Dark Star Orchestra are one of the longest running Grateful Dead cover bands, and have the gimmick of recreating GD shows from history. I know they are popular and fill large venues. Personally, I don't get it.
It's been awhile, but I recall really being impressed with the drums/percussion rig and the drumming. I'm one of those who actually looks forward to the Drums/Space portions of GD gigs.
It's also entertaining to see serious deadheads compete to see who is the first to identify which show is being recreated.
Still, I'm more into bands that change the music up a bit (PLF, JRAD, or my local low budget Stu Allen et al).
What Bss said. They know this music through and through and play it really well. If you go, you will dance, plus there's an old-school zoner on stage most nights.
What got me on the DSO train many years ago (2001?) was how well they are able to recreate specific 'eras' of GD music in their shows. So an '82 show sounds like an '82 show, the rigs for a 90's show are different, '76 sounds like '76... Like, I could tell that these people had listened to and loved "the tapes" as much as I did. Seeing folks who obviously love the music that much trying to do it justice is pretty great. And, since they have had significant success, they can afford some of the best sound equipment and engineering in the business. It's not just a cover band, their sound is incredible!
I try to see them whenever they come around. I've never had a bad time.
> some folks that used to trade DSO tapes back in the day
That sounds too far for me too. And speaking of distance, I wouldn't travel more than a couple of hours to see DSO, but you have to factor in the fact that I live at least 45 minutes away from most everything.
Seen them a bunch of times and they are always a fun time. Interesting to see the young folks who were not yet born GD - era, out enjoying The Music.
Overall my favorite show was when Rob Eaton {Weir impersonator} was out mixing an album for maybe Pat Metheny ??
So they did a little run of shows where they covered JGB concerts. The one I saw was at the McDonald Theatre in Eugene, an old movie theatre saved from the wrecking ball.
It was really pretty good; they covered some JGB show from 1990 or 1991. The McDonald had just recently started having shows again, so it was late 2000 or early 2001, Ken Kesey had just passed away so whatever year that was.
OK so I looked it up, the Show was November 10, 2001 and Kesey had passed that very same day, I suppose early morning. Mountain Girl came on stage and did a Eulogy rap.
I was at that DSO JGB show at the McDonald Theater too Stu.
Saw DSO for the first time in Keene, NH in 1999 and was blown away by how good they were. It was a little weird for the first couple songs because they sounded so much like the GD, including the vocals. But then decided to just go with it and was hooked.
Saw them every time they came to town for about 10 years and they were really fun shows. But after FJ left they sort of lost their luster for me. Still see them from time to time, mostly at festivals, and still fun, well played GD music but won't go out of my way to see them these days.
My how they have grown! I saw their first few shows and many thereafter at Martyr's in Chicago. They used to play there every Tuesday I believe for several years before they started branching out and playing weekend runs in MI, IN, OH, etc. Good Times.
Only saw them once, back in 2002 at the Oregon Country Fair;
I was working mainstage sound crew that year.... got to meet JK, likely the oddest meeting of any musician during those years of doing sound, lol. (for ex, Billy K was all smiles, pot smoke, very gracious, especially how he reached out his hand to my bestie Joan when she was trapsing back to camp in the wooded area (Billy preffered sound camp to musicians camp, less hero worship, more just another wild crazy guy, lol)
Mountain Girl introduced them (my first time meeting her that I remember), and requested that they just play music, and not recreate a show (their schtick), which was great (we all assumed we'd get the 72 veneta show)
The hands down highlight for me (and one of my fave music related moments and weather related moments), was standing on top of the main speaker arrays, throwing tarps over them as a thunderstorm got roaring. The band down to my left, the crowd in front of me, when a massive lighting bolt cracked over the crowd in a huge loop, absolutely breathtakingly spectacular... the crowd wowed, the thunder overtook the PA sound for a moment, while the band was playing Dark Star... momentus!
I was kind of neutral about their set, not to amazing, didn't suck, more utilitarian dead (which i'm fine with). I think I liked the Zen Trickster a bit more in that era (got to mix them, Rob Barroco's keyboard got lost on the plane, nobody could find one on site in time for their set (literally airport to stage), so he played acoustic guitar - masterfully (like wholy fucking shit, ROB CAN PLAY THE SHIT OUT OF THE GUITAR!!! - and what a genuinely nicest guy in the world). I will say that JK was likely a much better guitarist than the guy (blanking name, really nice guy too!) with the Tricksters (who's now with DSO), but I regress...
I wonder if JK would've done better if he'd stayed with DSO. I'm sure he made a bundle with Furthur, but that was only 4+ years. He's not much more well known than JM, and working a lot less, it seems.
The concept creeped me out at first. Went to see them early 2009's. It's hard to say why, but I couldn't deal with it.
I wanted to try again so I went to one of their Cap run shows when they subbed for PLF. I was extremely impressed with their musicianship and I had a great time. Been to a couple more shows since and I had fun.
I still do prefer our music to be reinterpreted ie, PLF, JRAD, even Deadco although I am not a huge fan of slow motion music.
It's our music executed exceptionally well by musicians who love it as much as we do.
Ling Kive The Grateful Dead.
I've seen some amazing tribute bands over the years but for some reason the GD ones always weird me out, not really sure why. Even the core 4 I prefer doing new music, MHB, 7walkers, Blue Mt, etc...the only one I ever found "that" connection to with the back catalog was Hunter.
I had seen them many times. And like ALL dead cover bands, "The more you drink, the better they sound"
I saw the Cube a couple times while visiting CA. always have fun with their friendly crowd.
Although I appreciate the premise I do not really enjoy DSO but am glad they are there "for the kids"
Garry Tallent, bassist for Bruce Springsteen's The E Street Band, has often told the story about in the period after Born To Run up until the end of Darkness On The Edge of Town tour, how he would successionally pop into one of the Jersey Shore's clubs where a cover band, The B Street Band, would do 4 or 5 sets in an evening. He got to know the band as was taken back that they were all taking home considerably more than the members of The E Street Band were and they all had nicer digs, better cars, etc. The reason was that the cover band didn't have the touring overhead that the original did, so they took home more money. Of course that changed after they jumped into arenas and stadiums...it changed a lot.
It was an emotional decision, I would suggest, when the band decided to retire the Grateful Dead name after Jerry died. I bet there has been some second guessing of that, as a strategic move, in the years since.
But look at how the music has flowered and multiplied and the tunes now firmly in the American songbook. There are more Grateful Dead fans now than ever before.
I distinguish cover bands and legacy bands. The legacy bands include one or more member of the GD, but the cover bands don't necessarily need any direct connection. All these younger musicians, well schooled in the cannon, became a source of talent from which the Core Four have selected some of the best for their legacy bands. Think of all the musicians Phil has brought into the music.
Rejoice, brothers and sisters, Grateful Dead music will go on forever.
Oh brother. That isn't sacrilege, it's just... well, I don't know.
I was going to say shallow, but that doesn't fit.
What's a word for less than shallow?
Empty?
Vacuous?
Stupid?
