Pocahontas

Powder Finger followed by Cortez are Neil's best nods to the our natives. 

Trump the Chump lies again, denies he ever said he'd donate 1 mil to charity if proven wrong, except he did and its on tape...just like Mexico and the wall, or anything else that lying fucking sack of shit has ever said...

here's the quote and the link to the 7/5 rally :

https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-speech-make-america-great-agai...

"Because we're in the me-too generation so I have to be very gentle. And we will very gently take that kit and we will slowly toss it, hoping it doesn't hit her and injure her arm even though it only weighs probably two ounces. And we will say, I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test so that it shows you're an Indian. You know."

But he never said it....

Already has my 2020 vote.

Trump DNA linked to pumpkin patch in upstate NY

"proof"

It's a truism of trolling that, once the person you're trolling begins qualifying against the troll, you have successfully trolled them.

I wish somebody would have explained this to Sen. Warren. 

...

According to the Boston Globe, the test showed that she had some Indian ancestor "in the range of 6-10 generations ago.” 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/10/15/here-what-you-need-know-abo...

In all fairness, that is far from what is needed to claim tribal benefits in any nation.  Didn't Tump say he would pay the $1 million if she proved she was "Indian."  Having an Indian in the family 6-10 generations ago doesn't make you one by anyone's definition.   So Trump is probably right on this one and Warren was telling a fib when she changed her declared ethnicity from white to Native American at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, where she taught from 1987 to 1995.        

Still, calling someone "Pocahontas​" is in bad taste if not down right racist and Warren is still a much better person than Trump could every hope to be and would make a very good president despite all this nonsense.

Did she ever try to claim “tribal benefits”?

Warren is a smart woman and a good senator; but she obviously isn't cut out for the troll game. 

I was an Indian (feather not dot) in my last life.  Native American,  redskin kid.]

Before that I was in England.

Those past lives were not all that glamorous.  

This time around,  everything is nice.

I went to famous Grateful Dead shows at Lake Placid,  Buffalo,  Rochester,  Saratoga and Syracuse.

That's just a few highlights of NY state,  which still has Indian Reservations.

The Lake Placid one was at the Olympic arena,  and was Epic in many ways.  1983  and a Very Nice Show.

Maybe the Saranac tribe were  the locals back in the day ?? 

Here is what he said in context.  He should pay up to that charity or forever be known as an Indian giver.

https://youtu.be/RwNlyiUy2Qk

Warren for the win. Eat crow, Donnie.

How so, Nancy? Surely an internet veteran like yourself can recognize the absurdity of Warren actually biting on Trump's troll bait, completing a DNA test, and ending up with results that prove nothing other than the fact that he successfully trolled her. 

She’s going to run in 2020 and win, bigly. 

Of course Donnie won’t stop mocking her, but he just looks more foolish now. Especially when he denied he ever said he’d pay a million bucks. 

But yeah, Cult45 won’t care or understand 

I'm not ashamed to admit that I was certain Hillary was going to win in 2016. I'm no longer certain of anything. 

I was chatting with some zoner pals today about the fact that the autists on the far right are out-internetting the shit out of us. The #NPC meme yesterday was a stroke of viral genius, like it or not.

Serious question- how should the Left respond to this? It seems pretty clear that the Right have figured out the real battleground for hearts & minds is on social media; meanwhile, we're still staging largely ineffective 60's style marches? 

Warren readies for 2020 run

The Massachusetts senator’s presidential race choreography is unmistakable.

By NATASHA KORECKI and ALEX THOMPSON 

10/15/2018 07:44 PM EDT Updated 10/15/2018 08:40 PM EDT

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/15/warren-2020-election-902706

I echo Mark's sentiments of not being certain of anything politically anymore but a warren presidential run does not feel like it'd b a safe bet for the dems to me.

she's the one to unite the Berniecrats and the Democrats. 

Gosh darnit, she's smart enough and people like her. 

I like her and would have voted for her had she been on the 2016 ticket even as VP.  I will have to see how the primary shakes out and see how the younger folks come across.  It will be a big field, especially if Bernie and Biden are in the mix.

The whole "Pocahantes" thing won't go away though and it's weird that someone who is, at the very most, 1/64th Indian would claim her ethnicty as "Native American" (she would be laughed off the Rez if she showed up at the pow wow claiming that), but that is a minor point in the grand scheme of things.   What matters more is the candidate's position on tribal sovereignty, treaty rights, and the pressing day-to-day challenges for folks out in Indian Country.

