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Holy old fuck. This guy brings stupid to stellar heights. 

That was a crowd pleaser for sure.   Trump's last hurrah.

Just saw videos of MAGAs tearing down barricades at the Capitol.

Is this his concession speech 

apparently Trump said he will march with them to the Congress

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R46257.pdf

The President has floor privileges in the Senate at any time and he could appear

now that would be a fitting end to this Shittzshow...

The last president to lose the White House, House, and Senate in a single term was Herbert Hoover during the Great Depression.

Capitol Police macing rioting chuds and blood on the Capitol steps.

Apparently, chuds don't know about gas masks.

Where are you seeing this Ken?

>>>>Where are you seeing this

Twitter:

#dcprotests

Straight up brawl between the Capitol Police and hordes of MAGAs.

"Explosions of bullshit" is Trump's legacy and his autobiography in three words.

It's on

The SS has removed the VP from the Senate ...

Capitol Police on the Senate floor

Trump stirred them up and then retreated to the White House. A time for extreme courage.

https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updat...

Chuds breached the building and now outside the Senate chamber door:

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Can you imagine if it was black people who stormed the Capitol?

What an embarrassing day for America. 

Capitol is on lockdown. 

 

the Police allowed this, they could have stopped them from storming the Capitol but chose not to. What a mess. Bullets would have been flying if these were Antifascist protesters 

 

 

 

law and order president?

 

 

in 2020 protests were bad and Blue lives mattered. 

In 2021, protests including clashes with police are good and encouraged. 

I see more dump flags then american flags. We're under attack by people who follow a different flag

Just saw a Fuck Pence flag on TV. No matter what you have to say about them their flag game is off the charts

Dire situation  

 

 

evacuations underway

 

 

Guess Trump is happy with the result  

chump really riled up the ra tards this time, 

but make no mistake, 4 years of our elected republican's complacency led to this

Coup in progress - nice job Adolf and company

National Guard to be deployed to Senate

rut roh...

 

how was it possible for a mob to breach the Capitol Bld...

Shameful that bunker boy isn't man enough to march alongside his people 

Yep, coup in process 

Nope national guard won't be deployed in DC they are controlled by the President and the defense department just denied deployment

Trump said he was going to walk down Pennsylvania with the protestors, but then motorcaded right back to the White House.

 

> coup in process<

 

The coup has been unfolding for more than a month. This is the crescendo 

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Cops screaming for help

DOD apparently denied Pelosi's request for Nat Guard.

Law And Order???

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Disco Stu ^

fucking insane.

McCarthy confirms shots fired inside capitol 

My son is down there right now.   He didn't dare dress in bloc but instead threw on a army fatigues jacket so he could infiltrate the crowd.  He didn't go into the Capitol itself, but sent me videos from right outside of the hoards going in.  

Right now, he says the police have regained control of the entrances and pushing people back.  Probably still a lot of MAGA rioters inside.

>>>shots fired

My son says people are talking about a woman (presumably MAGA) getting shot.   People are saying stuff like "Don't go in there, they shoot women."

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Virginia is sending National Guard troops and state troopers.

 

Read a  report that a woman was shot in the chest and is in critical condition 

That should prolong things. 

DC National Guard is also being activated.

This is a reminder of what Capitol security looks like when mostly unarmed black people try to protest against police brutality. 
 

To be clear; It's the same way it looks when natives protest fracked oil pipelines running over and under their drinking water supplies...

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who could have seen this coming?

..eyeroll...

The reports are that the MAGA terrorists that stormed the Capitol are being 'pushed out' - not even arrested 

Step 1: Round them up, arrest them all and try them for insurrection

Step 2 (concurrent to step 1): Invoke the 25th Amendment ASAP and cart that fuckwad away in a straight jacket

Unbelievable!

Think bry made it inside? Was he the woman shot?

Only solution is to impeach Trump today 

SHOOT THE FUCKERS

 

AND EXECUTE TURNIP TRUMP FOR TREASON 

 

A very sad day for America. One that will live in infamy

Agree, the pretend dictator needs to be forcibly removed.

Just saw a tweet that cops are taking selfies w/ the terrorists!

I hope "Bryen" is having fun there with his buddies!

Do we know the REAL truth yet "Bry?"

Hahahahaha!!!!

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In case you thought he was the second-worst president, in case you thought he wouldn't go out like the baby he is, in case you didn't realize how much blood was already on his hands from killing 100s of thousands of Americans....the fucker doesn't disappoint.   

who is leading all the different agencies trying to disperse the crowd

 

Trump ^

 

and the goal isn't to disperse the crowds. Why would the leader of the coup do anything to stop the madness?!

 

Law enforcement reinforcements  are MIA

When do the air drops of supplies start? Do they have tp?

After this set break will the Cruz-Hawley Sedition Band take to the Senate Stage?...

^^^ oh snap^^

Also, talk about a nasty bad superspreader event! 

will they be placing knees on necks?

Crazy videos from Salem.