Eaton is very good at what he does.
Bob Weir, with all his ups & downs, is a one-of-a-kind legend.
And DSO is popular for the same reasons that Phil & Friends, JRAD, The Other Ones, Melvin Seals JGB, Dead & Co., The Dead, Furthur, Jerry's Middle Finger, The Wolf Brothers, Ratdog, Cubensis, Splintered Sunlight and all the others are popular, for the same reasons the Grateful Dead was popular...
Skilled players playing great songs in a unique, open, in-the-moment, conversational style, ALL of it based on improvisation, which makes all of it happening RIGHT NOW. Every day new, every show it's own, every one different, an ongoing adventure.
Always, what will happen today? Always, what will happen tomorrow? For better and worse, but always different and always popular IF the players are good enough to pull it off. Of course there's always personal opinion about that bit, but in the end, if people are paying to see you do it, you're probably good enough to pull it off to some acceptable degree.
Because far beyond the great songs, what makes this music timeless is the improvisational nature of it, and for those who think these modern players or groups are not "original", by it's very nature if it's improvisational it must be original, because even if they've mastered a style or technique, no one can copy another's in-the-moment improv ideas. You either have it or you don't, and if you don't than we've never heard of you. And let's face it, we've all heard of A LOT of these type of players.
And unlike all the other cover bands of classic rock groups where all the fans are of a similar (older) age, it's that "every day is new" improv approach that's why there are people of EVERY age grooving to modern GD music at shows of every one of those bands mentioned, it's why young people continually "got on the bus" throughout the Grateful Dead's 30-year career, and IMO is why the music and the shows will continue long after us old-timers are long gone.
Because live Grateful Dead music is about the moment, and the ability of the individual players to have inspired, good/great and entertaining ideas in the moment. That appeals to a certain type of human, a type that I believe most all of us here are, a type that exists in every generation, a type that's drawn to a little of the unknown and some adventure in their lives, and so also in their music.
And the Grateful Dead's musical structure & songbook is the perfect vehicle for that.
So...
LONG LIVE THE GRATEFUL DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you a studying and practicing musician who has been doing that for some time now? I'm curious about that. I'm asking about the abilities and talent level at each position. Do you have what it takes to actually participate in what I have always seen as a team effort that through practice and loyalty creates a unit that gets to be very good at their game, remains on top of the league standings and leaves behind a good experience for fans. DSO is that kind of unit. From a bar in Chicago, sparked by an idea from the late Scott Larned and JK a couple of years after the Grateful Dead to thousands of gigs over 20 years helping to fill a void and giving an ability for the various members to make their living doing what they love. I get it without even having to ponder much.
Dude does have all the mannerisms down pat, from the lunging, to the spitting, to the trademark Bobby head thrown back scream. I was at the DSO show first time Donna sat in (she sounded great). Between songs, she looked over at faux Bob and said "This is so weird."
I wasn't there, but first time Bob Weir sat in with DSO, it was totally unannounced. Instead, during the middle of a song, fake Bob stepped back into the shadows and the real Bob Weir emerged without skipping a beat
Weir though at times was very WEIRd is an original who created the Weir show. At times I thought it was over the top and embarrassing but he is a RnR legend and what a trip of a life he has lived!
And I agree with what Ken said.. Eaton trying to be a clone of Weir is creepy.
Give it up. You may not like Bobby or whatever but he is a one of a kind living legend whom helped birth and advance the greatest band to ever roam the land. Rob Eaton seems cool and is a good player but the chances are fairly high that you never would know him if it weren't for Weir et al.
>>You may not like Bobby or whatever but he is a one of a kind living legend whom helped birth and advance the greatest band to ever roam the land. Rob Eaton seems cool and is a good player but the chances are fairly high that you never would know him if it weren't for Weir et al.<<
I like him just fine, and I actually agree with you.
And in 2021, as a fan, to my ears; Weir's musical output is unreliable and inconsistent enough for me to just not take him seriously (in the context of delivering live performances) anymore.
...Kind of like Willie Nelson
Your ears may tell you differently, and that's fine.
the last couple of times seeing them I remember standing there trying to force myself to like them while having an intense feeling of embarrassment that I was in the crowd.
Eatons a very good player... Bobby's more creative, unorthodox, fantastic composer, and Eaton can't touch bobby when it comes to Space, not sure Bobby can touch Eaton when it comes to playing tight, but that's not always the goal, lol
Ive seen them plenty and they can put on a fun show for sure. One of the more memorable ones was when they played TXR and Phil played bass the entire second set. So i guess it was sort of a Phil and phriends show and Phil gets it.
I love DSO. They are the single unit that helped me re-engage after 1995 (yes I'm a touch head apparently). I saw a bunch of shows from 2000 until JK left for Further. In Lolo, MT they summer (freezing summer show?), JK said he was ready and had to take the gig. Personally, I don't think DSO ever fully recovered but it is what it is. DSO is the most professional crew out there and puts it out there for the right reason. I'll also always support the cause. And Eaton is amazing IMO.
They brought me back to seeing the music live again. I can't even remember my last dead show I think it was in 94, but it hadn't been a focus since 90. I went in a very different direction musically and saw DSO around 04 on a whim based on reading about them recreating shows. It was strange to stand in the Fillmore and hear them play particularly with JK's voice at the time when he wasn't trying at all to not sound like Jerry. I remember bringing friends after that just to see their expressions for the first few songs.
I don't think I ever had a bad time and have to say that seeing Bob, Donna, and Phil all play with them at separate times in the Fillmore gave me a little taste of what I was too young to see in person, and that Phil show at the Fillmore with DSO was a truly exceptional set of Dead music and may be one of my all time favorite Eyes https://archive.org/details/DSO2012-10-13.SBD.flac/dso2012-10-13d2t04eye.... If they are good enough for those three to play with them then I would say they are good enough for me to go listen to them, and as someone who didn't get to see 70's dead except for a couple of 79 shows it's as close as I'll get and way more fun than listening to a tape on the couch at home.
My only complaint is that recently they play smaller venues that are often oversold and crowded.
Some very thoughtful posts here. Thanks everybody.
I did see DSO once when they played at Hardly Strictly Bluegrass, and will be seeing them again in April at Skull and Roses. Armed with new knowledge and perspective.
I'm 42. I tried to jump on Summer Tour 1995 but my older friends, who didn't want legal liability for a runaway, wisely ditched me. I was pretty ticked, but I'm glad they did so. I did start touring in 1997, and did so until Fall 2001. Furthur 1997 wasn't awesome. Phil Tour in 2001 was. The band was really coming into their own as players in a post-grateful dead world.
In the middle of all that, I went to see Dark Star Orchestra one time in Fall 2000. At that point, I was going to large amphitheaters in the summers and hitting up smaller joints in the spring and fall. There was always a big scene and my tour friends. When I saw Dark Star, there was no scene. It was muuch smaller. I thought it was weird. It was kinda offputting. I totally thought they were a good band. They were literally the first dead cover band I saw, and they did a good job.
