if i can pay less for concerts, beer and hot dogs, im pretty sure i can forgive biden arming and funding an ethnic cleansing campaign. god bless the usa
Funny you mentioned the hot dogs. I just re-watched the Grateful Dead Movie and there is the scene in the hallway where the guy buys a hot dog for 60 cents. I even mentioned that part to my wife because it was so shocking.
if i can pay less for concerts, beer and hot dogs, im pretty sure i can forgive biden America arming and funding an ethnic cleansing campaign. god bless the usa
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration is moving toward reclassifying marijuana as a less dangerous drug. The Justice Department proposal would recognize the medical uses of cannabis, but wouldn’t legalize it for recreational use.
The proposal would move marijuana from the “Schedule I” group to the less tightly regulated “Schedule III.”
So what does that mean, and what are the implications?
Daylight - it's comments and attitudes like yours that will get Trump re-elected because that position [and other justice warrior comments] are viewed as worse for the country. These idiots on college campuses giving aid and comfort to Hamas and Iran are turning voters off and on to Trump
It's true. Gaza was an ethnically diverse place before 10/7. It's Joe's fault that it's no longer so. The Arab world in general is super heterogeneous.
Brian - not only heterogeneous but welcoming and tolerant and fully in favor of women's and gay rights! if only the protesters would go to Arab world and see how wonderful and free it is
Let's not pink wash here. It's important to keep our eyes on the prize and focus on what's really important: changing the definitions of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" to meet our agenda. Oh, and turning the word "Zionist" into a pejorative. These are the imperatives.
Different sides of the same coin. If you see differently, then we disagree. That's cool.
now
would someone please clearly explain the definitions of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" to the class?
Because the semantic posturing over, under, and around these words is absolutely exhausting, and it effectively prohibits frank discussion from ever getting off the ground.
> would someone please clearly explain the definitions of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" to the class?
The goal of both is the same: getting rid of a group of people based on their ethnic, political, or religious identity, but the methods used to achieve that goal may vary. Genocide involves killing. Ethnic cleansing may or may not involved killing, but instead use force or intimidation to remove the targeted group of people.
I really have no idea what the term Zionist means. I suppose I could look on wikipedia, but would probably be more interesting to hear a Zoner definition. Seems like it is probably one of those words that has 10 different definitions depending on the 10 people you ask. Kinda like communist or socialist.
All I know about the word Zion is that it means something like 'The Promised Land.' I lived in Salt Lake City for almost a decade and the Mormons throw around the word Zion alot. I'm being honest when I say I don't know the meaning of a Zionist. If it is someone who thinks God promised them some land, then I'm probably not a Zionist. I fully admit I have no way of knowing what God thinks about things.
I do love Zion National Park by the way. If you have never been it is worth the effort.
I don't know. In the pure sense of it I'm a Zionist and believe in Israel's right to exist as a Jewish homeland. I understand why there's a need. I don't harbor any ill will or think others are less or less worthy. I hate how it has played out with the Palestinian people for 75 years. They've been fucked by Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and the entire Arabian Peninsula. That's pretty much what most Zionists believe, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, there is a far right fringe that are absolutely pieces of shit and maybe worse than supremacists because they have power in this government. It's not fair to classify all Zionism with their particular brand.
The far right Christian Zionists suck ass too. They only want it so everyone dies in the rapture and their sorry asses will live forever in the kingdom of Heaven.
I heard a statement that goes something like: 'murder one person and they throw you in jail, murder 1200 and they call you a war hero.' Something like that, It seems Hamas was banking on that concept. And the Israeli government has now doubled down on that very same concept.
Also, at this point I think the word "Zionist" is useless and outdated. It's a fucking country and it isn't going away. Zionist or not, it's in the world's interest to finally figure out how to make it work, for everyone. The 75 year status who got us here, and it's tearing shit up.
Zionism was just an idea to create a Jewish state in what was then called Palestine. It wasn't going anywhere much like all the plans everyone has in every state to break off from the US. After WWII that changed, and between guilt on the part of the west, the need for a strong ally to protect the oil, and no one giving a fuck about the arab population at the time Israel was created by Zionists and immediately recognized as a state by the US.
Today as far as I can tell it is used by the US Pro-Palestine people as a way to deflect being racist - I'm not antisemitic I'm anti Zionist - but what they really mean is that Israel in 2024 is a colonist country filled with settlers and that it needs to be given back to the Palestinians and all the Israelis need to go home or something like that. Some pretend that there is some sort of vague plan that this can happen peacefully, but if you look at what many of the orgs that have been running the demonstrations have said is that all Israelis are settlers and settlers are enemy combatants therefore Hamas did not kill civilians.