The Cherokee Nation has come out and dismissed Warren's DNA test.

Ouch.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5425427/cherokee-nation-...

Hey, maybe the Trump regime will allow them to vote now..

Gravy isn't going to like this.

The problem with Elizabeth Warren's scenario is the same problem as a lot of scenarios lately, it's disingenuous, it insults America's collective intelligence...it's not approaching truth.

ok

It's perplexing that anybody on Warren's staff would co-sign any of this.

She would have been better off just donning a headress and hosting ceremonial drum circles at her campaign rallies.

Wasn't jambone once given an honorary Indian name?  

So...Liz Warren pretty much lost her shit tonight and went on an absolutely epic twitter meltdown that spanned several hours. 

Luckily, somebody from her staff (or perhaps a concerned family member?) intervened and the tweets have been deleted.

Rough day. 

Lol....

>>>>>>>She’s going to run in 2020 and win, bigly. 

nah

I really don't think she has any chance of winning a presidential election. Not even the democratic primary. IMO. For several reasons:I don't think the democratic party really cares much about the progressive wing. They should - it would bring in a whole ton of voters, the Bernie mob. I'm not even American, but Bernie was the first politician who ever inspired me. And even considering those politics, I wouldn't vote for Warren. I don't trust her one bit. Her intentions may be good, but I think she's slippery and slithery like a snake. The Russia thing with her is weird. This Native American thing is weird - she clearly lied to gain advantage and isn't copping to it. I'm pretty sure I'M 1/64th Native American, and I would never think to offend actual Native Americans by claiming that I'm one. 

Nope. Sorry to say it, but in '20, Trump is going to win again. I have a bad feeling that the Repubs might even keep control in the midterms. 

Ken is exactly right.  Also Cherokee is the wrong affiliation to try to cling to and get them to recognize you, really bad idea. Warren would have been better off making a contribution or visiting and simply presenting herself as a person, nothing more.

As far as 2020 goes i think the dems will come up with someone better, lets hope or we will all suffer the consequences.

The problem here started with her initial ill advised claim, then trump racially mocking her and suggesting a dna test was equally idiotic because you can't prove this with a dna test.

>>>>>Also Cherokee is the wrong affiliation to try to cling to and get them to recognize you

She never made an effort to gain tribal citizenship.  I’m not defending her just keeping it factual.

Yea i see that now, they came out and said a dna test can't prove anything, which is accurate. Especially Cherokee because their dna shows up as part middle eastern, they have a very distinct lineage.

>>>>>Yea i see that now, they came out and said a dna test can't prove anything, which is accurate. Especially Cherokee because their dna shows up as part middle eastern, they have a very distinct lineage

Fog, DNA tests can’t prove what tribe is correct but you saying Cherokees have a very distinct DNA imply a you think DNA can prove tribal affiliation.

It’s too bad Viva doesn’t have any real Native Americans to chime in on the topic.

Found a cool read on the middle eastern dna markers in Natives.  Apparently in the 1600s Iberian Jews and North Africans we’re settling in North Carolina.  Might be where that DNA came from.

It’s funny because I saw a Republican talking head saying how they were 14% North African but they’re not black.  Changes are they are also part Native American.

http://www.woowoomedia.com/dna-scientists-claim-that-cherokees-are-from-...

but you saying Cherokees have a very distinct DNA imply a you think DNA can prove tribal affiliation. >>>>

Wrong, all i said was Cherokee dna will and has shown up as part middle eastern. ,

So will many tribes.  I thought you were suggesting that was unique to Cherokees.

The study i'm referring to was done by a professor in NC, he tested a large group of Cherokees, really interesting read. The Cherokee are a rough bunch, they won't accept or even consider enrolling you if you have blonde hair.

The Onion dropped a pretty savage headline about this.

'Elizabeth Warren Disappointed After DNA Test Shows Zero Traces Of Presidential Material'

https://www.google.com/amp/s/politics.theonion.com/elizabeth-warren-disa...

lol

I love the Onion.  Warren should go back to the Res and let Kamala Harris run.

https://indo-european.eu/2018/04/latin-americans-show-widespread-mediter...

It's all good until someone takes the bait of an ass hat seriously....  

Kamala will rise. It just isn't in this next go around. 

>>>>>Kamala will rise. It just isn't in this next go around. 

