King Crimson Concord Pavilion 8/5
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That band is just not for me, but what a great night, being back in a rock show environment and seeing friends again everywhere I went.
It's a real drag to have the constant worry about COVID lurking, but the show was outside, with probably 3,000 people in the 12,500 venue, and I tried to keep my distance and wear my mask, but it's definitely going to be a regular concern from now on. Let's go Booster Shots! (The Booster Shots is a good name for a 21st Century band).
I've seen KC a couple of times in the past, and as always they were amazingly skilled and are clearly great at what they do, but it's all just too mechanical, too ridged, too mathematical for my taste. I went because I could, because I figured with the smallish crowd it would be a good first time back at a real show and because I knew many friends who I haven't seen in a long time would be there. All of that worked well (it was great to see Hall, Dynamo & the legendary Furious E!) and I had huge fun all night being back in the environment I love, but I seriously doubt I'll go out of my way to see King Crimson again.
I'm not a big Zappa fan either, but The Zappa Band that opened were more entertaining for me and they were also very talented, although I didn't think they were as good as Dweezil's band, whatever they're called now.
As upcoming shows & events are ramping up on my calendar, and as I get ready to go back to working shows again after being mostly retired from that for a few years, I'm going to be watching very closely how this damned pandemic ebbs & flows, and try to be as careful as I can be when I'm out in the world (a friend fired up and passed a "goodie" to me last night and I took it without a thought, but then current reality reached in and I passed it back without imbibing. It smelled real good too. Poop on COVID!).
Just about everything I have scheduled is outside, but still in large crowds. As the news continues to be generally bad my cautious nature tells me to stayed holed up for a while longer, but at some point that's not living, it's just surviving, so my plan is to trust in the vaccinations, be cautious & try to be smart about what & where I go, take my chances and get back to life, and try not to totally freak out the first time I get a sore throat or a cold.
Anyway, back to the original topic; I think last night King Crimson did what they do really well, so if you like them you'll probably like this tour.
As Bill Graham used to say, "Don't give your life to rock 'n roll....... but come close!"
So,
GTTS!
(But be careful)
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Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
They are not for everyone...
They are not for everyone... explaining the allure is kinda akin to explaining another band I love to non fans
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba
It's an acquired taste, like
It's an acquired taste, like licorice... only in KC's case, it's more like Larks Tongues in Aspic
The Court of the Crimson King - August 5, 2021 - Concord Pavilion. (Claypool Lennon Delirium cover this)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vr-wDLD5_c
(I love the improv of the early 70's KC)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Localcountyline
I was just reading about
I was just reading about aspic making a comeback, and of course thought about that album.
Good that you got out there Lance; my first show "back" was Weir at the Greek. Kind of a different vibe from Concord,
but I've only seen a few shows there.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rob Scalcione
Hey Heathentom! Wish I would
Hey Heathentom! Wish I would have seen you from a short distance! I was there and really enjoyed the evening. It was my first "big show" in a year and a half...
For old times sake:
King Crimson
Thursday, Aug. 5, 2021
Concord Pavilion
Concord, CA
Support:
California Guitar Trio 7:00pm - 7:30pm
Andromeda
Yamanashi Blues
Alva (from the Gaudella Trilogy on Elegy)
Punta Patri
The Marsh
Echoes (Pink Floyd cover)
The Zappa Band 7:45pm - 8:30pm
Zomby Woof
Peaches En Rigalia
I Ain’t Got No Heart
Marqueson’s Chicken
Village of the Sun
Echidna’s Arf (Of You)
City of Tiny Lites
Alien Orifice
Florentine Pogen
Andy (followed by band intros)
King Crimson
9:00pm - 10:30pm
Intro (Fripp’s music can change the world intro/announcement)
Islands Coda
Drumsons
Pictures of a City
The Court of The Crimson King
Red
One More Red Nightmare
Islands
Radical Action II
Level Five
Indiscipline
Starless
Encore:
21st Century Schizoid Man (w/drum solo)
Set list compiled by Rob Scalcione
Because the Phans want to know!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
Hey! A Rob Scalcione sighting
Hey! A Rob Scalcione sighting!!!