I didn't see another one of their shows until Spring 2012. It was a combo of events: Furthur was kinda boring me, Phil basically stopped touring as much, Ratdog wasn't really a thing, and also Dino lived nearby and my wife joined a shortly lived Jerry Garcia Band project with him.
Catching DSO when they were nearby was always affordable, a good time, and honestly, always a good consistent show. I liked Jeff Mattson cause I liked Zen Tricksters from when I was young. I liked Rob Barraco from his time with Phil. Their fans were fun folks who loved Grateful Dead music and were looking to dance. THe music is still decent at tempos and performance, and still affordable.
So, that's my approach: can you play Grateful Dead music that is technically really good? Is the performance affordable and somewhat nearby? Will I dance and enjoy myself?
They've done that, and as long as that is the case, I'll continue to catch them when they play. Its rock and roll. Doesn't need to be overthought.
What's not to understand? They play Grateful Dead music really well and are affordable . I don't travel for them but I see the local SD shows and if they play a good venue in The Bay Area like GAMH I work in SF office so I can check it out. I don't understand why folks would be embarrassed to be there that seams like a Dead Headier then thou attitude. I like the band more w Mattson than JK but I have been seeing him play since The 80s at The Right Track Inn in Freeport w The Volunteers. Tommy Circosta, also from The Volunteers, does a very good Bobby as well. I knew him in High School he was in my buddies band and was and probably is still a really good dude.
The Volunteers or GTFO.))))))))))))))))))) I hear ya !
seeing DSO this weekend in Fort Lauderdale and looking forward to it. If you like the music, you will not be disappointed. Like several others here, I used to frequent the Right Track Inn in Freeport back in the 80/90s and loved me some Zen Tricksters back in the day
^^^^ My only complaint is that recently they play smaller venues that are often oversold and crowded.
We've experienced some of those. They outgrew the GAMH, especially when they added a big merch table and the giant GD soundboard taking up floor space. The Regency and Fillmore were about right for a while. Now, even bumping up to larger venues like the Warfield and UC Theatre hasn't resulted in the dance space my crew looks for. Ah, picky, picky, if it's too crowded you're too old? Definitely have enjoyed seeing them outdoors where there is room to move.
I give these guys a lot of credit. They are pros, they start on time, and they put out! They may play a pre-determined setlist, but if there is time left, they fill it. More than once I've seen them finish a "show" then add a significant mini-set of '60s psychedelic rave-up fun to fill the remaining time. And the crowd is fun! This isn't a sausage fest full of 60+ year olds standing around in tropical shirts like some ABB or Mule shows I've seen. This is multi-generational, with hippy "kids" who know the music, ready to mix it up on the dance floor. I'll admit I've never cared to revisit recordings, but they are a band that will get us to "GO TO THE SHOW" as much as any these days. Damn this COVID bs.....
Not supporting cover bands like DSO, would probably force those cover band players to actually be a creative artist, get into their muse, labor over creative endeavors, and make the world a better place. However, I get how being a musician and making $ is super hard, and the temptation of the GD money machine to pay the bills might be difficult to pass up.
All professional musicians aren't composers or songwriters. And, unlike members of a classical symphony or orchestra, the DSO players have some room for live improvisation as a creative outlet.
I typically don't travel far for any shows, 4 hour radius at most, but I did go see DSO at Red Rocks when they first played there, and it was a great time. Felt like a great time to celebrate their accomplishment. My flight cost $11, and my hotel room was free, due to travel miles saved. It was the first show at Red Rocks I saw since Phil Lesh Quintet there in July 2001. It was fun!
Personally I wish there were more jam bands that brought together great musicians and did all covers, and it doesn't have to be all dead. I think there is a huge market for a JRAD type band that played almost anything as long as they start with a song that most people will know. I think if there is one thing that the last 50 years showed us is that great song writing at the level the dead brought it is really hard, and we are probably not going to see a whole lot more of that. As long as they are doing interesting improvisations who cares if they wrote the song or not. That is the difference between a U2 cover band and a jam band cover band.
I enjoy DSO much more now, with Jeff Mattson on guitar, and with Skip on bass.
This current lineup sounds a lot better to my ears than the previous bass & lead players that have been in DSO.
Eaton definitely does a more & better Bobby than Bobby; but, like cowbell, I don't always want more.
The couple times I have seen them without Eaton, were fantastic.
I'd go see a DSO (Dark Star Offshoot) run, where they just did a 1 guitar JGB based thing.
I checked and there are many, here is a song that I never got to see The Grateful Dead do live and only saw it live when Warren did it w the symphony orchestra and then by DeadCo .
I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been a Q cover band yet (that I'm aware of). Give it time, I suppose?>>>
I would love a band who played in the spirit of the Q. Ironically, the only other band Dark Star Orchestra has "covered" a whole show of besides the Grateful Dead, was Phil Lesh & Friends. No, not the Q, but they did cover Phil's setlist from 11/15/2012 when they subbed for Phil's canceled show at Capitol Theater in 11/2019.
I enjoyed the opening jam-not typical of DSO, and the Low Spark was sizzling. Here's the show:
Set One: Jam > Jack Straw > Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo > Crazy Fingers > He's Gone > Cold Rain And Stone ; Ship Of Fools ; Mason's Children
Set Two: Dear Mr. Fantasy > Help On The Way > Slipknot > Viola Lee Blues > Alligator > The Eleven > Standing On The Moon> *Low Spark Of High Heeled Boy > Slipknot > Franklin's Tower
Phil Donor Rap (video of Phil projected on Capital Theater wall)
Encore: Box Of Rain
Dark Star Orchestra is excited to announce Winter Tour 2022! The tour starts with a pair of shows at Harrah's Lake Tahoe South Shore Room on Jan 28 and 29, followed by shows at the Senator Theatre in Chico, CA on Jan 31 and the Fremont Theatre in San Luis Obispo, CA on Feb 2. After that, the band heads to the Golden State Theatre in Monterey, CA on Feb 3 and then to San Fran for two nights at The Warfield on Feb 4 and 5. The band then wraps up the tour with stops at The Commonwealth Room in Salt Lake City on Feb 8, Belly Up in Aspen on Feb 10, a special acoustic show at 10 Mile Music Hall in Frisco, CO on Feb 11, and the tour closer at Mission Ballroom in Denver on Feb 12.
Also on agree re Jeff & Skip. Skip played Big Brown the last time I saw them at The HOB in SD was a really nice show they recreated 2/26/77 and played really well. Whats not to like or be embarrassed about.
Set One: Terrapin Station ; New Minglewood Blues ; They Love Each Other ; Estimated Prophet ; Sugaree ; Mama Tried ; Deal ; Playing In The Band > The Wheel > Playing In The Band
Set Two: Samson And Delilah ; Tennessee Jed ; The Music Never Stopped ; Help On The Way > Slipknot! > Franklin's Tower ; The Promised Land ; Eyes Of The World > Jam > Dancing In The Street > Around And Around
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 12:28 pm
What's not to get?
What's not to get?
