Las Vegas Gun Laws

>>>>Open Carry, Concealed Weapons, Machine Guns All Legal in Nevada. ... Nevada does not prohibit the transfer or possession of assault weapons, 50-caliber rifles or large-capacity ammunition magazines. Local law enforcement issues concealed handgun licenses. Open carry is legal without a permit.

Sounds like most places in the country outside Illinois, the Northeast, and California.  I guess Colorado also placed limitations on high capacity magazines after the movie theater shooting.

Americans are mostly stupid and this will be forgotten in two weeks or less.

A few more threads from nugs will solve this 

<<<<People keep visiting Las Vegas for its culture

Culture of Sin 

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas

Legal prostitution

Lost Wages (Losing the family's ability to cover their nut)

There’s no legal prostitution in Las Vegas. 

There is legal marijuana though would you care to speak out about that?

Please explain, Bucky.

This cat didn't buy a hooker, bought legal weed then started shooting?

I can't see the corelation.

Slacker,  "machine guns"  are not easy to purchase in Las Vegas or anywhere in the USA.  You need to fill out ATF paperwork,  send a fee,  have an extensive background check,  and wait about a year for the permit.

And then they are quite expensive,  liek $20 K.  Only the pre-1986 models can be purchased.

Go look it up if you don't believe me.

>>>>"machine guns"  are not easy to purchase in Las Vegas or anywhere in the USA

That's true.  But from what I hear, the shooter used a kit to convert the semi-autos to practically full auto.  

See this:   http://www.slidefire.com

According to the website, purchasing this patented "bump kit" "will create an exhilarating experience that keeps you smiling for days."   I am not a big fan of gun control in general and think most proposals are pretty useless, but cracking down on the sale of these kits would seem to be legitimate place for the legislature to go.

Preventing the sale does nothing, you must prevent the MANUFACTURE of this stuff. Very few people have the ability to make a 'machine gun' or bump kit in their garage. If you prevent the import and manufacturing of this stuff, you might get somewhere. But that's not gonna happen.

>am not a big fan of gun control in general and think most proposals are pretty useless

--Ban on semi-automatic rifles

-- Universal background check for all gun purchases.

-- National gun registry

-- Limits on the amount of ammo that one can purchase.

-- Mandatory 10 years for possessing an unregistered firearm

Any issues with these, Ken?

<<<Ban on semi-automatic rifles

Like the Ruger 10/22?

^yes.

<<yes

Good luck with banning the classic american plinking/ target rifle.

I'll eat Zippys shorts if that happens.

You're right, 73, gun control is too hard...Why try?

Burying the dead is much easier.

( i understand that the Ruger 10/22 is not the weapon of choice for mass shootings.)

I want to ban all semi-automatic hand guns too.

<<<you're right, 73, gun control is too hard...Why try

Lol.  Thats not what im saying at all.

I'm pointing out that people who dont know guns talk about unrealistic measures in these circumstances, which instantly turns the debate off, ultimately hampering realistic efforts at actual gun control.

>I'm pointing out that people who dont know guns talk about unrealistic measures in these circumstances, which instantly turns the debate off, ultimately hampering realistic efforts at actual gun control.

agreed 

I don't think that a ban on all semi- automatic rifiles is an unrealistic starting point. Negotiations can refine the specific weapons covered. What hampers gun control efforts are the NRA and the Republican party.

P.S... I have fired the Rugar 10/22.  My college had a rifle team and the coach tried to recruit me. 

<<<What hampers gun control efforts are the NRA and the Republican party

Certainly not going to disagree there and I largely agree with your other changes to existing gun laws.

Number of Americans killed on battlefields in all wars in history:

1,396,733

Killed by firearms in the US since 1968:

1,516,863

(New York Times)

There are ~14,869 more gun stores in America than grocery stores.Specifically, there are 51,438 gun retailers and 36,536 grocery stores.

There are almost as many gun dealers in America as gas stations. There are a total of 129,817 gun dealers in the country, which include retail stores (51,438), "collectors" (61,562), pawn shops (7,356), and importers and manufacturers. Meanwhile, there are 143,849 gas stations.

There are more than twice as many gun stores in America as McDonalds restaurants. There are only 14,098 McDonalds.