I now feel my thread is a success!!!
Don't be a stranger around here Rob, and I look forward to seeing you in 3D sooner than later.
GTTS!
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Great seein' ya Lance, and I
Great seein' ya Lance, and I'm with ya on Crimson, I was mainly interested in this show for two reasons: One, I haven't been able to GTTS since the 1st lockdown; and two, seeing the FZ band again, which I really like (Furious E turned me onto mr Mike Keneally a while back and he's one of those players I just can't seem to get enough of). But if you had told me it was going to be a short FZB set with the volume too low (I blame Fripp), I would have probably passed on the whole thing. As it was, I was happy I went... it was great to be in a live music setting and to get to see and hang with friends again.
As for Crimson, I agree that they are very very good at what they do, but for me, there is too much tension and not enough release, and their slower, more melodic songs are somewhat melancholy, as opposed to some of my favorite prog bands (Yes, 70's Genesis, Camel) who could also be extremely technical, but who would also intermix stuff that was beautiful and interesting (and sweet, even).
I have seen KC a few times now and have put in many hours of listening to their live and studio albums, and for me, they are predictable and, as Lance said, sterile (again, I blame Fripp). So I will continue to listen to them in short bursts, but I don't think I'll ever pony up the see them, even if they do manage another North American tour, which is a big if.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
>>>sterile (again, I blame
>>>sterile (again, I blame Fripp)<<<
It's funny, because my first real exposure to Robert Fripp was from The First Day, the collaborative album & tour he did with David Sylvian in 1993.
Doing an album with the incredibly dark David Sylvian, the songs on that album were definitely melancholy, but there was a really good rockin' edge to them as well, and the live show was fucking great (my friend & I chose it over Pearl Jam at the Warfield the same night, which in '93 was a BIG deal show). That album and especially the live show made me a Fripp fan, so when I saw KC a while later I was excited for more of that, but clearly, Fripp's King Crimson vision is more orchestral than rock.
I became a big fan of David Sylvian from that album & show as well. The only other time he's toured he played the Fillmore a year or two later and it was one of the quietest, darkest, most melancholy shows I've ever seen, and it was also one of the best shows I've ever seen in that room; it was mesmerizingly brilliant. I've always been very disappointed that he's never come back around again.
Anyone who's a Fripp fan but isn't familiar with The First Day, I'd recommend giving that one a listen.
Thanks for chiming in here googly, I was interested in your take on the show. And I got some fun props from the photo of your wife and I that she shared on facebook. Two different friends asked me who my good looking date was. I had to tell them that, as usual, I was just hanging with a group of folks a league (or two) above me.
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Thanks for the heads up on
Thanks for the heads up on First Day, I'm always looking to fill the [many] gaps in my music. And I appreciate what KC brings and had some great moments rocking the fuck out, but I think I've had my fill of paying big money to see this band basically play the same stuff the same exact way.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Don't worry fellas, Crimson
Don't worry fellas, Crimson ain't for everybody that's fer sure,, most people don't get em at all. But to the faithful, nobody else comes close. They're tighter than a cats ass. I have to laugh when I hear folks mention a genesis or yes in the same breath. They are nowhere near crimson. KC, like the dead, are totally unique to what they do, and have no close 2nd's. And I have to laugh louder at the mention they are repetitious. NOT. Layers and layers and layers of sonic exploration.
Crimson is free to explore the intricacies of a field nobody else touches, mixing loud rock's ability to sledgehammer with a classicist's ear for tricky time changes and complex textures. Can't wait for the New Haven show.
Lance didn't even like the Zappa band ? Wow poor fella, Lucille must really have messed your mind up.