They play good music, well.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 12:35 pm
I found it odd that years ago
I found it odd that years ago they were playing larger venues than Bob Weir and Ratdog. A cover band outselling the originator.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 12:40 pm
I've only attended a few
I've only attended a few shows.
It's been awhile, but I recall really being impressed with the drums/percussion rig and the drumming. I'm one of those who actually looks forward to the Drums/Space portions of GD gigs.
It's also entertaining to see serious deadheads compete to see who is the first to identify which show is being recreated.
Still, I'm more into bands that change the music up a bit (PLF, JRAD, or my local low budget Stu Allen et al).
YMMV
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 12:42 pm
What Bss said. They know this
What Bss said. They know this music through and through and play it really well. If you go, you will dance, plus there's an old-school zoner on stage most nights.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 12:47 pm
Don't understand DSO?
How about...
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 01:07 pm
It's not a matter of not
It's not a matter of not getting it- --- it's not giving a shit.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 01:14 pm
It's like having a crisp
It's like having a crisp hundred dollar bill.....photocopy
tribute thing may be weird but it won't be long before it's all that's left.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 01:30 pm
^folks making some money playing music they enjoy.
Lots of tribute acts out there, Dweezil's band is my favorite.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 02:08 pm
What got me on the DSO train
What got me on the DSO train many years ago (2001?) was how well they are able to recreate specific 'eras' of GD music in their shows. So an '82 show sounds like an '82 show, the rigs for a 90's show are different, '76 sounds like '76... Like, I could tell that these people had listened to and loved "the tapes" as much as I did. Seeing folks who obviously love the music that much trying to do it justice is pretty great. And, since they have had significant success, they can afford some of the best sound equipment and engineering in the business. It's not just a cover band, their sound is incredible!
I try to see them whenever they come around. I've never had a bad time.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 02:17 pm
That said, I saw there were
That said, I saw there were some folks that used to trade DSO tapes back in the day, I thought that was probably a step too far...
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 02:20 pm
Haven't seen 'em. But if I
Haven't seen 'em. But if I did, it'd be more about seeing Rob Barracco play than the material.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 02:28 pm
> some folks that used to
> some folks that used to trade DSO tapes back in the day
That sounds too far for me too. And speaking of distance, I wouldn't travel more than a couple of hours to see DSO, but you have to factor in the fact that I live at least 45 minutes away from most everything.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 02:40 pm
DSO a mighty fine band. They
Another I don't get DSO thread, I guess that horse ain't quite dead yet after all.
DSO is a mighty fine band. They propagate the fun you want to experience listening to this music.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 03:10 pm
they are currently the best
they are currently the best band that plays Grateful Dead music in the 'traditional' Grateful Dead style.
who would possibly have a problem with that?
that said, i'd rather see them do a 'fake' set list than recreate a show from history.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 03:28 pm
DSO fans don't get mad at me
DSO fans don't get mad at me for this thread. I am just curious.
Looking them up I see they began in 1997. I was under the misapprehension that they had formed when the Grateful Dead still existed.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 03:36 pm
I believe the SoCal band
I believe the SoCal band Cubensis has been around since before 1995. They're a different thread entirely though.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 03:38 pm
They have tour heads.
They have tour heads.
seen quite a few shows. Even did a 5 show tour/swing.
and yeah they are all deadheads and good musicians.
I also prefer the custom setlist opposed to the recreated ones.
saw one that was all late 60s.
not many cover bands can play a king Solomons....
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 03:49 pm
They're good at what they
They're good at what they play and it's a gathering place for heads to hear music with one another.
I, too, like the set lists they put together more than the re-creations.
They're nice folks, dinner with Dino (Vorty) is always a pleasure when they come through Eugene.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 03:58 pm
Seen them a bunch of times
Seen them a bunch of times and they are always a fun time. Interesting to see the young folks who were not yet born GD - era, out enjoying The Music.
Overall my favorite show was when Rob Eaton {Weir impersonator} was out mixing an album for maybe Pat Metheny ??
So they did a little run of shows where they covered JGB concerts. The one I saw was at the McDonald Theatre in Eugene, an old movie theatre saved from the wrecking ball.
It was really pretty good; they covered some JGB show from 1990 or 1991. The McDonald had just recently started having shows again, so it was late 2000 or early 2001, Ken Kesey had just passed away so whatever year that was.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 04:32 pm
Best bang for your
Best bang for your entertainment $ going on today.
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 04:43 pm
OK so I looked it up, the
OK so I looked it up, the Show was November 10, 2001 and Kesey had passed that very same day, I suppose early morning. Mountain Girl came on stage and did a Eulogy rap.
It's probably out there on Arcive.org ??
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on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 05:09 pm
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 05:15 pm
I was at that DSO JGB show at
I was at that DSO JGB show at the McDonald Theater too Stu.
Saw DSO for the first time in Keene, NH in 1999 and was blown away by how good they were. It was a little weird for the first couple songs because they sounded so much like the GD, including the vocals. But then decided to just go with it and was hooked.
Saw them every time they came to town for about 10 years and they were really fun shows. But after FJ left they sort of lost their luster for me. Still see them from time to time, mostly at festivals, and still fun, well played GD music but won't go out of my way to see them these days.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Billy Shears jackoroses
on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 05:41 pm
>>>I found it odd that years
>>>I found it odd that years ago they were playing larger venues than Bob Weir and Ratdog.
One reason for this is that, at some point, Fake Bobby became better at playing Rhythm Guitar in the style of Bob Weir than Bob Weir, himself.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB StrawBud
on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 05:56 pm
My how they have grown! I saw
My how they have grown! I saw their first few shows and many thereafter at Martyr's in Chicago. They used to play there every Tuesday I believe for several years before they started branching out and playing weekend runs in MI, IN, OH, etc. Good Times.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: DaBreeze Mosthigh
on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 06:17 pm
>>Fake Bobby became better at
>>Fake Bobby became better at playing Rhythm Guitar in the style of Bob Weir than Bob Weir, himself.
And his guitar tone doesn't sound like nails on a chalkboard, either.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 06:18 pm
And he also doesn't spend
And he also doesn't spend half the show with his back to the audience, fiddling with his gear.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: r n terrapin1977
on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 06:24 pm
Has Eaton ever had a chance
Has Eaton ever had a chance to do the "Take a step back " bit ?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 06:36 pm
Max Creek + The Zen
Max Creek + The Zen Tricksters were the 1st dead cover bands I fell for,, while the dead was still around.
Zen Tricksters > Kettle Joe's Psychedelic Swamp Review > DSO
A seamless progression of perfection.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba Noodler
on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 07:41 pm
Only saw them once, back in
Only saw them once, back in 2002 at the Oregon Country Fair;
I was working mainstage sound crew that year.... got to meet JK, likely the oddest meeting of any musician during those years of doing sound, lol. (for ex, Billy K was all smiles, pot smoke, very gracious, especially how he reached out his hand to my bestie Joan when she was trapsing back to camp in the wooded area (Billy preffered sound camp to musicians camp, less hero worship, more just another wild crazy guy, lol)
Mountain Girl introduced them (my first time meeting her that I remember), and requested that they just play music, and not recreate a show (their schtick), which was great (we all assumed we'd get the 72 veneta show)
The hands down highlight for me (and one of my fave music related moments and weather related moments), was standing on top of the main speaker arrays, throwing tarps over them as a thunderstorm got roaring. The band down to my left, the crowd in front of me, when a massive lighting bolt cracked over the crowd in a huge loop, absolutely breathtakingly spectacular... the crowd wowed, the thunder overtook the PA sound for a moment, while the band was playing Dark Star... momentus!
