What about those who work from home, same hours with reduced pay?
Or folks like me who go to work 5 days a week?
Lots of different boats.
But here's good news...
The UTMB research was conducted in late November 2020 in a Bio Safety Level (BSL)-3 and -4 laboratory, which studies the world's most deadly pathogens.1 Currently, nearly all BSL-4 analysis is dedicated to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and military testing. According to the CDC, BSL-4 facilities "are used to study agents that pose a high risk of life-threatening disease."2
The tests were done in triplicate, according to FDA guidelines and protocols. Live SARS-Cov-2 virus was sprayed into a test chamber at extremely high concentrations (7+ logs, or over 10 million particles per milliliter).
Within 3 minutes, ActivePure Technology-based Aerus® Pure & Clean and Vollara® Air & Surface Pro units, calibrated to their lowest setting of only 29 cubic feet per minute of air movement, reduced the concentration of the virus to no more than 1.6 logs, a reduction of 99.96%. The lab was able only to measure down to 1.6 logs, so the actual results may have resulted in a 99.99% or greater reduction. 3 The units only used the ActivePure Technology; all other purification technologies in the units were disabled or removed.
^They've had that technology for a long time, actually. Only issue is that it's extremely expensive to install. It is extremely effective and works though.
^I know, but the testing on airborne sar-cov-2 was just done. There are portable units that treat up to 3000 sq ft.
There are units that can be incorporated into your hvac system as well. Installation will generally run about $800-$1000, plus cost of the unit. Can easily be installed by a handy homeowner.
Small, rechargeable units which are good for a car, or hotel room are also available. They are very reasonably priced
Yea, you can buy a HEPA filtration system at Home Depot right now for around the same price which seems about right. The amount of space might be a little less, in which they cover, but they work. As for larger office buildings they will much more expensive and be running through the whole system. Will be a good business for commercial HVAC guys next year.
^hepas need to collect the air to filter it, the activepure uses airborne oxidizers to eliminate viruses, bacteria, mold, fungi in the air, does not need to be filtered through the hepa.
Larger systems need to be customized for the specific building, very expensive.
It may work to clean the air of some dangerous pollutants and diseases, but I don't know if it's a good idea to add oxidizers to the air we breath. Some folks take a lot of care to ingest ant-oxidants.
I'm certainly very fortunate and thankful to have a job I can do from home; a job that keeps me intellectually engaged, challenges me and provides me with a feeling of shared respect amongst my coworkers and superiors. I'm thankful for this everyday. I'm getting slammed financially with life in my own ways and am struggling to tread water but, again, I'm thankful for my job right now and feel for everyone struggling each in their own ways. Keep you heads up.
I'm working from home, and busy as fuck. Will be working the days around xmas since no family visits etc. Work has actually been my best distraction from what has been a very interesting 2020. Bring on 2021...please!
Who said "we're all in the same boat"? I work from home, and I'm pretty sure I've never said it.
I have a friend who's an doctor who works at a hospital north of NYC, and when we were corresponding last spring, I know for sure I never said, or thought, that she and I were in the same boat.
I don't know anyone who has been able to maintain full-time work, whether from home, office, or a hybrid model, that says that they are in the same boat as those who lost their jobs or have had hours cut. Nor have I heard anyone compare their situations to those of "first responders" or "essential workers."
In south Florida Gov Desantis named in home service personnel Essential Workers
I am an A/C man in south Florida
The recession did not even give me the slightest bump in the road.
The Rona, I work from home and my employees go to homes. I know we are a few weeks short of the close of the fiscal year, but I am up 34% from previous 3 year averages.
So many people at home and/or working from home and they realize their systems run all day when its hot. They did not notice it on weekends and when we were Corona free.
The extra profit of this extra income is doled out evenly to my employees and I have donated a lot to the Treasure Coast Food Bank
Luckily I work in Tech (like every other white guy it seems in Seattle), and business has actually been up since we were required to work from home beginning last March. Feel pretty lucky to have the job that I do. Best part is being able to spend time with my dog during the day and see my daughter periodically.
I was going good with some "essential work" but am laid off now. NJ unemployment one of the highest rates in country so I have enough to live on but the next couple months will be some of the slowest in years for our trade. Next quarter will be crucial for projects that were stalled or up and coming. A lot jobs either lost funding or were just canceled. If the vax does what it's supposed to then the summer might be booming with work but who knows what's to come.
besides slightly reduced hours (35 per week) for the first couple months, my life/work hasn't changed much at all. my wife lost all her clients and is just now starting to slowly get some back. one was generous enough to keep paying here each month during that time.
i'm fortunate to work in a closed facility, but a few weeks ago we were shut down for a day & half to disinfect the building after someone reported having symptoms. they got a negative test a couple days after a false positive result, but still had to self quarantine for a week. the company paid us all for the lost day. when i thought i had symptoms in august and had to sit at home they paid me 35 hours of the lost week. things have been tight, but having a good relationship with the landlords has kept us from any serious trouble.
