of Jefferson flag on the front of his house. He's a Q-nut too, I'm pretty sure.
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If you drive outside the
If you drive outside the Willamette Valley, you see so many signs and banners endorsing the former president. I can understand their frustration with being ruled by Portland and Eugene, but well, that is how democracy works.
And the whole question is moot because a change in the boundaries needs to be approved by the Oregon legislature and that is not going to happen.
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They should just move to
They should just move to Idaho. Keep it simple. We don't need 'em.
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I have read analyses that
I have read analyses that summize OR's GDP would increase if they departed. No intention to discount farming and ranching but are those endeavors even viable in any U.S. state/region without attempting to employ non-residents?
Odd that tRump's oftentimes biggest supporters tend to lean on the "benefits" of illegal immigration in an outsized and selfish way and manner.
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Yeah, the divide between
Yeah, the divide between urban and rural is wide, and I can see those country folks being totally disgusted by the stuff going on in Portland and wanting to disassociate.
It's happening in many states and is a problem in many parts of the country.
Utah solved that by fucking the heavily democratic capital city and gerrymandering the rural parts of the state with a sliver of Salt Lake County, where the conservative republican rural folks wipe out any voice liberal Salt Laker's might have. My city district includes farmers who live over a hundred miles away (the green area). The only reason a milquetoast mormon missionary like democrat Ben McAdams was able to beat Mia Love in 2018 was because two initiatives on the ballot on Medicaid expansion and medical marijuana brought out the Salt Lake demos and he won - by only 700 votes. Without those initiatives, a whack job socialist-fighting Q-Anon supporter whooped him this year and the "blue dog" moderate demo is outta there. A demo in Utah has no voice.
Salt Lake is broken into three different districts and the orange one goes all the way down to St George and much of southern Utah, while the yellow one covers much of rural Utah as well.
I kinda doubt Oregon's legislators could pull that off but don't doubt they might try.
Close up of Salt Lake
Statewide.
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For sure, Slick. I also used
For sure, Slick. I also used to live barely inside the northern tip of that green zone too. The UT churchislature heavily sliced and diced SL County to dillute any possible "uprising" but it sure was fun helping bounce Mia Love anyway! It may be more difficult ridding the district of the current ass hat, Owen's, however....unless LEGAL Canna et al somehow makes the ballot. Same urban/rural split plays out in IL and many other places as you stated but UT GOP had to search far & wide to prop up 2 different African American U.S. House candidates in an area that has almost none, regardless of party affiliation.
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I live in a city/metro with
I live in a city/metro with more people than both states combined.
Those two states get 4 Senators and 12 electoral votes.
My metro area (which voted Biden) gets about 0.4 of a Senator and 0.0 electoral votes.
Electoral College and Senate were designed to benefit rural landowners.
Those rural landowners don't want the cities to have any say.
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For sure. LA County has more
For sure. LA County has more than 3 times the population of UT and about the same as all of IL.
WY has a total population of less than 600K. It gets tiresome hearing ruralites whining that they have no representation.
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"They should just move to
"They should just move to Idaho. Keep it simple." Or better yet, off themselves.
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More rural vs. urban divide.
More rural vs. urban divide. Good luck.
Utah's the second driest state in the nation, we're in a severe drought, and 40% of our water goes to grow hay, mostly for cows, and some to export. And the ranchers pay $1.35 a month to graze a cow and a calf on federal public lands (much of them desert) to raise food that causes health issues. State rates are closer to $8.
My sign made the local PBS documentary about Bears Ears. Representation? Luckily, they left it on for 6-7 seconds so folks could read it all.
And half those 17,000 were Navajos who supported the monument, yet Zinke didn't listen to them, just the welfare ranchers who take subsidies and federal money and pay outside law firms to sue the federal government. One Utah County (Kane) was just found to have paid lawyers from Oklahoma $425,000 to sure over federal land management. Ranchers pay what? AND rural counties get payments (PILT) for their federal lands in their counties since they're not taxable.
Democratic stronghold SL County makes up 1/3 of Utah's population, yet we can even get a congressperson elected, let alone to statewide office. .
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How poetic.
My, how poetic.
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2021/05/ammon-bundy-fi...
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LOL. Idahoans are crazy
LOL. Idahoans are crazy enough to vote him in. Wonder if he had to mail his papers in since he won't wear a mask to go inside the statehouse?
He hates the feds so much that he got a half-million dollars SBA loan for his truck-fixing business in Arizona. Phony son of a bitch.
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Keep Idaho Landlocked!
Keep Idaho Landlocked!
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Can we just call it
Can we just call it Dumbfuckistan?
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That nomenclature may well be
That nomenclature may well be a good fit for the place formerly known as 'Idaho', as it's southern neighbor has also morphed into Utahnistan.
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Sorry, Utah has Dumbfuckistan
Sorry, Utah has Dumbfuckistan taken. My buddy claimed it years ago. And we have the Utah Taliban at the legislature - or righteouslature. They wear unseen garments instead of turbans.