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Ras, will you be sitting on
Ras, will you be sitting on your ass quietly nodding like all the 'faithful' I saw at Concord? What a boring bunch... I may not be able to hear differences between what they do on their albums vs what they're doing live, but at least I was on my feet rockin' out the entire show.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Lol KC is not a dance band,
Lol KC is not a dance band, never was, never will be. They're a listening mans band. I'm sure most in attendance were over 50 or 60, probably closer to 70. That's the base and they don't dance even at weddings. Lol not to worry moogly, you wana dance you still got dead n co.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
I didn't say I didn't like
>>>most in attendance were (men) over 50 or 60, probably closer to 70. That's the base<<<
I wouldn't say that's their base, I'd say that's the entirety of their audience. Nothing wrong with that, that describes me as well, it just shows the music appeals to a certain and limited set of people.
And I didn't say I didn't like the Zappa band. They were fine, but while fully acknowledging the greatness of the music, in general I'm just not a big fan of most of Zappa's music. I figure, much like King Crimson, the better one knows the music the better it will be.
Whatever, I saw Zappa himself once and enjoyed that show a lot (more the songs he played guitar than the ones he just sang) and I've seen Dweezil's band a few times and enjoyed those, one especially, and this band was really good, it just didn't connect to me personally that night.
>>>Lucille must really have messed your mind up<<<
Is that the one about a mountain growing out of somebody's shoulder? If so, that one IS a deal-breaker for me.
As for "prog rock" or some other label for KC, I've never thought of them as a prog rock band. To me they have always sort of defied a simple label like that. If anything, they're more a fusion band, but not like fusion jazz, more as you said Ras, a unique (and brilliant) fusion of various approaches. It's just not an approach that has ever connected to me.
But no one can like everything, and there's lots of other stuff I like, so don't feel bad for me Ras.
And did anyone say King Crimson is "repetitious" in this thread? That's not a word I'd use to describe their music. Mathematical, mechanical, rigid, precise are what comes to my mind, but that's just how it comes across to me. Those might be shallow interpretations, but I don't think one could argue they're inaccurate, and really shouldn't be laughed at.
I suppose at some point someone will come along and say they "have no soul".
THAT you can laugh at.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
This was a hell of a tour,
Well at least you're not long winded. Lol Joni Mitchell they ain't.
This was a hell of a tour, the Adrian Belew version. JPJ killed it too.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
Someone who is defending King
Someone who is defending King Crimson and their style of music has a problem with someone being "long winded"?
I find that ironic.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Hitchhiker awaiting "true call"
They sound soulless.
They sound soulless.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
Yes that's the allure^^
Yes that's the allure^^
frightening feeling for sure but it's not for the faint of heart
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Only 2 lines, WTF. Lance who
Only 2 lines, WTF. Lance who's your new ghostwriter ?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
I seek to confound
I seek to confound expectations.
>>> who's your new ghostwriter<<<
You should see my posts BEFORE I edit.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: pride of cupertino
If you know Fripp’s history,
If you know Fripp’s history, seven years with one KC lineup is far and away the record. They started in 2014.
I’ve seen Crimson 25 times now over the years. I went to two shows on this current tour, fully expecting that these would be the last Crimson shows we’ll ever see in the US. They were magnificent shows, and a great way to go out. Schizoid Man scorching encore, I’m good. If anyone still wants to see King Crimson, you basically have between now and Sep 11 in DC to figure it out and go.
Just saying.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
"A listening man's band"
"A listening man's band"
To each their own I can understand why some people like it
I can understand why and how I do not connect
Maybe I am not an intellectual or some fucking bullshit
I was also pretty damn disappointed with Zappa Bring back Frank at Winterland
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
They're tighter than a cats
I have to agree that KC, in all of it's various purmulations, have been quite tight. I think what turns many off is that they can be too tight and, as referenced above, sterile. Not my cup of tea very often and I am not searching they out on this tour. I'm good with what I have seen and heard already.
As for the second part of what I quoted, While one can compare KC, Yes and Genesis; should they? I find each ot them on a different branch of what people call progressive...some common genetics but different beasts entirely. That being said, I would give my live performance nood to Yes in the period of Close To The Edge until the end of the Patrick Moraz period. The pieces from Relayer are a complex as anything else performed and the live spark made for some really exciting listening.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
It's all a matter of taste
It's all a matter of taste and mood. Sometimes I enjoy nice melodic dead, or John Sebastian's Lovin' Spoonful,, sometimes I enjoy the intricate madness of KC. But I couldn't listen to em all the time. Live they're sumthin else,, and like Jerry sang, "Someday they'll be gone" so gotta enjoy em while we can,, they're special.