My my second choice is Dave Grohl.

Dave has the pedigree needed. 

Hey Jonny Park

I think we should give Java Dave a weaponized Twitter handle and turn him loose on the autists. 

It's all good until someone takes the bait of an ass hat seriously.... >>>

bingo !

Elizabeth Warren Is Not Native American

Julian Brave NoiseCat

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bc5f8d9e4b055bc947a6e13

Jesus Christ, people. Elizabeth Warren is good for America - including Native Americans. She wanted to put this B.S. behind her and get onto the important issues facing our nation. Stop shitting on her for taking a DNA test. The GOP are attacking her more than ever because she poses the biggest threat to their majority and the Presidency. Don't fall for it. 

Yeah, the  truth is that Warren, like she stated, does have Native American ancestry. It's not much  different than the B.S. the descendants of Thomas Jefferson had to deal with before DNA tests confirmed the truth, and even then some wanted to deny the scientific proof. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/jefferson-sally-hemings-descendant...

Wait. You're drawing some kind of correlation between Thomas Jefferson's African American ancestors who were denied their genetic legacy because of slavery and racism to Liz Warren posting DNA results that make her look like a fool in response to Donald Trump trolling her on Twitter?

Lol

Come on now.

I'm saying that the DNA doesn't lie. 

And this is a really stupid reason to turn on a perfectly fine Senator and  Presidential  candidate. Look, even if she did lie - and there's now  proof that she was telling the truth - what a stupid reason for anyone to dismiss her. She has more integrity and honesty than any politician. 

i'm croatian....apparently...

I'm 3 percent African! And no, I don't get to use the "N" word. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/thousands-attend-funeral-palestin...

I agree that the DNA results don't lie, Nanc; that's why Warren looks like a fool here. I'm not going to even bother referencing the actual results, which are so flimsy and embarrassing in context they actually make a strong argument for Joe Biden being black.

Elizabeth is one of the Democrats who are working to restore aid to Palestine.

how about Yemen? Warren is  also speaking out against the genocide there. 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/opinions/end-us-complicity-in-yemen-war-o...

Marky, the context is that Warren claimed that she had Native American ancestry. She does and  never furthered her career by using her heritage to gain advantage. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2018/09/01/did-claiming-native-a...

In the most exhaustive review undertaken of Elizabeth Warren’s professional history, the Globe found clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools. At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman.

The Globe examined hundreds of documents, many of them never before available, and reached out to all 52 of the law professors who are still living and were eligible to be in that Pound Hall room at Harvard Law School. Some are Warren’s allies. Others are not. Thirty-one agreed to talk to the Globe — including the law professor who was, at the time, in charge of recruiting minority faculty. Most said they were unaware of her claims to Native American heritage and all but one of the 31 said those claims were not discussed as part of her hire. One professor told the Globe he is unsure whether her heritage came up, but is certain that, if it did, it had no bearing on his vote on Warren’s appointment.

Warren’s political enemies have long pushed a narrative that her unsubstantiated claims of Native American heritage turbocharged her legal career, enabling an unlikely rise from being a commuter college graduate to holding an endowed professorship at the top of the Ivy League. They point to her career timeline and the fact that her major professional advances — to the University of Pennsylvania and then to Harvard — came after she began formally identifying as Native American, a distant descendant of Cherokee and Delaware tribes.

She was not telling the truth. Peru, Columbia, & Mexico are not indigenous North American Indians no matter how far you want to stretch "the truth". There was no access to North American Indian DNA, period. Trump's been in her head all this time and she looks like a fool for pulling this shit 3 weeks before the election

>>>>DNA doesn't lie.

True.  Its also true that the test showed that she, at most, is only 1/64 indigenous.   However, she officially listed her ethnicity as "Native American" when she taught law school.   Sorry, but that was not a true statement and the DNA test proved it.   Don't know what she was thinking in proudly waiving the test results around like it somehow vindicated her.   

I personally like Warren and think she would be a great president, but doubling down on such a blatant falsehood and throwing yourself under the bus like this is not a great way to kick off your campaign.  Everyone knows that Trump lies about pretty much everything, but other politicians can't get away with it like he does and I am afraid this whole Pocahontas​ thing is going to follow her around well into the 2020 election.

>>>>She wanted to put this B.S. behind her and get onto the important issues facing our nation.

