I think so. IMO marches don't phase tptb because whichever side you're on, they use it as division fuel. What we need is for there to be financial consequences for the unmoved wealthy jerks.
While i appreciate a big group of people showing up somewhere and standing together or marching, I agree it's not going to do anything. There needs to be a real wrench in the gears
People who don't earn much would likely go to work, so a strike wouldn't shut everything down, but that doesn't mean it couldn't send out some serious shock waves.
Trump wants to spend nearly $100 million for a military parade on June 14th, his birthday. That would be a great day to start a strike, and two months should be enough lead time to get it going.
> It would be a great day for the military to drag him through the streets (before facing a firing squad as all traitors should).
> What we need is for there to be financial consequences for the unmoved wealthy jerks. The wealthy jerks can easily outlast the general pop who would suffer more consequences and they'll still be wealthy jerks (now snickering) at the end of the boycott. If it were only so easy as to stop shopping (essentially do nothing).
> While i appreciate a big group of people showing up somewhere and standing together or marching, I agree it's not going to do anything. Totally disagree. This is just the start. There is strength in numbers. I've already seen an increase in interest in people running for office and becoming more politically active. 85 million people didn't vote (shame on the cheese weenies). Rally's serve to increase willingness to participate in democracy, get involved locally. The recent town halls where representatives have been challenged strongly are a fine example of resistance and now some politicians won't do them. Won't face their constituents. That's taking away the oppositions interaction with the communities.
We need people who are willing to take action, put in time and get organized to shift the tide. The Dems went limp, dropped the ball quite while back. Now we see the cost of a party that is weak, lacks serious organization, a clear direction with a long range plan and strong qualified leaders. Not vetting Biden is a glaring example of not doing due diligence, laziness and completely misreading overall sentiments. Then there is the painfully obvious lack of awareness that Democracy is not guaranteed and needs to be vigilantly protected. There will always be assholes looking to get over on others for their own gains and power.
So what next then? I do appreciate the assemblies, I'm just suggesting that isn't enough to stand up to what's happening now.. I don't think getting a bunch of people to vote in the next election is gonna stop what's rolling now either. The enthusiasm to gather is about a year late. But I'm not suggesting it stop by any means
As much as we are all outraged by what we are seeing, I think there is a core part of this country that is absolutely thrilled at every step. And I don't just mean the billionaire elites.
I don't know if it's time for a national strike, but it's certainly a good time for people to get together and help each other through whatever this is.
Not sure about anyone else but I'd be ready to fight it out in the streets like tomorrow.
How long until the first innocent civilian dies under his watch?
I still believe this guy would drop bombs on his own people if it came down to it
I pray I'm wrong. That we've landed here as a country has made me lose all respect for basically ANYONE who chose this shit.
Stupidest people ever. To me it's like a drunk driver who kills innocents while living jail free in the end. I mean no disrespect to anyone on VivaLaZone, This is just completely unacceptable, unfathonable and infuriating to me.
problem is his base are all ar15 trained and have been stockpiling weapons and bump stocks for years. And anyone thinking that's being over dramatic, My uncle just returned from his 3rd long range shooting course in Utah. He is now proficient at 1600 ft, meaning consistent bullseye and is capable of hitting targets at up to one mile. He is headed to New Zealand this week for Red Stag but make no mistake, he will tell you he has been getting ready for civil war for decades. His latest are these Firerce Firearms custom built long range rifles with incredible optics. His only question when talking about this stuff is to ask "who's side would you want to be on?" Scary AF and they are all itchin
^I'd like to die smiling, maybe at the peak of a strong ayahuasca ceremony, or in my sleep, or maybe at the end of a smokin' Billy concert, but I'm weird that way. ;)
Through World wars, wars, plagues, pandemics, economic recessions and depressions, people have always retained the capacity to Hope and Love, the foundations of human Resiliency.
The current ship of fools is making few, if any, new friends.
^Thanks for the kind words and loving comments Joe.
I don't want any of this and really pray it never comes to this but if it does I've obviously thought a lot about it.
You are not weird at all, I feel your vibe 100%
I really sincerely hope the United States of America can persevere like you said. Honestly I feel ashamed bc of all these ridiculous antics and that 1/2 the country, despite REPEATED warnings beforehand
didn't listen and chose wrong in every way shape or form.
fishcane, I'm guessing your uncle is more the exception rather than the rule for MAGA types. I don't doubt there are people like him, but I think the rank and file--on both sides--are mostly caught up in the maintenance of their lifestyles, no matter how rich or meager that might be. Sure, folks spout off on the interwebz all the time, but it takes a whole lot to move people from talk to action.
A close (I think he'd say he's leftist) friend is preparing with weapons (guns including rifles, shotguns, handguns), bows and arrows, knives, and more) in case he needs to protect himself, his family and friends. He's really into it. He'd say he's woke and weaponized.
I can't get there at all. I think I'd be shocked by how many people I know have guns other than for hunting - do I want to know?