Back in DC, Elizabeth from Knoxville, Tenn. wasn't ready for the revolution:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1346937897060945920

kinda reminds me of a after grateful dead show parking lot in the 90s at this point

Salem racists literally yelling "Fuck ANTIFA!", while the cops shoot rubber bullets at them and no Antifa are anywhere in sight. 
 

gold.

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So let me get this straight, it's now legal to shoot and kill a trump supporter in Florida under stand your ground law?  After all, it's obvious they are a threat.  

"Dress in bloc"

LMFAO!
 

Take it to the streets!

either way that was good tv, until it wasn't

back to ellen and the wheel of fortune

Twitter locked Trump's account.

This is fucked up, but for what its worth, here is the video of the woman getting shot inside the Capitol.   Disturbing to watch so be warned, but puts a face on the insanity of it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBxEYkzH0tI&feature=youtu.be 

No reason to post that video. 

Ken gets off on this shit.  

Not cool

No reason for those assholes to be there

 

i hope all you republicans and trump supporting morons are proud

fuck you all

on the steps of the Reichstag, and now in the #Capitol. 
 

cool beans 

Yes fuck that, you wanna get shot less? Spend less time storming government buildings and terrorizing elected officials... let it stand. 

We need the 25th amendment now where is the local secure mental facility / prison for trump

https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updat...

Rep. Ilhan Omar, Minnesota, is drawing up articles of impeachment tonight.

The National Association of Manufacturers is calling on Pence and the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment.

Armed violent protestors who support the baseless claim by outgoing President Trump that he somehow won an election that he overwhelmingly lost have stormed the U.S. Capitol today, attacking police officers and first responders, because Trump refused to accept defeat in a free and fair election. Throughout this whole disgusting episode, Trump has been cheered on by members of his own party, adding fuel to the distrust that has enflamed violent anger. This is not law and order. This is chaos. It is mob rule. It is dangerous. This is sedition and should be treated as such. The outgoing president incited violence in an attempt to retain power, and any elected leader defending him is violating their oath to the Constitution and rejecting democracy in favor of anarchy. Anyone indulging conspiracy theories to raise campaign dollars is complicit. Vice President Pence, who was evacuated from the Capitol, should seriously consider working with the Cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment to preserve democracy.

This is not the vision of America that manufacturers believe in and work so hard to defend. Across America today, millions of manufacturing workers are helping our nation fight the deadly pandemic that has already taken hundreds of thousands of lives. We are trying to rebuild an economy and save and rebuild lives. But none of that will matter if our leaders refuse to fend off this attack on America and our democracy — because our very system of government, which underpins our very way of life, will crumble.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/national-association-of-manufacturers-ca...

>>>>Rep. Ilhan Omar, Minnesota, is drawing up articles of impeachment tonight.
grandstanding.   ​waste of time Cheeto is gone in 14 days.

You want 14 more days of this?!

 

 

not a waste of time to eject Trump before he incites more violence. Or decides to start a war, at home or abroad 

 

> grandstanding.   ​waste of time Cheeto is gone in 14 days.

Impeachment can also guarantee that Trump never holds public office again.

Pence is trying to look presidential, that's almost as scary (although mother approves)

Pence had to change his tighty whiteys at least once today.

If Pence wants to look presidential, he should immediately invoke the 25th Amendment.

Now all these fuckers want to act all proper and diplomatic and shit.

25th is a non starter. Half the cabinet are monkeys. The other half aren't even confirmees. Impeachment seems more plausible to me.

Maybe we can get the Walmart Clan or Bezos to donate a billion to Cheetolini...  might cool his fixins

Pence was being hunted in the halls of the Capitol today. I think that might have finally broken his toadyness.

of course the Senators/Congressmen  STILL need 2 hours to continue the debate

Shameful...



how many evangelicals are there?


pence pullin' out

 

it's by design

 

trump wishes he had pencies grift

 

 

 

Some of you are so paranoid.  Change your strain, yo.

>>Disco Stu ^

Hahahah- I just LOL'd.  We should start one of those "This is how I picture _____ zoner" threads.

The right is now saying the "Q" dude (in multiple pics above), is actually a liberal, who's had photos taken many times at other movements, infilitrating the right....   

(don't make me get the popcorn going!) 

14 more days of this is a LONG time.

I have an Iran Strike left on my B-I-N-G-O card.

REACKET

 

Turn down the volume so you can hear!! JFC

 

get a strain, and a brain

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<< is a Long time

Gone. 

And it appears to be a long

 

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I have a National Association of Manufacturers Strike on mine...

>>>>The right is now saying the "Q" dude (in multiple pics above), is actually a liberal

I have seen people say the whole thing was a big Antifa false flag operation.   There are pictures of that dude at other protests and there sure are a lot of crazies out there, but by and large, the people storming the Capitol were true, hard core Trumpsters.

But speaking of infiltrating the rallies, as I noted above, my son infiltrated the rally today by throwing on an army surplus coat.   He just told me that he was confronted by three MAGAs during the chaos who pointed out his skateboard and accused him of being Antifa.   He was able to give some bullshit story and booked, but they could have easily beat him up or worse.  The shit you have to worry about being a parent.

https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/sean-hannity-suggests-anti-fas...

