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Nobody Is Above the Law—Mueller Firing Rapid Response

Donald Trump is publicly considering firing Special Counsel Robert Mueller, the person leading the Department of Justice investigation of possible criminal actions by Donald Trump and members of his presidential campaign, as well as the efforts to conceal those activities. 

It's also possible that, rather than firing Mueller, Trump will obstruct Mueller's investigation by issuing blanket pardons of key figures being investigated, firing Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein (the person overseeing Mueller), or taking other actions to prevent the investigation from being conducted freely.

Any one of these actions would create a constitutional crisis for our country. It would demand an immediate and unequivocal response to show that we will not tolerate abuse of power from Donald Trump.

Our response in the hours following a power grab will dictate what happens next and whether Congress—the only body with the constitutional power and obligation to rein Trump in from his rampage—will do anything to stand up to him. 

That's why we're preparing to hold emergency "Nobody is Above the Law" rallies around the country, in the event they are needed. 

 

This link has more information and searches for actions in your area.

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/

The protests need to target the complicit GOP members of Congress. Donnie is only above the law because the GOP are not holding him accountable. 

Thom's not going to like this.

When Impeachment?

Wait for it...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL

 

 

 

By this time next year one of these three things will have happened:

1. Trump will have been impeached after the big blue wave of the midterm elections; or

2. Trump will have resigned after Mueller presents incontrovertible proof of his financial crimes, treason, and obstruction of justice; or

3. The country will be embroiled in civil war between the supporters of Trump and the supporters of our democracy.

I’m hoping for one of the first two choices.

Nancy is right. If and when Trump does something that truly subverts democracy, the GOP needs to protect the system over the Party.

On the upside, Zooey, there really aren’t enough die-hard Trump supporters to mount a real civil war. I still believe that if the shit hits the fan, most Republicans will jump ship pretty quickly.

That CLOWN at Sysco  His Spray fentanyl Beyond Horrific .... LOCK HIM UP

4. The cockroaches will rule the world.

The cockroaches always win the end game.

Lol

Yeah them repubs will save the country and do the right thing...

 

At least my idealistic fantasies are free.

I’m thinking  they don’t want the cockroaches to win, T.

 

the mid term elections can’t come - or might not come - soon enough. Donne is itching to drop a nuclear bomb and is too dense to understand the consequences. 

there really aren’t enough die-hard Trump supporters to mount a real civil war<<<

While the majority are mostly just talk, there probably enough to insure the populace will wind up fearing "domestic terrorism" as well as a growing "militant resistance" to the powers that unseated Trump.  

In the “civil war” I’ll bet on whoever has our military behind them, in a rout. 

He sure as hell won’t have the intelligence agencies on his side.

Do you think he's going to trust anyone but "his own people" at that level?

This is where Blackwater or the like may enter the picture.

My essay this week: The Mad King

Trump is moving into a new and more dangerous phase.

Before, he was constrained by a few “adults” – Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohn, H.R. McMaster, and John Kelly – whom he appointed because he thought they had some expertise he lacked.

Now he’s either fired or is in the process of removing the adults, replacing them with a Star Wars cantina of toadies and sycophants who will reflect back at him his own glorious view of himself, and help sell it on TV.

Narcissists are dangerous because they think only about themselves. Megalomaniacs are dangerous because they think only about their power and invincibility. A narcissistic megalomaniac who’s unconstrained – and who’s also president of the United States – is as dangerous as they come.

The man who once said he could shoot someone dead on Fifth Avenue and still be elected president now openly boasts of lying to the Canadian Prime Minister, deciding on his own to negotiate mano a mano with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un, unilaterally slapping tariffs on imported steel and aluminum, and demanding the death penalty for drug dealers.

He’s pulling big policy pronouncements out of his derriere and then leaving it up to the White House to improvise explanations and implementation plans.

Trump has always had faith in his instincts. But it’s one thing for a business tycoon or even a presidential candidate to rely on instincts, quite another for the leader of the free world to rely solely on his gut.

Worse yet, the new Trump believes no one can lay a glove on him. He’s survived this far into his presidency despite lapses that would have done in most other presidents.

He doesn’t worry that his approval ratings continue to be in the cellar. By his measure he’s come out on top: Fox News loves him. He dominates every news cycle. The pre-selected crowds at his rallies roar their approval.