Having said that winning by violence is not a great path to long term resolution if we want to stick with democracy. There are so many folks that have been bamboozled, lied to and intentionally gas lit that haven't figured it out yet. We'd be way better off if the yahoos figured it out and willfully shift allegiances.
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A week minimum.
A week minimum.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Semolina Pilchard
Probably need more than a
Probably need more than a week for it to be really effective. Bush II made his speech telling us to start shopping again one month after 9/11.
https://www.c-span.org/clip/white-house-event/user-clip-bush-shopping-qu...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: ParadiseWaits
I think so. IMO marches don't
I think so. IMO marches don't phase tptb because whichever side you're on, they use it as division fuel. What we need is for there to be financial consequences for the unmoved wealthy jerks.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
While i appreciate a big
While i appreciate a big group of people showing up somewhere and standing together or marching, I agree it's not going to do anything. There needs to be a real wrench in the gears
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sun so hot, clouds so low
We're not Europe, so forget
We're not Europe, so forget about anything unified.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Semolina Pilchard
People who don't earn much
People who don't earn much would likely go to work, so a strike wouldn't shut everything down, but that doesn't mean it couldn't send out some serious shock waves.
Trump wants to spend nearly $100 million for a military parade on June 14th, his birthday. That would be a great day to start a strike, and two months should be enough lead time to get it going.
https://newrepublic.com/post/193674/trump-military-parade-birthday
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It would be a great day for
It would be a great day for the military to drag him through the streets
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Floating Flasher
everything trail said
everything trail said
not from vermont
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Astro
> It would be a great day for
> It would be a great day for the military to drag him through the streets (before facing a firing squad as all traitors should).
> What we need is for there to be financial consequences for the unmoved wealthy jerks. The wealthy jerks can easily outlast the general pop who would suffer more consequences and they'll still be wealthy jerks (now snickering) at the end of the boycott. If it were only so easy as to stop shopping (essentially do nothing).
> While i appreciate a big group of people showing up somewhere and standing together or marching, I agree it's not going to do anything. Totally disagree. This is just the start. There is strength in numbers. I've already seen an increase in interest in people running for office and becoming more politically active. 85 million people didn't vote (shame on the cheese weenies). Rally's serve to increase willingness to participate in democracy, get involved locally. The recent town halls where representatives have been challenged strongly are a fine example of resistance and now some politicians won't do them. Won't face their constituents. That's taking away the oppositions interaction with the communities.
We need people who are willing to take action, put in time and get organized to shift the tide. The Dems went limp, dropped the ball quite while back. Now we see the cost of a party that is weak, lacks serious organization, a clear direction with a long range plan and strong qualified leaders. Not vetting Biden is a glaring example of not doing due diligence, laziness and completely misreading overall sentiments. Then there is the painfully obvious lack of awareness that Democracy is not guaranteed and needs to be vigilantly protected. There will always be assholes looking to get over on others for their own gains and power.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
So what next then? I do
So what next then? I do appreciate the assemblies, I'm just suggesting that isn't enough to stand up to what's happening now.. I don't think getting a bunch of people to vote in the next election is gonna stop what's rolling now either. The enthusiasm to gather is about a year late. But I'm not suggesting it stop by any means
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High
We're heading for a major
We're heading for a major recession or even depression. Many jobs will be lost, yet inflation will be high. (How does that even work?)
Against that background, I don't think there will be much appetite for a National Strike.
The only eventualities that would get things moving in the right direction would be intervention by the Republican Congress or the Republican SCOTUS.
How bad will things have to get for that to happen?
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As much as we are all
As much as we are all outraged by what we are seeing, I think there is a core part of this country that is absolutely thrilled at every step. And I don't just mean the billionaire elites.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Zzzzzz
>>>>>would be a great day for
>>>>>would be a great day for the military to drag him through the streets
June 14th $92m military parade to celebrate his birthday. Mark your calendars. Glad we can are being efficient. Cut jobs, blow it on parades.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino
>>> I think there is a core
>>> I think there is a core part of this country that is absolutely thrilled at every step.
Yep 44% still support him and he gets the highest marks on immigration, but he is really starting to drop on the economy because that can't be hidden.
https://navigatorresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Navigator-Update-04.08.2025.pdf?emci=7876fdc2-1314-f011-8b3d-0022482a9fb7&emdi=41fa485e-7914-f011-8b3d-0022482a9fb7&ceid=1396968
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> I think there is a core
> I think there is a core part of this country that is absolutely thrilled at every step
I agree, and would add there's another core part of this country that's wringing its hands and little else.
Affluence is the new opiate of the masses.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island
I don't know if it's time for
I don't know if it's time for a national strike, but it's certainly a good time for people to get together and help each other through whatever this is.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Jay Sunshine
Not sure about anyone else
Not sure about anyone else but I'd be ready to fight it out in the streets like tomorrow.
How long until the first innocent civilian dies under his watch?
I still believe this guy would drop bombs on his own people if it came down to it
I pray I'm wrong. That we've landed here as a country has made me lose all respect for basically ANYONE who chose this shit.