American gun companies made 5.5 million new guns in 2010 and 95% of them were sold to Americans.

These ~5 million guns weren't nearly enough to satisfy American demand for guns in 2010, so an additional 3.3 million guns were imported.

There were 16.5 million background checks for gun purchases in 2010. You can get a gun unless you have a criminal record or are evidently insane.

47,856 people were murdered in the U.S. with guns from 2006-2010.This was more than twice as many people as those killed by all other methods combined

http://www.businessinsider.com/more-gun-stores-in-america-than-grocery-s...

Meanwhile...

Weekend violence in Chicago leaves 32 shot, 4 fatally:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-weekend-gun-violenc...

There are now more gun dealers in the U.S. than grocery stores, McDonald's, and Starbucks combined, according to new data from the market research firm Statista. Because what is more American than grabbing a Big Mac and then walking across the street to buy a gun?

The study reports there is a total of 64,747 gun dealers in the U.S., compared to the 38,015 grocery stores, 14,350 McDonald's, and 10,843 Starbucks shops in the country:

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/08/957348-trump-us-now-gun-dealers-g...

If the murder of 21 first graders in their classroom didn't do it this event won't.

Idiot wind...

>> If the murder of 21 first graders in their classroom didn't do it this event won't.

Idiot wind...

You suggesting people should give up?

They need to figure out a way to limit automatic fire, and that includes all simulations of auto fire, like this "bump stock" that I am hearing about.  Some kind of limit on rounds per 5 second time span or something.  All this concealed carry, open carry, meh. Get rid of auto weapons for real though.   Nevada is loaded with these btw:  https://machinegunexperience.com/

 I have to admit, I would love to shoot a Thompson submachine gun. 

10 years for an unregistered gun is RIDICULOUS.  

>>>>I want to ban all semi-automatic hand guns too

>>>>Weekend violence in Chicago leaves 32 shot, 4 fatally

This should be the starting point on any discussion concerning potential new firearm regulations.  While certain types of scary looking long guns get 90% of the media attention based on high profile tragedies, they account for only a very small percentage of gun deaths each year.  The real menace to society are handguns, especially high powered, high capacity ones like the Glock 19, which is the weapon of choice for gangsters, criminals, and many of the worst mass shooters in history, like this POS who shot up Virginia Tech:

Handguns are easily concealable and very portable, making them ideal for all sorts of nefarious activity, especially in public settings where they can be brought in and out without drawing attention.   And with high capacity magazines, they can quickly cause horrible casualties comparable to what can be done with high capacity, high powered long guns.   Does this have any practical purpose?

As Skynyrd one said:  "Handguns are made for killing, they ain't no good for nuthin else."   They are the 800 pound gorilla in the room and possible additional restrictions on them would have much greater impact on public safety than targeting long guns.

Gun control is certainly a very emotional topic and if you are going to shoot your political wad on any new restrictions, it is important to get the most bang for your buck.  To that end, other sensible measures would include mandatory trigger locks, which would help reduce the thousands of accidental shootings each year, many involving young children.   Tightening up background checks would also be sensible as would closing the so called "gun show loopholes" in many states that exempt private person-to-person sales from the federal mandatory background checks.

But even there, you have to be careful.  They are trying that up in Washington State, but critics of the new law point out that, as written, it would extend to prevent an unmarried couple from sharing a single firearm.   And what about a father who wants to give his son one his old rifles?   Or what happens to someone's gun collection when they die?   Do the heirs have to undergo a background check?   These are all serious questions that need to be addressed and thought through, which makes passing new regulations as an emotional reaction to a high profile tragedy difficult and any legistlation easy targets for the gun lobby.

>> And what about a father who wants to give his son one his old rifles? <<

Mandatory background check. Why not?

>>   Or what happens to someone's gun collection when they die?   Do the heirs have to undergo a background check?  <<

Mandatory background check. Why not?

Nevada voters approved a new gun control law – so why was it not enforced?

A criminal background check for private sales was blocked days before it was due to go into effect – which shows the difficulties of passing stricter gun laws

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/03/nevada-gun-control-law-l...

Feel free to find your own source.