I was kind of neutral about their set, not to amazing, didn't suck, more utilitarian dead (which i'm fine with). I think I liked the Zen Trickster a bit more in that era (got to mix them, Rob Barroco's keyboard got lost on the plane, nobody could find one on site in time for their set (literally airport to stage), so he played acoustic guitar - masterfully (like wholy fucking shit, ROB CAN PLAY THE SHIT OUT OF THE GUITAR!!! - and what a genuinely nicest guy in the world). I will say that JK was likely a much better guitarist than the guy (blanking name, really nice guy too!) with the Tricksters (who's now with DSO), but I regress...
Long live the music of the Dead!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Def. High Surfdead
on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 08:27 pm
Jeff Matson.
Jeff Matson.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: DaBreeze Mosthigh
on Friday, November 26, 2021 – 09:32 pm
Mattison
I wonder if JK would've done better if he'd stayed with DSO. I'm sure he made a bundle with Furthur, but that was only 4+ years. He's not much more well known than JM, and working a lot less, it seems.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Joe Buck is Back masonskids
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 07:58 am
Jakes Leg was the first Dead
Jakes Leg was the first Dead cover band I ever enjoyed. They just celebrated their 45th anniversary this past weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9O1T0egayI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2wDkr-U5MM
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Barry bigoff
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 08:06 am
The concept creeped me out at
The concept creeped me out at first. Went to see them early 2009's. It's hard to say why, but I couldn't deal with it.
I wanted to try again so I went to one of their Cap run shows when they subbed for PLF. I was extremely impressed with their musicianship and I had a great time. Been to a couple more shows since and I had fun.
I still do prefer our music to be reinterpreted ie, PLF, JRAD, even Deadco although I am not a huge fan of slow motion music.
It's our music executed exceptionally well by musicians who love it as much as we do.
Ling Kive The Grateful Dead.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: JP (J Bomb) Tatters
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 08:15 am
The Volunteers or GTFO.
The Volunteers or GTFO.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: fishcane fishcane
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 10:02 am
I've seen some amazing
I've seen some amazing tribute bands over the years but for some reason the GD ones always weird me out, not really sure why. Even the core 4 I prefer doing new music, MHB, 7walkers, Blue Mt, etc...the only one I ever found "that" connection to with the back catalog was Hunter.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 10:21 am
Never been very interested in GD cover bands. The only GD cover band I've seen is Furthur. I may have seen Living Earth, but that was long ago.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sigmund SeaMonster
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 11:04 am
Grub used to play in
Grub used to play in Shakedown
I had seen them many times. And like ALL dead cover bands, "The more you drink, the better they sound"
I saw the Cube a couple times while visiting CA. always have fun with their friendly crowd.
Although I appreciate the premise I do not really enjoy DSO but am glad they are there "for the kids"
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: nebulous nelly Orange County Lumber Truck
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 11:08 am
Living Earth...
https://archive.org/details/LivingEarthLiveAtTheChestnutCaberet1989
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: skifurthur AMSaddler
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 12:00 pm
Garry Tallent, bassist for
Garry Tallent, bassist for Bruce Springsteen's The E Street Band, has often told the story about in the period after Born To Run up until the end of Darkness On The Edge of Town tour, how he would successionally pop into one of the Jersey Shore's clubs where a cover band, The B Street Band, would do 4 or 5 sets in an evening. He got to know the band as was taken back that they were all taking home considerably more than the members of The E Street Band were and they all had nicer digs, better cars, etc. The reason was that the cover band didn't have the touring overhead that the original did, so they took home more money. Of course that changed after they jumped into arenas and stadiums...it changed a lot.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Roarshock Roarshock
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 12:03 pm
It was an emotional decision,
It was an emotional decision, I would suggest, when the band decided to retire the Grateful Dead name after Jerry died. I bet there has been some second guessing of that, as a strategic move, in the years since.
But look at how the music has flowered and multiplied and the tunes now firmly in the American songbook. There are more Grateful Dead fans now than ever before.
I distinguish cover bands and legacy bands. The legacy bands include one or more member of the GD, but the cover bands don't necessarily need any direct connection. All these younger musicians, well schooled in the cannon, became a source of talent from which the Core Four have selected some of the best for their legacy bands. Think of all the musicians Phil has brought into the music.
Rejoice, brothers and sisters, Grateful Dead music will go on forever.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Roarshock Roarshock
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 12:20 pm
The musicians are mortal, but
The musicians are mortal, but Grateful Dead music is eternal.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Roarshock Roarshock
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 12:21 pm
The audience are also mortal,
The audience are also mortal, but new ones come as the old ones go.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 01:08 pm
> Never understood
> Never understood
If you get confused...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Barry bigoff
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 04:50 pm
Decent thread. People are
Decent thread. People are being polite and articulate. Way to go zoners
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Frank3 frank3
on Saturday, November 27, 2021 – 05:10 pm
i went to a few shows of
i went to a few shows of thiers 98-01(ish)
always had fun, went knowing what i was in for
they can play and provide smiles :)
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 01:03 am
I get it
I get it
many times
And sometimes outstanding in sacrilege Eaton is way better than Bobby
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Lance minimum goad Newberry heathentom
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 05:43 am
That isn't sacrilege, it's
Oh brother. That isn't sacrilege, it's just... well, I don't know.
I was going to say shallow, but that doesn't fit.
What's a word for less than shallow?
Empty?
Vacuous?
Stupid?
Eaton is very good at what he does.
Bob Weir, with all his ups & downs, is a one-of-a-kind legend.
And DSO is popular for the same reasons that Phil & Friends, JRAD, The Other Ones, Melvin Seals JGB, Dead & Co., The Dead, Furthur, Jerry's Middle Finger, The Wolf Brothers, Ratdog, Cubensis, Splintered Sunlight and all the others are popular, for the same reasons the Grateful Dead was popular...
Skilled players playing great songs in a unique, open, in-the-moment, conversational style, ALL of it based on improvisation, which makes all of it happening RIGHT NOW. Every day new, every show it's own, every one different, an ongoing adventure.
Always, what will happen today? Always, what will happen tomorrow? For better and worse, but always different and always popular IF the players are good enough to pull it off. Of course there's always personal opinion about that bit, but in the end, if people are paying to see you do it, you're probably good enough to pull it off to some acceptable degree.
Because far beyond the great songs, what makes this music timeless is the improvisational nature of it, and for those who think these modern players or groups are not "original", by it's very nature if it's improvisational it must be original, because even if they've mastered a style or technique, no one can copy another's in-the-moment improv ideas. You either have it or you don't, and if you don't than we've never heard of you. And let's face it, we've all heard of A LOT of these type of players.