Sean Hannity suggests anti-fascists wearing “MAGA gear” led the mob storming US Capitol building

Hannity: “I had heard these reports that they might even wear MAGA gear”

 

>>> The shit you have to worry about being a parent. <<<


like don't show up it's a bummer

 

and if you do....

they'll know your mall grabbin' that board

wear your docs

 

Some pics my son sent me from the Capitol today:

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yep, mall grabbin' magaT

 

id be hangin' with my girl

 

jus sayin'

 

no pronouns

 

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Oops double post

Sedition vote now being recorded in the US Senate.

Never forget these traitors...

So which Senators ended up objecting?   Six of them.

What a stain on their lives that will NEVER  wash out.  
 

Out damned spot!

 

 


it's been done before

 

 

gather books

 

 

Josh Hawley of Missouri, Ted Cruz of Texas, Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, Cindy Hyde-Smith of Mississippi, Senator Roger Marshall of Kansas and John Kennedy of Louisiana

6 fools among many

Not to minimize what is happening but does this have any bearing on meet up at the Russian Tea Room?

Hawley still threatening to oppose Pennsylvania...

Trump now scream-writing for the proverbial "three envelopes."

Give him one more day to get his goons to storm the Capitol 

Its over for the Trump goons - at least for now.   Pence, Rubio, McConnell have all officially jumped ship and all Trump has left is Cruz, Rudy, Roger Stone, his kids and a bunch of weirdo Nazi street fighters.   Trump's Putsch has failed and the FBI will be all over these clowns like flies on shit.

But sometimes you can't keep a good dictator down:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch

These dumb motherfuckers should be storming corporate boardrooms.

good job rush and co., we have an American taliban now.

nation is so fucked up rght now. Fuck you lindsay and Mitch, a little too little too late

Lol looks like merrick garland is gonna be a pretty busy guy.

>>>>Lol looks like merrick garland is gonna be a pretty busy guy.

Sweet.  In all the chaos of today, missed that bit of good news.  Payback is a mother.

Cruz-Hawley & Friends

Here are the seven Republican senators who voted to sustain the PA  EC certification objection:

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz

Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley

Wyoming Sen. Cynthia Lummis

Kansas Sen. Roger Marshall

Florida Sen. Rick Scott

Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville

Mississippi Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith

Republicans  will be dropping like flies 

 

as they were / are flies on shit

I have a lot of family in the DC area, found out tonight that my uncle, the colonel (West Point, Korea, Nam, 30 yrs at Pentagon), had a relapse of the corona, and likely won't make it thru the night.  He was the conservative leader of the larger family (his older sister, my mom, being the liberal).  His entire family got the virus, and he and his wife did hospital time, but got released because they were doing better...  until today.  Since his family had the virus, it's ok for them to visit him, but now the curfew is preventing them from going to the hospital (Arlington)...   

These are such tough times. I hope it's not too hard on your uncle's wife and family, Noodler.

Today's terrorist thug event in DC may be a superspreader event, right? So few masks, so little smarts.

Republicans  will be dropping like flies 

 

as they were / are flies on shit

It is curious that all the conservatives in the family got the virus, none of the liberals did...  (If fact, many of the liberal family members have gotten their shots, some just received their second) 

This Young Man has some footage that might be of interest.

https://twitter.com/bgonthescene?lang=en

 

These people should've been fired upon, and the person dead should've been dozens. These people are terrorists and traitors to their nation, and should've been treated as such. 
 

Energy frequency and vibration.... Jacob Chansley 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d2sEqN2vNDI

>>>I have an Iran Strike left on my B-I-N-G-O card.

You are not alone.  

>>>So which Senators ended up objecting?   Six of them.

Down from Fourteen who had promised to do so....there was some progress.  Really surprised by the number of yays in the house.  

Highly recommend watching the speeches last night.  There were some zingers in there. 

 

 

 

 

^seven.

Senators Josh Hawley of Missouri, Ted Cruz of Texas, Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, Cindy Hyde-Smith of Mississippi, Roger Marshall of Kansas and John Kennedy of Louisiana voted to overturn the results in Arizona, while 93 senators voted against. Mr. Hawley, Mr. Cruz, Mr. Tuberville, Ms. Hyde-Smith, Mr. Marshall and Senators Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming and Rick Scott of Florida voted to overturn the results in Pennsylvania, while 92 voted against it.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/republicans-against-certi...

 

 

I watched c-span till midnight last night.  Amazing words spoken.  Perhaps a little too late. 

Watch ""Monster" (for Donald Trump) as performed by Steppenwolf in Full Dimensional Stereo" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/OwMmBhKyc7E

Derrick Evans,

You're the next contestant on the sedition is right...

Come on down!!

>Conservative writer David Frum said the violent takeover of the U.S. Capitol by President Donald Trump's supporters was a "secession from American democracy."

The former speechwriter for George W. Bush said Wednesday's violence was part of an increasingly intense assault on democratic institutions by Trump and his right-wing followers, and Frum said it was important to note that it was aided and abetted by some of the most powerful political elites in the U.S. -- and not just the president.