>10 years for an unregistered gun is RIDICULOUS

I'd settle for 7-10. Threat of real time would encourage folks to register their firearms. 

This caught my eye as I skimmed
>>> but critics of the new law point out that, as written, it would extend to prevent an unmarried couple from sharing a single firearm <<<

Married, unmarried, everyone should have to undergo a background check at the very least. And yes, lock the triggers. And better yet, melt the guns and make sculptures, as has been done in some places. I am so anti-gun. I'd be okay if no one had one. For those people who want to have guns for hunting meat, go back to bow-hunting. There's no real way to keep all guns out of the hands of a kid, an accident waiting to happen, a person over the edge, someone with malicious intent.

>>>>encourage folks to register their firearms

That's an example of a proposed regulation that would expend all political capital without much net benefit for public safety.  The biggest fear among the Second Amendment folks is that the government is going to come and "take ur gurnz."  Gun registration, in their minds, is the first step in that process.  But where is the net benefit to public safety?    I can see it leading to just cops standing over the body of a suicide or domestic violence victim and saying, "Yeah, we called in the serial number and it is his gun alright." 

Mandatory trigger locks, on the other hand, would have a real benefit by reducing accidental gun deaths and you might be able to get the majority of the public to actually go along with that, with the exception of a smaller set of people who feel they need to have an unlocked firearm easily accessible at every second of the day to protect them from perceived threats to their safety. 

I take an inventory of all of my neighbors with guns and who has the most fire power, because when the shit hits the fan the one with the most is the first person I kill right before I steal all of their guns

>>But where is the net benefit to public safety

Guys like Paddock would not be able to build an arsenal unnoticed.

 > The biggest fear among the Second Amendment folks is that the government is going to come and "take ur gurnz. Gun registration, in their minds, is the first step in that process.  <

I don't care about their paranoid delusions.

>> Mandatory trigger locks, on the other hand, would have a real benefit by reducing accidental gun deaths and you might be able to get the majority of the public to actually go along with that

Such a law has already been struck down as unconstitutional by SCOTUS:

Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. - DC v Heller Decision

>> Ban on semi-automatic rifles

Unconstitutional. See DC v Heller's "in common use at the time” clause in the majority decision.

The great thing about America is that we can change laws; we can change culturally.

((( The great thing about America is that we can change laws; we can change culturally. )))

>> Guys like Paddock would not be able to build an arsenal unnoticed.

Building an arsenal is lawful behavior and limiting it is unconstitutional according to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit:

D.C. had also argued that reducing the numbers of guns in general (by limiting gun acquisitions) would reduce gun accidents, gun crime, and so on. “Accepting that as true, however, it does not justify restricting an individual’s undoubted constitutional right to keep arms (plural) in his or her home, whether for self-defense or hunting or just collecting, because, taken to its logical conclusion, that reasoning would justify a total ban on firearms kept in the home.” - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/18/d-c-...

>> The great thing about America is that we can change laws; we can change culturally.

I understand that, but it might be more pragmatic for the philzone pundits to start with the necessary step of repealing the 2nd amendment before proposing laws that are already unconstitutional under it. 

>>Building an arsenal is lawful behavior and limiting it is unconstitutional according to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit...

Registering firearms does nothing to limit the number of firearms a person owns

>> Registering firearms does nothing to limit the number of firearms a person owns

I don't understand what you are saying then. Why did you say he wouldn't be able to build an "arsenal unnoticed" if you aren't going to be able to do anything legally if you "notice"?

Nothing illegal about a well-check, along with hints that "we're watching you".

ANNAPOLIS, Md. — Maryland's ban on 45 kinds of assault weapons and its 10-round limit on gun magazines were upheld Tuesday by a federal appeals court in a decision that met with a strongly worded dissent.

In a 10-4 ruling, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, said the guns banned under Maryland's law aren't protected by the Second Amendment.

"Put simply, we have no power to extend Second Amendment protections to weapons of war," Judge Robert King wrote for the court, adding that the Supreme Court's decision in District of Columbia v. Heller explicitly excluded such coverage.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/assault-weapons-not-protected-secon...

Ender, has the supreme Court weighed in on this?

ender...you always look in the rear view mirror, citing DC v Heller, etc. 