Jimi to Fripp - " Shake my left hand man, it's closer to my heart "
The band Jimi Hendrix called "the best group in the world"
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/jimi-hendrix-named-his-favourite-band-of-al...
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^^^ Nice article Ras
^^^ Nice article Ras
Alls I got to say is Tony freakin Levin !
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur
Alls I got to say is Tony
Yep.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane
I saw him in a trio just
I saw him in a trio just recently with about 50 people in the audience. Amazing musician and a heck of a guy to chat with. Hoping he is the hometown spokesperson at the Royal Package program in canandaigua next week
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead
Movement matters
Movement matters
and tony is awesome fyi
Legendary guitarist Carlos Santana announced that his star-studded new album titled Blessings and Miracles will be released worldwide on Oct. 15. Santana also released the first single off the album titled “Move” in conjunction with the announcement.
The single “Move” features the guitar icon teamed up again with Matchbox 20’s Rob Thomas along with the American Authors. Santana and Thomas came together in 1999 for their single “Smooth” which won multiple Grammys.
“‘Move’ came about very much like how ‘Smooth’ happened,” Santana recalls. “It was like divine intelligence behind the scenes, and I just knew I had to record it with Rob. The song is about awakening your molecules. Ignite and activate yourself – you know, move. When Rob and I work together, we have a sound that’s splendiferous.”
Blessings and Miracles will feature a wide array of collaborations with a diverse lineup of acclaimed artists, writers and producers including Chris Stapleton, Steve Winwood, Chick Corea, Rick Rubin, Corey Glover, Kirk Hammett, Ally Brooke and Narada Michael Walden and more.
Blessings and Miracles is expected to be one of the most inspired, ambitious and mystical albums of Santana’s career, on which the legendary musician aims higher than ever before. “The title of this album comes from my belief that we’re born with heavenly powers that allow us to create blessings and miracles,” Santana said in a press release. “The world programs you to be unworthy of those gifts, but we have to utilize light, spirit and soul – they’re indestructible and immutable. Those are the three main elements on this album.”
Santana will be going on tour with Blessings and Miracles from mid-September through early October.
There is a place in the world for the meat in the seat crowd
i prefer movement of molecules
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>>> Lol not to worry moogly,
>>> Lol not to worry moogly, you wana dance you still got dead n co.
I said 'rock out', not 'dance', and I've never seen DeadCo and don't plan to. When I want to hear the GD, I play some GD. Loud. And I rock the fuck out!
But carry on with your cliche deader than thou elitist attitude and put downs about someone else's opinions/musical tastes... Fripp's probably at least partly to blame for that, too. ;-}
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba
Huge Fripp / King Crimson fan
Huge Fripp / King Crimson fan... love the innovators. (some of those live shows in 72 - 74 were brilliant). Loved the Adrian Belew years, a fresh approach to rock and roll... (too bad he couldn't play guitar w/ Dweezles band because his guitar tech played in a Zappa tribute band, which got him banned by the Zappa kids... and he's the guitar tech for Steve Howe, Greg Lake (RIP), etc)
Glad I got to see the current ensemble when they were in Seattle, never thought I'd get to see those 70 tunes live, and now I have.
Here's a punk version of Fripp I love; (Some of you might prefer it to his other material... might)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DevXeXJl4_k
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Some good stories with Adrian.
The Story Behind The Artist: Adrian Belew, part 1: 1976-1980 (Zappa, Bowie, Talking Heads)
https://musicaficionado.blog/2020/02/20/adrian-belew-part-1-1976-1980/
The Story Behind The Artist: Adrian Belew, part 2: 1981-1984 (King Crimson)
https://musicaficionado.blog/2020/03/18/adrian-belew-part-2-1981-1984-ki...