The violence has become increasingly organized," Frum told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Thursday. "We've had the organized attempt to kidnap the governor of Michigan and we have had attacks on state legislatures before. This should not have come as a surprise. It was advertised well in advance. Anybody with a Facebook account, everybody could see it happening in real time, and the police had every reason to know that it was coming. It was announced, and the president himself urged it beforehand, promised Jan. 6 would be a wild day, endorsed it in his statement afterwards, 'I love you,' and important this very morning, important voices in American life are praising or at least sympathizing, condoning the violence."

The president and his allies in right-wing media encouraged the violence through lies about the election won by Joe Biden, and Frum said that was extremely dangerous for democracy..

 

 

The greatest repudiation of these white supremacists was the election of an African American pastor from MLKs church and Jew as the 2  new senators of Georgia  in what was the heart of the deep south and confederacy.  These elections gave the Democrats control of congress.  The power shift in America has been happening for a generation and the white supremacists know they are losing.  These are their last gasps for breath.  They will continue to try to pretend they have the power and try to enflame, but there are more of us than them.  

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The Cheese stands alone.

Btw, "Explosions of Bullshit" - band name?

In the vein of Fountains of Wayne.

lock. him. up

how much of this is Joe Rogan's fault? 

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This was an inside job. A comment I heard on NPR is that the cops couldn't have failed so badly if they tried. That is, it was a coordinated insurrection. 

So how did the plan fail?

>>So how did the plan fail?

I'm not really sure, but I bet that homeowners have something to do with it.

Homeowners didn't show up. 

You're telling me that they were all renters? Well, that explains it.

Nancy,  please stop with the early trumpish like speculative conspiracy theories.  

I believe the police simply fucked up. The chief of the security force turned in his resignation today.

 

Time will tell.

Lamest pregame tailgate party ever..

Radicalized by Trump and his bullshit lies 

There is no way that the lax security was not part of a plan. 

lol @ frum. 

he helped lie us into iraq. 

fuck that guy -- he deserves to die. 

How, fabes?

OK so if the lax security was part of a plan, then the plan went off as intended. So what's the next part of the plan? Seriously, if it was all masterminded to go down that way and included the police, then there's almost certainly more coming. I'm hoping it went down the way it did because trump is stupid, but who knows what Pence is up to today?

I thought it was pretty clear yesterday the insurrectionists didn't have a plan beyond getting into the Capitol. Seemed like a lot of them were just wandering around taking selfies.

>So how did the plan fail?

I'm not really sure, but I bet that homeowners have something to do with it.

 

that or there was no plan, no reason to draw a paycheck eithert

i agree w/ mike edwards. seemed like selfies was the plan. 

would have been great to see the capitol building burn tho. 

maybe next time? 

Not *just* selfies tho

 

Pardon the double post:

WASHINGTON (NewsNation Now) — A U.S. Capitol Police Officer has died after suffering injuries in Wednesday’s riots at the U.S. Capitol Complex.

More than 50 Capitol and D.C. police were injured, including several who were hospitalized, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund said in a statement before the death was reported.

A source confirmed to NewsNation D.C. Bureau reporter Alexandra Limon the officer was taken off life support and died after they were hit in the head with a fire extinguisher by a rioter.

so the cap police chief declined natnl guard and fbi resources...mmhm...

 

the infiltration of the police and miltlary by those of this mindset is super disturbing. our fore-fathers faught and killed nazis.

The guy walking in with zip tie handcuffs looked like he was after more then a selfie

Yeah, and I heard there were a few arrests for weapons too, but by and large, the crowd that made it into the Capitol looked like what you'd see in the lobby of a Cracker Barrel when a casino bus makes a pit stop.

correction to above article: The police officer isn't totally dead. USCP: Media reports regarding the death of a United States Capitol Police (USCP) officer are not accurate.

>>>>>would have been great to see the capitol building burn tho.     maybe next time?

 

Doubt that you are serious, but on the off chance that you are, what would be the benefit for the average citizen if the Capitol was burned?

What would be the benefit for you?

I assume you're not an arsonist? 

Burn down the Capitol > m4a

You burn down the capitol so you can take a selfie in front of it, duh?  

(or help capitalize your youtube account) 

It appears to me that a bunch of in hillbillies in this country have been radicalized by the retelling of lies from our president, the internet and repeated by others, even here on this site, and they were moved like pawns yesterday, I will march with you, the president said. The President used them, and then tonight just condemned them to detach himself from them for appearance. 

 

mixed in with those hillbillies are hate groups and their leaders, some in photos with Rudy Giuliani in the past. 3 pipe bombs planted.

and this was talked about for weeks and all over social media and our intelligence departments appear to have prepared for it as if the Girl Scouts were coming to town. 
 