If the makeup of the court changed, so would opinions on future cases. 

>>>>has the supreme Court weighed in on this?

I think the Supreme Court will wait to see if some other federal circuit court of appeals issues a conflicting opinion striking down similar restrictions elsewhere.  That would create the sort of conflicting patchwork of laws that usually gets the Supreme Court's attention and willingness to hear the issue. 

>> ender...you always look in the rear view mirror, citing DC v Heller, etc. 

All case law is in the past.

>> Nothing illegal about a well-check, along with hints that "we're watching you".

Strange that that's the sort of government you are hoping for. 

>> All case law is in the past.

Yes, and all futures cases/challenges are in the future.

>>Strange that that's the sort of government you are hoping for. 

Wouldn't affect me one bit, except making us safer by taking down more potential mass murderers. I will reserve my tears for the gun-nutz arming themselves to the teeth.

Maybe your dad and his friends can take up frisbee golf!

Sorry, Ender just saw your response regarding registration.

I basically agree with Ned's reply

>>Strange that that's the sort of government you are hoping for. 

I don't believe there are huge numbers of folks assembling large arsenals

I think law enforcement would be in favor of this too.

>> I don't believe there are huge numbers of folks assembling large arsenals

What constitutes an arsenal? The average gun owner owns 8 guns. The top 3 percent of gun owners averaged over 25 firearms each. Paddock had 42. 

At what point should the government start harassing you for lawful behavior?

>At what point should the government start harassing you for lawful behavior

I go with 20

>>>>>I understand that, but it might be more pragmatic for the philzone pundits to start with the necessary step of repealing the 2nd amendment before proposing laws that are already unconstitutional under it. 

I've been thinking the same thing, myself.

At least try to update/clarify this ancient amendment.  It's not like we need to worry about battling the madness of King George anymore.    ......Or do we?

What I'm looking for isn't a total cap number, it's a spike in buying behavior. Ammo, too.

I'd guess a profile can be drawn up.

>>>>I think law enforcement would be in favor of this too.

I have a sneaky suspicion that most cops maintain a pretty extensive private gun collection in their homes.  Most of the cops I know sure do.

I only have four guns right now, so I am behind the curve on that one.  My brother, by comparison, probably has 20+ including at least three AR-15s and an AK-47 he has had since we were kids:

Thing about collecting guns is that you can only shoot one at once (unless you are Chuck Norris of course) so people with big home armories are usually no more of a threat than one dude with one gun.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

^That's the entire Second Amendment, right?

Completely inadequate.

Yet we have UNREGULATED MILITIA"S who stockpile guns.

States with militia issues: MI, MT, ID, OR, TX, PA, MI & OH

Southern Poverty Law Center identified 276 militia's in the US in 2015

Republicans think the founders were on drugs when they wrote "well regulated militia".

And started the 2nd Amendment with it.

But nope, nevermind, said Scalia and his Republican Colleagues.

I use a bump stock for hunting

Damn Ken really?  Why do you need those?  A scope? Where is #4? pistol under your pillow maybe. Dude, Im officially scared of you.

Those aren't mine.  They are my brother's.  I don't own a handgun.  Don't like them.  I have a couple of rifles and shotgun.   Would like to get a Mini-14 someday, but have to prioritize spending.

>>Thing about collecting guns is that you can only shoot one at once (unless you are Chuck Norris of course) so people with big home armories are usually no more of a threat than one dude with one gun.

I read that the shooter had modified 12 guns to fire fully automatic. He could only fire one at a time, but didn't have to pause to reload, and he didn't have to worry about one or more of the guns malfunctioning.

If I remember correctly, in most, if not all of the mass shootings, the shooters were armed with several firearms.

Another fine American exercising his 2nd amendment rights...

Cops Pulled Over a Man and Found an Arsenal of Automatic Weapons in His Car

Deputies found Scott Edmisten, 43, of Johnson City, carrying a .357-caliber Magnum, a loaded .45-caliber semi-automatic, a .223-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, a .308-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, more than 900 rounds of ammunition, and survival equipment, Washington County Sheriff Ed Graybeal said.

http://time.com/4968166/tennessee-weapons-discovery-traffic-stop/

>> Another fine American exercising his 2nd amendment rights...