And unlike all the other cover bands of classic rock groups where all the fans are of a similar (older) age, it's that "every day is new" improv approach that's why there are people of EVERY age grooving to modern GD music at shows of every one of those bands mentioned, it's why young people continually "got on the bus" throughout the Grateful Dead's 30-year career, and IMO is why the music and the shows will continue long after us old-timers are long gone.
Because live Grateful Dead music is about the moment, and the ability of the individual players to have inspired, good/great and entertaining ideas in the moment. That appeals to a certain type of human, a type that I believe most all of us here are, a type that exists in every generation, a type that's drawn to a little of the unknown and some adventure in their lives, and so also in their music.
And the Grateful Dead's musical structure & songbook is the perfect vehicle for that.
So...
LONG LIVE THE GRATEFUL DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: OO Christopher710
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 11:11 am
Love DSO!
Love DSO!
Vorty hooked me up many times with backstage passes. One of the best zoners evah!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Philzone Refugee Herbal Dave
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 11:52 am
What's a word for less than
What's a word for less than shallow?
Empty?
Vacuous?
Stupid?
<<<<
idiotic
dim-witted
dense
dull
ludicrous
foolish
laughable
imbecilic
vapid
witless
naive
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Jack Fate Shakey Zimmerman
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 12:04 pm
Are you a studying and
Are you a studying and practicing musician who has been doing that for some time now? I'm curious about that. I'm asking about the abilities and talent level at each position. Do you have what it takes to actually participate in what I have always seen as a team effort that through practice and loyalty creates a unit that gets to be very good at their game, remains on top of the league standings and leaves behind a good experience for fans. DSO is that kind of unit. From a bar in Chicago, sparked by an idea from the late Scott Larned and JK a couple of years after the Grateful Dead to thousands of gigs over 20 years helping to fill a void and giving an ability for the various members to make their living doing what they love. I get it without even having to ponder much.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Ken D. Portland_ken
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 12:06 pm
>>>>Eaton is way better than
>>>>Eaton is way better than Bobby
Dude does have all the mannerisms down pat, from the lunging, to the spitting, to the trademark Bobby head thrown back scream. I was at the DSO show first time Donna sat in (she sounded great). Between songs, she looked over at faux Bob and said "This is so weird."
I wasn't there, but first time Bob Weir sat in with DSO, it was totally unannounced. Instead, during the middle of a song, fake Bob stepped back into the shadows and the real Bob Weir emerged without skipping a beat
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 12:07 pm
> What's a word for less than
> What's a word for less than shallow?
Derp.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor doolittle
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 12:32 pm
Eaton better than Weir
Eaton better than Weir
Weir though at times was very WEIRd is an original who created the Weir show. At times I thought it was over the top and embarrassing but he is a RnR legend and what a trip of a life he has lived!
And I agree with what Ken said.. Eaton trying to be a clone of Weir is creepy.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 12:39 pm
Eaton doesn't have 'off'
Eaton doesn't have 'off' nights...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB StrawBud
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 01:40 pm
Give it up. You may not like
Give it up. You may not like Bobby or whatever but he is a one of a kind living legend whom helped birth and advance the greatest band to ever roam the land. Rob Eaton seems cool and is a good player but the chances are fairly high that you never would know him if it weren't for Weir et al.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor doolittle
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 01:49 pm
^Amen
^Amen
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 01:51 pm
I thought it was weird when
I thought it was weird when Eaton set up a GoFundMe when he got injured earlier this year. Doesn't he live in Vail?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: KeseyB neo-luddite
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 01:57 pm
The McDonald theater JGB was
The McDonald theater JGB was a great show.
Sad about Kesey, however a good show.
Liver cancer sucks. Be careful out there.....
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Thumbkinetic (Bluestnote)
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 01:58 pm
Dude does have all the
Dude does have all the mannerisms down pat, from the lunging, to the spitting, to the trademark Bobby head thrown back scream.<<
What about the awful* falsetto?
*I make an exception for The Weight but I'm not entirely sure why.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 02:09 pm
>>You may not like Bobby or
>>You may not like Bobby or whatever but he is a one of a kind living legend whom helped birth and advance the greatest band to ever roam the land. Rob Eaton seems cool and is a good player but the chances are fairly high that you never would know him if it weren't for Weir et al.<<
I like him just fine, and I actually agree with you.
And in 2021, as a fan, to my ears; Weir's musical output is unreliable and inconsistent enough for me to just not take him seriously (in the context of delivering live performances) anymore.
...Kind of like Willie Nelson
Your ears may tell you differently, and that's fine.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor doolittle
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 02:22 pm
Eaton doesn't have 'off'
Eaton doesn't have 'off' nights...<<<<
Eaton beats off to Bobby every night!!
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: joy blackrock
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 03:15 pm
I for one cherish DSO.
I for one cherish DSO.
Besides the fact that they are all REALLY nice people too.
Also I sympathize for some of the loss of key friends they've endured over the years.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: jeff JR
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 03:49 pm
the last couple of times
the last couple of times seeing them I remember standing there trying to force myself to like them while having an intense feeling of embarrassment that I was in the crowd.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: smiley 73guy
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 04:53 pm
Eaton doesn't seem to be
Eaton doesn't seem to be plagued with the slow gene.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Druba Noodler
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 05:12 pm
Eatons a very good player...
Eatons a very good player... Bobby's more creative, unorthodox, fantastic composer, and Eaton can't touch bobby when it comes to Space, not sure Bobby can touch Eaton when it comes to playing tight, but that's not always the goal, lol
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: doctor doolittle
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 06:25 pm
@JR
@JR
I've never been in the crowd, but I feel your sentiment.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: _________ Plf9905
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 06:42 pm
Seen DSO about 7 or 8 times
Seen DSO about 7 or 8 times NEVER Had A Bad Time Seeing Them Way FUN.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: surjade Treeflo
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 07:39 pm
Ive seen them plenty and they
Ive seen them plenty and they can put on a fun show for sure. One of the more memorable ones was when they played TXR and Phil played bass the entire second set. So i guess it was sort of a Phil and phriends show and Phil gets it.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rando Salvador Vagrante
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 09:32 pm
I love DSO. They are the
I love DSO. They are the single unit that helped me re-engage after 1995 (yes I'm a touch head apparently). I saw a bunch of shows from 2000 until JK left for Further. In Lolo, MT they summer (freezing summer show?), JK said he was ready and had to take the gig. Personally, I don't think DSO ever fully recovered but it is what it is. DSO is the most professional crew out there and puts it out there for the right reason. I'll also always support the cause. And Eaton is amazing IMO.
BTW, Starheads are an actual thing...