If this were a demonstration about calling for a cease fire, re-examining US aid to Israel, releasing the hostages, and getting more aid into Gaza there would be broad public support, but the people running these demonstrations, and I know not all the people at the demonstrations, have made this a referendum on whether Israel should exist, and if you confront them on that they accuse you of supporting genocide. That is kind of where things stand now.
I just want to point out that holding people responsible for actions previous generations made is not a way to achieve peace. We tried that after WWI with Germany and we didn't get the outcomes we were looking for. Israel exists as a nuclear armed state. If your solutions is that Israel needs to be eliminated you aren't for peace you are for war like no one alive today has seen.
Seems that any and all criticism of Israel is too often equated with hatred and wanting the destruction of Jewish people, which is ridiculous.
The murderers of October 7 are despicable criminals who should all be brought to justice. Bombing the shit out of Gaza for over half a year, killing thousands upon thousands of children and other innocent people is not justified under those, or any circumstances.
I object to the endless support by the United States for Israel as demonstrated by the billions of tax dollars sent their way unconditionally year after year, decade after decade, while we are not afforded a decent social safety net here at home. It makes me feel like a second-class citizen in my own country.
Also, you can't be both a democracy and a religious state. I object to a Jewish state, a Muslim state, a Hindu or Christian state, or any other religion. Practice your religion freely, but keep it out of government. Secular government!
So 23 Muslim majority Countries have Islam as their State Religion.
Doesn't matter if one objects to a Jewish State or a Muslim State, they aren't going anywhere. Of course the Protests only focus on opposing the ONE Jewish State in the World. And yes, it's also a Democracy.
I'm with Roarshock. The US government is becoming way too influenced by a certain religious strain these days. When any one religion basically controls government either overtly or covertly then democracy really can't function properly. One thing the founders of our country got just about exactly right was that our government can't respect one religion over another. All are equally protected under the law. At least theoretically.
It seems the "originalists" on the supreme court can't follow their own dogma when it comes to the very plainly worded 1st Amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Countries need to figure out if they are Democracies or religious states. Religious states can't tolerate Democracy very well, but Democracies can tolerate the free exercise of religion quite well.
These two things are not the same. Israel is a majority Jewish state that is run by Jews but you can practice any religion in Israel and there are Muslim parties made up of Israeli Muslims that have representation in the Israeli parliament. There is no religious freedom in Muslim states. There is a man in Pakistan that has been sentence to death for committing blasphemy on social media. There are no Jewish political parties that are part of the government in Muslim states.
Finally there are nearly a million Israeli Jews who were forced by penalty of death to move to Israel from Muslim countries. There are millions of Palestinians who have been forced to move by Israel and they aren't allowed to settle into Muslim countries because Muslim countries want them living in horrid conditions so that they have an endless supply of people they can count on to attack Israel.
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on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 – 01:48 pm
Any cartel member worth their
Any cartel member worth their weight in hundred dollar bills knows $14 hot dogs are going to bring unwanted attention.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 – 02:00 pm
Sonoran hot dogs mmmmmm
Sonoran hot dogs
mmmmmm
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on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 – 02:19 pm
Made with real dog!
Made with real dog!
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on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 – 02:25 pm
$14 hotdogs. Yup.
$14 hot dogs.
Yup.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Localcountyline Localcountyline
on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 – 02:27 pm
Pairs nicely with the $20
Pairs nicely with the $20 beers....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 – 02:54 pm
if i can pay less for
if i can pay less for concerts, beer and hot dogs, im pretty sure i can forgive biden arming and funding an ethnic cleansing campaign. god bless the usa
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 – 03:11 pm
Funny you mentioned the hot
Funny you mentioned the hot dogs. I just re-watched the Grateful Dead Movie and there is the scene in the hallway where the guy buys a hot dog for 60 cents. I even mentioned that part to my wife because it was so shocking.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 – 03:12 pm
FTFY
FTFY
if i can pay less for concerts, beer and hot dogs, im pretty sure i can forgive
bidenAmerica arming and funding an ethnic cleansing campaign. god bless the usaTop of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 – 03:43 pm
Lockheed Martin precision
Lockheed Martin and all beef hot dogs
I mean
what's more american than that?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 – 03:46 pm
Raytheon and General Tso's
Raytheon and General Tso's chicken. USA, USA!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: gypsy tailwind T.O.D.
on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 – 06:32 pm
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Tuesday, April 30, 2024 – 02:59 pm
Wow
Wow
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Tuesday, April 30, 2024 – 03:17 pm
Keep giving your money to
Keep giving your money to live nation
Why do I feel like a broken record
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bobstar Dogcatcher
on Tuesday, April 30, 2024 – 03:18 pm
ethnic cleansing - that's
ethnic cleansing - that's hysterical and downright idiotic
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Semolina Pilchard mikeedwardsetc
on Wednesday, May 1, 2024 – 07:36 pm
Joe's not here, man.