The Story Behind The Artist: Adrian Belew, part 3: 1981-1984 (guest appearances and solo albums)
https://musicaficionado.blog/2020/04/22/adrian-belew-part-3-1981-1984-gu...
Yeah buddy, those Bill Buford years were pretty sick.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
Nice to see the thread pick
Nice to see this thread pick up a little conversation. A band as extreme as King Crimson is always going to generate a broad range of opinions, and discussing that is IMO a fine thing to do.
I was going to say earlier (before edits) that I wish I had seen them as a four-piece with Bruford & Belew. As someone who plays the drums, loves the drums, and loves double-drumming, I've not been able to find that same positive feeling for this incarnation, with THREE drummers.
Even though the third drummer was often playing keyboards, I still don't quite get the seriously up-front drumming approach, both physical & sonic, in this current band. Especially with the drummers being in front of the band everything is so power foward with the drums it was hard for me to find the dynamics in the sound.
I'm going to give those links a listen when I get some time. I love Bill Bruford, I would think that Belew & Fripp would be an excellent guitar combo, and to me I think a four-piece would make the sound more spare and even as a group, giving each member of the band more room to rise & fall in the sound.
Posts like Pride of Cupertino's are good ones though, as clearly there are many who DO enjoy what these guys do now.
I'm interested in hearing what FuriousE thought of the show, and I've been hoping that SoCal Bill might drop in with some comments, as I seem to recall that he was a big KC fan, so keep the discussion going folks.
Just maybe without the insults.
(One can dream)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
You fuckin Californians,
You fuckin Californians, always Dreamin' (on such a winter's day)
And it's Bill Bruford silly man ras, , lance got it, and with no insults. For that kind of error I expected the worst.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
There's a place for a good
There's a place for a good insult now & then Ras, but my problem with them during conversations with people who have different opinions is that the insults make it personal and will completely change the direction of a discussion.
Once the insults start people get defensive and go to attack mode, and then it's not a conversation anymore, it just becomes another shallow, mud slinging circle jerk.
I like to hear people's opinions. I like to hear opinions that are different than mine. Sometimes I learn something, sometimes not, but I also like the debate, and it's a lot easier to actually listen to & consider a different opinion if that person isn't calling you an idiot because you think something different than them.
I guess that makes me fuckin' weird.
And there I go with the insults!
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I'm not even a fan of two
I'm not even a fan of two drummers, much less three, and with them up in front I couldn't always hear/feel the stellar bass. And while I'm nit picking at stuff (because overall, I really enjoyed the show, I just don't need to see them live again in their current incarnation... 3 times was enough)... anyway, I thought the sax at times was turned up too high (sounding like "the stranglin' of cats") which made it tough for me to hear and focus on Fripp's playing, which is something I always try to do, but is not always easy since they often have so much other LOUD shit going on (him sitting sideways back in the corner doesn't help). So it will come as no surprise that probably my favorite song of the night was Starless where Levin is featured and up front in the mix and Fripp could easily be heard building building building the song before it gets into the heavier drumming/power chords.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
>>>'m not even a fan of two
>>>'m not even a fan of two drummers<<<
Jeez, you're a fuckin' idiot! You wouldn't know good rhythm if you ran into it on your bike!!!!
See, that's not very nice.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
Billy carried the load so
I hear ya googly, Billy carried the load so right when he was the only one, but then again two drummers that laid it down just exactly perfect on a nightly basis were Jaimoe + Butch. Those 2 fuckers had the magic beats all sewed up and played off each other like they were born from the same womb. Perfect synchronicity.
Mickey + Billy not so much, they always seemed to be in their own separate groove, sometimes not gelling at all.
Too tough to call with KC, they are such a unique beast. Anything seems to fit in to me,,, beats, notes, squeals, squawks, strangeness.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skyjunk
I prefer jelly over gelling,
I prefer jelly over gelling, and that different beat syncs everyone that is out of sync. I love the Grateful Dead!