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 10:06 pm
DSO's show last night: https:
DSO's show last night: https://archive.org/details/dso2021-11-27/dso2021-11-27
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Sunday, November 28, 2021 – 11:53 pm
Fwiw
Fwiw
i fucking love Bobby
He was damn amazing in that Grateful Dead band
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Sycamore Slough Disco Stu
on Monday, November 29, 2021 – 02:24 am
Genuine Grateful Dead had
Genuine Grateful Dead had much Surlier Roadies.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: GDTRFB StrawBud
on Monday, November 29, 2021 – 11:20 am
Is this the part where we
Is this the part where we start comparing and sizing up the fake versions of Big Steve, Ram Rod, and Rex Jackson?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Monday, November 29, 2021 – 11:36 am
I think Disco Stu did just
I think Disco Stu did just that right before you, Strawbud.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: and then there's jlp
on Monday, November 29, 2021 – 03:18 pm
For a troll thread this sure
For a troll thread this sure did get a lot of traction
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Briank Briank
on Monday, November 29, 2021 – 03:33 pm
Grateful Dead: They're not
Grateful Dead: They're not the best at what they do, they are the only ones who do what they do.
DSO: They're not the only ones who do what they do, but they are the best at what they do.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Monday, November 29, 2021 – 03:45 pm
I didn't see this so much as
I didn't see this so much as a troll thread, JIll. It seemed more like a Change My Mind kind of thing.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Rasputin O'Leary Rasmataz
on Monday, November 29, 2021 – 03:53 pm
Jerry passed the baton to
Jerry passed the baton to many bands and musicians. Thankfully they didn't drop it.
It would be a tough row to hoe living in a world without hearing this stuff live anymore.
Who qualifies as a dead cover band these days anyway ?
Phil n Friends
Dead n Co
Billy + The Kids
DSO
JRAD
What else we got ?
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: El Nino kxela
on Monday, November 29, 2021 – 04:01 pm
They brought me back to
They brought me back to seeing the music live again. I can't even remember my last dead show I think it was in 94, but it hadn't been a focus since 90. I went in a very different direction musically and saw DSO around 04 on a whim based on reading about them recreating shows. It was strange to stand in the Fillmore and hear them play particularly with JK's voice at the time when he wasn't trying at all to not sound like Jerry. I remember bringing friends after that just to see their expressions for the first few songs.
I don't think I ever had a bad time and have to say that seeing Bob, Donna, and Phil all play with them at separate times in the Fillmore gave me a little taste of what I was too young to see in person, and that Phil show at the Fillmore with DSO was a truly exceptional set of Dead music and may be one of my all time favorite Eyes https://archive.org/details/DSO2012-10-13.SBD.flac/dso2012-10-13d2t04eye.... If they are good enough for those three to play with them then I would say they are good enough for me to go listen to them, and as someone who didn't get to see 70's dead except for a couple of 79 shows it's as close as I'll get and way more fun than listening to a tape on the couch at home.
My only complaint is that recently they play smaller venues that are often oversold and crowded.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Roarshock Roarshock
on Monday, November 29, 2021 – 06:01 pm
"I didn't see this so much as
"I didn't see this so much as a troll thread, JIll. It seemed more like a Change My Mind kind of thing."
As co-founder of the Troll Empire, under that Bridge in Berkeley, on September 9, 1979, I say this most certainly is a troll tread.
https://roarshock.net/projecttroll.html
Some very thoughtful posts here. Thanks everybody.
I did see DSO once when they played at Hardly Strictly Bluegrass, and will be seeing them again in April at Skull and Roses. Armed with new knowledge and perspective.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: cultivate kindness mikeedwardsetc
on Monday, November 29, 2021 – 06:02 pm
lol. I stand corrected.
lol. I stand corrected.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: long live the dead love matters
on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 – 12:40 am
I hope to roar with you
I hope to roar with you
stoked
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: The Lonely Questioner Lagerandgospel
on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 – 09:59 am
I'm 42. I tried to jump on
I'm 42. I tried to jump on Summer Tour 1995 but my older friends, who didn't want legal liability for a runaway, wisely ditched me. I was pretty ticked, but I'm glad they did so. I did start touring in 1997, and did so until Fall 2001. Furthur 1997 wasn't awesome. Phil Tour in 2001 was. The band was really coming into their own as players in a post-grateful dead world.
In the middle of all that, I went to see Dark Star Orchestra one time in Fall 2000. At that point, I was going to large amphitheaters in the summers and hitting up smaller joints in the spring and fall. There was always a big scene and my tour friends. When I saw Dark Star, there was no scene. It was muuch smaller. I thought it was weird. It was kinda offputting. I totally thought they were a good band. They were literally the first dead cover band I saw, and they did a good job.
I didn't see another one of their shows until Spring 2012. It was a combo of events: Furthur was kinda boring me, Phil basically stopped touring as much, Ratdog wasn't really a thing, and also Dino lived nearby and my wife joined a shortly lived Jerry Garcia Band project with him.
Catching DSO when they were nearby was always affordable, a good time, and honestly, always a good consistent show. I liked Jeff Mattson cause I liked Zen Tricksters from when I was young. I liked Rob Barraco from his time with Phil. Their fans were fun folks who loved Grateful Dead music and were looking to dance. THe music is still decent at tempos and performance, and still affordable.
So, that's my approach: can you play Grateful Dead music that is technically really good? Is the performance affordable and somewhat nearby? Will I dance and enjoy myself?
They've done that, and as long as that is the case, I'll continue to catch them when they play. Its rock and roll. Doesn't need to be overthought.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: The Eggman Sandiegohead
on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 – 12:09 pm
What's not to understand?
What's not to understand? They play Grateful Dead music really well and are affordable . I don't travel for them but I see the local SD shows and if they play a good venue in The Bay Area like GAMH I work in SF office so I can check it out. I don't understand why folks would be embarrassed to be there that seams like a Dead Headier then thou attitude. I like the band more w Mattson than JK but I have been seeing him play since The 80s at The Right Track Inn in Freeport w The Volunteers. Tommy Circosta, also from The Volunteers, does a very good Bobby as well. I knew him in High School he was in my buddies band and was and probably is still a really good dude.
The Volunteers or GTFO.))))))))))))))))))) I hear ya !
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Bobstar Dogcatcher
on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 – 06:32 pm
seeing DSO this weekend in
seeing DSO this weekend in Fort Lauderdale and looking forward to it. If you like the music, you will not be disappointed. Like several others here, I used to frequent the Right Track Inn in Freeport back in the 80/90s and loved me some Zen Tricksters back in the day
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: Mice elf Bss
on Tuesday, November 30, 2021 – 09:42 pm
Volunteers - Ramble On Rose -
Volunteers - Ramble On Rose - Right Track Inn 5-30-87
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCU2ESLfgYE
do yourself a favor
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: It's me Dave open up! Davesnothere
on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 12:23 am
^^^^ My only complaint is
^^^^ My only complaint is that recently they play smaller venues that are often oversold and crowded.
We've experienced some of those. They outgrew the GAMH, especially when they added a big merch table and the giant GD soundboard taking up floor space. The Regency and Fillmore were about right for a while. Now, even bumping up to larger venues like the Warfield and UC Theatre hasn't resulted in the dance space my crew looks for. Ah, picky, picky, if it's too crowded you're too old? Definitely have enjoyed seeing them outdoors where there is room to move.