 


 

Plan, plans, maybe actually getting into the building was not part of it, but there was planning, maybe it was not a group plan, but there was planning. The groups do appear to be arm and arm in picture and are United in a cause "sacred election". In the speech of the president he makes these people sure sound like allies and praises them, and is afraid to call them out, sounds like some grooming going on, but I am just a working stiff that didn't finish college, so who knows 

Trump's not really known for making plans. He reacts to things moment by moment. That's his brand. His disciples seem to follow in his footsteps. 

This goes beyond the Capitol  police simply fucking  up. Investigations are underway...
 

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-riots-police-coronavirus-pandemi...

https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-homeland-security-white-house-advisers-fore...

 

FBI, Homeland Security, White House Advisers Foresaw Possible Riots, Looked the Other Way

Trumpism needs to be rooted out, and, in a way, this event should make it easier for Biden to do some house cleaning.

This is why defund.

If you somehow missed that yesterday was a 100% hard flex of white power, with national police effectively serving as escorts, I just don't know what to tell you.

Its systemic, it's obvious, and it's abhorrent. 
 

what you saw cannot be fixed. It needs to be dismantled.

 

It gets worse:

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-pentagon-2649786910/#comments_section_start

Looks like the defense secretary failed to protect us from a domestic terrorist attack...

>this is why defund.

yea next time they should send some social workers instead.

 

Hey racket how bout you tell us about your favorite Grateful Dead show you ever saw? Do you remember the opener?

BSS pulling the deader than thou card.  How cute.

https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight

 

Lol, maybe tell us a story about living in the hood instead?

which hood was that again?

I was just reading the musings of some dude who was in the wave of seditionists that breached the Capitol. He was actually whining about how the police were being big meanies to all the peaceful protestors.

 

My cities police department is 70% non white male.  Is that good enough for a tool that lives in a state that is 75% white?

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/OR?

 

No, that has nothing to do with it at all actually. So now you're on full ignorant display again. Thanks for playing.

 

As far as being "deader than thou", not really. But this is a Grateful Dead-centric message board, and if you've never seen them, don't participate in discussion about them, apparently have never even listened to the words, and don't contribute anything here besides snarky creepy little fucking snipes like a rat - yeah, I do wonder why you're even here at all.

Which hood was that, again?

 

 

Hahaha.  Ok boomer.  You sure talk a lot of music here.  

I said what I said, you fuck.
 

catch me live sometime. 

4.4 

 

send BSS a social worker, stat!

 

It's now official, MAGA murdered a cop.

U.S. Capitol Police Statement on Loss of Officer Brian D. Sicknick: "At approximately 9:30 p.m. this evening (January 7, 2021), United States Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick passed away due to injuries sustained while on-duty."

Wonder what the plan was for the plastic handcuffs. 

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"take the laptops, take the clipboards take everything!"

https://intelx.io/?did=33784c60-f2ff-4dc8-830a-1cef54965905

Interesting discussion to say the least.

So, Heater supports the Capitol being burned?

The Pizza Anarchist.

How Quaint.

 

i support overturning the oligarchy. they don't care about me or you. 

<<<>>>Burn down the Capitol > m4a

maybe. how do we know? 

we know your way hasn't and won't ever work -- voting for the corporate parties. 

 

<<<<>>>>>yesterday was a 100% hard flex of white power, with national police effectively serving as escorts, I just don't know what to tell you.

totally. absolutely why we must defund. the people who are against it, support funding white supremacists to do as they please. 

kinda like the people who don't support cannabis legalization -- like biden -- those people support racist law, knowing that it hurts minorities. 

Even worse yet are the centrist types who claim they renounce police brutality/support Black Lives Matter out of one side of their mouths, but that defunding is simultaneously "dangerous" out the other side. This stuff isn't really complicated unless you insist on not understanding.

I think our police forces need to be demilitarized, but not done away with entirely.

I do too mike. 
 

Curious what's your reaction when you see confederate flag carrying white supremacists being assisted into the national capitol by the police?

(Assuming at this point we are beyond discussing this as a "training issue". Or are we?)


Do you think that can be reformed? How?

Do you agree white nationalism in policing, as a foundational component, is cancerous enough that tweaking it at the margins will never, ever, result in equal justice for anybody?

"Defund" is a tough word. It's easily and often falsely construed as "eliminate." For most who agree, though, it doesn't mean that at all. It means to reallocate funds. Cops shouldn't be the front-line mental health or social workers. Prisons shouldn't be the largest mental health providers.

People shouldn't be saying, "if my house gets robbed or if I get assaulted I'm not going to call the cops. Their presence is more of a danger to my community than theft or an assailant who ran away. I have to go to the police station instead, so that my neighbors aren't treated like suspects." I think that's a pretty good litmus test for how a polivce force is doing.

College educated people continue to gentrify the cities and develop environmentally damaging sprawl to create middle class Nimby communities with ridiculously overpriced real estate. How do we reform that?

>>Do you think that can be reformed? How?

Do you agree white nationalism in policing, as a foundational component, is cancerous enough that tweaking it at the margins will never, ever, result in equal justice for anybody?

 

Great questions, Bss. I think that reforms have to be broad, sweeping and part of larger societal shifts. Can they happen? I think that they have, in some places. We need to find what works and build on it.