He’s become the Mad King who says or does anything his gut tells him to, while his courtiers genuflect.

How will this end?

Best outcome: Trump becomes irrelevant to the practical business of governing America. He gets all the attention he craves while decision makers in Washington and around the world mainly roll their eyes and ignore him. There’s some evidence this is already happening. 

Worst outcome: Trump becomes so enraged at anyone who takes him on that he lashes out, with terrible consequences. He fires special counsel Robert Mueller – precipitating a constitutional crisis and in effect a civil war between Trump supporters and the rest of America.

Or he orders an attack on North Korea – precipitating a nuclear war. 
 
Who knows what a mad king will do when no adults remain to supervise him? 

[Full essay at http://robertreich.org/post/171972207570]

Law enforcement will shoot unarmed liberal protesters. They won't shoot armed conservatives. 

>>> Donald Trump is publicly considering firing Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

If he could, why hasn't he already?

Could it be that he's only trying to undermine Mueller and the investigation?

Possibly preparing his base for the coming indictments and impeachment proceedings (if Blue Wave happens) that will get them to think all charges are illegitimate?

Because if he did fire Mueller, wouldn't that make him look guilty AF and the GOP would finally have to let him burn?

Which would bring a closure to his Presidency a lot faster then slow walking and cock blocking the investigation.

 

 

 

From the most Never Trump conservative site on the web....

To trigger the appointment of a special counsel, federal regulations require the Justice Department to identify the crimes that warrant investigation and prosecution — crimes that the Justice Department is too conflicted to investigate in the normal course; crimes that become the parameters of the special counsel’s jurisdiction.

Rosenstein, instead, put the cart before the horse: Mueller was invited to conduct a fishing expedition, a boundless quest to hunt for undiscovered crimes, rather than an investigation and prosecution of known crimes.

That deviation, it turns out, is not the half of it. With Rosenstein’s passive approval, Mueller is shredding Justice Department charging policy by alleging earth-shattering crimes, then cutting a sweetheart deal that shields the defendant from liability for those crimes and from the penalties prescribed by Congress. The special counsel, moreover, has become a legislature unto himself, promulgating the new, grandiose crime of “conspiracy against the United States” by distorting the concept of “fraud.”

Why does the special counsel need to invent an offense to get a guilty plea? Why doesn’t he demand a plea to one of the several truly egregious statutory crimes he claims have been committed?

Good questions.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/muellers-investigation-flouts-jus...

That's written by a former Federal Prosecutor, the one who put the Blind Sheik in jail for life, so he knows something about the applicable statutes.  There was no specific crime identified that required investigation when Mueller was appointed, just a vague theory regarding "collusion with the Russians" .  Thus by the Justice Departments own standards he should never have been appointed.  But it became obvious long ago that the need to dispose of Trump is more important to a great deal of the ruling class on both sides of the aisle than anything as mundane as following the rules.

And while he would be an idiot to do so, he has every legal right to fire Mueller if he wants to.

But hey, it's great to see that some around here believe that nobody is above the law.  It would have been nice to see this attitude applied to Hillary's e-mail shenanigans, but better late than never I suppose.

Following up on that theme.....

To put it briefly: What kind of collusion scheme between Russia and the Trump campaign could have existed without Michael Flynn being part of it? What kind of collusion scheme could have existed without Manafort? And Gates? And yet none of them -- nor Papadapoulos, either -- has been charged with taking part in a collusion scheme.

All those charges, and none alleging that any of these men, some of them at the highest levels of the Trump campaign, took part in any collusion, or coordination, or conspiracy between the campaign and Russia.

"I can't imagine that there would have been collusion or conspiracy with the Russians that Michael Flynn didn't know about," said Sol Wisenberg, a former prosecutor with the office of independent counsel Kenneth Starr. "If you're trying to make a collusion case and you are Mueller, you're trying to get someone to plead to the crime you're trying to prove."

McCarthy has written much the same. "When a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme," he wrote last December. "This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme."

Even Preet Bharara, the New York U.S. attorney fired by Trump and no fan of the president's, said last year, "When we had evidence against somebody and wanted them to flip, we made them plead guilty to every bad act that they had ever done, especially if we were later going to be alleging other people had engaged in that activity as well."

But in the Mueller investigation, it is precisely the people who would most be expected to be part of a collusion scheme who have not been charged with taking part in any such activity.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-if-muel...