I give these guys a lot of credit. They are pros, they start on time, and they put out! They may play a pre-determined setlist, but if there is time left, they fill it. More than once I've seen them finish a "show" then add a significant mini-set of '60s psychedelic rave-up fun to fill the remaining time. And the crowd is fun! This isn't a sausage fest full of 60+ year olds standing around in tropical shirts like some ABB or Mule shows I've seen. This is multi-generational, with hippy "kids" who know the music, ready to mix it up on the dance floor. I'll admit I've never cared to revisit recordings, but they are a band that will get us to "GO TO THE SHOW" as much as any these days. Damn this COVID bs.....
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 12:29 pm
Bss thanks for posting that
Bss thanks for posting that footage! Anymore of that available?
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 12:52 pm
Not supporting cover bands
Not supporting cover bands like DSO, would probably force those cover band players to actually be a creative artist, get into their muse, labor over creative endeavors, and make the world a better place. However, I get how being a musician and making $ is super hard, and the temptation of the GD money machine to pay the bills might be difficult to pass up.
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 01:07 pm
Hey mark if you click the
Hey mark if you click the name of the person who posted it on youtube, underneath the actual video, he has a few others I think from this same show
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 01:08 pm
DSO is just continuing the
DSO is just continuing the work that Jerry started with the CIA back in the 60's
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 01:10 pm
All professional musicians
All professional musicians aren't composers or songwriters. And, unlike members of a classical symphony or orchestra, the DSO players have some room for live improvisation as a creative outlet.
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 01:13 pm
Mice elf,
Mice elf,
A 15 year old version of myself might have been at that right track inn show. Fun.
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 01:14 pm
Here's a crumb for you Zen
Here's a crumb for you Zen Tricksters fans.
Remember when they were Phil's friends at the Warfield?
DSO was on the distant horizon for them then but the Mighty Q was right around the corner!
https://archive.org/details/1999-10-07.paf.schoeps.kempa.5052.sbeok.flac...
Go ahead and Jump!
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 03:27 pm
I typically don't travel far
I typically don't travel far for any shows, 4 hour radius at most, but I did go see DSO at Red Rocks when they first played there, and it was a great time. Felt like a great time to celebrate their accomplishment. My flight cost $11, and my hotel room was free, due to travel miles saved. It was the first show at Red Rocks I saw since Phil Lesh Quintet there in July 2001. It was fun!
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 05:24 pm
Personally I wish there were
Personally I wish there were more jam bands that brought together great musicians and did all covers, and it doesn't have to be all dead. I think there is a huge market for a JRAD type band that played almost anything as long as they start with a song that most people will know. I think if there is one thing that the last 50 years showed us is that great song writing at the level the dead brought it is really hard, and we are probably not going to see a whole lot more of that. As long as they are doing interesting improvisations who cares if they wrote the song or not. That is the difference between a U2 cover band and a jam band cover band.
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 05:34 pm
I'm kind of surprised there
I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been a Q cover band yet (that I'm aware of). Give it time, I suppose?
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 07:33 pm
I enjoy DSO much more with
I enjoy DSO much more now, with Jeff Mattson on guitar, and with Skip on bass.
This current lineup sounds a lot better to my ears than the previous bass & lead players that have been in DSO.
Eaton definitely does a more & better Bobby than Bobby; but, like cowbell, I don't always want more.
The couple times I have seen them without Eaton, were fantastic.
I'd go see a DSO (Dark Star Offshoot) run, where they just did a 1 guitar JGB based thing.
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 08:06 pm
^ fuck'n A
^ fuck'n A
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 08:09 pm
Mice Elf thanks! I checked
Mice Elf thanks!
I checked and there are many, here is a song that I never got to see The Grateful Dead do live and only saw it live when Warren did it w the symphony orchestra and then by DeadCo .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25bJK6BuK_E
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on Wednesday, December 1, 2021 – 11:25 pm
Cam....I'm so with you all
Cam....I'm so with you all the way on the Jeff and Skip topic. Top tier, both of them.
Top of Page Bottom of Page PermalinkFull Name: The Lonely Questioner Lagerandgospel
on Thursday, December 2, 2021 – 09:40 am
I'm kind of surprised there
I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been a Q cover band yet (that I'm aware of). Give it time, I suppose?>>>
I would love a band who played in the spirit of the Q. Ironically, the only other band Dark Star Orchestra has "covered" a whole show of besides the Grateful Dead, was Phil Lesh & Friends. No, not the Q, but they did cover Phil's setlist from 11/15/2012 when they subbed for Phil's canceled show at Capitol Theater in 11/2019.
I enjoyed the opening jam-not typical of DSO, and the Low Spark was sizzling. Here's the show:
https://youtu.be/InUoSA_qaAk?t=1662
Set One: Jam > Jack Straw > Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo > Crazy Fingers > He's Gone > Cold Rain And Stone ; Ship Of Fools ; Mason's Children
Set Two: Dear Mr. Fantasy > Help On The Way > Slipknot > Viola Lee Blues > Alligator > The Eleven > Standing On The Moon> *Low Spark Of High Heeled Boy > Slipknot > Franklin's Tower
Phil Donor Rap (video of Phil projected on Capital Theater wall)
Encore: Box Of Rain
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on Thursday, December 2, 2021 – 11:44 am
What's not to get?<<<<
What's not to get?<<<<
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on Thursday, December 2, 2021 – 12:21 pm
Dark Star Orchestra is
Dark Star Orchestra is excited to announce Winter Tour 2022! The tour starts with a pair of shows at Harrah's Lake Tahoe South Shore Room on Jan 28 and 29, followed by shows at the Senator Theatre in Chico, CA on Jan 31 and the Fremont Theatre in San Luis Obispo, CA on Feb 2. After that, the band heads to the Golden State Theatre in Monterey, CA on Feb 3 and then to San Fran for two nights at The Warfield on Feb 4 and 5. The band then wraps up the tour with stops at The Commonwealth Room in Salt Lake City on Feb 8, Belly Up in Aspen on Feb 10, a special acoustic show at 10 Mile Music Hall in Frisco, CO on Feb 11, and the tour closer at Mission Ballroom in Denver on Feb 12.
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on Thursday, December 2, 2021 – 02:31 pm
Also on agree re Jeff & Skip.
Also on agree re Jeff & Skip. Skip played Big Brown the last time I saw them at The HOB in SD was a really nice show they recreated 2/26/77 and played really well. Whats not to like or be embarrassed about.
Set One: Terrapin Station ; New Minglewood Blues ; They Love Each Other ; Estimated Prophet ; Sugaree ; Mama Tried ; Deal ; Playing In The Band > The Wheel > Playing In The Band
Set Two: Samson And Delilah ; Tennessee Jed ; The Music Never Stopped ; Help On The Way > Slipknot! > Franklin's Tower ; The Promised Land ; Eyes Of The World > Jam > Dancing In The Street > Around And Around
Encore: U.S. Blues