There's no doubt that the foundations of policing in this country are rooted in racism. Good people who want to help get swallowed by the inherently corrupted system. I guess we need to redefine the system altogether, so that there can be necessary policing, and that it is foundationally different than shit system that we have.

I'd like to have faith that we can get there.

I just think "Defund The Police" is such a broad statement and misses the subtleties of the racism in our criminal justice system/society.  I can articulate more later when I have more time but that's my .02 for now.

Hey, Bss. I think that this is a really complex issue that should probably have a thread of its own, but I'll take a run at it here.

First, and likely foremost, I think that what attracts people to white nationalist/supremacist movements is a lack of opportunity and economic insecurity. In 2016, I was saying that Trump and Bernie were essentially appealing to the same demographic: folks who felt like the American Dream wasn't within reach for them, and this happened roughly concurrent with loss of white privilege, and loss of male privilege. When people feel like there's no place for them in society--when they feel existentially threatened--they look for others to blame. So that's what I think has grown the white nationalist movement more than anything else. Disenfranchisement, in a word.

And how do we eliminate systemic white nationalism/supremacism? Beats the hell out of me, but you need to start somewhere, and maybe a thorough review of the Capitol's police forces is a good place to start.

Ultimately, it will take some combination of social workers and programs, and police to effectively identify, treat and shelter the mix of mentally ill, abused, addicted and criminal populations that are living in our streets.

Whatever that cost is to effectively do that is?  Fund that.

>>Fund that.<<
 

Right, Dave! which comes precisely at the financial expense of defunding and narrowing the scope, bloat, and operational role, of policing. 

Which is why defunding is actually a tenet of BLM. A built-in demand. Not some far outlying fringe idea or competing political movement as so many insist.

https://vimeo.com/435916734

 

But please be careful lumping mentally ill, addicts, and criminals together. That's cop speak. They are separate circumstances, and anyone here who has ever found themselves in any one of those circumstances probably understands that.  There is overlap. Much of it isn't actually criminal (victimless) and simply doesn't require kill sticks and body armor to address.

 

yeah mike, this should probably be a separate thread. I digress. It all seems to roll into one around here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you 70% non white male?

and therefore a tough white guy?

Slacker nimby wannabe

Racist > < anti pot 

interesting spin pyramid of love

did burning down the German parliament help a lot ? 

Inspired m4a?  Or other outcomes...

 

naw man...we should continue to throw 50% of municipal budgets at them and keep militarizing them. then, when they beat and kill people, we can give like another 25% of our tax payer budget to pay for legal fees.

it's great, why change that?

Robert Reich:

The Pentagon placed heavy restrictions on the D.C. National Guard prior to Wednesday’s pro-Trump rally, despite numerous social media posts and warnings that attendees were planning to turn violent and storm the Capitol. The Guard was prohibited from receiving riot gear and interacting with protesters unless necessary for self-defense, among other restrictions, greatly delaying the ability of the Guard to deploy once the violent mob attacked the Capitol. 

And when the Capitol Police Chief finally did request backup from the D.C. Guard, an official from the office of the secretary of the Army initially denied the request — for fear of the *bad optics* of uniformed soldiers inside the Capitol building. Meanwhile, Maryland Governor Larry Hogan said he tried to deploy the Maryland National Guard at the request of House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, but was repeatedly rebuffed by the Pentagon. An hour and a half later, Gov. Hogan suddenly received a call “not through…the normal channels” from the Secretary of the Army asking him to deploy the Maryland Guard.

All told, it took about three hours for the Capitol Police to receive backup. In that time, hundreds of violent insurrectionists roamed free throughout the Capitol, destroying property and attacking journalists and policemen. There needs to be a full investigation into why the Capitol Police and the D.C. Guard were not prepared for this attack. Claiming they didn’t know there would be violence doesn’t cut it: Right-wing social media channels were full of posts about literally storming the Capitol and starting a riot, and countless online extremism researchers and journalists had been warning that violence was certain to occur. This was a planned attack on the People’s House, and those who let it happen absolutely must be held accountable.

CNN sez they just picked up that shitbird who broke into Pelosi's office- cuffed. --- One down another couple dozen to go.

Fabes and Nancy, thanks for the replies.

According to Reich the Capital Police leaders did fuck up.

 

I interpret other authorities lack of early action is  derived from Trumps Bible holding photo op in front that church. 

>>>> One down another couple dozen to go

These fools are going to regret being anti-maskers.

Is it true that one of the MAGAs died of a heart attack after tazering himself in the testicles while trying to pull down a portrait of Tip O'Neil? 

This was on MONDAY afternoon and still very little security on Wednesday at Capitol, not to mention the weeks of chatter about "stop the steal" protest/attempted COUP BS:
Watch "CBS News exclusive: Audio captured of threat to fly plane into U.S. Capitol" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/j2ymbqGFWog

dead lady cleaned pools in California

I guess one of the guys who passed away during the riot suffered a heart attack after tazing himself in the balls on accident.