That's Just more evidence she's out of touch with the current political climate.

please, for the love of God, can we nip this presidential aspiration in the bud right now?

nancy, you're a reasonably intelligent woman, don't fall for this trap!

The trap of supporting a qualified candidate for President? You're a reasonably enlightened person, E. Don't fall for the B.S.

And yeah, it reeks of misogyny. 

The people who turned on Howard Dean over his "outburst" are the same people ready to throw Elizabeth under the bus. you wanna talk about traps?!

Liz Warren releases unnecessary DNA results, destroying her credibility?

Misogyny.

Meanwhile, Donnie still hasn't released his taxes. yeah, double standard. 

Maybe Trump realizes his tax returns are embarrassing, so he doesn't release them?

Pro tip, Senator.

Hillman, do you still deny climate change is man made?

What's also crazy is that South Park covered this very topic in an episode last year where the white town residents begin to identify as victims after discovering that they harbored trace amounts of DNA of historically oppressed ethnic groups:

http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s21e03-holiday-special

>>>The trap of supporting a qualified candidate for President?

unfortunately qualifications and policy don't seem to b very relevant anymore.

it's ass backwards, I know, but here we r :(

YOLO

I'6 vote for Tom Hanks if runs.

she should just shut the fuck up for the next month. 

Clintons too. 

bernie three.

"Already has my 2020 vote."

that may have to be a write-in

I look once more

Just around the riverbend

Beyond the shore

Where the gulls fly free

Don't know what for

What I dream the day might send

Just around the riverbend

For me

Coming for me 

I'm fifty percent Seneca, Iroquois. Does that make me a real indian or not? Either way, I think the Cherokee nation rep is more worried about his percentage of govt money, rather than the integrity of the Cherokee nation. 

Warren answered a question. I see nothing wrong with that.

Bryan, you call Warren disingenuous and yet you support Trump. Ya know... Fuck off.

nasty

"She was not telling the truth. Peru, Columbia, & Mexico are not indigenous North American Indians no matter how far you want to stretch "the truth". There was no access to North American Indian DNA, period. Trump's been in her head all this time and she looks like a fool for pulling this shit 3 weeks before the election"

This statement is so silly that it deserves some dissection, just for fun.

1) Indigenous indians is redundant

2) Mexican indians ARE North American Indians. I know most 'Americans' don't like to admit that Mexicans are North Americans, too, but a basic geography lesson clarifies that one quickly.

3) Why are we talking about Peruvian, Colombian and Mexican indigenous groups, anyways?

3) There are pretty detailed records of Native American DNA, including North American Indians.

4) However, she does look like a fool, I'll grant that.

Floops, I would say that yes, 50% Seneca/Iroquois blood DOES give you the right to call yourself Native American. As important to declaring Native American heritage is whether or not you were raised and grew up as a member of an indigenous community. Warren's native DNA is so miniscule as to be ignorable (1/64th AT MOST) and she was not raised Native American. Yet, she declared that she was at one point. Now, that was a dumb mistake, but to come back and validate with some stupid DNA test is just a testament to how lost she really is in this political match. I'm not saying she isn't qualified, just that she doesn't know what's going on in the game today. 

she should just shut the fuck up for the next month. 

Clintons too. 

bernie three.>>>>>

Pelosi four.

2) Mexican indians ARE North American Indians. I know most 'Americans' don't like to admit that Mexicans are North Americans, too, but a basic geography lesson clarifies that one quickly.>>>>>

Jav, good point.

3) There are pretty detailed records of Native American DNA, including North American Indians.>>>

Not enough. It will improve over the years as more get tested.

It's over for Warren. Even her usually reliable supporters in the media who led with 'Warren Proves Native Ancestory' headlines on Monday have now turned on her. 

This will go down as one of the greatest self-owns in modern American political history. Unbelievable. 

Jeez, I was looking forward to a Warren/Franken ticket.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/16/did-elizabeth-she-who-lie...

Bryen, I'm actually surprised conservatives aren't now supporting Warren.

There's pretty good evidence she is, in fact, the whitest person in America.

Kidding aside...who is going to take their best shot at 2020?  I just don't see any viable candidate emerging...seriously, Biden loses, Warren is over before she began, Hillary is a Greek tragedy, Kerry?  Spartacus?  Pick a card, any card, I don't see it.

Julian Castro?

I'm thinking maybe the intersectionality--minded progressives stage a full on Bolshevik-style revolution in the DNC and elect a talking dog with an eating disorder in the primaries.