If you read the article, what he did was illegal and he was arrested for it. The laws he broke were deemed constitutionally valid under the second amendment. 

>>   A scope? Where is #4? pistol under your pillow maybe. Dude, Im officially scared of you.

If you think that scope is scary, you should check out my telescope.

I know, ender. I'm just happy that I live in a country where a guy can easily assemble such an arsenal.

Still scared Ken, but REALLY scared of your brother.   And the other folks here that own them. It's kind of freaky to me.  Is it a "because Im an American and I can" kind of thing?

Im surprised nobody has mentioned how many of American made/bought guns end up in Mexico, El Salvador, etc. Its big trade. It also supports all the gangs and cartels that kill thousands without retribution. That's on the US and states like Nevada. Gangs come HERE to arm themselves. That's just nuts.

>>>I cant afford a gun     I can but if I need more than a machete and baseball bat, I'll leave it to "the pros"

real catastrophe FLOTUS fashion statement coming soon.

>>>>>REALLY scared of your brother

No need to be scared Fly.  He is a real chill guy.  He is a neurologist down in ABQ and makes a lot of money, and while he is generally very frugal, one thing he doesn't skimp on is the home armory.  Some people collect baseball cards or classic cars, and he collects guns.  We take them out to an off the grid property he has at the base of the Manzano Mountains and shoot them out there.  It's a real kick in the butt and it's neat to check out all the old WWII service rifles.  But his collection is nothing compared to that of his surgeon buddy.  That dude has WAY more guns in his home arsenal, including the heavy artillery, like the .50 caliber Barrett, which could take down a helicopter.  Have fun with that machete when the shit hits the fan.

>>>>Deputies found Scott Edmisten, 43, of Johnson City, carrying a .357-caliber Magnum, a loaded .45-caliber semi-automatic, a .223-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, a .308-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, more than 900 rounds of ammunition, and survival equipment, Washington County Sheriff Ed Graybeal said.

Probably just going to do a little camping trip.

There have been a growing number of home invasions in my area. I have a 9 mm that I bought back in L. A.  when the Night Stalker was on his rampage. I also have a 38 snub nose. They never leave the house except for the occasional trip to the range. 

I will protect the home if needed.

"Anytime you have several firearms and several hundred rounds of ammunition in a vehicle, that always causes a concern," said Michael Knight, spokesman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

This is NOT the kind of government ender wants.

>We take them out to an off the grid property he has at the base of the Manzano Mountains and shoot them out there...Have fun with that machete when the shit hits the fan.<

Do you folks have "Doomsday" drills?

>>Have fun with that machete when the shit hits the fan. <<

Internement camps can be fun with the right attitude. 

>>>>>>>>Deputies found Scott Edmisten, 43, of Johnson City, carrying a .357-caliber Magnum, a loaded .45-caliber semi-automatic, a .223-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, a .308-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, more than 900 rounds of ammunition, and survival equipment, Washington County Sheriff Ed Graybeal said.

Shit, when I lived in Wyoming, many of my friends had extensive gun collections and we would all pile into the back of the pickup to go out shooting in the canyon armed to the teeth with assault rifles and bandoleers of ammo strapped around us.  Although we looked like a white version of those Somali militias you see on the news, nobody batted an eye as we rolled through town and never really worried about being pulled over by the cops.  Now had we been Mexican or Indians off the rez (there are very few black people in Wyoming), it might have been a different story.

^Did you guys clean up after yourselves?

Well Ken Im just not going to be convinced that collecting for fun is reason enough to own a .50 cal. You and your brother may be great guys but I'm sorry to say I won't make it to the family BBQ.   Intelligence or financial status does not preclude anyone from accidental death, emotional rage or onset of mental illness. Owning those weapons is just not necessary, especially not for home protection. What do you mean when the shit hits the fan? Like when our government turns on us? Or maybe a bunch of terrorists invade Portland in a convoy of Toyota pickups? That's a weak argument too.  Sorry to all the gun owners on this thread but you really don't need them. Yes, Im an unabashed peacenik. If Im the first to go when the shit hits the fan, so be it. I'd rather not live in that world.  Im a scaredy-fly.