Joe's not here, man.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Dr. Benway daylight
on Wednesday, May 1, 2024 – 07:39 pm
ethnic cleansing - that's
avg zionist slogan
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: gypsy tailwind T.O.D.
on Wednesday, May 1, 2024 – 09:39 pm
>> The proposal would move
>> The proposal would move marijuana from the “Schedule I” group to the less tightly regulated “Schedule III.”
ya think
however it goes, we still in the cut
but, yeah thanks bern?!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: gypsy tailwind T.O.D.
on Wednesday, May 1, 2024 – 10:17 pm
my bad...
my bad...
joe biden
feel his bern
thanks bejeebus
love having him in the corner
bless'd
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on Wednesday, May 1, 2024 – 11:26 pm
feel me
https://youtu.be/ypKSbnYOrwE?si=o6bWwfsGKF1ISDdz
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bobstar Dogcatcher
on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 04:20 pm
Daylight - it's comments and
Daylight - it's comments and attitudes like yours that will get Trump re-elected because that position [and other justice warrior comments] are viewed as worse for the country. These idiots on college campuses giving aid and comfort to Hamas and Iran are turning voters off and on to Trump
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 05:31 pm
It's true. Gaza was an
It's true. Gaza was an ethnically diverse place before 10/7. It's Joe's fault that it's no longer so. The Arab world in general is super heterogeneous.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bobstar Dogcatcher
on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 05:37 pm
Brian - not only
Brian - not only heterogeneous but welcoming and tolerant and fully in favor of women's and gay rights! if only the protesters would go to Arab world and see how wonderful and free it is
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 05:48 pm
Let's not pink wash here. It
Let's not pink wash here. It's important to keep our eyes on the prize and focus on what's really important: changing the definitions of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" to meet our agenda. Oh, and turning the word "Zionist" into a pejorative. These are the imperatives.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 06:16 pm
Christian nationalism
Christian nationalism
zionism
Different sides of the same coin. If you see differently, then we disagree. That's cool.
now
would someone please clearly explain the definitions of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" to the class?
Because the semantic posturing over, under, and around these words is absolutely exhausting, and it effectively prohibits frank discussion from ever getting off the ground.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Semolina Pilchard mikeedwardsetc
on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 06:23 pm
> would someone please
> would someone please clearly explain the definitions of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" to the class?
The goal of both is the same: getting rid of a group of people based on their ethnic, political, or religious identity, but the methods used to achieve that goal may vary. Genocide involves killing. Ethnic cleansing may or may not involved killing, but instead use force or intimidation to remove the targeted group of people.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: billionyearoldcarbon thegunkman
on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 06:43 pm
I really have no idea what
I really have no idea what the term Zionist means. I suppose I could look on wikipedia, but would probably be more interesting to hear a Zoner definition. Seems like it is probably one of those words that has 10 different definitions depending on the 10 people you ask. Kinda like communist or socialist.
All I know about the word Zion is that it means something like 'The Promised Land.' I lived in Salt Lake City for almost a decade and the Mormons throw around the word Zion alot. I'm being honest when I say I don't know the meaning of a Zionist. If it is someone who thinks God promised them some land, then I'm probably not a Zionist. I fully admit I have no way of knowing what God thinks about things.
I do love Zion National Park by the way. If you have never been it is worth the effort.
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on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 06:45 pm
'The Rules of War' I always
'The Rules of War' I always thought was a funny concept.
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on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 06:49 pm
I don't know. In the pure
I don't know. In the pure sense of it I'm a Zionist and believe in Israel's right to exist as a Jewish homeland. I understand why there's a need. I don't harbor any ill will or think others are less or less worthy. I hate how it has played out with the Palestinian people for 75 years. They've been fucked by Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and the entire Arabian Peninsula. That's pretty much what most Zionists believe, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, there is a far right fringe that are absolutely pieces of shit and maybe worse than supremacists because they have power in this government. It's not fair to classify all Zionism with their particular brand.
The far right Christian Zionists suck ass too. They only want it so everyone dies in the rapture and their sorry asses will live forever in the kingdom of Heaven.
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on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 06:51 pm
I heard a statement that goes
I heard a statement that goes something like: 'murder one person and they throw you in jail, murder 1200 and they call you a war hero.' Something like that, It seems Hamas was banking on that concept. And the Israeli government has now doubled down on that very same concept.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 06:57 pm
Also, at this point I think
Also, at this point I think the word "Zionist" is useless and outdated. It's a fucking country and it isn't going away. Zionist or not, it's in the world's interest to finally figure out how to make it work, for everyone. The 75 year status who got us here, and it's tearing shit up.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 07:02 pm
Israel ' Zionists' support
Israeli ' Zionists' support religious freedom
>The Declaration of Independence of 1948 also guarantees freedom of religion for all, irrespective of religion.