Yes Ken, that's true. He tazed his own balls and that triggered cardiac arrest. Technically the injury to his testicles wasn't what killed him. Why he wanted to steal a painting of Tip O'Neil is a secret that went to the grave with him. 

Numbnuts til the end

lol...

The FBI is asking for help from 'citizen detectives' to scour social media and identify those rioters who illegally broke into the Capitol building.
There's a local maskless candy shop owner who was photographed at the rally outside in full Trump attire and now she claims she's the victim and is being threatened. Really hoping there's evidence she was in the Capitol. 

...he tazed his own balls...
 

Sounds like "Bryen" to me!

I've been watching Hogan's Heroes reruns lately. Bungling Nazis are nothing new..

(W) ALSO: BREAKING: West Virginia Republican, and state rep. Delegate Derrick Evans has been charged in connection with Wednesday’s rioting at the Capitol, after recording and then deleting a video of himself storming the Capitol with hundreds of rioters
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/2021-01-08-capitol-r...

Was he just charged or arrested and taken to jail? 

Something that's gone mostly unnoticed this week is that Wednesday was Eric Trump's 37th birthday. His dad probably didn't remember it, but at least 150,000 people (in his laughable, Trumpian accounting) did. This was posted shortly before the siege of the Capitol got underway.

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https://twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1346906343152746500

There was an old man at the insurrection
He will never now have an erection
He tazed his own balls 
In the Capitol halls
And died cause Trump lost the election 

 

I'll never forget when JR emailed me asking for money so he could buy pills. Guess he's still mad I blocked his email because he's cooked up different ways to attack me here ever since.

lol @ Nancy.

I'm a limerick lover, and that's a good one. lol

She came to DC to fight

And screamed Trump's loss was not right

She carried a flag 

she left in a bag

They treaded on her in plain sight

What's with the shitty "I-just-woke-up-with-a-strange-hooker-after-a-weeklong-cokebender" beards all these Trumpster guys grow?  Eric, Don jr, Cruz, Bannon, and more....

I guess they are trying to disguise the fact that they are rich well groomed elites when they mingle with the masses and beg for money. Either that or all those Trump skin care products cause some nasty skin conditions.

Is the self-sack-tazing confirmed?

Because that is schadenfreudelicious.

I also read that the woman who was trampled to death had a "Don't Tread on Me" flag.

>>What's with the shitty "I-just-woke-up-with-a-strange-hooker-after-a-weeklong-cokebender" beards all these Trumpster guys grow

Because they are coming of week-long benders with hookers. Can you blame them. The quality of women and powders they get must be sick.

I hear that, by day 6, Kushner puts on a dress and gets tag teamed by Eric and Ivanka.

you can't make this shit up.

And why would you want to, really?

left a smoking crater...

^^^^

I know they reactivated it last night and he somehow got his phone back and was tweeting again earlier today.  What was it that got him the final boot?

I'm guessing this means Trump won't be able to fire anyone else now.

His first tweets from early this morn....

 

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So no one is concerned about the Feds shooting another Fed (or making a movie about it) ??

What about Gun Control ? 

The story is that some Lady got shot,  although it looks kinda fake.

Narrative is that she served in the USA Air Force for 15 years.

I'm surprised that the TV politics junkies here have not brought that story up.

They have video clips all over to show the "Reality TV".

I know, I know, Trump and Nancy Reagan did it.

I don't usually play requests, but Stu, this one's going out for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM9LOtjmdHM

 

 

stu  iI liked you bbq smoker advice

 

on real world stuff -- just stfu

pound sand bro

Trump supporters murdered a Capitol Police officer in their armed insurrection and attempted coup. They beat him to death with a fire extinguisher. They violently attacked other officers at the doors and inside the US Capitol, sending many to the hospital.

Trump supporters set live bombs in DC on Wednesday.

Trump supporters were arrested with Molotov cocktails inside the US Capitol building.

Trump supporters brought guns into prohibited federal space and buildings.

Trump supporters wore anti-Semitic and racist shirts along with MAGA hats, side by side with Trump and Nazi flags.

Trump supporters chanted "Where's Mike Pence?" as they ran through the halls of Congress looking to punish him for not overthrowing the election as Trump demanded.

There were Trump supporters on the "inside", too. Politico reports "One current Metro D.C. police officer said in a public Facebook post that off-duty police officers and members of the military, who were among the rioters, flashed their badges and I.D. cards as they attempted to overrun the building. “If these people can storm the Capitol building with no regard to punishment, you have to wonder how much they abuse their powers when they put on their uniforms,” the officer wrote."

6 Republican lawmakers, that we know of, were among the people who violently tried to overthrow Congress and the national election by storming the US Capitol building. This is a direct violation of the 14th Amendment. None of them have resigned or been forced to resign by their constituents.

Trump supporters stole a computer full of national security secrets from a Congressman, US mail from the Speaker of the House, and the total amount of information stolen, copied, or destroyed still needs to be determined.

Trump supporters showed just how easy it is to overtake the US government to our enemies. Did other governments have people in with the crowd- did they plant surveillance equipment or steal our secrets? Do they have a blueprint to overthrow our government now? How many hours of time will it take to make sure everything is safe and secure?