Who is more oppressed than a bulimic talking dog? Nobody. 

Ho ho. 

That's ridiculous, St. Mark! You're probably one of those alt-right guys I've heard about in the news; even if you've got 22 years of environmental activism on your resume, and worked for David Axelrod on the Obama campaign in 2008! Nazi! Racist! Sexist! Booooo!

Well gee willikers. Its almost like the cult of Identity Politics has now sacraficed yet another prominent Democratic senator at the alter. I wonder who's next?

You know what's really crazy, tho? Radical vegans protesting the New York Women's Foundation because Dr. Mary Bassett apparently supports Yom Kippur; which, if you don't know, results in the brutal slaughter of chickens(!)

https://pagesix.com/2018/10/16/radicals-protesting-chicken-ritual-descen...

You can't make this shit up, folks.

The candidate should be Jerry Brown. He's the only dem, IMO, that could pull it off. Bernie's too old, Hillary's Hillary, Biden's business as usual, and Warren is shady and weird. Brown has all the creds. Throw in Kamala as a VP candidate and it's a lock.

But it won't happen. And sadly, Trump will win...

Brown would be 82 during the 2020 campaign.

I don't even know what that means, but Thom, you're such a simple mind that it's not even worth pointing out how wrong you are.

we Democrats wil have it out in our 2020 primaries it called democracy try it sometime

He's actually not wrong here, Jav. 

The Left is being self-cannibalized by identity politics. All our opponents have to do right now is sit back and laugh, which they most certainly are.

I think the left is doing everything wrong possible at this moment. But history shows lots of periods where the left had presidents, legislators and others in power who have shaped important policies and overseen periods of prosperity and growth for the country. Everything goes in cycles. The right is on top now but they're digging their own grave by separating themselves so much from a centrist view. It's working for now, but wait 4, 6 years and see how it pans out. I think it's just a natural tendency of humans...maybe.

>>>>The Left is being self-cannibalized by identity politics.

There is some truth to that.  I was talking with a friend the other day who is a lefty vegan animal rights activist and she was saying how someone she knew was all in a huff because people had made assumptions about "preferred pronouns" when engaging in a conversation.  If the lefties are getting bent out of shape with each other over something like that, how are they going to connect and win back all those blue collar types in the Rust Belt states who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 but stayed home or voted for Trump in 2016?   

Valid points, for sure.

I think liberal centrists really need to start manuvering to reign in  the radical Leftists who are currently dominating the discourse (at least on social media & the news). 

Screeching authoritarianism isn't a good look for the party; especially from a national perspective with the White House on the line. 

Um NO to Jerry Brown. Jesus.

Gabbard, Turner, would be a million times better.

the middle ground is so far right these days.

why do conservatives get so upset?

#winning

#hellinabucket

Hi, Jav (and All). I never took her to mean that she lived on a rez, nor that she wanted to, nor that she was using her heritage for status. I know that sharing the pie is very important to the politics of status. I live it. So do many others. Phone, less nuance.

Also, yes, of course you're correct about the America nomenclature; call it shorthand - sorry. Respect.

Jav if you'd read the articles you'd know why Colombia, Peru & Mexico were mentioned. Warren claimed Cherokee & Delaware heritage but what showed up in the dna was the aforementioned countries genetics & extremely low levels at that. No Cherokee dna to compare to according to the expert that did the analysis. Read it.

And i don't do political correctness very well because it's bullshit, so yeah they're just Indians then

Running mere politicians isn't going to cut it... the only way to trump the cult of celebrity that is Trump is for the dems to run celebs of their own:

Oprah/Hanks

Fey/Baldwin

Mayer/DeGeneres

Clooney/JLow

There's been a lot of cited articles, Hillman, and I opened one or two of them and breezed through them. Which article specifically are you referring to?

funny, bernie still has the best shot at taking down trump. add kamala for that corporate slice.

The 2020 presidential election is still more than 800 days away, but a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll shows President Donald Trump with paltry levels of support when matched up with nearly a dozen would-be Democratic opponents.

Against the two best-known candidates — former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) — Trump trails 12 percentage points and is mired in the low 30s. Biden leads Trump, 43 percent to 31 percent, and Sanders’ lead over the president is virtually the same, 44 percent to 32 percent.

Trump also trails Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) — the first-term senator he has mocked as “Pocahontas,” which Warren calls a racial slur — but by a smaller margin, 34 percent to 30 percent. A plurality of voters, 36 percent, are undecided.