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>>>>(sounding like "the
>>>>(sounding like "the stranglin' of cats")
exactly what there going for
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^stole that line from someone
^stole that line from someone else (they were actually referring to bagpipes).
Lance, you ignorant manslut, everyone knows two drummers sound like a pair of shoes in a dryer.
Agreed on Billy, Ras. When it was just him, he was better able to improvise with whatever Jerry and Phil were layin' down. Hey, thanks for being civil, I hope you have a great weekend.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic
I believe the term is "two
I believe the term is "two bowling balls . . ."
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary
<< Lance, you ignorant
<< Lance, you ignorant manslut
That could be ' insult of the year ' right there. Makes anything ol brother pyroheat posted seem pale in comparison.
Damn it googly I'm still trying to break myself of the asshole habit. Sometimes I have trouble curtailing it. Dualing forces at work inside my brain,, you understand.
You and everybody have a good weekend - possible hurricane headed our way in the northeast. Not sure how that central park concert's gonna make out.
I've got four hang-ups I'm trying to beat
Four directions and just two feet
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry
Don't underestimate what
For me, when done well two drummers create multiple, more complex levels/a 3rd dimension to the rhythm and a richness to the sound of a band. A second drummer tends to unlock & expand something in the music for me.
And while in their glory days I loved what Mickey added to the GD, I would always have to say Butch & Jaimoe did it best, but don't underestimate what double drumming brought to the Doobie Brothers, especially on record. To my ear that was the secret ingredient that made their great run of albums in the '70s more than just a string of simple songs.
Double drumming does tend to cause a slight loosness, or blurring of the rhythm, which to me seems so apposed to everything King Crimson is based on. How long have they used that setup, and has Fripp ever spoken on why he went that way and what he's trying to achieve with two/three drummers?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: donster
Just home from SPAC. Sorry
Just home from SPAC. Sorry to miss you, Fishcane, but I found a space to sit 10 feet away from anyone else after the lights went down. Originally bought tix for this tour like 18 months ago.
Was really glad to see live music again! Drove north from Albany and was treated to a wide rainbow on the way.. Drove home to a near full moon.
This band is locked in and tight as a drum ( or 3 drums) . Really missed what Adrian Belew brought to Crimson. Knew that he wasn't going to be there, but found that I really missed his vibe. The music was masterful and I was glad to be there, but also happy to duck out before the end and catch the end of the Yankees 10th win in a row > Utica 1973 on Sirius in the car.
Standing Ovation when the band came out and a few other times .... GTTS
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Thanks Donster! Great show,
Thanks Donster! Great show, got in a little late but ended up catching up with a friend who lives in glens falls who I haven't seen in 20 years so that was something else to be grateful to you for! And I still owe you a beer!
Last minute I decided to take up the invite to the Friends and family show on Sunday at the Egg; plus am hitting CMAC and artpark shows this week. Doing Royal Package for Cmac so plan to really soak in the Zappa set there. I was pretty nervous about the crowd thing but these shows are pretty sparse and the crowd is low key.
the shows are tight, see em if you can!
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No more mallet boy
No more mallet boy
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: uncmozo
Not sure why Crimson
Not sure why Crimson abandoned an outdoor show and moved indoors, but the Forest Hills show in NYC has been moved to The Beacon.
The VIP tix are now gone.
Music Is Our Friend
KING CRIMSON ANNOUNCES CHANGE OF SHOW IN NEW YORK
Due to unforeseen circumstances, King Crimson’s show at Forest Hills on Sep 9th has been cancelled. We have confirmed with the promoter that they will automatically refund all ticket holders in full, including any handling fees.
We know many people will be disappointed. Fortunately, we have been able to secure a new show for the same night, taking place at the Beacon Theatre in New York City on Sep 9th.
There is a 24-hour presale for the new show, starting at 10am today, open to all those with existing tickets for Forest Hills. We have asked the promoter to send an email with the necessary password to all existing ticket holders.
Public on-sale for the new show will be 10 am ET Friday 27th. For everyone’s safety and peace of mind, the new show is only open to those who are fully vaccinated.