Fly, are you scared that I have a seven bullet and a five bullet handgun to protect my home in case of a home invasion?

^We're all going to die.  I'd rather die from someone else's gun than be killed by my own.  Or worse, having a loved one (or any human) be killed by a gun that I own.

I'll take my chances.

I fly with Fly.

>> I'd rather die from someone else's gun than be killed by my own.  

If only there was a third choice!

^There are so many ways to die, Buddy.  At least that's what I've been told....

Any gun owners here ever fire one of their firearms in self defense? *

*Not including those who used a firearm in a military conflict

>>>>Any gun owners here ever fire one of their firearms in self defense? *

No, but I did pull a .38 loaded with rat shot on some punk ass kid I found stealing my mom's jewelry during a house party my brother threw in high school.  I held him at gunpoint until the cops came.  Cops gave the punk ass kid a ride home and read me the riot act for pulling the gun and was more interested in who bought the booze for the party.

I also got shot at once by drunk deputized loggers in the mountains of central Idaho, but that is another story.  

^I once chased a burglar for several blocks then sat on him until the police came.  I was wearing nothing but a towel around my waste, but felt safe because I was in Scotland (no likely gun involvement).

I like skeet shooting.  This looks pretty fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jILTrA2pe2Y

I once told someone I was going to shoot them.  Glad I didn't  actually have a gun, because as bad as stealing bikes from the school rack is, I might have gotten in trouble or felt bad over shooting someone over a bike.  

When you have a gun you can do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZygqbvjwHo

But you can also do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZudm8axR_A

smiley (73guy) on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 07:38 am

<<<Ban on semi-automatic rifles

Like the Ruger 10/22?

nor'easter season (Orange County Lumber Truck) on Tuesday, October 3, 2017 – 07:41 am

^yes.

lol

Why doesn't it surprise me Alias that those two videos in your second post of old white people with guns both came out of Florida. 

That video in the first post was an example of "practical shooting."  I have both sued and defended gun ranges over the years, but one of the ranges I defended had what was basically a fun house maze where the gun club members and their guests would run through and shoot at pop up Arab terrorist targets.   That same range also had special Fourth of July events where all the members would line up with their fastest, highest capacity firearms (including many fully auto weapons) and just cut loose down range all at once at exploding targets.  That was one of the things that got some of the neighbors all riled up.

>>When you have a gun you can do this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZygqbvjwHo

yikes, crazy old man.

 >>towel around my waste

lol

I like ranges that are fun.  It is good that some ranges are run like by no-fun-niks who are all about safety, great for kids and learning the proper protocols.  However, after that, hey.  The places I mostly shoot are just out in Nat'l Forest, at an abandoned ski area and at the chill old man skeet range.  There's a place I want to check out next trip home that has a nice "bring your own target" policy.  Appliances, pumpkins, whatever you got.  So, while that may be "practical shooting", it mostly looks like a blast.

There is a subset of practical shooting sports called "Cowboy Action Shooting."  As the name suggests, the participants dress up in full old west gear and run around with six shooters, Winchester style lever action rifles, and double barrel shotguns shooting shit in a mock up Old West town.

I rarely ever shoot at ranges and almost always go up to the National Forest or to someone's private land.  There are some places out in the woods that are just full of old appliances and junk vehicles that people have shot to shit over the years, but I prefer cleaner areas with a nice solid backstop.   One of the few times I ever shot at a range was at a place back in Jacksonville.  My brother and I brought a few guns, including the AK-47, and went into one of the bays and started cutting loose with the AK when sparks started flying off the back stop.  The owner flipped out and ran in there yelling that we were in a pistol range and then pointed us to a special room for more high powered stuff.

Most of the time back in Florida, we would go out shooting in the swamps and borrow pits west of town.  One time, my friends and I threw one of those old Coors party balls into the swamp and were trying to sink it by shooting at it.    Next thing we know, a fire truck came roaring up with its lights flashing and we were like "Oh shit!"  Apparently, the bullets were bouncing off the water and flying through the woods to another pond where a volunteer fire department was filling up their truck and we had them pinned down.  I am so glad nobody got hurt and scared the shit out of me.  Stupid teenagers and I have been much more careful since then and have really stressed safety when I taught my son to shoot.