But yeah, let's equate the Muslim Nations, Hamas and Far Right Christian Nationalist agenda to Zionists. Oy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 08:08 pm
Zionism was just an idea to
Zionism was just an idea to create a Jewish state in what was then called Palestine. It wasn't going anywhere much like all the plans everyone has in every state to break off from the US. After WWII that changed, and between guilt on the part of the west, the need for a strong ally to protect the oil, and no one giving a fuck about the arab population at the time Israel was created by Zionists and immediately recognized as a state by the US.
Today as far as I can tell it is used by the US Pro-Palestine people as a way to deflect being racist - I'm not antisemitic I'm anti Zionist - but what they really mean is that Israel in 2024 is a colonist country filled with settlers and that it needs to be given back to the Palestinians and all the Israelis need to go home or something like that. Some pretend that there is some sort of vague plan that this can happen peacefully, but if you look at what many of the orgs that have been running the demonstrations have said is that all Israelis are settlers and settlers are enemy combatants therefore Hamas did not kill civilians.
If this were a demonstration about calling for a cease fire, re-examining US aid to Israel, releasing the hostages, and getting more aid into Gaza there would be broad public support, but the people running these demonstrations, and I know not all the people at the demonstrations, have made this a referendum on whether Israel should exist, and if you confront them on that they accuse you of supporting genocide. That is kind of where things stand now.
I just want to point out that holding people responsible for actions previous generations made is not a way to achieve peace. We tried that after WWI with Germany and we didn't get the outcomes we were looking for. Israel exists as a nuclear armed state. If your solutions is that Israel needs to be eliminated you aren't for peace you are for war like no one alive today has seen.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Roarshock Roarshock
on Thursday, May 2, 2024 – 11:45 pm
Seems that any and all
Seems that any and all criticism of Israel is too often equated with hatred and wanting the destruction of Jewish people, which is ridiculous.
The murderers of October 7 are despicable criminals who should all be brought to justice. Bombing the shit out of Gaza for over half a year, killing thousands upon thousands of children and other innocent people is not justified under those, or any circumstances.
I object to the endless support by the United States for Israel as demonstrated by the billions of tax dollars sent their way unconditionally year after year, decade after decade, while we are not afforded a decent social safety net here at home. It makes me feel like a second-class citizen in my own country.
Also, you can't be both a democracy and a religious state. I object to a Jewish state, a Muslim state, a Hindu or Christian state, or any other religion. Practice your religion freely, but keep it out of government. Secular government!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: That’s Nancy with the laughin’ face Nancyinthesky
on Friday, May 3, 2024 – 12:40 am
So 23 Muslim majority
So 23 Muslim majority Countries have Islam as their State Religion.
Doesn't matter if one objects to a Jewish State or a Muslim State, they aren't going anywhere. Of course the Protests only focus on opposing the ONE Jewish State in the World. And yes, it's also a Democracy.
https://www.uscirf.gov/publications/did-you-knowmuslim-constitutions
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on Friday, May 3, 2024 – 02:01 am
https://bdsmovement.net/what
https://bdsmovement.net/what-is-bds
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Friday, May 3, 2024 – 02:01 am
Oh, and again..
Oh, and again..
fuck live nation!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: billionyearoldcarbon thegunkman
on Friday, May 3, 2024 – 03:53 am
I'm with Roarshock. The US
I'm with Roarshock. The US government is becoming way too influenced by a certain religious strain these days. When any one religion basically controls government either overtly or covertly then democracy really can't function properly. One thing the founders of our country got just about exactly right was that our government can't respect one religion over another. All are equally protected under the law. At least theoretically.
It seems the "originalists" on the supreme court can't follow their own dogma when it comes to the very plainly worded 1st Amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Countries need to figure out if they are Democracies or religious states. Religious states can't tolerate Democracy very well, but Democracies can tolerate the free exercise of religion quite well.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Friday, May 3, 2024 – 01:43 pm
These two things are not the
These two things are not the same. Israel is a majority Jewish state that is run by Jews but you can practice any religion in Israel and there are Muslim parties made up of Israeli Muslims that have representation in the Israeli parliament. There is no religious freedom in Muslim states. There is a man in Pakistan that has been sentence to death for committing blasphemy on social media. There are no Jewish political parties that are part of the government in Muslim states.
Finally there are nearly a million Israeli Jews who were forced by penalty of death to move to Israel from Muslim countries. There are millions of Palestinians who have been forced to move by Israel and they aren't allowed to settle into Muslim countries because Muslim countries want them living in horrid conditions so that they have an endless supply of people they can count on to attack Israel.