Artists and craftspeople are really hurting because all the art galleries and craft shows have been closed / canceled for almost a year now and some stuff just doesn't sell online. However, it has been an opportune time to make stuff, if one can get motivated.
I still go into the office every day even though the office has been officially "closed" since March - no receptionist, no use of the conference room, etc.
Just did my P&Ls for the year and took a big hit in 2020. Although I still have plenty of work, the courts were shut down for many months and even now, its very hard to get any hearings or trials set. I do about half my work on a contingency fee basis, meaning I don't get paid until the case settles or we collect on a judgment. But without any trials being set, insurance carriers have much less incentive to settle, meaning I don't get paid. On the other hand, I have saved a small fortune on concert tickets.
Hey, man, that's awesome- and good on you for sharing the wealth with your employees. You get it and I'm sure they get that you get it and appreciate you for it. Awesome.
I worked HVAC w/ my cousin for a year immediately after graduating college... I was his grunt/helper and would make all the cuts and stuff after he told me what to do. I'm really not super mechanically-inclined but it was a good experience. There's money to be made in HVAC- and the trades in general. If you can both earn AND manage it, then you really can make some bank. I have big respect for people who can go out there and earn like that.
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Yup, it's all bullshit. At
Yup, it's all bullshit. At least we know who the real selfish people are.
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What about those who work from home, same hours with reduced pay?
Or folks like me who go to work 5 days a week?
Lots of different boats.
But here's good news...
The UTMB research was conducted in late November 2020 in a Bio Safety Level (BSL)-3 and -4 laboratory, which studies the world's most deadly pathogens.1 Currently, nearly all BSL-4 analysis is dedicated to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and military testing. According to the CDC, BSL-4 facilities "are used to study agents that pose a high risk of life-threatening disease."2
The tests were done in triplicate, according to FDA guidelines and protocols. Live SARS-Cov-2 virus was sprayed into a test chamber at extremely high concentrations (7+ logs, or over 10 million particles per milliliter).
Within 3 minutes, ActivePure Technology-based Aerus® Pure & Clean and Vollara® Air & Surface Pro units, calibrated to their lowest setting of only 29 cubic feet per minute of air movement, reduced the concentration of the virus to no more than 1.6 logs, a reduction of 99.96%. The lab was able only to measure down to 1.6 logs, so the actual results may have resulted in a 99.99% or greater reduction. 3 The units only used the ActivePure Technology; all other purification technologies in the units were disabled or removed.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/nasa-based-activepure-technolog...
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^They've had that technology
^They've had that technology for a long time, actually. Only issue is that it's extremely expensive to install. It is extremely effective and works though.
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^I know, but the testing on airborne sar-cov-2 was just done. There are portable units that treat up to 3000 sq ft.
There are units that can be incorporated into your hvac system as well. Installation will generally run about $800-$1000, plus cost of the unit. Can easily be installed by a handy homeowner.
Small, rechargeable units which are good for a car, or hotel room are also available. They are very reasonably priced
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Yea, you can buy a HEPA
Yea, you can buy a HEPA filtration system at Home Depot right now for around the same price which seems about right. The amount of space might be a little less, in which they cover, but they work. As for larger office buildings they will much more expensive and be running through the whole system. Will be a good business for commercial HVAC guys next year.
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^hepas need to collect the air to filter it, the activepure uses airborne oxidizers to eliminate viruses, bacteria, mold, fungi in the air, does not need to be filtered through the hepa.
Larger systems need to be customized for the specific building, very expensive.
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That's cool. The HEPAs
That's cool. The HEPAs actually would work really well for a small store front. Still an 800$ investment but they're really great.
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It may work to clean the air
It may work to clean the air of some dangerous pollutants and diseases, but I don't know if it's a good idea to add oxidizers to the air we breath. Some folks take a lot of care to ingest ant-oxidants.
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^activepure has been approved (fda)for use during live surgical procedures. EPA approved. It was developed by NASA for use in space.
Reduces or eliminates h1n1, h1n5, mersa, sars, staph, strep, e-coli and more... Both in the Air and on exposed surfaces
Timpane, most of the units use activepure, have a hepa and optional ionizer.