Stupidest people ever. To me it's like a drunk driver who kills innocents while living jail free in the end. I mean no disrespect to anyone on VivaLaZone, This is just completely unacceptable, unfathonable and infuriating to me.
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Save your wine bottles (nod,
Save your wine bottles (nod, wink)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
Tin soldiers....
Tin soldiers....
problem is his base are all ar15 trained and have been stockpiling weapons and bump stocks for years. And anyone thinking that's being over dramatic, My uncle just returned from his 3rd long range shooting course in Utah. He is now proficient at 1600 ft, meaning consistent bullseye and is capable of hitting targets at up to one mile. He is headed to New Zealand this week for Red Stag but make no mistake, he will tell you he has been getting ready for civil war for decades. His latest are these Firerce Firearms custom built long range rifles with incredible optics. His only question when talking about this stuff is to ask "who's side would you want to be on?" Scary AF and they are all itchin
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: aiq
Head to head fighting would
Head to head fighting would not work.
Steve Earle: "learned a thing or two from Charlie you know"
Guerilla...
Kind of a stereotype about the Unarmed Left. Most of my comrades are armed and more each day.
JohnBrown Gun Club, NFAC, etc.
Stop being scared. Put your pearls down and get ready.
Distasteful to be sure but I was a Boy Scout.
Be Prepared.
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Bring it then. If i die
Bring it then. If i die fighting to save democracy so be it.
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^I'd like to die smiling, maybe at the peak of a strong ayahuasca ceremony, or in my sleep, or maybe at the end of a smokin' Billy concert, but I'm weird that way. ;)
Through World wars, wars, plagues, pandemics, economic recessions and depressions, people have always retained the capacity to Hope and Love, the foundations of human Resiliency.
The current ship of fools is making few, if any, new friends.
All storms pass, this shall too.
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^Thanks for the kind words
^Thanks for the kind words and loving comments Joe.
I don't want any of this and really pray it never comes to this but if it does I've obviously thought a lot about it.
You are not weird at all, I feel your vibe 100%
I really sincerely hope the United States of America can persevere like you said. Honestly I feel ashamed bc of all these ridiculous antics and that 1/2 the country, despite REPEATED warnings beforehand
didn't listen and chose wrong in every way shape or form.
I love all you like minded music loving freaks!
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQNkIrg-Tk&pp=ygUZYSBjb3VudHJ5IGJveSBjYW4...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Semolina Pilchard
fishcane, I'm guessing you're
fishcane, I'm guessing your uncle is more the exception rather than the rule for MAGA types. I don't doubt there are people like him, but I think the rank and file--on both sides--are mostly caught up in the maintenance of their lifestyles, no matter how rich or meager that might be. Sure, folks spout off on the interwebz all the time, but it takes a whole lot to move people from talk to action.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island
A close (I think he'd say he
A close (I think he'd say he's leftist) friend is preparing with weapons (guns including rifles, shotguns, handguns), bows and arrows, knives, and more) in case he needs to protect himself, his family and friends. He's really into it. He'd say he's woke and weaponized.
I can't get there at all. I think I'd be shocked by how many people I know have guns other than for hunting - do I want to know?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=azYxPf_Ahp4&pp=ygUpaWYgaSBoYWQgYSByb2NrZXQ...
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Do you anyone think my 3:39
Do you anyone think my 3:39 post is indiscreet or risky?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Semolina Pilchard
Nope.
Nope.
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^ Thank you
^ Thank you
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GoneGoodbye
Not at all.
Not at all.
Pacifist version has a baseball bat and bear spray by the front door.
Pacifist has said "if I think I need to own a firearm I'm living in the wrong place."
Maybe time for pacifist to move?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
>>Do you anyone think my 3:39
>>Do you anyone think my 3:39 post is indiscreet or risky?<<
Yes. Resorting to bow and arrow for self defense is an incredibly risky proposition
Much higher survivability with crossbow, especially in confined space
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GoneGoodbye
Nice Bss!
Nice Bss!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GoneGoodbye
Pacifist now wants a crossbow
Pacifist now wants a crossbow.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf
Knives too, for that matter
Knives too, for that matter
you know how to win a knife fight?
run.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: treat island
Crossbow is accurate to what
Crossbow is accurate to what he has, rather than just a Bow and arrows. I am imprecise about some of these things that I'm uncomfortable about.
You guys are just cool. Thanks
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: MarkD
you know how to win a knife
you know how to win a knife fight?
Bring a gun.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Astro
"you know how to win a knife
"you know how to win a knife fight?
Bring a gun."
Finally someone that gets it!!!
Having said that winning by violence is not a great path to long term resolution if we want to stick with democracy. There are so many folks that have been bamboozled, lied to and intentionally gas lit that haven't figured it out yet. We'd be way better off if the yahoos figured it out and willfully shift allegiances.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee
There is only one way to
There is only one way to settle this:
Biden vs. Trump Thunderdome match. Two men enter, one man leaves.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GoneGoodbye
I'd much rather see a Harris
I'd much rather see a Harris vs Trump Thunderdome match.
Watch the ultimate humiliation of a pathetic POS.