Maybe that's because, wait for it, there isn't any proof of any collusion because it didn't happen; it was just a plot dreamed up by the Clintonistas (specifically Mook and Podesta), and willingly promoted by their obsequious allies in the press, to discredit Trump as soon as they lost the election that they thought was in the bag.

The motto of the progressive left is "By any means necessary", and they mean it.

Still willing to stand up for Trump? Wow. 

I admire your conviction. I'll admire his more. 

Thom stands with Dictators. And Donnie. 

 

http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/california-forum/article205750864.html

 

 

>...And what happens when they then further convince themselves and their cronies in big business that maybe that devil actually isn’t so devilish, that, despite all his manifest crudeness and vulgarity, he does indeed have some special connection to destiny, a force of will that merits the personal loyalty oath of the Führerprinzip?

What happens when good citizens passively watch as hoodlums masquerading as politicians, and shouting “Deutschland Uber Alles” – Germany First – blow up international institutions, like the League of Nations, and treaties designed to secure the peace after the catastrophe of a world war?

What happens when upright civic leaders stay silent as investments in diplomacy are replaced by renewed arms races and a fetishization of all-things-military?

What happens when decent people do nothing as deportation forces are unleashed to rip apart families, and as religious and ethnic minorities are demonized and brutalized, their residency and employment rights challenged, their values publicly denigrated, by a leadership intent on providing lebensraum for a master race?

What happens when a paranoid leader such as Hitler accuses the rest of the world, in numerous speeches, of having “laughed at us” in its trade and military dealings with Germany, and then promises them they shall laugh no more?

General Erich Ludendorff, the man who, along with Hindenburg, ran Germany’s military effort during World War I, knew the answer. In despair at President Hindenburg having presided over Hitler’s ascent to the Chancellorship, he sent a telegram to the old man: “You have handed over our Fatherland to one of the greatest demagogues of all time. I prophesy to you this evil man will plunge our Reich into the abyss and will inflict immeasurable woe on our nation. Future generations will curse you in your grave for this action.”

My favorite comment about history, however, was penned by Karl Marx, in his “Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon,” his excoriating takedown of the mid-nineteenth century preening, philistine, narcissist French leader and would-be dictator. It is, almost certainly, the most quoted statement about history in… history:

“History repeats itself,” he noted, “first as tragedy, second as farce.”

<<<The motto of the progressive left is "By any means necessary

 

 

lol.

 

no. it isnt.

 

got anything else Thommie?

In the space of time between the election and inauguration when some were calling for electors to go rogue, I was against the idea; not so much on the basis of the "rule of law" (since there was not absolute requirement to vote in any given manner), but simply to avoid the inevitable civil unrest that could have easily turned violent.

Now, however, I've reached a point where I can see how we might be on the cusp where it's necessary that "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure".

I have very little, if any, sympathy for what might be in store for those who cling to support someone who's willing to go to the lengths that Trump has gone;  to intentionally create civil instability and pit American against American on a track that invariably will result in civil unrest - likely as a ruse to protect his own self interests (whatever they might be).  I'm amazed at how far people will allow themselves to be used in such a manner to the expense of the greater good.

It also saddens me to say this in terms of how some in our community are on the "wrong side of history"; and I certainly don't wager any ill intention toward any particular indivdiuals; however, we're clearly on the cusp of something that if it goes too far, all bets are off ... and at that point, we will each need to decide, in our own time, whether one is willing to do whatever it takes. 

Left would never win if there was civil unrest/violence. The other side has way many more weapons.  

 

Been reading comments more than articles themselves & it's astounding we're not already at that point

The link Judit gave is great. Thank you.

Nancy that's some powerful stuff. Thank you.

FOM that last paragraph of yours really sums it up. Thank you.

 

I hope everybody reads the link Judit posted and can bring themselves to respond if any action is taken to end the Trump/Russia investigation.

This is another time in history where we have to be vigilant and are being called to action.

There are many things that need to be fixed on both sides of the aisle.

Please get involved and go the extra mile.

It's not someone else's duty to be the change we seek, it's all of ours.

 

Been reading comments more than articles themselves <<<<

And all while those who've been "reading" (or listening to Hannity, Levin, etc.), reality has a way of biting you in the ass.

Unfortunately, it won't be just you.

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That's why we're preparing to hold emergency "Nobody is Above the Law" rallies around the country, in the event they are needed. 