>>any gun owners here ever fire one of their firearms in self defense?<<

Anyone?

>> There's a place I want to check out next trip home that has a nice "bring your own target" policy.  Appliances, pumpkins, whatever you got. 

I dislike those. I went to a "range" like that by accident once. I was terrified of ricochets from the improvised targets. I think you need a proper berm to soak up the projectile's energy.

>>>>What I'm looking for isn't a total cap number, it's a spike in buying behavior. Ammo, too.

I want a 5 gun cap, and a 5 year period to register your guns and sell back any more than the 5 you're allowed.  Huge tax on ammo to help fund the buyback.  If you're found with a gun that hasn't been registered after the 5 year grace period the gun is confiscated and large fines and or jailtime.

They have a berm at this place but I hear you about the ricochet factor, thanks for ruining this for me.  I guess the answer is to use ammo sure to go right through it.  They have berms behind.  

Ammo is expensive enough Timmy!

>>I guess the answer is to use ammo sure to go right through it.

Yeah, I don't know if it was .22LR bullets, buckshot or what. But when I heard projectiles bouncing around an old stove people were shooting at and I got the hell on out of there.

If it was just fruit or plastic bottles filled with colored water for targets, the concept could work.

>>>>>Ammo is expensive enough Timmy!

Is a cigarette or a bullet more expensive?

>> Is a cigarette or a bullet more expensive?

You mean cartridges? Most gun owners don't reload or buy bullets.

>>>>>You mean cartridges? Most gun owners don't reload or buy bullets.

Yes Ender.  One round.

Most cartridges come with a bullet, right?  

Are they $0.50 a piece or more?  I'm not sure.

Not a good comparison.  You'll blow through 50 rounds in about the time you'd smoke a couple three cigarettes.  And that's not shooting fast.  

I think it’s a fair comparison.  They’re both responsible for tons of medical costs each year

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that shooting is the number one cause of preventable death, like smoking was. They oughta be taxing sugary sodas and nachos.

Common sense gun reform directly related to the recent tragedy on the way:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/paul-ryan-bump-stocks-gun-control...

The fact that the shooter was using legal equipment won't change anyone's mind.

Ender - I'm guessing you bought your first firearm after your apartment was broken into?

>>>>Are they $0.50 a piece or more?  I'm not sure.

Depends.  You can get .22 LR for about a nickle a piece.  That's why .22 rifles are ideal for sitting around the campsite and plinking cans.

The price then goes up from there.  You can often find old Romanian tins of 7.62 ammo for AKs at gun shows for around 20 cents a round.  That makes the AK variants one of the less expensive guns for recreational shooting. 

I have a Lee-Enfield .303 WWI service rifle that has been converted with a sporter stock and scope.  Rounds for that sucker are a dollar a pop, so while I take it out for target practice from time to time, its not a gun that I pack up into the Subaru every time I go camping.   However, if I went deer hunting, that is the one I would use.  

>> Ender - I'm guessing you bought your first firearm after your apartment was broken into?

No. I bought it way before that.

This bullshit NRA statement about regulating "Bump Stocks". Notice how quick they were to put that out there?

It's because they want the ATF to handle it, not Congress...

While putting Steve Scalise out there with the talking point of Congress supports it.

The NRA doesn't run out and support ANY regulations on guns without a "catch".

Remember Sandy Hook?

If you're the type of person who is going to open fire on a concert crowd are you worried about gun laws?

Non existent gun laws hounder.

Oh, they exist. Make all the laws you want, this kind of shit will never stop in this country.

>Oh, they exist. Make all the laws you want<

Still no national gun registry

Still no universal background check

Wow you broke out the big font! impressive

We were thinking about looking at guns today. I’ve always wanted a revolver.

Thanks, hounder. It was almost as easy as buying a gun.

I picked up a nice collectable last week. An unfired 30 cal. 1894 Winchester lever action. She's a beaut and I don't think I will ever chamber a round through it. Got it for a song and dance, could not let it go.

how old was that Winchester, Mule?

pre '64?

they still make 'em today.  great deer hunting rifle with a scout setup.

Yes, serial # dates it to 1955.