Trump and his family laughed and partied while the mob rolled from the White House to the US Capitol. Repeated exhortations to "fight", engage in "combat", never surrender, make them pay, etc. They directly incited the violence and refused to calm emotions despite pleas from the colleagues. They only started to try to distance themselves when lawyers pointed out the obvious legal peril they were in because of their words and actions.

Trump supporters now, in a coordinated campaign, refuse to take accountability for their actions, and baselessly blame a completely invented "Antifa" for all the violence. They were led to the Capitol based on the lie of widespread voter fraud. No demands for Trump's arrest, resignation, impeachment, or 25th Amendment from the majority of Republicans. No demands to have the Proud Boys and other violent extremists to finally be brought to justice.

NOW IS THE TIME FOR JUSTICE.

 

Hi GREGoVIC

where is that tea room again?

 ( and Thom as we miss him)

Elizabeth from Knoxville

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/twitter-reacts-to-elizabeth-from-knoxv...

 

Poor baby.

 

Comments are priceless.

Jenna from Texas had a much different trip than Elizabeth from Knoxville.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/jenna-ryan-flies-private-jet-capitol-sie...

>I interpret other authorities lack of early action is  derived from Trumps Bible holding photo op in front that church. 
 

totally different circumstances imo, jazz. The police were the ones on the offensive at the church on that day. 
 

to only have the capitol police on duty for this with the - intell openly displayed on social media that the shit was going to hit the fan, and the FBI, CIA, Pentagon/national guard and Home Land Security were not on duty/standby? Who appointed these people? Were they following orders? 

It took 3 hours for back up to support the capitol police

Code White

lltd --

If I have not expressed it before, let me explain.

Kindly \Fuck off, and don't ever tell me how to think or what to do.

I respect your opinion(s) somewhat,  but you are not my boss.

When I see your scribble on my paycheck, I will consider what you have to say.

Until then, you are a random Zone poster who(m) can't form normal sentence structure and basks in grammatical idiocy.

Trump was actually watching the siege on TV in real time blocks away. He is the Mother Fucking Commander in Chief and did not lift a finger to help our representatives in Washington. His own people were in there, Democrats and Republicans and civilians and he said fuck them too. That is who the fucker is.

 

Fucking chicken shit back stabbing draft dodging Traitor 

 

I think Thom traded his sweater vest for the Chewbacca vest....

It was worse than that, fabes. Trump was busy calling Senators to get them to object to Biden's certification while the siege was on.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/mike-lee-tommy-tuberville-trump-...

Ty stu

For the laugh 

 

making sense????

 Not how to think

 

just TO THINK

occasionally

 

TY

Zip tie guy brought his mom to the coup and now he's been identified as Eric Munchel of TN.

 

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SAT SCORES 1600!

divided by 2?

Elizabeth from Knoxville lied

#OnionTowel made her cry

claimed she was maced

 fake tears on her face

 the racist revolutionary hasn‘t died.

 

 

 

 

There was a man from Tennessee 

The Biden win just could not be 

His Mommy came along

Said he could do no wrong

Zip ties in his hand, he just had to go pee. 

Arrest records coming out

 

 

Antifa? I think the talking heads, president and his supporters never thought about arrest records once they played the Antifa card again. This is what you get when you use Hillbillies as your pawns 

Man shown carrying Nancy Pelosi's lectern at Capitol riots arrested

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/09/pelosi-lectern-capitol-riots-ar...

Eat An Impeach

not that it matters but apparently zip tie guy got them from a supply that was broken into...

https://youtu.be/cntvEDbagAw

 

And now for a somewhat related piece of fun while I catch my breath

 

 

Now you have it, The RNC meeting AFTER the insurrection/failed coup:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/trump-republican-national...

even after losing the Executive and both Houses of Congress 

Trump is still their guy

Vote Blue...

> Funny guy.

Agreed. I especially liked "mayonnaisiest" and "Treason for Dummies".

turtle, I did hear that they were able to break into a storage room full of police gear inside, but there was another guy photographed outside carrying the plastic cuffs as they were trying to break into the capitol, so maybe not. Also saw photos of yet another y'allqueda inside with cuffs. He's also been ID'ed as a retired Lt. Colonel Larry Brock (TX)

 

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Apparently the first zip tie guy Eric Munchel was a bartender at a bar in TN owned by Kid Rock(?!) Hard to tell what people are joking about and what's true out there.

Seems about right 

This guy's twitter account has been really interesting. He's crowd sourcing to identify these clowns and Ronan Farrow is working the journalistic side of it in tandem. There's hundreds of redditors etc sending him video and screen shots from livestreams of the coup, ID'ing gear and all that. Zip tie guy Eric Munchel was virtually unidentifiable until a redditor recognized his little outfit and posted a video of him unmasked inside the hotel lobby he was staying at. 

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347967824313114624

Eat an impeach <<<

 

Hippie.

Bump.

 

I read the news today, oh boy.