Use the map or search below by ZIP code to find an event near you, or create one if none exists. 

Rallies will begin just hours after national events are triggered: 

If actions are triggered BEFORE 2 p.m. local time —> events will begin @ 5 p.m. local time.

If actions are triggered AFTER 2 p.m. local time —> events will begin @ noon local time the following day.

This is the general plan—please confirm details on your event page, as individual hosts may tailor their events to their local plan.

I love it when old people use “AF”.

Abercrombie and Fitch?

I don't listen to Hannity or any other talk radio. I don't have cable so no msm. There's this thing called the internet where you can go to a lot of different sites to get a fuller picture about how people feel. And if you think the left isn't as crazy as the right, you might want to broaden your horizons a bit more

And if you think the left isn't as crazy as the right, you might want to broaden your horizons a bit more

I don't think the left is as crazy as the right, but that seems irrelevant because right now, the right is more dangerous than the left. 

 

Save the country from the government!

Hillman - You're are totally right. 

You got to look at both sides no doubt.

 

This is about the disruption and take over of our Democracy.

NOT crazy left and right.

So I'm gonna stick with facts.

 

"armed resistance" from a sitting house member is pretty fucking crazy

>> "armed resistance" from a sitting house member is pretty fucking crazy

It's "Obama is the Anti-Christ" level crazy. 

^that might be felony level crazy

I guess the title of this thread is laughable enough. There are plenty of motherfuckers above the law. Matter of fact they put the law in place to protect their interests. It ain’t at all like “Inside Man” where Denzel walks into a head chairman of a Banks office and threatens him with jail time. That shit doesn’t happen in the real world. Powerful people have people killed. Bribe people. And people get fired for no reason. And no, they never get in trouble just like Hilary skated away without a scratch the same will happen with Trump. Trump is a money machine for the media so you can bet your ass he will be around for a while. Nobody is about to give up another three years of play dough money. Sit tight folks, he will not be made an example of unless they absolutely have to.

 

And if you think the left isn't as crazy as the right, you might want to broaden your horizons a bit more<<<

I also believe the left clearly has its own agenda and can take things to extremes, but what's going on now with Trump's attempts to shut down a legal and credible investigation goes far beyond any sort of political ideology.

For that matter, as someone who voted for Gary Johnson, I take offense to American's engaging in partisan bickering and ultimately providing "cover" to their representatives to bury their head in the sand ... simply to be "right" in their argument that Trump was the better choice (over Hillary).  It's currently in the midst of crossing the line of beyond tiresome and is now treasonous, IMO.  It'd be quite another story if the investigation concluded properly and was exhaustive, but what's going on now is a recipe for out and out violent conflict.

i learned a lot in this thread

thanks 

Thom was Ken Starr supposed to be investigating Clinton getting a blow job from an intern?

Mueller doesn't have the best track record with investigations he conducts. Frankly, it's quite dismal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol

Mueller doesn't have the best track record with investigations he conducts. Frankly, it's quite dismal.<<<

any specifics?

I call BS.

from what I can tell, mueller is professional & thorough, and a true American patriot,

unlike the orange traitor who is currently going crazy in the White House.

anthrax investigation after 9/11

enron

arthur anderson

 

anthrax was really bad. caused an american citizen to commit suicide. mueller refused to accept information that foreign terrorists were likely involved. mohammed atta went to the hospital due to lesions on his skin that were consistent with anthrax exposure symptoms. forgot the other guy's name, hawanzi or something like that. had evidence that they were looking into crop duster planes to possibly use to disperse mucho anthrax.

arthur andersen convictions were overturned. same with enron

actually enron/arthur andersen was the same case. he got skilling, lay, et al from enron. the arthur anderson auditing was part of that case & was overturned

I stand with Nancy.

hillman likes salt 

 

“NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW”

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-apprentice-lawsuit/trump-de...

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A New York state judge on Tuesday said U.S. President Donald Trump must face a defamation lawsuit by a woman who accused him of sexually harassing her after she appeared on his former reality TV show...

 

>>>    Mueller doesn't have the best track record with investigations he conducts.

>>>    Frankly, it's quite dismal.

 

National Security Advisor Flynn plead guilty and is cooperating.

Trump Deputy campaign manager Gates plead guilty and is cooperating.

Trump "foreign policy advisor" Papadapolous plead guilty and is cooperating.