We will automatically reassign all those who bought Royal Packages with DGM to similar prime seats at the new venue. Only those who wish to cancel their Royal Packages need contact iona@****.com.
We do have additional Royal Package seats available for the new show, which have now been put on sale on the DGMLive site:
September 9, 2021 - NYC - The Beacon Theatre
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https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbLbR-TWsj8&list=TLGG9dhrRQpj7yMyNzA4MjAyMQ
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Not sure why Crimson
i don't know for sure but other acts have had problems with the private tennis club on the same grounds. They have exclusive use of some areas and don't lose them when shows are there. Some acts don't like being that close to those outside of the production.
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Net gain imho
Net gain imho
One more crim show this go around tonight in art park. All 3 I've seen so far(Albany, spac, cmac)have been out of this world and if this is the end of this band configuration, they are going out with their A game
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>>>I'm interested in hearing
>>>I'm interested in hearing what FuriousE thought
well, u done did it now.
Much like missing the very ahead of schedule California guitar trio (seriously? 'Echos' set closer? How the hell was that?) I'm sorry I'm late to this meat in your seat, geriatric, prog nerd slap fight but, as always, u bet yo minimum goad ass I gots opinions!
Concord was the first concert I've attended in almost a year and a half, which is longer than I've gone without attending one in 20 years, so it was a pretty surreal day in many ways.
While I enjoyed the performances, king crimson is probably not the best first show to see after quarantine unless u want to b thoroughly thematically convinced mankind will still very likely b eliminated in the near future by mutant viruses both literally and figuratively.
if the high probability was not conveyed that man shall perish in an unforgiving wave of self wrought destruction brought about by his unwavering ignorance at being mere pawns in the court of the lord, chaos and that the red nightmare is most certainly upon us so one would do well to work tirelessly, though ultimately in vain, to put his own house in order and make peace with whatever maker his limited perception of the infinite, black, all enveloping eternity can conceive of, u might not have been paying very close attention...
>>>they sound soulless
soulless, starless, Bible black, to quote the Robert Fripp of many years ago in response to the request of one restless festival attendee who was apparently not very familiar with the group "we do not boogie"
And while I'm digging up old quotes from KC personnel, I'll remind everyone of the always relevant Bill Bruford classic "everything you've heard about king crimson is true, it's an absolutely terrifying place"
and that, my friends, is just one of the reasons the group, for better or for worse, doesn't use the single drummer format any longer.
Being in king crimson can devour one's mind and soul if you're not careful.
it would appear that the older and gentler Fripp's solution to this unfortunate dilemma is to add another drummer, and another one.
what's that? Too much? Don't tempt him, he'd sooner add a fourth (seriously, he's done it before) than take one away from the current iteration of the group.
he's a kinky old freak (for real, have u seen those quarantine YouTubes with toya?) and an excessive amount of drummers is what keeps the music loose, less predictable, and hopefully helps keep the musicians from descending into the unique spiral of madness the legendary mr. Bruford was alluding to.
get it? Too many drummers? Isn't that silly? R we having fun yet? Good, now here's another song about existential terror.
while we're discussing the soul swallowing, twisted hive borg that is KC, I agree that fripp's individual sound has become somewhat lost in the mix.
it would almost appear that he's mind melded with jakszyk (sic?) and they've become one sound for the most part.
good on jakko for stepping up but I miss that in your face fripp goodness.
We'll always have this lineup's first tour at the warfield though, hall, where our particular balcony seats felt like they were practically inside fripp's amp (insert Streisand's 'the way we were' here)
I'm sorry u were underwhelmed by the Zappa band, Lance.
they didn't get much of a fair shake, I imagine even if u saw them in a small club like hall, dynamo and I were fortunate enough to a couple years ago, u still may prefer dweezil and certainly actual Frank, but I'd like to see what you'd think of a Keneally band show.
As I've posted many times over the years, I really do feel he's one of the most underrated modern day progressive Rock musicians alive.
Hampered as they may have been by time and volume restraints, they still delivered the best 'I ain't got no heart' and 'Florentine pogen' I've ever seen.
incredibly solid version of 'alien orifice' and the end of 'Andy' may have been the only danceable portion of the entire evening.
