Indigenous Water Rights on the Colorado River
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It's their right to put another straw in the lake but the river can barely handle the existing straws
https://coloradosun.com/2024/05/24/native-american-tribes-proposal-color...
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Right on. Looks like those
Thanks for posting this, Blackrock. Right on. Looks like those "existing straws" will have to amend their water usage with their theft finally being remedied.
Maybe Utahns shouldn't waste their water growing alfalfa hay for cows and for export to our "friends" in Saudi Arabia and China in the second driest state in the nation.
Maybe Arizonans shouldn't permit rich bastards from Saudi Arabia to drain their water tables dry just because they're allowed to lease land in the state allowing them to drill deeper.
There's so much wrong with this whole scene, beginning with the compact in 1922 that allocated water that wasn't there. They ignored the science they had that warned them.
"Science Be Damned" by Eric Kuhn and John Fleck tells the story. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44803812-science-be-dammed
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The piper will be paid in
The piper will be paid in full. The only question is exactly when. You can only try and fool Mother Nature for so long before the laws of physics settle the situation.
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>>>You can only try and fool
>>>You can only try and fool Mother Nature for so long before the laws of physics settle the situation<<<
we are stardust
we are golden
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Semolina Pilchard
This is what happens when
This is what happens when people think they can engineer nature to make dry places like most of the American West inhabitable by huge populations of people for long periods of time. It doesn't work after a while, but damn some folks made some big money while it did.
The irony is that there's about enough water out here to support the original native populations, who, for the most part, knew how to live within their means, but of course that moderate way of thinking doesn't fit into the expansionist visions of the European conquerors who laid claim to this place. This used to be a great country before they got here.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D.
Good thing for the Winters
Good thing for the Winters Doctrine that allows the Indian tribes to divert enough water for the traditional and customary uses.
And cities like Phoenix and Las Vegas really shouldn't exist (at least in the current size and intensity of water use). Plus growing alfalfa in the desert? Who comes up with shit like that?
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I'd venture to guess there is
I'd venture to guess there is still a lot of wasted water in those areas, and many opportunities for water conservation.
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>>>>Maybe Utahns shouldn't
>>>>Maybe Utahns shouldn't waste their water growing alfalfa hay for cows and for export to our "friends" in Saudi Arabia and China in the second driest state in the nation.
Hey Slick, Utah's answer is another pipeline from Powell:
https://lpputah.org/
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They grow a lot of rice in
They grow a lot of rice in the Central Valley of California. Technically a borderline desert. It is all for export also, mostly to China. Does not come from the Colorado, but pretty stupid just the same.
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California exports out of the
California exports out of the US a lot of what it grows, all while using about 80% of our water.
https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/Statistics/PDFs/2022_Exports_Publication.pdf
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^^^^ what does that sign in
^^^^ what does that sign in the picture mean?
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It looks like the Lake Powell
It looks like the Lake Powell Pipeline to St George is dead. Neighboring Kane County pulled out. And there's been lots of issues and complications and with the inflow to the lake shrinking..........
Look for Zak Podmore's upcoming book "Life After Dead Pool" coming out the summer. https://www.torreyhouse.org/life-after-dead-pool
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Measurement of geographic
Measurement of geographic subsidence (in altitude) over those years there 1925-1977 resulting from compaction of unconsolidated aquifer systems in the San Joaquin Valley. And that was a long ass time ago too.
Too much pumping, nothing going back in.
Mining, not farming.
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A good reason to boycott Pom
A good reason to boycott Pom Wonderful, the iconic pomegranate juice brand; Halos, the insanely popular brand of mandarin oranges formerly known as Cuties; and Wonderful Pistachios.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: joy
Somewhere I saw a bumper
Somewhere I saw a bumper sticker:
"If you can't grow it, you have to mine it"
Out of state investors are buying farms for their water rights everywhere along the Colorado
It will be interesting to see how this will unfold in the unknown of what comes of the new Colorado River Compact being negotiated
Believe it or not but California knew it was using more than it's allotment for years and HAS cut back on it's Colorado use to what's allowed under the Compact. (doesn't address the arguments above about agriculture use.)
Arizona also had a come to Jesus or Kokopelli or whomever makes it rain in the Colorado basin and have made strides to curb their use to their allotment(according to the 1922 Compact)
Vegas has done the most to not drink too much but the are looking north to deplete valleys like L.A. did to Owens Valley.
I certainly don't have the answer but there is a lot of storage above Lake Mead/Powell. When push comes to shove will troops be needed to release the water downstream?
From what I understand the Colorado Basin is a well armed and independent folk.
Mad Max movies might not be that far from the future there
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>>>>Plus growing alfalfa in
>>>>Plus growing alfalfa in the desert? Who comes up with shit like that?
Ken, our governor in Utah is an alfalfa farmer. He's very defensive.
Not only do they grow water-intensive alfalfa, they also chain trees and knock 'em down to grow cheatgrass for the bovines.
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Dad said more than once money
Money.
The End
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Strangha
Herbert Hoover.
Herbert Hoover.
The beginning.
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May 25, 2024
May 25, 2024
Navajo Nation President Buu Nygren signed a historic water settlement with the federal government on Friday, the day after the Navajo Nation Council approved it unanimously. Speaker Crystalyne Curley said she believes Congress will support the measure, finally bringing the promise of water for thousands of people.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-water/2024/05/25/nava...
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Eat one almond farmer and the
Eat one almond farmer and the rest will fall in line?
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joy and slick
joy and slick
thanks for keeping it in our face
lots of distraction going on these days
(((strength)))
through superior
(((peace)))
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you too mike
you too mike