Ammon's brother Ryan ran for Governor of Nevada after their trial.
I went to their trial in Vegas and discussed rangeland science and paying his grazing fees with him. LOL. https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/950512694968201216
He didn't like his TV interview getting interrupted. "Who ARE you?" he asked. I proved any clown can grab a cowboy hat and an American flag, even me.
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Like your style slick. I
Like your style slick. I wonder how many SJC residents are even able to understand what the math on your sign means...
lol
KEEP GOVERNMENT OFF OUR FEDERAL LANDS!!
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"...it's in the Constitution,
"...it's in the Constitution, Partner."
He and his ilk need to do some more thorough reading up on that and many other matters of which they like to be very selective.
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Would it be pronounced. I-da
Would it be pronounced. I-da-whore-again?
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Some Bundy Bunch allies just
Bundy Bunch allies just bought some land right near the shut off valves of a disputed irrigation canal down in the Klamath Basin. Sounds like a set up for a Welfare Rancher revolt this summer:
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2021/05/farmers-with-t...
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It's the un-United States of
It's the un-United States of America
And crackers belong in a box of cracker jacks
Or possibly the confederacy
Long live the land barons
At least Leland Stanford built the University
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incredible to me that someone
incredible
https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2021/07/opinion-shifting-oregon-idaho...
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Yep definitely incredible how
Yep definitely incredible how big of a dump Portland has become.
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If you've ever driven thru La
If you've ever driven thru La Pine you know what a dump it is.
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I think Portlandia triggered
Portlandia triggered a lot of GOPers.
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Racket really doesn't know
Racket really doesn't know any better, he's sort of like a wind up toy
just points and yells at all the things Ann and tucker tell him he's supposed to hate
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Skante warrior.
Skante warrior.
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If it were only this simple:
If it were only this simple:
1952 - Back at the beginning, a high school dropout, Nephi and brother Golden had survived the Depression, managing to carve out a small living growing potatoes and corn. However, it was when a bankrupt flash freezing plant in eastern Oregon was put on the auction block that the Grigg brothers took the plunge, mortgaging their homes in order to secure funds for the down payment. They named their new venture Ore-Ida, a name paying tribute to the Oregon-Idaho border region that was and continues to be its initial market.
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LOL, Joe. Nice.
LOL, Joe. Nice.
By the way, Freeloader Ammon Bundy got convicted after a four-day jury trial.
July 1st https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/ammon-bundy-convicted-in-tresp...
BOISE, Idaho — Anti-government activist and agitator Ammon Bundy has been found guilty of misdemeanor trespassing and misdemeanor resisting or obstructing officers.
Bundy was found guilty Thursday evening after a four-day jury trial and brief jury deliberations, the Idaho Statesman reported.
Bundy was sentenced to three days in jail. But with credit for time served, he will serve no additional jail time. Magistrate Judge David Manweiler also imposed 48 hours of community service and a $750 fine for Bundy.
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And now, a new argument to take federal lands - housing. https://news.yahoo.com/ammon-bundy-seizes-housing-shortage-120044791.html
"History and human nature demonstrate that if we build up and create dense and congested cities with large populations, traffic and pollution, we will lose our conservative, traditional values."
Bundy is reframing the decades-long but narrow fight of his father, Cliven Bundy, against the Bureau of Land Management — the other BLM, as it's known here — into a platform with broader appeal. He wants to use the governorship to wrest ownership of federal land for state control. It's a campaign aimed at voters dreaming of wide open spaces and homes they can afford, wrapped in an idealized view of western life where land and resources are limited only by an unwillingness to use them.
Neither America nor the Gem State, he told the crowd, can survive the liberal creep of growing cities or the economic toll of too few houses for too many people. To "keep Idaho Idaho," as his slogan promises, growth needs to happen out instead of up, as he puts it.
The federal government is "forcing everybody down into big cities and where they're just surviving," Bundy said in a recent interview with The Times. He spoke from his home outside Boise on five acres of apple orchards in an agricultural area known as Treasure Valley, surrounded by public lands.
His is a message laced with undertones of violence, conspiracy theories and a concept of God (Bundy is a devout Mormon) that includes a belief in Manifest Destiny. In Bundy's worldview, preservationists and regulators are enemies, and sneaky ones at that. "They infiltrate government ... in order to force their ideological religious beliefs," he said.
Environmentalists "don't believe that God created the earth for man," he said.
"They don't believe, therefore, that man is anything more than another species that has evolved intellectually. And so they believe that it is their duty to create a disadvantage to humans, to balance the species," he said.
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I am interested is seeing
I am interested in seeing what sentence Ammon Bundy gets. I will be shocked if it's anything but a slap on the wrist. He and the whole Bundy Bunch are still stirring up shit across the west.
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6th line down, Ken.
6th line down, Ken.
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>>>>three days in jail. But
>>>>three days in jail. But with credit for time served, he will serve no additional jail time.
I got the same sentence for blocking the construction of a logging road into a de facto wilderness area.