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^With all that they will be
^With all that they will be breathing air much cleaner than outside.
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If the ocean is COVID then
If the ocean is COVID then yep they're all in it together.
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I'm certainly very fortunate
I'm certainly very fortunate and thankful to have a job I can do from home; a job that keeps me intellectually engaged, challenges me and provides me with a feeling of shared respect amongst my coworkers and superiors. I'm thankful for this everyday. I'm getting slammed financially with life in my own ways and am struggling to tread water but, again, I'm thankful for my job right now and feel for everyone struggling each in their own ways. Keep you heads up.
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I'm working from home, and
I'm working from home, and busy as fuck. Will be working the days around xmas since no family visits etc. Work has actually been my best distraction from what has been a very interesting 2020. Bring on 2021...please!
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Who said "we're all in the
Who said "we're all in the same boat"? I work from home, and I'm pretty sure I've never said it.
I have a friend who's an doctor who works at a hospital north of NYC, and when we were corresponding last spring, I know for sure I never said, or thought, that she and I were in the same boat.
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I don't know anyone who has
I don't know anyone who has been able to maintain full-time work, whether from home, office, or a hybrid model, that says that they are in the same boat as those who lost their jobs or have had hours cut. Nor have I heard anyone compare their situations to those of "first responders" or "essential workers."
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In south Florida Gov Desantis
In south Florida Gov Desantis named in home service personnel Essential Workers
I am an A/C man in south Florida
The recession did not even give me the slightest bump in the road.
The Rona, I work from home and my employees go to homes. I know we are a few weeks short of the close of the fiscal year, but I am up 34% from previous 3 year averages.
So many people at home and/or working from home and they realize their systems run all day when its hot. They did not notice it on weekends and when we were Corona free.
The extra profit of this extra income is doled out evenly to my employees and I have donated a lot to the Treasure Coast Food Bank
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Luckily I work in Tech (like
Luckily I work in Tech (like every other white guy it seems in Seattle), and business has actually been up since we were required to work from home beginning last March. Feel pretty lucky to have the job that I do. Best part is being able to spend time with my dog during the day and see my daughter periodically.
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I was going good with some
I was going good with some "essential work" but am laid off now. NJ unemployment one of the highest rates in country so I have enough to live on but the next couple months will be some of the slowest in years for our trade. Next quarter will be crucial for projects that were stalled or up and coming. A lot jobs either lost funding or were just canceled. If the vax does what it's supposed to then the summer might be booming with work but who knows what's to come.
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besides slightly reduced
besides slightly reduced hours (35 per week) for the first couple months, my life/work hasn't changed much at all. my wife lost all her clients and is just now starting to slowly get some back. one was generous enough to keep paying here each month during that time.
i'm fortunate to work in a closed facility, but a few weeks ago we were shut down for a day & half to disinfect the building after someone reported having symptoms. they got a negative test a couple days after a false positive result, but still had to self quarantine for a week. the company paid us all for the lost day. when i thought i had symptoms in august and had to sit at home they paid me 35 hours of the lost week. things have been tight, but having a good relationship with the landlords has kept us from any serious trouble.
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Artists and craftspeople are
Artists and craftspeople are really hurting because all the art galleries and craft shows have been closed / canceled for almost a year now and some stuff just doesn't sell online. However, it has been an opportune time to make stuff, if one can get motivated.
Art teachers are taking a hit, also.
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I'm bringing home about the
I'm bringing home about the same as before, but often working another day to do it.
But I haven't been on a bus since 3/13.
Kind of a bonus.
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I still go into the office
I still go into the office every day even though the office has been officially "closed" since March - no receptionist, no use of the conference room, etc.
Just did my P&Ls for the year and took a big hit in 2020. Although I still have plenty of work, the courts were shut down for many months and even now, its very hard to get any hearings or trials set. I do about half my work on a contingency fee basis, meaning I don't get paid until the case settles or we collect on a judgment. But without any trials being set, insurance carriers have much less incentive to settle, meaning I don't get paid. On the other hand, I have saved a small fortune on concert tickets.
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>> but I am up 34% from
>> but I am up 34% from previous 3 year averages.
Hey, man, that's awesome- and good on you for sharing the wealth with your employees. You get it and I'm sure they get that you get it and appreciate you for it. Awesome.
I worked HVAC w/ my cousin for a year immediately after graduating college... I was his grunt/helper and would make all the cuts and stuff after he told me what to do. I'm really not super mechanically-inclined but it was a good experience. There's money to be made in HVAC- and the trades in general. If you can both earn AND manage it, then you really can make some bank. I have big respect for people who can go out there and earn like that.