Oprah/Hanks

Fey/Baldwin

Mayer/DeGeneres

Clooney/JLow

>>

Dwayne Johnson/ Whoopi

Tony Alva / Kelly Slater

After 2016, polls are worthless IMHO.   However, to the extent they have any predictive value, has anyone run a poll asking about a possible Tom Hanks v. Donald Trump lineup?   Seriously. If anything the last couple of years has shown, one does not have to be a career politician to be elected president. 

I think liberal centrists really need to start manuvering to reign in  the radical Leftists who are currently dominating the discourse (at least on social media & the news).<<<

Not sure this will be productive either.   As much as I'd give anything to see Obama back in office vs. Trump, and also realize he was getting stonewalled by the GOP at every turn, I was definitely not a fan of the way in which he didn't more forcefully advocate / push forward a more progressive platform.   I don't believe I'm alone.

However, to the extent they have any predictive value, has anyone run a poll asking about a possible Tom Hanks v. Donald Trump lineup?<<<

I was talking about this with a friend recently and unfortunately the situation has devolved to this sort of "popularity showdown".  There's got to be a better way, even if Tom Hanks is someone who I could support in so far as believing he'd do the "right thing".

Oprah could take Trump in a heartbeat. 

I doubt that.

I'd like Alec Baldwin to run, and if elected, do his impersonation of Dump for the next 4 years. Only without all the shitty wall and bad policy. 

If they held a debate,  that would prolly confuse and split his base.

I'd like to see him play Blake and tell Tom Perez to put that coffee down. 

see this watch?

alec baldwin seems like a dick.

Oprah jumped the shark a long time ago.

>>>As much as I'd give anything to see Obama back in office vs. Trump, and also realize he was getting stonewalled by the GOP at every turn, I was definitely not a fan of the way in which he didn't more forcefully advocate / push forward a more progressive platform.   I don't believe I'm alone.

You're definitely not alone. 

And just to be clear, I think Bernie's version of what is really Liberal Populism has legs in a national election, so I'm not declaring the entire progressive agenda DOA. 

What I do believe pretty strongly is that Identity Politics, equality of outcome initiatives, and political correctness are fatal ideological positions in a national election. 

One thing that should be obvious is that we are about to witness a battle between corporate centrist Dems like Biden & Pelosi and the emergent ideologically-driven social justice wing of the Party. Round 1 should begin right after the midterms. 

which wing will get more $$?

...thought so.

ZERO will change in this country until the notion that $$ = free speech, and corporations = people is turned on its head. there is nothing that will happen until these 2 things are addressed....

Spot on, Turtle.

I was definitely not a fan of the way in which he didn't more forcefully advocate / push forward a more progressive platform>>>>

He did advocate, not fair to fault him for compromising in the end. The problem is too many elected GOP officials, don't expect it to change unless that changes.

Mark Cuban

you'd vote for mark cuban?

I get the feeling Fog would vote for Guy Fieri.

Lady Gaga/Tony Bennet

Cuban has been mentioned and would be good as far as celebrities go, he may have some baggege though.

Fieri, dude you need to brush up on your material, you can do better.

Fieri joke was funny because it's true.

Fieri would be an improvement over trump, no more mcdonalds in the whitehouse.

>I get the feeling Fog would vote for Guy Fieri

If it were between Guy and Trump???  Guy would be my choice.   It's not all that funny and I'd hope it would be true.

I don't think Rob is joking with the Warren meme....   

So I was hanging with a friend this weekend who is Cherokee and from Oklahoma and asked him his opinion about the whole Pocahantes thing.  He explained that being Cherokee has very little to do with blood line and instead all goes back to whether one's ancestors signed off on the Dawes Act registries back in 1887 and recieved an allotment of land.   He mentioned how the current tribal president was white and probably had as much Indian blood as Warren (I fact checked that and he is actually 1/32 or at least twice as Indian as Warren).  My friend said that many Cherokee have gone out of their way to become white and wasn't surprised by Warren's story, especially considering she grew up in Oklahoma.   Well, for what its worth, that was one Cherokee's take on it and he quickly changed the subject to a scathing attack on the Osage tribe, who apparently have some bad blood with the Cherokee.

Osage tribe, who apparently have some bad blood with the Cherokee.<<

Should we sell them both a S-load of arms?

'Merca, 'n all.