'marqueson's chicken'?
I see u with your late 80's deep cuts, Keneally and I loves u for it, baby.
the Bobby Martin and Ray white harmony vocals r wonderful and Scott Thunes is the best Zappa bass playing u can see today, which is saying a lot cause virtually anyone who even attempts it is awesome.
i thank u all for your time and will now gladly field any questions
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Good shit, E, I always learn
Good shit, E, I always learn from write-ups like yours and Lance's, so thanks guys for schooling me in how to better understand/articulate what I'm experiencing.
Now bring Keneally and Co back as the headliner!
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Good take E
Good take E
perhaps soulless works for me
But I am not a devotee or even an intellectual snob (in this context)
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As Viva turns into the final
As Viva turns into the final corner, heading for the stretch run of 2021, E's post is IMO the Post Of The Year.
I knew you wouldn't let us down bub.
>>>I'm sorry u were underwhelmed by the Zappa band, Lance<<<
Never say "I'm sorry". Always say "I regret" or "I apologize".
(A free bit of corporate customer service dweebery for you)
And the Zappa band situation was set up to fail for me, as I walked in halfway through their set and was distracted by a variety of things while they were playing.
I'll happily give them another chance.
Thanks for the effort E. They don't call you Furious for nothing.
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Got a Zappa set list from
Got a Zappa set list from Thunes on Thursday
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Is Zappa band just doing that
Is Zappa band just doing that same set every show?
Their Village of the sun>echidna's is pretty damn solid too.
thanks for that Sylvian & fripp album recommendation, Lance.
I've just started digging into it but it's got some cool 80's proggy and almost even talking heads flava going on
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Yeah man, I'm listening to it
Yeah man, I'm listening to it again now for the first time in a very long while.
Funky, groovy, odd, definite Talking Heads hits.
It's really more Sylvian than Fripp, or even more Adrian Belew than Fripp.
But it's Fripp, and it's groovy.
Funny how time passes and one forgets how good some albums are.
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I've been enjoying many of
I've been enjoying many of the posts in this thread and agree with some of the descriptions of what is the actual (un?)-nature of KC in a live setting. There was a time that I would jump to see anything Mr. Fripp was involved in but, alas, those days are gone. Not that KC is listening (reading) to what I am saying, but "it's not you, it's me." What I desire to see on stage has changed over the years, hell...sometimes by the time I finish writing a post, and KC isn't it. I would enjoy it, probably even like it but there is other stuff out there that I would enjoy more. Just where I am today and not putting Fripp and Co. down in any way.
I think it's fitting that the performance that I think RF gave me his best stuff was the "official" opening night of Peter Gabriel's first solo tour at the Capitol Theater in Passaic, NJ. Early in the show I heard some unbelievably tasty guitar and started watching the guitarist on stage to see how he was doing what I was hearing. He wasn't. For those first couple of dates, Robert Fripp was seated offstage with guitar in lap playing his soul (or maybe all the souls he previously sucked out of their original hosts) out. He only played a handful of dates and when offstage he insisted that he not be introduced. with the band. The few times he sat on stage he insisted that he be introduced as "Dusty Rhoads." He finally stopped being part of that band when people started calling out his name. He insisted that he couldn't be in a band that refused to call him his "name." Odd bird for sure. I've seen him live quite a few times solo Frippertronics, League of Crafty Gentlemen and others. Even shared some music talk over a beer at The Fast Lane in Asbury Park, NJ at the bar until someone in audience realized that Robert Fripp was at the bar, proceeded to gush his love of him during his and my interactions and he put down his unfinished beer and made a beeline to backstage never to return.
Some may say that the world is a scary place with Robert Fripp in it but I say the world is a scary place for Robert Fripp and he's just trying to deal with it.
p.s. That first Peter Gabriel album, Fripps "Exposure" and Daryl Hall's "Sacred Songs," all recorded at the same time in the same place with the same players are all amazing and I still listen to each of them frequently.